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Insurgent Attacks Follow Mathematical Pattern

Hugh Pickens writes "Nature reports that data collected on the timing of attacks and number of casualties from more than 54,000 events across nine insurgent wars, including those fought in Iraq between 2003 and 2008 and in Sierra Leone between 1994 and 2003, suggest that insurgencies have a common underlying pattern that may allow the timing of attacks and the number of casualties to be predicted. By plotting the distribution of the frequency and size of events, the team found that insurgent wars follow an approximate power law, in which the frequency of attacks decreases with increasing attack size to the power of 2.5. This means that for any insurgent war, an attack with 10 casualties is 316 times more likely to occur than one with 100 casualties (316 is 10 to the power of 2.5). 'We found that the way in which humans do insurgent wars — that is, the number of casualties and the timing of events — is universal,' says team leader Neil Johnson, a physicist at the University of Miami in Florida. 'This changes the way we think insurgency works.' To explain what was driving this common pattern, the researchers created a mathematical model which assumes that insurgent groups form and fragment when they sense danger, and strike in well-timed bursts to maximize their media exposure. Johnson is now working to predict how the insurgency in Afghanistan might respond to the influx of foreign troops recently announced by US President Barack Obama. 'We do observe a complicated pattern that has to do with the way humans do violence in some collective way,' adds Johnson."

181 comments

  1. Uhuh by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I saw this on "Numb3rs!"

    1. Re:Uhuh by 2.7182 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Warning - a lot of things look like they follow a power law. You need a lot of data to be sure.

    2. Re:Uhuh by Chysn · · Score: 3, Informative

      a lot of things look like they follow a power law. You need a lot of data to be sure.

      Sadly,there's been an assload of data.

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    3. Re:Uhuh by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, but barring nukes and WMDs, it should be expected that it's harder for a group to kill 100 people in one incident, than it is for them to kill 10 people.

      So I'm not sure how useful this pattern is.

      My dinner spending patterns might follow a mathematical pattern too. I spend 10 bucks on dinner a lot more often than I spend 100 bucks. Whoopee.

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    4. Re:Uhuh by 2stein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Warning - a lot of things look like they follow a power law.

      Exactly. And in case it doesn't fit into a power law, you can probably make it fit into a Gaussian distribution.

    5. Re:Uhuh by phoenixwade · · Score: 5, Funny

      Warning - a lot of things look like they follow a power law.

      Exactly. And in case it doesn't fit into a power law, you can probably make it fit into a Gaussian distribution.

      at which point it all becomes a blur

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    6. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of things DO follow a power law.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution

    7. Re:Uhuh by 600Burger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Luckily our government is dedicated to collecting the valuable data, in vast quantities.

    8. Re:Uhuh by Sfing_ter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      lando ~ # apt-cache search assload
      libclassworlds-java - framework for container developers requiring manipulation of ClassLoaders
      libclassworlds-java-doc - Documentation for the Classworlds Java library
      libjboss-classloader-java - JBoss Classloader

      just sayin'...

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    9. Re:Uhuh by jo42 · · Score: 1

      The math in 'Numb3rs' is the IT version of "A GUI interface in VB to track an IP address" in CSI:NY...

    10. Re:Uhuh by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Warning - a lot of things look like they follow a power law.

      There is a whole cottage industry of trying to fit power laws to data and being amazed whenever it fits. I guess I don't understand this one though; it sounds like they're just saying small attacks are more numerous than large attacks, which would seem obvious. What am I missing?

    11. Re:Uhuh by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not even sure that a major premise of their pattern is correct. From the submission: the researchers created a mathematical model which assumes that insurgent groups form and fragment when they sense danger, and strike in well-timed bursts to maximize their media exposure.

      One could probably form a strong argument (perhaps even with a valid mathematical basis) that suggests that so-called "insurgent" actions have worn out their welcome, and news of them floats in a featureless sea of similar actions. It doesn't help the "insurgents'" cause that they have little record for being nice to their own people, so they can only garner support from the most polarised of those they choose to leave alive.

    12. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, the only way to be sure is to nuke from orbit!

    13. Re:Uhuh by 2.7182 · · Score: 1

      And a lot of things are Gaussian. And a lot of things are Tracy-Widom....etc. Guess what? They all drop off to zero! Amazing. I wonder if there is a reason for that.

    14. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      numbERZ 4L5O pH19UrEd OuT h4XoR T4Lk.

    15. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed. You don't get insurgents without an occupying power*.

      * For the semantic pedants: While technically insurgents could resist a domestic government, it's been the case in the 20th century and since that insurgent warfare is a response to invading forces.

    16. Re:Uhuh by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Normally, you can.

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    17. Re:Uhuh by habig · · Score: 2, Informative
      Warning - a lot of things look like they follow a power law. You need a lot of data to be sure.

      More interestingly, many things which are at their heart completely random follow power laws.

      For example, the arrival time distributions of cosmic rays, or the energy distribution of those particles one might observe. (ok, so I'm a cosmic ray physicist, so that's the topic I think a lot about). Thus, you can't use this information to predict anything about any one cosmic ray (or insurgent attack). What you can do is use the data to try and understand something about whatever's behind your ensemble of data, e.g. the sources accelerating the cosmic rays or organizing the insurgents.

    18. Re:Uhuh by elnyka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. You don't get insurgents without an occupying power*.

      * For the semantic pedants: While technically insurgents could resist a domestic government, it's been the case in the 20th century and since that insurgent warfare is a response to invading forces.

      Uh, really, explain to me which were the invading forces that triggered a response from the following which are perhaps best known and most representatives of 20th insurgency: - UNITA insurgency during the Angolan Civil war) (Angola)

      - Tamil Tigers (Sri Lanka)

      - Lord's Resistance Army (Uganda)

      - AFDL (Congo)

      - FSLN/MILPAS/Contras (Nicaragua) - FMLF (El Salvador) - Shining Path (Peru) - Tupac Amaru (Peru) - EZLN (Mexico) - CPN-M (Nepal)

      - India's Naxalite insurgents

      - People's Mujahedin of Iran

    19. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I thought the IT version *was* "A GUI interface in VB to track an IP address"

    20. Re:Uhuh by do_kev · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. Somebody should tell these professional mathematical analysts this, because they probably aren't aware and are just wasting their time.

    21. Re:Uhuh by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Heck, even a gaussian distribution looks like power law if you look at a small enough piece. I.e. drop enough terms on the taylor series.

      Reminds me of the "Chemist's Rule." There's always some number of points that fits the graph paper you happen to have.

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    22. Re:Uhuh by meson2439 · · Score: 1

      It sure is meaningless if you cannot understand the mathematics behind it. What the study reveals are the structure of the attacks. It surely isn't random, but still not well organized at all. That means, instead of one leader planning the attacks, it was a result of several independent group doing independent attacks. The size of each independent group are discovered to depend on the actions taken by the US occupying forces.It reveals that with a strategically placed action by US military, the insurgents can be eliminated. They also discovered alpha = 2.5 as the stable value. So all the military needs to do is to force the value alpha either to go up or down.

      Yes, your spending also follow a mathematical pattern, so give up on the comics books and games and instead study some non-linear physics for a change.

    23. Re:Uhuh by 2.7182 · · Score: 1

      Like any other branch of scientists, there are people who are 1. not so good, and/or 2. looking to get some publicity. These people may or may not believe their results, but statistics is notorious for being used to justify nonsense. See the book "How to lie with statistics", which has become practically a meme among mathematicians. There's also the famous quote "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"; see

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

    24. Re:Uhuh by AniVisual · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the beauty of approximation is that as long as you don't extrapolate (which is highly unlikely to be necessary here), as long as it looks good enough like a power law, it follows a power law as far as you are concerned.

      Also, for the English Grammar as Mathematical Notation impaired, what the relation states is this: n = p^{-2.5} where n is the number of casualties. I was confused as to why 2.5 was positive.

    25. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. It's always helpful to have someone obviously intelligent explain these things, ending the pontification from the less enlightened and erudite...we hope.

    26. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the Abu Sayyaf (Philippines)

    27. Re:Uhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, and it goes like this.

      Send 30,000+ troops to a foreign land and scare the hell out of un-armed men, women, and children.
      Foreigners get pissed and fight back.
      Now the natives of that land are called "Terrorist" for defending their own homes.

      Here's an idea, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW! Stop sending american's to the middle east.
      If someone tried to come into your home with guns pointed at you, what would you call them. TERRORISTS.
      Would you be scared? Of course.

      That's what our troops are to these people.
      Look in the mirror America. We are the terrorists.

  2. There was a TED talk on this by sp332 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sean Gourley shows that if the exponent is larger or smaller than 2.5, the war becomes unsustainable and ends fairly quickly. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sean_gourley_on_the_mathematics_of_war.html

    1. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Kagura · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The vast majority of casualties are from insurgents targeting other civilians, not from insurgents targeting multi-national forces. It hasn't been a war since June of 2003... just an extended police action versus a religious or nationalist insurgencies.

    2. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't RTFA, but how can an exponent be larger or smaller than 2.5 at the same time??

    3. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because "or" and "and" are two different concepts, logic boy.

    4. Re:There was a TED talk on this by tomhath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Excellent point. But it make me question his definition of an insurgency.

      Apparently, an insurgency that's crushed quickly doesn't count as an insurgency. And an insurgency that grows into a civil war doesn't count as an insurgency.

      Only if the counter-insurgency is somewhat effective in reducing but not eliminating the number of attacks does he include it in his data set. In conclusion (and most remarkably) the data in his data set show a strong correlation across "insurgencies".

    5. Re:There was a TED talk on this by sp332 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As usual, there is a difference between the law and reality. It may not officially be a war, but it is definitely a war. :)

    6. Re:There was a TED talk on this by icebraining · · Score: 1

      No, a war is a reciprocated armed conflict between two or more factions; these are just massacres.

    7. Re:There was a TED talk on this by foobsr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In conclusion (and most remarkably) the data in his data set show a strong correlation across "insurgencies".

      Which may lead to the conclusion that the 'law' that he found describes his inclusion concept (friendly version).
      or
      He fine-tuned his inclusion algorithm to the point that he could publish a valid 'law' and thus be eligible for DHS funding (reality insurges).

      CC.

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    8. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So World War Two didn't start when Germany took over Poland with almost no resistance? Good to know.

    9. Re:There was a TED talk on this by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Go easy on him. He's related to Schrodinger.

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    10. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the 'or' is inclusive, the question is still valid.

    11. Re:There was a TED talk on this by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that; I *KNEW* this sounded familiar and had seen it, or something like it, once before.

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    12. Re:There was a TED talk on this by psycho12345 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually no it didn't, world war 2 started with the declarations of war by the British, the British Commonwealth, and France in response to the invasion of Poland by Germany. Remember that Germany had effectively already taken over Czechoslovakia and Austria with no resistance and it wasn't consider war at that point.

    13. Re:There was a TED talk on this by mangu · · Score: 1

      Sean Gourley shows that if the exponent is larger or smaller than 2.5, the war becomes unsustainable and ends fairly quickly.

      Nothing new under the sun. What he's saying it's that you shouldn't waste your efforts either in doing too many attacks that kill a few people each, or in doing a few attacks to kill a huge bunch of people each.

    14. Re:There was a TED talk on this by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      It is not a WAR. War can only be declared by congress so it must be avoided officially because it is not legal. Politically, it is a war and not a war whenever the need arises to be either - and the public falls for it.

      Which leads to the next point: insurgents have good reason to be unhappy with the people who stand bye and do nothing which empowers their enemy. The military/police can also be unkind to those who help insurgents or do nothing - not that one can equate them, after all the people pay to support the government side of the dispute (without choice) and does not fund the other side without breaking the law.

      As the world approaches a singular rule (at least as far as the corporate interests) we shall see less war and possibly the elimination of war itself. It will become insurgents, rebels, and terrorists vs the establishment which will be larger than ever before.

      In addition, armed conflicts will go down just as they did in the uncivilized old west USA, where the hired guns were replaced by lawyers (still fittingly referred to as hired guns.) Similar dynamics but different process of dispute resolution (and some argue no more fair either.) Economic politics will continue to displace war while also watering the roots of insurgency.

      There is a track of thought, not surprisingly aligned with marketplace faith healing where people legitimately believe a 1-world government or more ideally, a more powerful economic regulatory organization eliminates the motives for war. The things these arguments like to ignore is that war is not caused merely for economic reasons (although that often is the case) and that these other motivates can fuel non-war conflicts every bit as troublesome (if not more so) than conventional war.

      Get used to "terrorism" it is not going away and will become more common in part because of derogatory nature of that label.

    15. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Daimanta · · Score: 1

      Well, there is no fixed start date of World War II only fixed dates of the smaller wars inside the total conflict. It's true that France and the UK declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland but by the media of the time it was referred to as a ghost war or a phony war(the french called it a joke of a war). Ofcourse that all changed when Germany initiated "Fall Gelb" and attacked the Benelux in order to properly invade France.

      The war activity went full force from that moment on. When the US bombed pearl harbour you could say that the glocal fighting activity had reached its peak. Most of WWII was over when Germany declared an (forced) unconditional surrender. The conflict then was between Japan and the US, the UK(India and other colonies), the Netherlands(Indonesia) and later on Russia(which made a deal to attack Japan 3 months after the surrender of Germany). War ended 3 days after the invasion by Russia I believe when Japan surrendered after the atomic bomb on Nagasaki.

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    16. Re:There was a TED talk on this by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      Or you can nuke everyone and that will end fairly quickly as well...

      Just pointing out an alternative option :)

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    17. Re:There was a TED talk on this by bjorniac · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unless there's a REALLY GOOD conspiracy theory out there that I don't know about, I think you mean "...the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor..."

    18. Re:There was a TED talk on this by lul_wat · · Score: 0

      US Army in a foreign country .. yep sounds like a war / invasion and quite reciprocal to me.

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    19. Re:There was a TED talk on this by treeves · · Score: 1

      Well, from the American perspective WWII clearly started on December 7th, 1941. I imagine other involved countries have their own, different but clear start dates.

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    20. Re:There was a TED talk on this by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I dunno, John Belushi said it was the Germans...

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    21. Re:There was a TED talk on this by Dhalmo · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more with your assessment. The trajectory is clear to some but not most. The labeling of terrorism to describe any insurgency, revolutionary, or otherwise anti-establishment party is simply a technique of winning to one's side the favor of the masses (who BTW are very "afraid" of terrorists). This tactic will only last so long as it becomes clear to many that the black and white portrayal of human conflict is often times a spectrum of ugly shades of grey, and that the consolidation of power in one area only causes the decentralization of it elsewhere. Eventually asymmetric warfare will be the norm, as the 21st centry progresses. The trap is in given the false choice of having to choose a side, as if using your own moral and rational judgement is insufficient, and the health and safety of the world is dependent on joining the "good" guys. This is an attempt to blanket our good conscience in support of hegemony. Thank you for your refreshing post.

  3. I must be missing something by belthize · · Score: 5, Insightful

        I don't see what it is they think they've discovered. If you take a loose collection of 5000 people with a weak desire to cooperate you're going to get way more groupings of 10 than 100 than 1000. The desire for safety in numbers is offset by the risk of exposure by size. In fact I'd have drawn almost exactly their curve if somebody had asked what the distribution would look like.

        If the likelihood of an event is a coupled with critical mass of groupings then the event distribution will follow pretty much the same curve.

        If somebody understands what it is these folks found could you explain it.

    1. Re:I must be missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they predict what anonymous is going to do next?

    2. Re:I must be missing something by forand · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe the post right above yours brings the point home: the specific exponential power law followed appears to be unstable. That is if the frequency of attacks differs in a specific conflict the conflict ends shortly. The poster above nicely provided a link to a TED talk
      Also being able to draw a straight line on a log log plot is all well and good but if you get the slope off by even a small amount you will soon be orders of magnitude off in your predictions. Thus while you might expect a power-law distribution from simple arguments getting the specific value is much more difficult.

    3. Re:I must be missing something by bkeahl · · Score: 0

      No, you're not missing anything. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading the article. It was an interesting article though. Yeah, it's a lot easier to get 10 people together to do something than 100. Therefore, you'll have more activity with 10 participants than 100 participants. I read the article thinking they were going to be able to accurately predict probabilities by day - which would be really useful.

    4. Re:I must be missing something by Livius · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's something important in the details, but power laws always turn up in statistically independent events.

    5. Re:I must be missing something by belthize · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmm, well shame on me, I saw the talk existed but expected just a verbal representation of the article.

      I had missed the point about stability around alpha. I have to admit the graphs of alpha vs events like the surge or elections are pretty interesting.

      Equally interesting though is the rapid return to alpha=2.5. I guess the real question at this point would be: Can repeated examinations of alpha be used to measure the positive effect of a strategy or is it merely a measure of the temporary perturbation and inevitable return to 2.5 because humans are after all humans and 2.5 merely represents the steady state of humans desire for coalescence vs fragmentation.

          In short it's a question of cause and effect. Would a different species have a different alpha that's just as stable because it's a reflection of their physiology and psychology.

          The research is certainly more interesting than I originally credited, thanks.

    6. Re:I must be missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Long ago a famous mathematician/scientist (Lagrange?) said that nearly any physical phenomenon can produce a straight line on a log-log scale. I can't remember who. Here it is again.

    7. Re:I must be missing something by Storchei · · Score: 1

      I don't see what it is they think they've discovered

      It's quite straightforward, man. They discover a mathematical pattern that can be used to kill more enemies(a.k.a. people)

      Now, THAT'S USEFUL! (if you can't see the irony you're blind)

      I think the instantaneous question after this report was published would be: Why in hell money is spent in such a pointless research? (pointless for people who pay the research, of course). Aren't there more important or necessary thing to spend the money?
      Anyway, more of the same..

    8. Re:I must be missing something by meson2439 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I don't think a lot of money are used at all. Power law computations are mostly cheap on resources, typical pc will do. Add in a web server, web crawler and some college kid as their assistants. Most of these stuff are already available to the researcher. The largest source of money drain on this type of research are for hiring assistants and software. Compared to the insights it produce, the money spent is well justified. I'll put at most $100k- $200k for 5 year research as initial spending (includes travelling for conferences and hotels). After all the infrastructure is available, cost may drop to mere $30k for 5 years. (p.s this estimate are fairly made redundant, most project of this nature cost much less)

  4. Insurgent mathematics . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Insurgent: "Hey, chief, there's a big column of Americans coming! Let's skank 'em!"

    Chief: "Hold on, let me get out my calculator . . . damn it! I should have paid more attention to the Linear Programming and Game Theory courses at the Madrasah! Go ahead and attack . . . then turn on CNN to see if we got any media exposure. And please bring me some more pencils and paper . . . this mathematically based insurgency strategy *really* sucks!"

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    1. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN news: Mathematically based comedy *really* sucks!

    2. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by gbarules2999 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's easy to forget what sin is in the middle of a battlefield.

    3. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by __aawkdb2598 · · Score: 1

      Well played sir :)

    4. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by ickleberry · · Score: 2, Funny

      but if you're lucky you might get a tan

    5. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by treeves · · Score: 1

      Nah, that'll never happen cos' you're always trying not to get shot.

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    6. Re:Insurgent mathematics . . . by Plunky · · Score: 1

      Well if you, you know, tried to integrate with the people instead of just dominating them with guns it might go a little better..

  5. Predicting humans by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    dont work when they know the predictions too. Even if is just to prove that they have free will.

    1. Re:Predicting humans by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

      I agree with you to a point, but if that were completely true than the disciplines of psychology and advertising would not exist.

    2. Re:Predicting humans by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      As with psycohistory, it works with big enough numbers, not with individuals. You can choose to refuse to buy something advertised because you know what is it, but take a lot of people and some will buy. Also matters to understand what is predicted, not just a "numbers can predict what i will do".

      The ones organizing those attacks are somewhat a small group of people, and if they get aware of this they could change behaviour.

    3. Re:Predicting humans by foobsr · · Score: 1

      As with psycohistory, it works with big enough numbers, not with individuals.

      Things will (and already begin to, IMHO) change once you have enough (micro-)data regarding an individual. Imagine you have a complete history of a person sampled at a small enough scale (including physiological variables). You might then use a 'single-case' approach on a rich real life dataset lending itself to statistical analysis of sorts.

      CC.

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    4. Re:Predicting humans by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

      I agree with you both, but I think you're missing my point. The disciplines of both psychology and advertising are based on the assumption that while we are all individuals and have free will, we also as a group have patterns and tendencies. Hence the Forer effect (a.k.a, Barnum statements) which are used by the folks writing horoscopes. We have free will, but we have numerous undetected forces acting to influence us.

    5. Re:Predicting humans by servognome · · Score: 1

      Creating a recursive function doesn't mean the problem isn't computable.

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    6. Re:Predicting humans by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Put it this way. I have a big fat complex math formula that say that you will reply this message. I announce here that you will, and you are aware that i said so. You will answer it? you are forced to do that or can choose knowing that "prediction" to not do it?

    7. Re:Predicting humans by foobsr · · Score: 1

      but I think you're missing my point

      No, having been a psychologist in a former life :) I just wanted to give a hint that 'psycohistory' may (and will) have a bright (or dark, YMMV) future — though with a different concept of large samples.
      Which then will further complicate the notion of 'free will'.

      CC.

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    8. Re:Predicting humans by servognome · · Score: 1

      If your big complex math formula was complete, it would be able to take into account the reaction to the output. The only way you could announce that "you will reply" is if the formula converged to that answer.
      Unless you compelety mapped my brain and had complete understanding of how information is procssed and the relationship between inputs and outpus, the model you create would be incomplete.
      To get around the lack of understanding of very complex systems, we use statistics to determine the probability of events. Just like weather, human behavior can be predicted to a level of probability, rather than absolutes.

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    9. Re:Predicting humans by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You need a lot more than detailed information about the person, you need detailed information enough to predict everything that they will interact with. The complexity of the model scales much faster than the accuracy of the predictions. You can quite easily build a model of what a person will do for the rest of his or her life that will give some vaguely accurate predictions, but refining it to the point where it can tell you what he or she will have for breakfast in a year's time requires you to measure influences from different forms of advertising and have a model of the world's economy that is sufficiently accurate to tell you the price of food commodities a year in the future. It's not enough to 'simply' build a machine that can simulate every neurone in the individual's brain faster than realtime, you also need to accurately simulate all of the input, which requires simulating everything around them. Human behaviour is chaotic. Small changes in conditions can result in large changes in a person's activity. Most of these small changes average out over sufficiently large populations, however. As a concrete example, consider the relative complexity of predicting the number of cars on a road at a given time and predicting who will be driving them. The former is easy; statistical models can give you numbers that are more than 90% accurate. The latter is incredibly hard.

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  6. It's a much simpler equation for non-guerilla wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    It's actually a much simpler equation for non-guerilla (ie. traditional) warfare.

    Take the War in Iraq, for instance. It basically boils down to:
            (Crazy Corporate-Controlled Republicans) + (Lust for Oil) + (Mercenaries) + (Hatred for Brown People) = Unprovoked Invasion and War

  7. Predictable? by TimeElf1 · · Score: 1

    Modelers claim wars are predictable

    Up to a point yes they are, but as Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke so succulently said No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy. I can only imagine that if someone tries to predict a battle they are going to be left holding their graph at the end of the battle saying what the hell just happened?

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    1. Re:Predictable? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Succulently?

      You really shouldn't use such words around married readers... ;-P

    2. Re:Predictable? by servognome · · Score: 1
      Military operations are made in terms of probability rather than absolute success or failure. No military leader with any experience thinks they can predict the outcome of a battle. They can however, create a plan to put resources in place and maximize flexibility to give their troops the best chance for success.

      I can only imagine that if someone tries to predict a battle they are going to be left holding their graph at the end of the battle saying what the hell just happened?

      At the end of any action there is a review of what the hell happened.

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  8. Location? by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

    I don't believe that they have enough data to accurately model the size and time of a future attack - but let's just say for a minute that they did. That information is still useless without a location.

    1. Re:Location? by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...useless might be an overstatement. I'm assuming they're talking about large scale trends here, not "the enemy will attack at precisely 12:07 pm on Dec 23rd". If so, it would indeed help with planning a troop surge. In fact, I wonder if you could even break the pattern by knowing the cycle? If you knew that in 6 months there was going to be a surge, and you brought in boatloads of troops, might it discourage the enemy?

    2. Re:Location? by darthflo · · Score: 1

      Troop surges concern several ten thousand people, so it's almost impossible to keep them under wraps until they actually happen. The word will get out and around early enough for the insurgents to do what they do: adapt.
      If they intend to hit everyday targets, possibly focusing on civilians or military installations, moving the attack to an earlier date would help their chances. Their insights on the current security forces around will stay the same, so they can get by with minimal changes in planning. If they are going for the maximum number of military casualties, they might move the attack to hit the new troops on arrival or very shortly thereafter, taking advantage of their lack of experience. Lastly, if the target is a VIP or the attack is scheduled to coincide with some event (summit, election, holiday); they'll be forced to change strategies. The C4 intended to blow up a visiting general can just as well be used to level a hotel.

      Insurgents adapt. It's the only thing that keeps them alive fighting armies with hundreds of times the manpower they have.

  9. MMPI Comparison by smitty777 · · Score: 1

    This is a really interesting article. Although the point out the weaknesses of the theories behind the attacks, it is interesting that there is a pattern at all. Perhaps one way to look at this might be the same way we determined the validity of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI). Basically, the researchers looked for patterns within certain target groups (e.g., depressed, schizophrenic, bipolar) and detected answer patterns. In the same way, detecting the patterns of attack without attempting to determine the causality might still provide the best predictive power.

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    1. Re:MMPI Comparison by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

      Nice! Another thought: maybe this model could be extended to different levels of conflict? Maybe the patterns for guerrilla warfare are different than the larger "subsidized" events?

  10. Hmm by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to see if there is any real "predictive" value behind this hypothesis. There's only one way to find out, and that's waiting to see if FUTURE (not past) data correlates with the model. Then there's the whole argument about the model itself changing the way insurgents are dealt with (since I assume the security forces aren't going to sit around and wait for people to die if the model predicts a "high" probability) and thus changing the expected results. And what about people being identified as "terrorists" on circumstantial evidence strictly because of the "higher probability" of an imminent attack?

    We may never know if this model is true. As a day trader, however, I can shake my head at people who exclaim they have a new theory to predict the future based on the past. Yeah, er, good luck with that. There's something called "insufficient data". Just wait.

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    1. Re:Hmm by phiwum · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see if there is any real "predictive" value behind this hypothesis. There's only one way to find out, and that's waiting to see if FUTURE (not past) data correlates with the model.

      Yes, that will be interesting.

      And what about people being identified as "terrorists" on circumstantial evidence strictly because of the "higher probability" of an imminent attack?

      The researchers didn't suggest that their model can or should be used to identify terrorists. You seem to be sliding down a slippery slope.

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  11. Past Data by Sanat · · Score: 1

    I know that if I continuously flip a coin that it will come up "heads" about one half of the time.

    But, that does not mean I know whether the next flip will be "heads" or "tails".

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    1. Re:Past Data by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      Your case assumes true randomness. We're dealing with a large group of humans, and humans have tendencies. This is more like predicting what the caller will say based on data like previous flips...

      Of course, my example is still overly simplified, but closer to the intent and idea of the article... I think.

    2. Re:Past Data by Sanat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, you are correct. Thanks for the additional input.

      My position was though was that the randomness instead of being 50-50 like the coin flip might instead be 60-40 or even 70-30 but still a large unknown exists to predict with any sense of integrity of accuracy.

      Perhaps if it collapsed nearer to 100% such as 95-5 or 98-2 then I could see a usefulness for predicating a potential.

      It does remind me of the old adage "Figures lie and liers figure"

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  12. Just Biology by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The result is cool, and important in the details, but is not that interesting in terms of breaking new ground. As a biologist, having measured countless number of behavioral parameters that all follow power laws, it is not surprising that yet another biological behavior, waging a particlar kind of war in this case, follows a power law. That part is ho-hum.

    Similarly it would only surprise me if things like, oh, the size of undergraduate populations at different universities, the number of cars in each country, the number of stray dogs in each city, the average brain mass for each species, or the number of bullets used in any given firefight, do NOT follow a power law. It's just biology. That's the way things work.

    And, to keep things in perspective, I'm just a biologist. It could be that all natural phenomena follow that sort of pattern, like the mass of celestial objects, the surface areas of land masses, the percent cloud cover at each point on Earth, etc. The basic idea of power laws -- lots of small versions of a thing, only a few big ones, and a smooth distribution between -- seems inherently universal to my small brain.

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    1. Re:Just Biology by pgn674 · · Score: 1

      And, to keep things in perspective, I'm just a biologist. It could be that all natural phenomena follow that sort of pattern, like the mass of celestial objects, the surface areas of land masses, the percent cloud cover at each point on Earth, etc. The basic idea of power laws -- lots of small versions of a thing, only a few big ones, and a smooth distribution between -- seems inherently universal to my small brain.

      Yeah, it is observed in non-biological systems, too. Interesting to note that power laws help explain why Benford's law exists.

    2. Re:Just Biology by johntkucz · · Score: 1

      Insightful.

    3. Re:Just Biology by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The basic idea of power laws -- lots of small versions of a thing, only a few big ones, and a smooth distribution between -- seems inherently universal to my small brain.

      The reason the basic idea sounds familiar to not just you but everybody here is that it is the characterizing property of fractals. I wouldn't go so far as to relate this idea to biology per se, however. It commonly occurs in physics as well.

      Intuitively, fractals (and therefore power laws) ought to arise whenever a finite resource is split among a large number of independent processes, which are all identical and have no limit on resource consumption. So if you look at your examples, there's a resource limit. But if you look at other examples, such as the wealth of individuals within a country, then there is a power law because there's (approximately) no limit to how much an individual can accumulate, but the total amount of money in the economy is still a finite resource.

    4. Re:Just Biology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems inherently universal to my small brain

      Screwed over by a power law, eh?

  13. Caveat in re: power laws in empirical data by Internalist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cosma Shalizi rants a lot about scientists' (often physicists') claims about having found a power law description of some empirical phenomenon (upshot: finding a straight line on a log-log plot isn't enough). See the following:

    http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/491.html
    http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/notebooks/power-laws.html

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  14. The WERE following a pattern by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Publishing this just upset the pattern. Knowledge should not be released to the public as they can use it for bad purposes!! They are just supporting the terrorists, warning them of their mistakes.

    ( just being sarcastic here.. people are stupid, they will ALWAYS follow patterns, and information should always be free )

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  15. Human Solidarity by psnyder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the way in which humans do insurgent wars — that is, the number of casualties and the timing of events — is universal

    Did anyone else find it ironic that human solidarity was found in acts against human solidarity?

  16. A more interesting pattern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder what mathematical laws are in play that results in the reported number of insurgents killed during any attack by coalition forces weirdly hovering around 30. Google "30 Taliban killed", or "30 insurgents killed", or "30 militants killed" and you see a lot results going all the way back when the wars were started. See this blog entry http://securitycrank.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/winning-the-war-30-taliban-at-a-time/ for more discussion.

    1. Re:A more interesting pattern by jocabergs · · Score: 1

      More than likely the laws of economics, do you want to send a 600k munition at one hostile with an AK in the desert or 30; it could well be the threshold for a munition strike is for a platoon size force i.e around 25-50 hostiles. Either that or they don't want to risk firing into a civilian area unless there is actionable intelligence which indicates a large group of hostiles can be taken out with one strike. I just made this up by the way so I have no idea if knowing if its correct, but it seems logical.

    2. Re:A more interesting pattern by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ehhhh... I don't think so.

      A series of searches of "x insurgents killed" yields:

      2= 14,700
      3= 30,700
      4= 164,000
      5= 20,000 results
      10= 160,000
      15= 64,000
      20= 306,000
      25= 41,000
      30= 58,400
      31= 10
      32= 75,400
      33= 4,460
      34= 26,400
      35= 36,000
      40= 57,000
      41= 484
      42= 28,400
      43= 9
      44= 1
      45= 9,180

      I think it would be difficult to draw any conclusions about how many insurgents are killed at once. How do you decide when an incident starts and ends? Operations can last days. How close do they have to be to each other when they die? I can almost guarantee that we are taking out insurgents one by one or two by two for the most part. They don't run around in packs of 30, they sneak at night in pairs.

      That's just my experience, though. Keep your fun little "23" theory.

      -b

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    3. Re:A more interesting pattern by sznupi · · Score: 1

      If true, it might have something to do with the max size of close social group that humans form; it falls somewhere in "up to 30" range.

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    4. Re:A more interesting pattern by fbjon · · Score: 1
      I don't really see the pattern. Does 30 somehow stand out more than other numbers, such as 20, 25, or 40 etc? Not that I can see. Also, googling for "x people killed" is completely misleading, as it only says in how many articles/blogs that phrase appears, which depends on whether some of those incidents were more or less interesting to the media than others.

      That blog entry links to this article: Timeline Pakistan 2009. Looking through those, I see no pattern at all. In fact, I'd argue that there is a stronger pattern for eight, but still pretty insignificant.

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  17. Hari Seldon. by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:Hari Seldon. by SockPuppet_9_5 · · Score: 1

      When did Seldon predict Iran gets the bomb? I don't think I want to know how high the power levels end up going...

    2. Re:Hari Seldon. by Grygus · · Score: 1

      He predicted someone would post that.

    3. Re:Hari Seldon. by TimSSG · · Score: 1

      Remember the Second Foundation was destroyed; it no longer exists. Tim S.

    4. Re:Hari Seldon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now that they've told us the Plan we can go ahead and change everything.

      Observations will differ now that measurements have been taken.

  18. Really? by cherokee158 · · Score: 1

    So, the bloody results of combat can be quantified using a few formulas and tables?

      I think a few wargame designers at Avalon Hill are shaking their heads and rolling their eyes right now.

  19. Listing of recent "Islamic Terror Attacks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found this link recently that is purportedly a detailed listing of all the "Islamic Terror Attacks" for the last two months.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

    The site is a strong concentration on only the violent aspect of Islam. It's pretty horrific.

  20. Asimov was right! by PakProtector · · Score: 1

    Everyone tag this "psychohistory" or "seldonplan."

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    1. Re:Asimov was right! by Quebec · · Score: 1

      Your comment is the most pertinent of all here, it's sad it didn't get noticed.

      A Seldonist.

    2. Re:Asimov was right! by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Well, it only works if people don't know about it, right?

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  21. _Everything_ follows an approximate power law. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Consider, for example, the quality and snarkiness of comments on Slashdot.

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  22. Just One Question by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

    So, if we know when they're going to attack, wouldn't we not want them to know that we know? I mean, won't publicizing this just make the insurgents change their pattern? ...military intelligence.

  23. Hello Captain Obvious! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0, Troll

    The total amount of attack will/power stays the same, no matter what size the individual attacks are? No shit? I could have told you that too.
    Together with other amazing facts, like that the amount of coffee in a can stays the same, no matter of the size and number of cups you fill with it. ;)

    I can even predict, that they do not actually stay the same, but in the biggest picture of e.g. one war, go in a curve, first rising strongly, then falling off slowly, only to be re-risen by big events (similar to the scandals / media coverage relationship).

    Do I get the Nobel Prize now? ;)

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    1. Re:Hello Captain Obvious! by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > The total amount of attack will/power stays the same, no matter what size
      > the individual attacks are? No shit? I could have told you that too.

      But you did not. I am constantly amazed that every time some sort of insightful discovery is
      made there is a chorus of voices saying " I could have told you that". Wake me when someone
      actually does "tell me that" before someone else publishes it.

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    2. Re:Hello Captain Obvious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meh. I could have told you that.

  24. Not surprising at all. by tjstork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's see. It takes more energy, time, and complexity, to move into place the resources needed for a bigger attack. So, its not really surprising at all that bigger attacks occur less frequently or even obey a power law.

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    1. Re:Not surprising at all. by cpghost · · Score: 1

      It's not surprising that the occur less frequently, but that the exponent is the same across different wars and cultures did come as a surprise.

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    2. Re:Not surprising at all. by tjstork · · Score: 1

      It's not surprising that the occur less frequently, but that the exponent is the same across different wars and cultures did come as a surprise.

      Not really. It's very likely the researchers threw out things and emphasized others to get the story that there was an exponential commonality to wars.

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  25. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, try registering? ACs have to wait between posts for obvious reasons...

  26. Johnson? by dandart · · Score: 0

    The same Neil Johnson who did the 200th anniversary time-based Christmas Lectures?

  27. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, try registering? ACs have to wait between posts for obvious reasons...

    I registered once. I made one post. My opinion happened to differ from someone with mod points. I was thus banned BY ANOTHER USER (not an admin) from posting for 24 hours! (it was a simple technical opinion, nothing political, religious or spammy) I was horrifically shocked by that.

    No thanks. Registering results in less free discussion. Remaining AC, at least I can post something. 9 minutes is better than 24 hours, I guess. The censorship here is depressing in its insidiousness. Then the hypocrisy over censorship almost makes it laughable.

    Thanks for reading my lowly AC post and taking an interest though.

  28. The 2.5 Exponent by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The value of the exponent is interesting. If one assumes that the smallest attacks happen roughly once a day then the attacks that are an order of magnitude larger happen about once a year. This implies that there may be some sort of calendar event that triggers these larger events. If these events can be identified then it may help avoid some of the large attacks. It would be interesting to check this by looking at the timing of the largest attacks in the data set that was used for this study.

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    1. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by wjh31 · · Score: 1

      There is a huge difference between an event happening about once a year, and happening once at the same time every year. A 1 year event wont have exactly one year between each even. Instead there will be on average a year between each event. It would not be unreasonable to see 2 years or a few months between a pair of 1 year events.

      While it may be true that some events are linked to events in a calendar, i believe you are interpereting what is actually said incorrectly.

    2. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is certainly true, but it would be interesting to see if there is some sort of periodicity, particularly considering that there are many different annual events and cycles that could affect insurgencies and the way that they plan and carry out attacks. The 2.5 exponent may be completely unrelated to the year, but it is interesting that it does roughly correspond to an order of magnitude larger attack on roughly annual timescales.

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    3. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by wjh31 · · Score: 1

      remember that there is nothing special about the number 10. If you didnt have any thumbs and were looking for a factor of 8 rather than ten, might you not be seeing this pattern? I believe that you are seeing patern where there is coincidence. Dont feel bad, that is a very human thing to do.

      I am in no way trying to write off the suggestion that annual celebrations might have an effect on event severity/frequency. This is a very valid suggestion, but perhaps a little outside of what this research is tackling.

    4. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by mrsquid0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, we would see the same timescale regardless of the base that was used. The only difference would be the value of the exponent. The value of the exponent itself is not the key, it is the timescale that the exponent (in combination with the base) implies. The timescale may very well be a coincidence, but if it does merit some consideration to see if there is any evidence to suggest that the timescale is real. Fortunately, there are many tests that can be made to see if there is any evidence for some sort of periodicity or pseudo-periodicity. OF course, this whole idea falls apart if the timescale for the smallest attacks is significantly different from one day, which is another test of the hypothesis.

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    5. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These may be useful to you:

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/insurgency/etc/graph.html

      http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/iraq_by_the_numbers.php

      I can't speak of afghanistan, but in iraq the insurgent attacks were higher and more effective:

      -when the ground was dry (moving around in iraq during the rainy season is a nightmare)
      -lots of blowing dust in the air, drastically reducing visibility
      -around dusk
      -toward the end of ramadan

      That's just a taste of all the factors that you'd have to account for to get an accurate map of insurgent behavior. Even then, I think it'd be pretty useless, since they are not a regular army and do not usually coordinate among cells. Maybe they want to attack, but the shipment from libya isn't here yet, so they wait for that but now the americans are getting suspicious so they launch all 20 of their libyan mortars at once and high-tail it out of there. Seems like a major, coordinated attack when in reality things are very different.

      Guaranteed to make your brain hurt.

      -b

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    6. Re:The 2.5 Exponent by asterix_2k1 · · Score: 1

      2012. Yes sir! That's when the really big attack is gonna be.

  29. Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that Bin-Laden is really a fractal?

  30. Need to see big picture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hmmm...useless might be an overstatement."

    This is why western countries are having difficulty battling fanatics. If you think that there are a few trouble makers that need to be dealt with, you won't win. If you realize that 1 billion people in the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia unconsciously push a constant amount of marginalized people to commit war crimes, then you can start to win.

  31. The Art of War by cenc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yea, who would have thought that war follows a predictable (even mathematical) pattern.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

    1. Re:The Art of War by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Stating that there is a pattern in something, and mathematically describing it in accurate detail are two very different things.

    2. Re:The Art of War by cenc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yea, the guys with this study likly failed at both. I am not sure I would want to be the guy in the field getting shot at when it turns out they got one of the variables wrong (which from the article seems like they got more than a few wrong like this B.S. about the media).

      My point was more aimed at the people that thought this was somehow a special discovery. The Art of War contains many specific (if not basic) formulas, mostly in regards to economics, about the nature of troop strengths, cost fielding troops, distance, and so on and done over 2,000 years ago.

      Military fighting forces have been crunching numbers for a long time about everything.

  32. Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where would one go about finding the data they used in their models? I assume they went to the trouble of making it public since they themselves critized governments for not putting their data in the public.

  33. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...actually I think it was Karma points... whatever, regardless, random users should not be able to ban other users from posting. At least not on their first day of membership and on their very first post. That is an extremely user hostile environment. I mean holy fuck man!

    It is total abdication of responsibility for content. That is what it is. Note how there is no appointed moderators here. That would imply responsibility for content. It is all about the cowardice of the administration of slashdot.

    Oh fuck, here we go again... 20 minutes so far this time... makes it really hard to have a coherent discussion, don't you think?

    Slow Down Cowboy!

    Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

    It's been 20 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment

    Yup, running a site on perl must suck that bad... it has nothing to do with spam filtering and everything to do with promoting mod_perl. Fuckin pointless.

    I'm going to begin the process of submitting this post thousands of times of the next few minutes. Perhaps they'll get the idea fdrom the logs that it just might be more efficient to allow the post?

    So the last count is 20 minutes, but I've seen it go as high as 29 before.

    Here go, watch your logs there slashdot boys and tell me which is more efficient?

    Submitted 100+ times now... I guess what they're saving in perl cpu rapage they are losing in bandwidth, that does not make sense, bendwidth is much more expensive than processing power.

    Up to 25 minutes and over 400 submissions.. wow, that's efficient code there, yup.

  34. So apply this to 911 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like we have only another 250 years until it happens again.

    Ahhhh, panic. Everybody buy your duct tape.

    This is going to make that 200 year was look short.

  35. I wonder what the exponent would be... by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...if we brought them all home?

    1. Re:I wonder what the exponent would be... by Rayonic · · Score: 1

      ...if we brought them all home?

      If we brought all of the insurgents home? I don't know if that's feasible. I mean, are they even housebroken?

      Oh... you meant if we bring all our soldiers home. Well, since the insurgents generally attack the local government and civilians, I don't think their behavior would change very much.

  36. Another significant pattern by aoeu · · Score: 1

    is one that my brother noticed vis a vis the earliest days of the insurgency in Iraq. If there is a lethal attack every day, it is organized.

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  37. STOP Illegal Bush/Cheney Wars for OIL NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, wait. . .

  38. Re:Psychohistory begins. by mangu · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going to begin the process of submitting this post thousands of times of the next few minutes. Perhaps they'll get the idea fdrom the logs that it just might be more efficient to allow the post?
    So the last count is 20 minutes, but I've seen it go as high as 29 before.
    Here go, watch your logs there slashdot boys and tell me which is more efficient?
    Submitted 100+ times now... I guess what they're saving in perl cpu rapage they are losing in bandwidth, that does not make sense, bendwidth is much more expensive than processing power.
    Up to 25 minutes and over 400 submissions.. wow, that's efficient code there, yup.

    You're doing it wrong. There's no use in doing thousands of submissions if you don't follow the correct power law. An attack with ten submissions should be 316 times more likely to occur than an attack with 100 submissions.

  39. Every collective human endeavor does this by mbone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Power laws are ubiquitous in human affairs - almost everything we do as a group involves power laws. This works for the size of cities and the sale of books and traffic to web sites, so I am not surprised it also happens in insurgent attacks.

    Whether that will actually result in the effectiveness of Army tactics is another question, and, frankly, I am dubious. The sale of hit records follows a power law, but knowing that doesn't make me into a better musician.

    1. Re:Every collective human endeavor does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it could help with prediction. The other day I was thinking "hmm.. it's been awhile since there's been any large bombings in Baghdad". About a week later ~350 people(iirc) died from car bombs in a day. If you can expect one incident like that every 12-18 months and there hasn't been one for 18-20 months, maybe you're overdue and you should heighten security beforehand. Or gradually ramp up security after one of these incidents so that instead of being at your most unprepared, you're at your most prepared state around when you expect another attack.

  40. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, well look at that, modded down for a good post. So I happen to state my frustration with the slashdot censorship system too. Oops, guess we mustn't let the truth of that out!

    *insert "this message was submitted several thousand times and delayed by x minutes" statement here* ...actually, a new record... just past 56 minutes and must well over 3000 submissions...

    The really should randomise the position of the submit button to make this harder.

  41. They may have a limited supply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They may have a limited supply (income) of explosives, correlating timing and size of blasts.

  42. Re:Calculate this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and their reward: http://bit.ly/5gL0ll

  43. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if you stopped whining and posted something relevant to the discussion at hand, people would stop modding you down.

  44. One more study to by AnAdventurer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just what we need, another mathematical model show people are numbers and the dead and wounded (wounded; not like a broken finger, but like arm GONE) are only statistics.

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  45. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's one of the penalties of posting as AC. Register, you dimwit.

  46. How does this help? by Primitive+Pete · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think a lot of comments above miss a more important point, that knowing the attacks follow a power law distribution (for argument's sake) still doesn't help predict individual events. Really, unless you're placing bets on terrorism (google for "futures market terrorism Poindexter") this won't help you much.

  47. This Island Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone read "This Island Earth"?

  48. Are you sure the pattern was Mathematical ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may very well have been a non-mathematical pattern ... (?)

  49. Re:Psychohistory begins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's one of the penalties of posting as AC. Register, you dimwit.

    Rigghtt.... you think I'm stupid? I register, you ban the account... haha real funny, not gonna fall for it.

    My original post was bang on topic, but delayed and then ignored, then lifted, you think that is a good thing? I find it fucking offensive, and quite worthy of a good bitch, so fuck you.

    Here let me bend over further so you can shove it in deeper. Sometimes it is amazing how stupid smart people can be.

  50. That's not it, there is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What they are saying is that regardless of culture, location, enviroment decade, reasons behind the conflict, etc., the relation between large and small attacks appears to be a constant.

    That wasn't obvious at all.

    1. Re:That's not it, there is more by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What they are saying is that regardless of culture, location, enviroment decade, reasons behind the conflict, etc., the relation between large and small attacks appears to be a constant.

      I wonder if said constant relationship is the implicit criteria that we use to label the conflict an "insurgency" in the first place.

    2. Re:That's not it, there is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How difficult is it to strap a vest to a guy and have him blow himself up? How about a car bomb? How about a plane hijacking? (~10-100 people dead, 300-500 people dead, 2-3k dead, etc.). It seems like a pretty common sense conclusion to me. As you plan larger operations, they become more difficult, and therefore happen less frequently. And if your organization is new/unorganized/fragmented by its nature, then the difficulty scales at a different rate than the size of the operation.

    3. Re:That's not it, there is more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Non-obvious" is in the eyes of the statistician.

  51. Correlation by electrosoccertux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Solid post. This comment

    Can repeated examinations of alpha be used to measure the positive effect of a strategy or is it merely a measure of the temporary perturbation and inevitable return to 2.5 because humans are after all humans and 2.5 merely represents the steady state of humans desire for coalescence vs fragmentation.

    is about the best "correlation vs. causation" post I've seen lately.
    Correlation vs. Causation has turned into an overused meme IMO-- not around here, just digg and reddit.

    1. Re:Correlation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Correlation vs. Causation has turned into an overused meme IMO-- not around here

      Are you kidding? Every story that mentions climate change is always tagged "correlation!=causation".

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  52. Interesting... by tengeta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sir you are under arrest for a crime you would be committing in an hour. Our equation said so.

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  53. Patterns... by Erinnys+Tisiphone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Restate my assumptions: One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature. Evidence: The cycling of disease epidemics;the wax and wane of caribou populations; sun spot cycles; the rise and fall of the Nile. So, what about the stock market? The universe of numbers that represents the global economy. Millions of hands at work, billions of minds. A vast network, screaming with life. An organism. A natural organism. My hypothesis: Within the stock market, there is a pattern as well... Right in front of me... hiding behind the numbers. Always has been."

  54. http://xpda.com/bs.jpg by edibobb · · Score: 1

    You can fit a curve to one set of data. It does not follow that all other data sets will be similar. There are huge differences in the environments here -- enough to put a BS stamp on this article.

  55. Foundation by dov_0 · · Score: 1

    Asimov eat your heart out.

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  56. Media exposure is variable by mangu · · Score: 1

    news of them floats in a featureless sea of similar actions

    Media channels have a fixed capacity. There's exactly this much first page in printed papers, only so many minutes of prime time news.

    News reports don't depend linearly on atrocities committed, they are a mix where whatever is considered newsworthy is given a portion of the available space.

  57. Mind boggles by hwyhobo · · Score: 1

    Mind boggles reading garbage like this offered as at the end of the sentence as if it was a fact.

    Do you consider over 80,000 killed within a span of a few weeks (15,000 Germans, over 65,000 Poles) as "almost no resistance"? How about the fact Germany lost nearly 700 tanks and over 500 aircraft in the same short amount of time? That is "almost no resistance"? Where did you learn history?

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  58. there's an opportunity here by alizard · · Score: 1

    for the insurgents. As soon as this analysis becomes part of DOD operational planning, they can choose to attack in ways that don't match the pattern.

  59. Download copy of article from Authors website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You can get a copy of the pre-publication Nature paper "Common Ecology Quantifies Human Insurgency" as well as the more detailed supplementary info pdf at

    http://www.mathematicsofwar.com

    there is also a list on the site of other important papers for background reading about the research. A good resource to understand the topic. Also of interest is the website from co-author Sean Gourley at

    http://wwww.seangourley.com

  60. This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the terrorists read this and also have the TSA manual, we're doomed.

  61. not Re:A more interesting pattern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey OM:

    It's not the insurgent's deaths, it's the casualties, which more often than anything, are not insurgents.

    So the WTC has the odds of something like 17 million to 1 of happening over the deaths of 10 people, and only 19 insurgents died in all the attacks that occurred on 911.

    I keep paying tribute, or taxes as most people call it, so I don't become a casualty.

  62. The Fields Medal point of view by alphan1L0 · · Score: 1

    I am not a mathematician, I tried to check what is a power law. But I have found that : "Vladimir Arnold gave the catastrophes the ADE classification, due to a deep connection with simple Lie groups." It still seems meaningless to me.