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The Speculative Pre-History of the iPhone

harrymcc writes "The blogosphere is abuzz with rumors about 'iSlate,' Apple's supposed upcoming tablet. It's constructive to look back at coverage of the first iPhone in the months before it was announced. A high percentage of what was reported turned out to be hooey — as I remembered as I reviewed stories that said the iPhone would have a click wheel, a slide-out keyboard, and two batteries, and would run on an Apple-branded wireless network. I'm guessing that much of what we 'know' about iSlate is similarly off-base."

195 comments

  1. Wait for it... by Khris · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only way to know for sure *IF* Apple will ever release a Tablet device is to wait for it. All of the rumours and "opinions" really get annoying after awhile because they all contradict one another.

    1. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      When it comes out, I'm sure most people will be camping out at Apple stores for it, and it will become the next fad, the must have at the coffee shops instead of the Twilight series books or staring at the Macbook.

      Save your beer money, because if you don't have this, you will be a social outcast.

    2. Re:Wait for it... by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Save your beer money, because if you don't have this, you will be a social outcast.

      I'd rather be a social outcast than someone so desperate for the approval of others that they'll buy a gadget just for the status it bestows.

    3. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess you don't wear abercrombie or walk around in your Birkenstock shoes... NERD!!!!!!
      OMG, next I'll hear you dont drive a 5 series BMW...... All the debbies at the mall will faint!

    4. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    5. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is exactly why you are a social outcast.

    6. Re:Wait for it... by kklein · · Score: 1

      Save your beer money, because if you don't have this, you will be a social outcast.

      I'd rather be a social outcast than someone so desperate for the approval of others that they'll buy a gadget just for the status it bestows.

      See, I can never figure this sentiment out. Since I moved to the Mac about 2 years ago, I haven't noticed any particular rise in my social status. When I get my laptop out, it's not like girls sidle up to me and start cooing in my ear or anything. I just open it and start working/playing (instead of waiting for it to wake up, like with every other laptop I've had).

      I think that someone opening a laptop running Linux has more of an "oooh" factor than a Mac. When students of mine who are running Linux open their computers in the classroom, people go, "Hey, what's that?" and gather around. But like half of the class is using Macs. It's just a computer.

      I mean, thanks for thinking I'm higher status because I spent exactly the same amount of money as I would have buying the ThinkPad I was looking at at the time, but really, it's just a computer. I use it to do stuff.

    7. Re:Wait for it... by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's an "if" at this stage. This is the interesting effect of Apple's secrecy combined with the public's excitement about the brand: there's no need for market research, as the market will tell you what it wants through all the rumours that it generates (mostly through fake 'sources'). I honestly think the tablet started out as little other than a sort of 'ricochet' of rumours bouncing from one excited site to the next.

      It's at a point now where even if they didn't have a tablet lined up, they'll need to create one sharpish. But I'm sure they heard the thirsty rumours for the past few years and have been beavering away getting something ready so as not to disappoint.

      They're a sort of wish-granting genie company. (Well, unless your wish is for customisable mid-high end consumer computers of course)

    8. Re:Wait for it... by awyeah · · Score: 1

      Your social status doesn't actually change when you buy and show off your Apple product.

      What happens, instead, is Apple does a very good job of making people believe they are more "tuned in" or "hip" or whatever. Not everyone, of course. They attract lots of different kinds of people, but there is a certain type that you see everywhere. I think you could call them the "fanboys" or whatever. To me, they're a bunch of self-aggrandizing pricks who must have so little else going on that a portion of their identity is tied to the kind of computer they use.

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    9. Re:Wait for it... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      The kind of people who care about brand name clothes are ultimately shallow IMO.

      There's a difference between getting something for the brand name and getting something for the particular signature style of the brandname.

      For instance, Gucci purses have a distinct style. Do you like how it looks (and let me translate to woman, "Does it work with one of your outfits, gurrrrfrien?") and can you afford the luxury? Get it. But if you're getting it because it's a Gucci, that's shallow IMO.

    10. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. That's a great reason for not joining the herd and "sidegrading" to Win7.

    11. Re:Wait for it... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between getting something for the brand name and getting something for the particular signature style of the brandname.

      No, no there isn't.

    12. Re:Wait for it... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      When I get my laptop out, it's not like girls sidle up to me and start cooing in my ear or anything.

      I had this happen once, but she was...well, unattractive.

    13. Re:Wait for it... by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      So let me see if I have this straight: If I don't an iSlate I will be cast out from the society of people who spend all their time reading Twilight books in coffee shops?

      Are there any drawbacks?

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    14. Re:Wait for it... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Yes there is.

      Choosing a Gucci bag because it's a Gucci bag is shameless commercialism; a status symbol. Broadcasting your wealth. Some people even go as far as spending money they don't have so they can get expensive shit like this.

      Choosing a Gucci bag because you like the way it looks (irrespective of the brand name) is based on aesthetics.

      Picking out clothes, accessories, etc. based on their appearance rather than their brand name is significantly less shallow in my book.

  2. Oh... by XPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Five minutes passed, it's time for another Apple story.

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    1. Re:Oh... by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Five minutes passed, it's time for another Apple story.

      OK, if you insist.

      Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and the snake talked Eve into eating the apple. Then she talked Adam into taking a bite.

      When they were done eating they had sex.

      God comes by and says "Adam, why are you hiding?"

      Adam says "I'm naked!"

      God says "You and Eve ate that apple, didn't you?"

      "Uh, well... yeah" says Adam.

      God sighs and says "Ok, where's that damned slut now?"

      "She's down at the stream washing up."

      God says "Damn! I'll never get the smell out of those fish!"

    2. Re:Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If that was an Apple story shouldn't the sex have been Anal Sex?

    3. Re:Oh... by XPeter · · Score: 1

      There should be Slashdot education.

      Why do I need to take sex-ed where I can read insightful posts like the one above, and look at goatse?

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    4. Re:Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tag for all future Apple rumors: iDon'tCare

      At least it is for me, and I even own a MacBook!

  3. Speculation on speculation? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember when Jobs unveiled the first iPhone in Jan. 2007. For laughs, he showed a modified iPod with a rotary dial instead of the click wheel before he showed the iPhone. Really if it's one thing that we've learned from Apple is that nothing is true about their upcoming products until Apple announces it.

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    1. Re:Speculation on speculation? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I remember when Jobs unveiled the first iPhone in Jan. 2007. For laughs, he showed a modified iPod with a rotary dial instead of the click wheel before he showed the iPhone. Really if it's one thing that we've learned from Apple is that nothing is true about their upcoming products until Apple announces it.

      ICBW but IIRC the first iPod had a rotary dial. Perhaps he was saying "Look how far we've come"?

    2. Re:Speculation on speculation? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Looking at those mockups reminded me just how good the iphone looked at the time. Instant classic design. It sounds like the punchline to a bad Apple joke but it really did take Apple to design a phone with as few buttons on it as the iPhone.

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    3. Re:Speculation on speculation? by LordVader717 · · Score: 1
  4. How does Apple use rumors? by astrashe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much do we know about the ways in which Apple uses rumors to gin up interest in new products?

    It seems likely to me that they leak stuff to keep us all talking, but I don't have any proof of that. It also seems likely to me that if they're going to be leaking stuff, they might not always leak accurate information.

    There was a story awhile back that quoted Yoko Ono as saying that the Beatles were coming to iTunes. Does anyone ever bother to dig into those stories to see what happened? Did Yoko actually say that? Was there a deal that fell apart? Did the reporter just make it up? If so, why? Was Apple trying to get us talking?

    Despite all of my suspicions about leaks and promotion, I'm really excited about the tablet. It will be really interesting to see what they do with the interface.

    1. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      While the tablet will be cool it is running iphoneOS which meansno flash. While not having flash is good for the small screened iPhone nothaving it on a larger device just wontgo over well.

      How do I know it is running iphoneos? Apple putout a developers call to make sure iPhone apps wereusing resolution independant API and widgets. Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

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    2. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      My MacBook can run iPhone apps. I guess it must be running a version of OS X that's identical to the iPhone version too, eh?

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    3. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      I think there is a 'space' key on the iphone keyboard somewhere...... Oh wait!

    4. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by alen · · Score: 1

      of course it's "leaks" by marketing. my favorite was all the idiots falling for the Pre hype like the unboxing videos of supposedly "stolen" Pre's where nothing about the OS or use was demonstrated. all the idiots thought it was really rogue employees doing it instead of the marketing drones. if they were real unboxing videos people would have used the phone and not just taken it out of the box

    5. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by monomania · · Score: 1

      All the developer-call you cite might mean, is that existing iPhone apps have to run on it with resolution independence. It doesn't mean that other apps developed specifically for the device could not implement Flash, or that Flash for iPhone OS isn't in the works, or that (regardless of Flash for iPhone) there is not a "Flash for i[Slate | Pad | Whatever] in the pipeline, or that a new class of hybrid apps for both iPhone and this new device might not be possible in the near future. My only hope for the device, myself, is that whatever the screen size or aspect ratio, it supports 720p resolution, if not higher.

    6. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How much do we know about the ways in which Apple uses rumors to gin up interest in new products?

      I thought it was pretty clear -- it's a cheap way to gauge interest and reactions to a product before it's release. People weren't excited about two batteries in the iPhone... whoosh, it doesn't get that. People get excited about wifi blamo, it makes it into the final product. It saves millions in market research, focus groups, etc. Oh yeah, and everybody talking about a product, getting all excited, even though they haven't the foggiest what it'll be -- that's free word of mouth press. That's the kind of publicity that Google has paid tens of millions for with Droid -- and people still only shrug at it.

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    7. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For non-dpi-flexible apps and to keep sharp pixels for pixel-based apps (such as bitmap games), Apple would have been wise to use a multiples-of-480x320 display. So the "iSlate" could very well be only 960x640.

    8. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Wister285 · · Score: 1

      Sure, they use it generate interest. I certainly hope they do. But what if they did something else instead?

      What if the rumor-mongered to generate ideas?

      Apple seems to do it all the time now too. Maybe it's just looking for a conspiracy when there isn't one, but think about it. What a great business model:

      1. Think about something that people are dissatisfied with and is lagging technologically.
      2. Use your reputation and clout to monger a rumor about an "upcoming" product.
      3. Cherry pick ideas generating by hundreds of people.
      4. Develop and polish product.
      5. Profit!

      Seems pretty simple to me. You off-load all of your speculative R&D efforts onto the public. That is probably the most cost-intensive portion of any company that relies on innovation. Brilliant!

    9. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      While the tablet will be cool it is running iphoneOS which meansno flash.

      First, youmay want to make sureyour spacebar is working.

      It's very likely that this is not true -- my understanding is that there wasn't an ARM port of Flash for OS X, or something like that. But I don't really know. Still, keep in mind -- the iPhone OS is just a modified OS X.

      How do I know it is running iphoneos? Apple putout a developers call to make sure iPhone apps wereusing resolution independant API and widgets.

      Yes, because that's obviously conclusive evidence... Think about that for a second:

      Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

      Do you really think the iPhone will only ever be 320x240, especially when most Android implementations seem to be higher resolution?

      But let's say it's all true. Honestly, I'm glad there's no Flash -- that means web app developers will be forced to use actual open standard web technologies -- or pre-standards, if you insist on calling HTML5 that. No, the bigger disappointment would be the continuation of the stupidity that is the locked-down App Store, and the Apple-knows-best motto of actively attempting to prevent users from installing any software that hasn't been blessed by Apple.

      Seriously, if they intend to extend that onto this tablet device, I'm guessing it's a step towards moving on the desktop. Right now, OS X allows free, open development, but that also means Apple doesn't get to veto competition, and they don't get a commission on every single OS X app.

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    10. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Apple certainly has some kind of control. There are always lots of Apple product announcement rumours, including ones for real future products years in advance, but the rumours don't grow to fever pitch until there's ACTUALLY a product announcement in the near future. And those rumours are always basically on target, with the speculation limited to details.

      It was obvious before the iPhone came out that Apple was going to announce a phone of some kind. Naturally the speculators didn't get the design right (otherwise Apple could just hire them instead of actual designers and engineers) but the phone part was dead on.

      At the end of January Apple will release something, almost certainly some kind of touch interface tablet/slate/big iphone type device. As for the details? Everything we've heard is almost certainly substantially inaccurate.

    11. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if they intend to extend that onto this tablet device, I'm guessing it's a step towards moving on the desktop. Right now, OS X allows free, open development, but that also means Apple doesn't get to veto competition, and they don't get a commission on every single OS X app.

      Other than Mr. Ballmer up there whining about the free publicity, I think a lot of people are wondering where this thing will shake out (if of course it exists in the first place). I would really like the OS X version. The target demographic maybe not so much.

      I would imagine you could do both, after all you can root the iPhone to get more or less standard OS X. If they just left that as a user controlled option (well, a 'legal' user controlled option) along with some security to make sure that clutzoide Luser couldn't drop it into root by mistake, then we could all be happy.

      Maybe it will come with a pony...

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    12. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by CoderDevo · · Score: 1

      Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

      Yes that would be a bad assumption since the iPhone screensize has always been 320x480.

      It doesn't take tablet to change that either. I expect future iPhone displays to increase the resolution even if the physical phone does not get bigger. Competitor phones are already at 360x640 and 480x854.

      A smaller pixel size can be a competitive selling feature by providing a better user experience, especially as these devices are increasingly used for viewing detailed images such as maps or even rendering realistic 3D.

    13. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      along with some security to make sure that clutzoide Luser couldn't drop it into root by mistake,

      Doesn't OS X already have this in the form of sudo?

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    14. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why unboxing videos are for retards only. Come on, I dont care you opened some new toy and held it to the camera. Plug it in turn it on show me the UI or you are just a poser wannabe tool.

      That is 99.997% of all unboxing vids on the net. Loser tools doing nothing helpful to anyone.

    15. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having flash on a big number of devices is a good thing. Then we might finally get rid of the crap and get good HTML 5 support all around

    16. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much do we know about the ways in which Apple uses rumors to gin up interest in new products?

      I would be far more interested if it was sold with gin.

    17. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Seems like a pretty unreliable way to gauge interest to me. Apple knows that people often don't know what they want. They have a bunch of smart people working there. Between their own observation skills about things already in the marketplace and proper market research, I doubt Apple leaks these things to gauge their interest. Yes, the buzz generated by leaking stuff, on the other hand...

    18. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care what Apple does with it's tablet.

      Because whatever innovation they create will get ideas flowing in other companies so that we can get other cheaper / better devices.

      I admit Apple innovates alot.

      I also think they are too high priced for what they provide.

      But because of Apple, we also end up with more interesting stuff from others.

    19. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by arminw · · Score: 1

      .... not having flash...

      will be increasingly irrelevant. There are more standard ways, such as HTML 5, that have no problem with video on the iPhone. As more devices become popular that don't have flash, webmasters will make sure that these devices can properly display video of their webpage. Whenever a proprietary technologies are replaced by equally good open standards, we all win.

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    20. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....Right now, OS X allows free, open development,...

      But that doesn't mean that Apple could not extend the iTunes app store as an OPTION to their Macs and any possible upcoming tablet. If they did that, Apple users would have a guaranteed virus free source of paid and free programs from the Internet. They could extend the normal MacOS X operating system to work with all 100,000+ apps in their store. Users that wanted to take the chance to install dodgy software in their Macs would still be able to do so.

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    21. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I expect future iPhone displays to increase the resolution even if the physical phone does not get bigger."

      Normally iphone users are quick to point out the ongoing fragmentation on the Android platform when different screen sizes are considered.

    22. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      of course it's "leaks" by marketing.

      And your evidence for this is... what, exactly? I've followed Apple for a long time, and they don't deliberately leak things. They either release information publicly, or they say nothing at all. "Rogue" leaks are heavily punished.

      my favorite was all the idiots falling for the Pre hype like the unboxing videos of supposedly "stolen" Pre's where nothing about the OS or use was demonstrated. all the idiots thought it was really rogue employees doing it instead of the marketing drones.

      The Pre is a Palm product, so I don't see what that has to do with Apple. Just because one company might do certain things, doesn't mean that all companies operate in the same way.

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    23. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      that doesn't mean that Apple could not extend the iTunes app store as an OPTION to their Macs and any possible upcoming tablet. If they did that, Apple users would have a guaranteed virus free source of paid and free programs from the Internet.

      Great! Just like Linux repositories have been for the past decade or so.

      Except, of course, incredibly more limiting. I can add third-party repositories, and I can create my own repository. You can't do either of these for iTunes or the App Store.

      Users that wanted to take the chance to install dodgy software in their Macs would still be able to do so.

      And you wanted to know what I dislike about Apple?

      I should always have that choice -- but no one does on the iPhone. Software is not necessarily "dodgy" simply because it hasn't been blessed by Apple.

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    24. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      You rapidly approach the point where increasing pixel density on a small screen size becomes pointless, when many users can't make out the finer detail without a magnifying lens.

      Just try reading text that's set to font-size of 9px, on a page that's formatted for a 1024 pixel-wide screen (and no mobile-browser version), scaled so the width fits the iPhone screen. It's barely 1 mm tall! Most people can't comfortably read text that small even on a 600 dpi printout.

    25. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does leak the important stuff, like the Intel transition for example. (Which was reported widely weeks before the actual announcement.)

    26. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Unoti · · Score: 1

      Exactly right. I bought an Android phone. When I want to install something on my phone, the phone asks me if it's ok to install it, rather than the other way around.

    27. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or 1280x960.

    28. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Apple does leak the important stuff, like the Intel transition for example. (Which was reported widely weeks before the actual announcement.)

      What evidence do you have that it was a deliberate leak? Being reported beforehand does not prove it was intentionally leaked.

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    29. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...but no one does on the iPhone...
      which is absolutely great, because the iPhone is not intended for Slashdot geeks who like to tinker, but for ordinary folks who just want a reliable device. By dodgy software I mean the kind of stuff that has plagued and still does plague millions of Windows users, such as viruses, worms, Trojans and the like. Apple has pretty much guaranteed that such garbage will not affect iPhone users. Power users like you who don't like that restriction are not forced to buy an iPhone. Meanwhile, sales figures indicate that everybody else is pretty much satisfied with Apple's products.

      (...Except, of course, incredibly more limiting...)
      That's why I said the iTunes app store should be OPTIONAL for regular Mac users and the possible upcoming whatchamacallit from Apple. That way it can be ironclad for certain, that an ordinary computer user will never get their computer infected as long as they download only software from Apple. Apple should widely advertise this feature.

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    30. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      the iPhone is not intended for Slashdot geeks who like to tinker, but for ordinary folks who just want a reliable device.

      "Ordinary folks" also like to have the kind of freedom I'm talking about, even if they wouldn't use it themselves.

      Would you buy a car which had the hood welded shut?

      Apple has pretty much guaranteed that such garbage will not affect iPhone users.

      Actually, no, they haven't. Specifically:

      viruses, worms, Trojans...

      Of those three, the only one this can possibly affect, by definition, is a trojan. Even here, it's not flawless -- Apple has been known to let things slip through in the past. At one time, there were a number of iPods shipping with a Windows virus on the hard drive.

      The other two are not only physically possible, but have already been demonstrated -- a worm has indeed hit the iPhone.

      Now, I have no problem with Apple providing the App Store and encouraging users to go through it -- that would indeed help avoid the problems you describe, though it wouldn't eliminate them. But to do so while also making it impossible to get an app on the iPhone except through the App Store is draconian.

      Finally, I'd suggest looking into the design of Android. Google has actually put some effort into isolating apps from one another. Despite allowing multiple apps to run simultaneously, they are separated by standard Unix permissions (decades-old technology), and aren't allowed to step on each other's stuff. So even if you download an app from elsewhere, it can do limited damage.

      Meanwhile, sales figures indicate that everybody else is pretty much satisfied with Apple's products.

      Sales figures are not an indication of satisfaction, they are an indication of marketing success. How are the return rates? How do consumers rate their own satisfaction?

      Also, the number of phones going to competitors -- particularly the simple, dumb Symbian phones -- are evidence that not everybody is satisfied with Apple's products. The number of developers who have left the iPhone as a platform, to develop for more open systems...

      That's why I said the iTunes app store should be OPTIONAL for regular Mac users and the possible upcoming whatchamacallit from Apple.

      I agree. There are still two problems with that scenario, though:

      First, it doesn't address the problem with the iPhone. If it really is so good to make the iPhone more reliable, wouldn't you want to do the same thing to a desktop? Conversely, if it really is too limiting, shouldn't you make it optional on the iPhone as well?

      Second, you didn't address the point I made about Linux repositories -- they already provide what you describe:

      That way it can be ironclad for certain, that an ordinary computer user will never get their computer infected as long as they download only software from Apple.

      Again, that's in no way ironclad. But I get exactly the same advantage from Ubuntu -- so long as I only download software from Canonical's official repositories, I'm fine.

      What you're missing is that aside from being able to download software directly, I can also add other repositories. I can use the same slick, appstore-like interface (which predates the app store) for downloading, installing, updating, uninstalling, and letting it automagically handle dependencies, but I also have the option (though it's in no way required) of adding third-party repositories.

      This is something which no one else has, by the way.

      Apple should widely advertise this feature.

      You mean the way they widely advertised the fact that Macs are just more secure, so they don't get viruses, so you don't need antivirus? Look how well that's working out.

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    31. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...First, it doesn't address the problem with the iPhone...
      Unlike a PC or Mac, the iPhone is an appliance, mainly a PHONE. It happens to do a number of things that general-purpose computers can do, but that is not the reason for its existence. If you don't need the phone with its attendant subscription expense, you can get an iPod touch. It also is not a general-purpose computer, but an iPod that likewise does things a general-purpose computer can do. If you don't like these two devices from Apple and their restrictions, you can buy some other phone, a PC or even a Mac and load them up with whatever good or bad software you can find on the Internet.

      (...You mean the way they widely advertised the fact that Macs are just more secure...)

      The Mac may not be more secure, but it is definitely much safer. So is Linux. Never, ever, has a virus or worm spread through the Mac community like fire through a barn full of hay. The Mac is like a house in a decent good neighborhood. It may not be any more secure than a PC in the slums. Because Macs are indeed quite a bit more expensive than many PCs, their owners tend to be more careful and take better care of them.

      PS. What do you intend to study when you go back to school? Is it computers or something entirely different? Your parents evidently love you a lot. Count your blessings.

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    32. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Unlike a PC or Mac, the iPhone is an appliance, mainly a PHONE.

      It's a PHONE that you pay hundreds of dollars for, instead of getting for free. You do that because, to some degree, you see it as a general-purpose device. Can you see why it's disappointing?

      Contrast this to something like the iPod. I'm a little annoyed that it doesn't support formats like flac, but all in all, I have no big problem with that -- it was never sold as an application platform. It was always meant to be a music player, and nothing more.

      If you don't need the phone with its attendant subscription expense, you can get an iPod touch. It also is not a general-purpose computer,

      Making it even more useless. An iPod Touch is $200 for an 8 gig model, and $300 for a 32 gig model. An iPod Classic is $250 for 160 gigs.

      You're not paying that extra to make it shiny, you're paying because you want it to run apps -- again, you're wanting something more or less like a general-purpose device.

      Think about it -- if people didn't want a general-purpose device of some sort, the App Store would've failed immediately.

      The Mac may not be more secure, but it is definitely much safer.

      Please explain the difference between "safety" and "security".

      Never, ever, has a virus or worm spread through the Mac community like fire through a barn full of hay.

      No, only enough to make sizable botnets. Just like Windows.

      Because Macs are indeed quite a bit more expensive than many PCs, their owners tend to be more careful and take better care of them.

      Ok, now you're a bit off the deep end. Macs are better because they're overpriced?

      I mean, I guess, if that's what floats your boat, but I don't see the point. It's a bit like the I Am Rich app -- I wish I wrote it, but I'd never buy it.

      What I'm hearing from you about the iPhone seems to largely be a rhetoric of "it's actually good that you can't do that." It sounds quite a bit like Stockholm Syndrome. You could make a convincing case that most people don't need or want more than the App Store provides (and through the official Apple channel), but I don't see how you can argue that we shouldn't even have the option.

      If that's not what you're arguing, I don't think we really have that much to disagree on about the iPhone.

      What do you intend to study when you go back to school? Is it computers or something entirely different?

      Computer science. There's a lot of gaps in my knowledge.

      Right now, I'm also scheduled for a minor in philosophy, which looks like fun. I've also been trying to work in some science -- more than what's required, anyway.

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    33. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....Please explain the difference between "safety" and "security"....

      Two identical houses, may be equally insecure. One of them is in a "nice" neighborhood and the other one in the crime-ridden section of town. The house in the nice section of town is no more secure, but it is safer than the one in the crime-ridden neighborhood. Because Mac owners in general are more affluent, they tend to keep their pricey computers out of the bad neighborhoods of the Internet. Also most criminals, by far, still target Windows. So even if it were true, and it may be, that Macs are less secure, Macs are safer because the attacks are orders of magnitude less.

      If a Mac does get infected, it is easier to clean up. For one thing it lacks a convoluted registry and the Byzantine file organization of Windows. Out-of-the-box, by default, Macs have fewer Internet facing services and its included browser, Safari, is not deeply embedded and part of the operating system. Fortunately, this is now also changing in Windows.

      (....Ok, now you're a bit off the deep end. Macs are better because they're overpriced?...)
      Of course not! By now you should know me better than that. It is simply a fact that humans tend to be more careful with expensive objects. It's not likely that someone would go hotrodding down a gravel or dirt road with a BMW, but may do so with a Chevy.

      I am happy for you that you are willing and able to further your education. Knowledge is always a good thing! May Jehovah God, the God of your ancestors in whom you don't believe (yet) richly bless you in all your endeavors in the coming year.

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    34. Re:How does Apple use rumors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Two identical houses, may be equally insecure. One of them is in a "nice" neighborhood and the other one in the crime-ridden section of town. The house in the nice section of town is no more secure...

      No, location is part of security. So is social engineering -- the security of a house is also affected by whether the person looks through the peephole, then the chain, or whether they let just anyone in.

      Because Mac owners in general are more affluent, they tend to keep their pricey computers out of the bad neighborhoods of the Internet.

      Define "bad neighborhood"?

      Everyone looks at porn. There was recently a study attempting to measure the effect of pornography on young people, especially young men -- they were unable to find a control group. That is, they were unable to find a group of young men who hadn't looked at porn.

      If by "bad neighborhood", you instead mean downloading random crap, I'd say that problem is worse on the Mac, because everyone assumes their Mac is invincible -- you repeated the same line, actually. But in this case, you lose the bad with the good -- you lose the choice of running all those Windows apps. It's like taking a bus vs driving, in that respect -- the bus probably won't take you to a bad neighborhood, but your car will take you plenty of nice places the buses won't run.

      If a Mac does get infected, it is easier to clean up.

      That depends entirely on the effectiveness of the attack.

      For one thing it lacks a convoluted registry

      Instead, it uses convoluted XML files.

      and the Byzantine file organization

      It combines Unix, with its ages of crufty conventions (config files in /etc, but some in your home directory as dotfiles) with some purely Mac concepts, like /System, /Library, and so on, including a whole new set of places in your home directory to put things.

      Windows, "byzantine" or not, is at least relatively consistent there -- programs go in Program Files, settings go in your profile directory, etc. A purely-Unix system is also fairly consistent, especially with package management.

      Out-of-the-box, by default, Macs have fewer Internet facing services

      But more potentially Internet-facing services. Every new Mac comes with Ruby on Rails preloaded, along with things like Apache, Postfix... Don't get me wrong, I love Rails, but you probably don't need it.

      and its included browser, Safari, is not deeply embedded and part of the operating system.

      Nor is IE. A specific part of IE, the Trident rendering engine, is part of Windows, and exposed as a library, but it can be replaced. I don't know whether Webkit is exposed the same way on OS X, but there's certainly a lot of built-in libraries.

      But then, QuickTime makes up for that in spades. It's actually required, and used for things like html5 video in Safari. Not just the player -- top-to-bottom, if you want to add a codec, if you want to write your own custom player, pretty much anything you want to do with video, you're going to have to touch QuickTime.

      Of course not! By now you should know me better than that. It is simply a fact that humans tend to be more careful with expensive objects.

      Not always, and even if it were the case, I don't consider it to be worth spending more for it. For example:

      It's not likely that someone would go hotrodding down a gravel or dirt road with a BMW, but may do so with a Chevy.

      But there are many ways a BMW is likely better than a Chevy. I've driven my dad's BMW. It's a nice car.

      But again, twice as much? It's hard to imagine many things where I'd pay twice as much as I'd need to, just for it to look better.

      I'd also suggest that people tend to take the time to become more knowledge

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  5. The product will not have an "i" prefix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are launching a whole new branch of products and phasing out the "i' product all together in the next 3 years.

    Just thought I'd add to the rumor mill.

    --SJ

    1. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by stokessd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "They are launching a whole new branch of products and phasing out the "i' product all together in the next 3 years."

      I hope so, the "i"everything was annoying when it came out on crummy ugly gumdrop computers, and it hasn't gotten better over time. I had hoped that the two word naming was the "new hotness" IE frontRow, finalCut, etc. but no... Thankfully, the colored translucent plastic era seems to be behind us.

      I'm still scratching my head over the tablet, it was obvious that a phone with a non-sucko UI was needed when the iPhone came out, and even before seeing the product, I could imagine how it would make my life better. With the tablet, I don't have such a clear image of how it will make my life worth living.

      Sheldon

    2. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Instead, they will be using the "a" (for "Apple") prefix instead. Also, they will be introducing a device that combines all the features of all of their portable devices, tentatively named the "aWhole".

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    3. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite what you call 'crummy ugly gumdrop computers' they were still the most compelling looking
      machines of their time, and helped set Apple on the return to being one of the the most distinctive
      PC manufacturers in the industry.

      Of course if beige is your thing, there's still plenty to choose from even these days ...

    4. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....how it will make my life worth living....

      It's really sad, if your life is not worth living now, but depends on the release of a cool technological gadget.

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    5. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by rainhill · · Score: 1

      >> With the tablet, I don't have such a clear image of how it will make my life worth living.

      Maybe it doesn't excite you but, Kindle over at Amazon is selling like hotcakes (more importantly, selling ebooks/epapers with it), so, it's obvious that Mr. Jobs want some (if he can, all) of that action.

    6. Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. by ErkDemon · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind an ASUS EeePad. But I think I'd prefer an ASUS EeePod Touch.

  6. That may be true, but by dilemmachine · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It will still be an amazing device nonetheless. Not just because of what it can do, but because of the thousands of awesome apps that can run on it.

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  7. I hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I hear they will open an Apple Bookstore.

    1. Re:I hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are you saying they closed down the old one?

  8. "Blogosphere?" by bonch · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Blogosphere?" Is this 2004?

    Anyway, the so-called iSlate is probably a real product, but it might just be a larger version of the iPhone. Like every Apple release, the rumor hype will excite people to impossibly high standards, and when the actual product comes out, forums will be filled with sarcastic bitching, even though all of them will buy it anyway. Also, someone will post a link to the Apple rumor cycle.

    1. Re:"Blogosphere?" by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Anyway, the so-called iSlate is probably a real product, but it might just be a larger version of the iPhone.

      The real question is will the iSlate be a MacBook in tablet form, or an iPod Touch in tablet form. My guess is the former, because I don't think a totally locked down tablet would succeed, and applications written for iPhone / iPod Touch are designed around a specific display size and ratio, and thus would not be conducive to a larger display. However, standard OSX apps would be right at home on a tablet PC.

      So my bet is an x86 based super-thin tablet version of the MacBook sporting multitouch support, some custom shell for streamlined app launching (which will look very similar to iPhone), and an open architecture supporting existing OSX apps, and extension of the existing iPhone app store to support these apps and allow Apple to make money off of 3rd party software. This will directly push consumers into the full OSX / Macintosh experience, which is not something the iPhone achieved (besides generic Apple brand exposure).

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    2. Re:"Blogosphere?" by hiscross · · Score: 0

      Perfect and well said. I really want John Galt until Jesus returns.

    3. Re:"Blogosphere?" by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      So my bet is an x86 based super-thin tablet version of the MacBook sporting multitouch support, some custom shell for streamlined app launching (which will look very similar to iPhone), and an open architecture supporting existing OSX apps

      This is the sort of horrible kludge Microsoft would come up with - trying to run desktop apps on a touch device.

      Any slate will run iPhone OS - the variant of OS X which is tailored for a touch interface, and iPhone OS apps, which are tailored for a small screen (of varying sizes, as when an iPhone rotates). That'll require a little bit of tweaking, but not much, for existing apps. It'll look similar to an iPhone because it'll be running the same OS. We already know it's ARM based anyway, which rules out desktop OS X. As for pushing customers towards the Mac - the Mac is the last great thing as far as Jobs is concerned; devices are the new playground, and also where the money is for Apple.

      A larger iPhone/iPod would be a very successful product, as it could be used for reading, consuming media, and anything else that requires a larger screen. That's all it would take for Apple to have a hit in another product segment - they already have most of the software ready for media/video/reading, so it's just a matter of getting the hardware right.

    4. Re:"Blogosphere?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real question is will the iSlate be a MacBook in tablet form, or an iPod Touch in tablet form. My guess is the former, because I don't think a totally locked down tablet would succeed,

      Ahem: http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/28/the-ipod-touchs-breakout-christmas/

      and applications written for iPhone / iPod Touch are designed around a specific display size and ratio, and thus would not be conducive to a larger display..

      Ahem, ahem: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/23/apple_developers_told_to_prepare_full_screen_apps_for_jan_demo.html

    5. Re:"Blogosphere?" by Glock27 · · Score: 1

      What, so every two years we need to update the entire vocabulary of tech? Moron... (that term never goes out of style! :)

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    6. Re:"Blogosphere?" by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      rumor hype will excite people to impossibly high standards, and when the actual product comes out, forums will be filled with sarcastic bitching

      Or grasping-at-straws rationalisation as to why, despite the objective observation that it is a very mediocre product, it is in fact the greatest thing that has ever been invented since the last thing Apple did, and how you're a fool for not seeing that.

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  9. Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> All of the rumours and "opinions" really get annoying after awhile because they all contradict one another.

    To be frank, most of the apple (iphone/tablet/whatever) stories are already annoying. It's nothing but a huge fanboi echo-chamber or a giant fanboi orgy.

    1. Re:Wait? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      MTo be frank, most of the apple (iphone/tablet/whatever) stories are already annoying. It's nothing but a huge fanboi echo-chamber or a giant fanboi orgy.

      Mr. Ballmer, if you just would log in you might get some of your karma back...

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    2. Re:Wait? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that must be why there are so many Windows and Linux stories, right?

      Like it or not, Apple is important. (And for the record, I don't like it.)

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    3. Re:Wait? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am more worried about content of the stories, not just what topic stories are on. Dishing out fanboy blogposts as stories happens far to frequently in Apple's case than anything else.

    4. Re:Wait? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      And decrying the fanboi orgy is turning into an anti-fanboi-orgy orgy. And some people are sure to step in to say there's no problem with idle speculation, and they'll have their anti-anti-fanboi-orgy-orgy orgy. It's recursive!

      You know it's a slow news day when blog sites are navel-gazing about the blogger coverage of an unannounced device that may or may not be in pre-production phases.

      All I have to say about it is... Meh. When (if) a product gets released, I'll consider how it might meet my needs.

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    5. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet you felt compelled to comment? Stunning absolutely stunning.

    6. Re:Wait? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Well this Fanboi is certian that the Final Cut suite is the ONLY decent video editing platform out there. and Yes I have used them all extensively.. including AVID.

      Problem is that apple is pissing in the cheerios of us that actually use their platform for work. we still have a hugely crappy Bluray authoring solution from them.

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    7. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like you did to my comment? Bravo!!

    8. Re:Wait? by arminw · · Score: 0, Troll

      ....I don't like it....
      Why? Is it because you can't or don't want to afford their products? I just got a Mac Mini with one TB (two 500G). It runs unlimited Leopard Server and is connected to our 47 inch LCD TV. AFAIK, nobody else sells anything remotely like this.

      PS.. Did you have a nice holiday? I wish you a happy new year!

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    9. Re:Wait? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...we still have a hugely crappy Bluray...
      The crappiest thing about Blu-Ray is the price of both the players and the discs. The draconian DRM doesn't help its popularity either. It doesn't make the crap that Hollywood has been turning out lately any better. The fact that you can see the quality of the shave on the actors doesn't warrant paying all that extra money. These are some of the reasons why Apple, even though Stevie is on Disney's board, still doesn't sell a computer with a Blu-Ray drive. Apple is a high-priced brand, but even they don't see the value proposition of Blu-Ray.

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    10. Re:Wait? by Chuqmystr · · Score: 1
      "It's nothing but a huge fanboi echo-chamber or a giant fanboi orgy."

      Reminds me of a line in a Southpark episode:
      "Everybody BACK IN THE PILE!"

    11. Re:Wait? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why?

      Several reasons, but...

      Is it because you can't or don't want to afford their products?

      I had a Powerbook. It cost somewhere between $2k and $3k, so yes, I can afford it. I actually really like the hardware, and the OS was pretty slick. It did a few things that I really miss -- I could open Terminal (as in, Terminal.app), I could set it to be translucent -- really translucent -- and I could set it to map a single keystroke to navigate around open terminals. That was really nice -- I could cycle through them as easily as if they were tabs, but they'd all be physically there, and command+tab would switch applications.

      But, eventually, the backlight died. I had AppleCare, so I sent it in for service. It was really nice -- they overnighted me a box with all the packing, all I had to do was pull out the right little strips of foam and send it back.

      They refused to fix it because it had a dent in the case. Apparently any physical damage at all voids the warranty, whether or not it's at all related -- that dent had been there for over a year.

      They also wanted $1200, insisting that they had to replace basically the entire machine. It was a backlight.

      A few other annoyances about that Powerbook -- it was a high-end, late-model Powerbook, which is to say, I got it only a few months before they announced the switch to Intel -- so I kind of got shafted by Apple's keep-everything-secret policy.

      And there was a little annoyance -- a bug in the keyboard settings. I reported it to Apple, and not only was I basically sworn to secrecy by their bug report form, but as far as I know, to this day, they have not fixed the bug. I know I lived with it for over a year. But since the OS is proprietary, I couldn't fix it myself -- and because of the way it was designed, there wasn't really a good way to hack around it, as I might on Linux.

      I'm typing this on an Apple keyboard, quite possibly the best keyboard I've used, except for its Apple-ness. I can only update its firmware (yes, it has firmware) on a Mac. The alt and Windows keys are swapped, because they're actually alt and command on OS X. And Apple, in their infinite wisdom, replaced the insert key (or what's supposed to be the insert key) with an fn key. Maybe you don't use insert, maybe it has no use on OS X, but there are a number of places on my current OS where it'd be useful.

      So, Linux lets me remap keys easily enough -- so alt/command problem solved. But that fn key is apparently interpreted by the keyboard -- it never makes it down the USB cable, so I can't remap it. I can map one of the random other keys to insert, but my actual insert key will always be fn.

      I could go on...

      See, the Apple Way of doing things is cool, slick, easy, and powerful, as long as you want to do things Steve Jobs has thought of. The second you want to do something Steve Jobs didn't think of, or doesn't approve of, things get very rough. The keyboard settings was a perfect example of that -- I had custom keymappings, and some of them got screwed up.

      So, I used Kubuntu on a company laptop. That died, so I had to use a shiny new iMac for about a week until my new laptop arrived. It had leopard, and it was awesome -- but there were still many things I missed.

      I just got a Mac Mini with one TB (two 500G).

      Good for you! How much did you pay for it?

      I've got a Linux box with a terabyte SATA drive in it. The drive costs less than $100.

      It runs unlimited Leopard Server

      Again, how much did it cost? The box I have that terabyte drive in runs Ubuntu Server.

      and is connected to our 47 inch LCD TV.

      My laptop runs Kubuntu, and it can do that just fine -- over HDMI, no less.

      AFAIK, nobody else sells anything remotely like this.

      Check out the Dell Inspiron Zino HD. With a single terabyte drive

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    12. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orgy? They're fanbois. Circle jerk is more like it.

    13. Re:Wait? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      A bragging Apple fanboi! What a novelty.

      Let's see then.

      I can afford many of them. But I don't want to sell my soul to a company known for it's lockdowns. So, why don't you just shut up about how much you are earning?

      I have got an old Dell box with 1.5TB (1TB + .5TB). It runs unlimited Ubuntu server which serves all the media to all other computers at my home (4 of them - do you want to know if I can afford them?). It is also connected to my 100 inch HD projector. AFAIK, every Tom, Dick and Herry are selling such a system.

      And I did have a nice holiday. Your post just made it great.

    14. Re:Wait? by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...The second you want to do something Steve Jobs didn't think of, or doesn't approve of, things get very rough....
      It is very true that Mac computers are not as good for those who like to tinker with them. They are more like an appliance. There will always be trade-offs between flexibility and ease-of-use for ordinary users. The UNIX underpinnings of OS X do allow for quite a bit of tinkering by skilled users.

      (...I tried installing Linux on that Powerbook...)
      I have Linux, Windows XP and Windows 7 installed in three separate virtual machines on my Mac Pro. I put Ubuntu on there mostly out of curiosity, but I have several programs that I use regularly, but that only come on Windows. Because OS X underpinnings are based on UNIX, Macs have much in common with Linux.

      (...it's got a better case,...)
      Most importantly, for me, is that it had to fit into a very tight spot in the cabinet which the TV sits on. It also had to have the faster 802.11n networking speed so that large movie files can be transferred to it quickly. Since this computer is never turned off, unlike the TV, it is important that its power consumption be small. There is no other computer that does what the Mini does and yet suck only 14 W on standby. A true Windows server is considerably more expensive and Linux can't run QuickTime or iTunes.

      (...They also wanted $1200, insisting that they had to replace basically the entire machine...)
      Unfortunately, Apple isn't the only manufacturer that will try to get out of warranty repairs based on physical evidence of damage. I once had a titanium PowerBook on which the frame broke near the hinge. I have to pay for that repair myself, but it was only $300.

      (...until fairly recently, I was employed...)
      I do hope you get another job before long, one that you like. Unlike you, I am old, married and retired, but I have a fairly decent income. I have communicated with you quite a bit already. You seem more like a friend than a random stranger on Slashdot.

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    15. Re:Wait? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      The UNIX underpinnings of OS X do allow for quite a bit of tinkering by skilled users.

      Yes, I realize -- did you read my comment? I was digging around with Terminal.

      The main problems I've described so far are with the UI, but they run deeper. For instance:

      Because OS X underpinnings are based on UNIX, Macs have much in common with Linux.

      Ok, leaving aside the fact that I can't really run my own window manager (and still run native OS X apps), there's the fact that there really isn't a good package manager. Either every app has to code its own autoupdate system (or embed one), or I have to manually check the ones that don't.

      Add to that the fact that unlike the App Store, there isn't a central repository -- I can still install anything I want on Ubuntu, but most things will be installed via the package manager, meaning I can be reasonably sure they're legit, and will be kept up to date.

      There are a few package managers for OS X, but they each cover different things, they don't talk to each other, and they all have rather large flaws. For instance, last I checked, MacPorts requires everything be compiled, and it'll still refuse to update the system -- it creates a new hierarchy under /sw.

      These are all things that make it kind of a mess.

      Most importantly, for me, is that it had to fit into a very tight spot

      By "better" I mean the Dell case looks like cheap plastic, and the Mac one is fancy aluminum. It actually isn't much bigger.

      It also had to have the faster 802.11n networking speed so that large movie files can be transferred to it quickly.

      No it doesn't.

      I mean, let's say you were streaming movies. Blu-Ray is the highest-bandwidth movie format you're likely to encounter -- higher than HD-DVD. It has a theoretical maximum bandwidth of 50 megabits.

      In other words: Plug in a cable, and you've already got the bandwidth to stream two movies at once, plus you won't be interrupted by nachos.

      Or stick to the wireless. The b/g card only adds $25 to the price, the n card adds $40, and if you didn't have a router, you could add the n router for $80, or a gigabit n router for $160 -- and that's from Dell (third-party could be cheaper) -- still nowhere near the $500 or so extra you paid for a Mac. And let's talk about 802.11g -- that's 54 mbits, still faster than the theoretical maximum of Blu-Ray.

      If you really want to transfer movies fast -- maybe you're ripping them in another room, for some strange reason -- plug in a cat6 cable. 802.11n is 160 mbits. Gigabit is 1000 mbits, and again, you won't be interrupted by nachos.

      There is no other computer that does what the Mini does and yet suck only 14 W on standby.

      I can do one better -- 0 W on hibernate. But idle (not standby, just idle) it's reported to use 30W, and the max consumption is somewhere closer to 60W. Compare that to, oh, a light bulb.

      But I cannot stress enough -- $500 extra. How many years do you have to keep that same device for it to pay for itself in power usage?

      A true Windows server is considerably more expensive

      And why in the world would you want a "Windows Server" version? You've described this as a component in your media center, right? If you're going with Windows, why wouldn't you use the Media Center edition?

      Dell doesn't offer that here, but they do offer Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit), for $150 over the base price. So, add it all up (plus the most expensive wireless options), and it comes to $804. Still saves you $200, and that's if you get everything from Dell (without shopping around for components, or simply deciding that Windows 7 Home Premium is enough).

      That assumes Linux wouldn't work...

      Linux can't run QuickTime or iTunes.

      First, why does it matter? Lin

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  10. not constructive, just reasonable...also a waste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iphone was pretty much the beginning of a new paradigm. The tablet device is just a logical progression from the iphone to fill the gap between the iphone and macbooks. It's not difficult to speculate and rumorize something like this with relative accuracy compared to the iPhone hooey. Also, it's worthwhile to have active chatter about these kinds of rumored features. If there's something that sucks...like excessive proprietary influence or lacking features, it's good to get the explore benefits and drawbacks. Designers and engineers don't live in bubbles. They hear you when you speculate and bitch and moan.

  11. I see, you guys are working really hard... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ...to pull yet another Apple article out of your asses, even when there is absolutely nothing to report anymore and we’re all already stuffed to the top with it.

    I wonder what Apple pays for this...

    Just remember: Every new story about it, makes me want it less and block it more.

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    1. Re:I see, you guys are working really hard... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I wonder what Apple pays for this...

      I would estimate that Apple pays approximately zero dollars for such articles.

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    2. Re:I see, you guys are working really hard... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Only because you haven't been invited to CowboyNeal's naked moneytub parties. All those ones have to come from somewhere.

  12. Flash: Steve Jobs may have farted by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 0, Troll

    Film at eleven. Exclusive /. coverage now!

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  13. The iSlate will have... by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Removable battery
    2. Free upload of unsigned software and drivers, not locking the user in to any sort of "app mall."
    3. Full physical keyboard since everyone knows software keyboards are annoying
    4. Full and open support for third party hardware
    5. An affordable, low price-point that even Apple's harshest critics cannot bring themselves to complain about
    6. Copy and paste functionality at launch

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    1. Re:The iSlate will have... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Nice wish list; too bad it's not based on facts.

      P.S. You forgot 7. Not locked to AT&T's network

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    2. Re:The iSlate will have... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Is there much of a market for cellular devices larger than the iPhone?

      There are applications where netbooks with cellular built into the device makes sense, but I would rather have cellular that I could also use with devices other than the netbook.

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    3. Re:The iSlate will have... by tepples · · Score: 1

      There are applications where netbooks with cellular built into the device makes sense, but I would rather have cellular that I could also use with devices other than the netbook.

      That's called pulling out the SIM and putting it in your other devices.

    4. Re:The iSlate will have... by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      And tomorrow, Cisco will announce a similar but unrelated product called iSlate!

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    5. Re:The iSlate will have... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The iPhone has two flaws: 1) No hardware keyboard, and 2) Not large enough screen to use for reading eBooks (at least for my eyes). The iSlate solves problem 2. It competes not with touchscreen phones, but with Kindle and Nook, while providing an MP3/video/game player as well. The only question is whether or not it will have cell phone capability; the iTouch does well enough without a cell phone. I suspect the iSlate will just be a large-screen iTouch.

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    6. Re:The iSlate will have... by nsayer · · Score: 1

      The iPhone has two flaws: 1) No hardware keyboard

      Whoosh.

    7. Re:The iSlate will have... by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

      So it's going to run Linux?

    8. Re:The iSlate will have... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Is that cheaper than moving the radio?

      Also, not very practical in the U.S.

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    9. Re:The iSlate will have... by espiesp · · Score: 1

      I've been waiting my whole life to say this in proper context.

      *WHOOOSH*

    10. Re:The iSlate will have... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the argument "Why would anybody buy a $300 tablet when they can get a netbook for less?" is a valid argument. I was actually referring to my Android G1 phone which has both a swing-out keyboard and a touchscreen keyboard; while the hardware keyboard accuracy and speed suffers (I have to type with my thumbnails) the software keyboard is completely unusable, at least without a stylus. The software keys are simply too close together to accurately hit with human-size fingertips. The iPod sold when there were much cheaper MP3 players available; the iSlate has a slight advantage in user interface over a netbook if it includes the touch screen, compass, and tilt sensors found in the iPhone/iTouch. As far as I'm concerned, Google Maps is the killer iPhone/Android app, and a larger screen would make it even better. It would also make it a better game machine. And of course, the larger screen would enable them to go after the emerging eBook reader market as well. (Interesting fact: for the first time in history, Amazon sold more eBooks than paper books this Christmas day.)

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    11. Re:The iSlate will have... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Is that cheaper than moving the radio?

      Unless you want to use an entire phone handset as the radio, it is because unlike with a netbook, you can't just unplug the radio inside a phone.

      Also, not very practical in the U.S.

      In what way?

      • Are you referring to subsidy locks on GSM/UMTS devices, so that you can't take your equipment purchased at a T-Mobile store on AT&T's network? In that case, there's no problem; as I understand it, T-Mobile has even worse coverage than AT&T, so if you want UMTS to work, you go with the Death Star.
      • Or are you referring to CSIM-less CDMA devices like those offered by Verizon and Sprint? We were talking about the iPhone, and the U.S. iPhone is GSM (first model) or GSM/UMTS (later models).
      • Or are you referring to the obscurity of over-the-counter phones and adapters not sold in a bundle with a plan?
    12. Re:The iSlate will have... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I used the iphone simply as a point of reference, I don't think I was using for scope.

      And no, I don't consider subscribing to ATT to be a practical thing to do.

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  14. iLaunch by Princeofcups · · Score: 1
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  15. Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in force. by aussersterne · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Listen, I'm a Linux user (okay, I do own an iPhone, but I was a Palm phone user for years before that) and don't own or use a Mac or any other Apple products (apart from an iPhone), but seriously. Apple makes products that are, to my eye, of a generally better design, quality, and level of attentiveness and integration than your average Dell or HP or Motorola, etc.

    Apple products are well-liked and often do very well in their market segments.

    Shock though it may come to some here, the iPhone does in fact make and receive calls and do any number of other very useful things, yes even in New York, and I imagine that the iPod is pretty good at playing music and Macs are pretty good at web browsing, word processing, multimedia, and other things that many people typically use computers for.

    So what's with the virulent, rabid anti-Apple hyperbole and the (getting very old and boring) claims (presumably in the interest of a kind of sledgehammer humor) that Apple products don't actually work at all, and that there is therefore something offensive about people that use Apple products?

    Is Slashdot the victim of a giant backhanded astroturfing campaign by Verizon, HP, and Dell, or what?

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  16. iSlate name by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless of any functionality this tablet will have, it only takes a very short time to come up with the "is-late" pronunciation of iSlate. I can't imagine that Jobs would let anything that could be turned into a such an obvious mockery of Apple be released. I have no idea what the table will be called, but I am betting heavily against "iSlate" - and yes I have been following all the reports on companies being purchased etc.

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    1. Re:iSlate name by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      They could revive Newton, or iBook. But it seems that a Slate is also a revival of an earlier product.

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    2. Re:iSlate name by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

      i-ph-on-e sounds a bit rude to me, and at best promotes drugs.

    3. Re:iSlate name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Apple doesn't announce a release date for new products it would be difficult for the iSlate to be late. More than any other cmpqny Apple has performed very well with timing the announcement and immediate availablity of a product. The biggest critic has always been shortage due to playing safe on estimates of demand. Therefore I'd not expect to see Apple name something iSavailable but iSlate seems reasonable enough.

    4. Re:iSlate name by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Since Apple doesn't announce a release date for new products it would be difficult for the iSlate to be late.

      While you are technically correct, no business person would ever want their product associated with a negative perception no matter how untrue the connection was.

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    5. Re:iSlate name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Perhaps they could change it to iStale.

    6. Re:iSlate name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read in a newspaper made from paper that the device could be called "ipad" which made me laugh because of this

    7. Re:iSlate name by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Regardless of any functionality this tablet will have, it only takes a very short time to come up with the "is-late" pronunciation of iSlate. I can't imagine that Jobs would let anything that could be turned into a such an obvious mockery of Apple be released. I have no idea what the table will be called, but I am betting heavily against "iSlate" - and yes I have been following all the reports on companies being purchased etc.

      Oh, and I suppose you're nixing iSoar for similar reasons. Spoilsport.

      In keeping with the i-name, iPad or iTab, iTablet, or something similar would make sense. iRaq and iRan were already used by Mad TV.

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    8. Re:iSlate name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously don't remember the negative backlash against the "MacBook" branding from lovers of the PowerBook name. Or the disbelief that apple would use a name as cheesey as "MacBook air". Or that they'd call their mouse a "magic mouse". I wouldn't presume anyone but the inner circle at apple have any fucking idea what they are or are not going to call it

    9. Re:iSlate name by petronivs · · Score: 1

      Regardless of any functionality this phone will have, it only takes a very short time to come up with the "if-one" pronunciation of iPhone. I can't imagine that Jobs would let anything that could be turned into a such an obvious mockery of Apple be released. I have no idea what the phone will be called, but I am betting heavily against "iPhone" - and yes I have been following all the reports on companies being purchased etc.

      There, fixed it for you. We are as dedicated to exploring ways in which product names can be twisted as we were about making fun of our classmates' names back in kindergarten.

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    10. Re:iSlate name by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no idea what you're going for there.

  17. iSpecs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand the iPad on the iFront will support "iAm - iFeel" (AKA Alisha's) gesturing, the unit has iTooth connectivity and 'advanced' iWifi. The logon tune is a short snippet from "If I ruled the world", the iBoard keyboard has extra, proprietary buttons for iInstant iInterfacting(TM) (aka I4) to iPods and iPhones, the iScreen runs in a proprietary iWXVGA mode and the whole unit runs iOSX.

    The marketing campaign will be fronted by Black iPeas and the unit will cost significantly more than a similar one from another manufacturer but will still be bought in large numbers by iDiots

  18. At first I thought kdawson posted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Taco, Are you learning new skills from kdawson??? What is the purpose of this story???

    1. Re:At first I thought kdawson posted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CmdrTaco was kdawson's mentor. kdawson owes the fact that he is such a shitty editor to being Taco's protégé.

  19. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, the answer is quite simple, the same answer it's been for ages. People don't like Apple because they can't afford their hardware. There is no other reason than that. I'm not trolling, this is actually what I've been told by a few people who adamantly bash Apple. They bash them non-stop but if I bring my MacBook Pro around, they will then proceed to say "I wish I could have afforded a MBP." The ironic part is, if you can afford a mid-range HP laptop, you can afford an Apple laptop. Maybe not Everyone, but with student discount, or developer discount if they apply, you get a Better deal than a plastic laptop.

    Note that this, however, only applies to Aluminum MacBook (Pro's). I've never used another Apple product so can't really say about the costs of those.

  20. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    So what's with the virulent, rabid anti-Apple hyperbole and the (getting very old and boring) claims (presumably in the interest of a kind of sledgehammer humor) that Apple products don't actually work at all, and that there is therefore something offensive about people that use Apple products?

    Surprise -- so far there have been no such comments... except yours.

    BTW, I don't own an Apple anything, although I'll probably get an iPod pretty soon.

  21. You mean that... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...there are rumors that they have purchased another vowel?

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    1. Re:You mean that... by stokessd · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...there are rumors that they have purchased another vowel?

      The uTouch sounds a bit creepy and ... mmmmmm that feels good...but this is wrong... don't stop...

  22. You got some right by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    1. Removable battery

    Ha Ha. Of course the battery will be sealed, it gives you longer battery life.

    2. Free upload of unsigned software and drivers, not locking the user in to any sort of "app mall."

    50/50

    3. Full physical keyboard since everyone knows software keyboards are annoying

    They are on full size devices. On smaller devices the physical keyboards are more annoying. Or why does the Google Phone not have a physical keyboard...

    A larger slate size device will have a detachable keyboard.

    4. Full and open support for third party hardware

    Yep, USB/bluetooth/network. Not open enough for you?

    5. An affordable, low price-point that even Apple's harshest critics cannot bring themselves to complain about

    Ha Ha.

    6. Copy and paste functionality at launch

    Oh hilarious. Probably mutli-touch too, which Android couldn't bother with at launch. Which was more important to have out of the gate?

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    1. Re:You got some right by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
      Meets all requirements.
      It also have about a quarter the cpu performance of a typical netbook for the same price range.

    2. Re:You got some right by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      Or why does the Google Phone not have a physical keyboard...

      WTF are you talking about? The Nexus One or Android phones? I know that G1 and Milestone(Droid) both have keyboards even if some Android phones don't.

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    3. Re:You got some right by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      No it does not. it CLAIMS 10 hours but does not deliver. I want 10 hours solid with wifi blazing and full screen brightness. it delivers a real world 2 hours at that useage level. My Dell studio 17 can do that.

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    4. Re:You got some right by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      So you are one of the few lucky ones to actually get their hands on one? I am planning on waiting till they can guarantee a delivery date before I order one. That battery life does sound a bit disappointing though. I am not sure but I think the second battery is in the keyboard module, did you have the full touchbook or just the tablet part when you only got the 2 hour battery life?

  23. Nope, wrong. by LibertineR · · Score: 0
    Geeks can generally find a way to afford any hardware that we want. The problem is, we dont WANT to afford hardware that is grossly overpriced. It is also wrong to suggest that those who dont buy Apple products are somehow against Apple. I think you would find most people appreciate what Apple does, even if we dont want to pay those outrageous prices, in order to be part of the 'club'.

    Apple doesnt to anything from a functional perspective that others dont; iPhone being a perfect example. My Blackberry had every feature that the iPhone3G had a year before the 3G was available. If there is anything about Apple that I personally resent, it might be their propensity to suggest innovation and features never existed until they incorporated them into their own products.

    Apple would be fine allowing one to believe that no phone had true GPS or A2DP until the G3, and I know more than one iPhone owner who believed that until I set them straight. I truly appreciate Apple's marketing prowess, and their product design abilities are unmatched. There are just a number of us who can appreciate Apple without paying more than twice the average price for similar technology. This past Christmas, I purchased THREE HP laptops on Black Friday for LESS than the price of MacBook Pro with the same feature set, same RAM, and and bigger disks.

    Is the MacBook a better machine anyway? Perhaps, but NOT 3+ times better.

    1. Re:Nope, wrong. by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      I gave up on Mac right around the time that System 7.x was upgraded to Mac OS 8. I was bummed because my old Centris/Quadra 610 was too old and slow to work with OS 8, and with my limited teenage budget I was able to get a PC with much better specifications for less than half the price of a decent Mac.

      Fast forward to now; I work and have a toy budget. Mac hardware is nice, but still very expensive to the point where I wasn't going to pay the premium.

      I have a Dell Mini netbook which has a very nice design with sleek smooth lines, light weight, portability, etc. but an OS that I'm fed up with. I was fine with XP, but Vista and now even Win 7 are just painful to use and maintain anymore. I found a way to get snow leopard on it, and I'm very satisfied! So satisfied in fact that I bought a full sized MacBook Pro; a friend of mine has an older (circa 2007) MacBook Pro that he tried to sell but apparently all the consumers aren't interested in MacBooks that don't have the new unibody design, at least consumers in the NY area.

      I think I'm sold on Mac now as I'm just tired of dealing with Windows. Ubuntu 'works' but it too is a hassle to get things the way I like, and to expect my non-technically-minded relatives to use it. Your best bet is to look for deals on used equipment, especially stuff that isn't from the current generation. Apparently there are a lot of consumers who have $$$ to spend on the latest Apple toys.

    2. Re:Nope, wrong. by xch13fx · · Score: 1

      ...And games, Apple is not game friendly(outside of WoW, and a very few others).

    3. Re:Nope, wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two flaws in you comment above: 1) The assumption that it matters if Apple users (or anyone else, for that matter) think their Apple devices have functionality that is unique and/or first. The point is, they were moved to buy the Apple device and not the competing device that has the same functionality or had it first. 2) In your opinion, a MacBook Pro may not be 3 times better than an HP laptop, but to the majority of Mac users, it just has to be just somewhat better, since they can only use one computer at a time and it's the experience you are having in the moment that matters.

    4. Re:Nope, wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This past Christmas, I purchased THREE HP laptops on Black Friday for LESS than the price of MacBook Pro with the same feature set, same RAM, and and bigger disks.

      So while we're throwing anecdotal evidence around: My Macbook Pro is still going strong after 3+ years of daily use. My wife's HP died after about a year and a half of far less frequent use, succumbing to a system board problem that will cost more to fix than the computer is really worth at this point.

    5. Re:Nope, wrong. by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      And my grandpa's IBM laptop is still running strong, and it has had quite a bit of use. My laptop has no issues either, and that thing has been to hell and back.

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    6. Re:Nope, wrong. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Apple is perfectly game friendly. Game developers are not Apple friendly. WoW doesn't work on Macs because Apple did anything special, Blizzard just bothered to write a Mac version.

    7. Re:Nope, wrong. by xch13fx · · Score: 1

      your retarded, mac cares more about creating a machine for the "elite" and does not care about market share. Without that most major developers will lose money making games for the mac and retailers don't want to waste the shelf space. Mac would rather have the photoshopers that think they are gods gift to the universe, than go after mass market. So yes the hardware can handle games but Apple corp is not going out of their way to secure game titles on their system. I believe that makes them "not game friendly"...

  24. Not only that... by IANAAC · · Score: 1
    Probably the most annoying thing I've seen was someone claiming that the iTablet was better than anything out there. Yes. A non-existent product is better than anything out there.

    Cue the "Oh wait..." jokes.

  25. The Apple product cycle in action by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

    Apple is reportedly close to launching its long-rumored ____. It could be Apple’s latest billion-dollar jackpot.

    Analyst speculation says the ___ will be launched in September and be in the shops by Christmas. A new mention of the ___ crops up on Twitter around every eight minutes.

    christ, we should all know better by now. See here and fill in the rest yourself. Illustration: the new iPod shuffle.

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    1. Re:The Apple product cycle in action by Titoxd · · Score: 1

      David, you keep posting the same thing on every Apple story. The joke is getting a bit stale; stop beating the dead horse...

    2. Re:The Apple product cycle in action by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      That's why I didn't post the whole thing. It is after all the same Apple story.

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    3. Re:The Apple product cycle in action by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      But, uh, yeah.

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    4. Re:The Apple product cycle in action by zullnero · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it's not stated enough, because Apple fans don't seem to get it yet.

    5. Re:The Apple product cycle in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you high numbers betters stop harassing the low numbers!

  26. Own network??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, i know!! It's name will be "Apple Talk"...

    yeah, i'll go away, right now...

  27. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by leamanc · · Score: 1

    Just an OT question here: Since you are a Linux user, how do you sync, charge and update your iPhone? iTunes via Wine? Or a full-fledged VM solution like VMWare? I have several Macs along with my Linux boxen, and I've tinkered with using my iPhone with Linux, but it's just plain easier to plug it into a Mac and not worry about the rather troublesome iTunes installation via Wine. Or is there some solution available to jailbroken iPhones that allows syncing without iTunes?

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  28. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by dissy · · Score: 1

    Surprise -- so far there have been no such comments... except yours.

    There most likely are plenty of them, but they are all sitting down at -1 Troll and will remain that way.

    Slashdot has been anti-technology for quite a few years now (Note how the first 1-3 posts on every new technology story is along the lines of "Pfft this is teh dumz0rs!" or "Why bother? That won't make money"

    My personal observation is that less than 1/10th of slashdots current and active community are in any way interested in new technology for the sake of technology (aka Computer geek)

    The other 9/10ths either have zero curiosity about how things function, and quite a few are actively against new technology.

    Apple, being one of the more public facing R&D companies around in the computer biz, of course deals with creating lots of new technology. This is the main reason they are hated on by most current slashdotters, and why those of us that DO like technology for the sake of technology get modded off as trolls and off-topic.

  29. Nexus by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    WTF are you talking about? The Nexus One or Android phones?

    Obviously the Nexus, since none of the others you list are made by Google.

    The Nexus does not have a physical keyboard (as per a source who has used one).

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  30. Appleberry? Appleberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where have all the appleberries gone? I'm going to make pie.

    1. Re:Appleberry? Appleberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming a mud pie, based on your last Texas Hot Plate.

  31. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Sadly, I fear you're right. It does seem that there are quite a few non-nerd noncompos here.

  32. Only one thing that really matters... by Millennium · · Score: 1

    There's a lot people are bandying about that's off-base, no doubt. But IMHO, there's really only one off-base thing about the iSlate that matters: the assertion that it exists at all.

    There will be no second coming of Newton, folks. It failed. So have pretty much all other tablet initiatives, of which the one we currently call "tablet computing" was not the first. They sound neat and shiny on paper, but they just aren't practical, and Apple -having tried it before, keep in mind- knows this.

  33. It's called "prognostication" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    However, your attempt was marred by the blatant apple fanboyism in your post

    I don't see how feeding you details of what will be is "fanboyism". It's called "prognostication".

    Personally I have always expressed doubt for the whole tablet form factor, even ones from Apple, which is why I think in the end any Apple tablet to be marketable is going to be essentially a touchscreen laptop. Even then I'm not sure well.

    I'm sure in your little tiny Hater mind you can find someway to spin that into "fanboyism", but the rest of us can read that for what it is...

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  34. Re:"an open architecture supporting existing OSX" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My bet would be on the other side of the fence: bringing the closed structure of iTunes and the App store to laptop-like-ish devices would, IMO, be a good way to get content providers on board, and I think that is necessary for any 'reader' product. I also think that, for most consumers, having one app store leads to more sales. But we'll see, first whether this device exists at all.

  35. The Big Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a site that is supposedly frequented by self-described geeks, you guys are missing the (obvious) big picture. Assuming the new, rumored Apple device is real, it's importance will be that it will stand alone. Apple's latest successes are in the consumer electronics category. These categories are a far cry from computers, both in the amount of knowledge, dedication (yes, even now) required to operate and the financial rewards for the manufacturer. The iPod and the iPhone both require computers (iTunes) to acquire new software, and, even though iTunes is available on the Touch and the iPhone, you still are required to tether it to your computer occasionally. The new device (I predict) will stand alone. It will not require a companion computer. In this sense, it will create a new (even larger, I predict) category of users: 1) Mac owners with an iPod/iPhone, 2) PC owners with an iPod/iPhone and 3) Owners of this new device - no previous/current computer ownership required.

    This purchase of this device will be marketed similar to the purchase decision of a TV, or a DVD player - not at all intimidating. Of course the beauty of it all is that it will (in many situations) replace your TV, DVD player, books, game console, computer, iPod and audio book player (whatever device you currently use for that).

    At first the cost will be higher than most will spend, but soon, the price will drop to compete with the higher end netbooks, kindles, e-readers, etc.

  36. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Insightful

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  37. Kind of, but fixed keyboard? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That actually does look feature-wise something like what the tablet might be. The main issue I see though, it it doesn't seem like the keyboard detaches at all (looks like it just folds behind the screen?)

    There are some other differences I see though:

    1) Apple device would have screen going closer to the edge.

    2) Apple device will probably have stylus in addition to accepting finger input.

    3) Apple device would have much better processor specs.

    Basically, I am thinking the tablet is really an evolution of the Macbook Air (possibly even a replacement), with removable keyboard (or possibly also one that folds behind the screen).

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    1. Re:Kind of, but fixed keyboard? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      It definitely does come apart considering they charge an extra $100 for the keyboard half.

  38. So, $50? by weston · · Score: 1

    5. An affordable, low price-point that even Apple's harshest critics cannot bring themselves to complain about

    Oh, that's where you're wrong. Unless the price point is under $50.

    The way this works is that the Apple critic picks some set of features that phone X has had for months if not years. If the iPhone doesn't have all of those features at the market price for phone X or less, it's time to start talking about the deceit of shiny design and how Apple is actually a fashion company.

    Given that the Nokia 6820 had features 1-4 (plus tethering and additional bluetooth magic) and now goes for under $50, Apple's harshest critics will only be happy with that price point.

  39. limited imaginations by Uksi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This pre-history is fairly entertaining in that it exposes the low-effort groupthink of these tech bloggers/pundits/opinionators. The limited imagination is evident by most just putting together the iPod and the iPhone in the most obvious of ways: click wheel iPod with phone dialing functionality. Oh wait, how do you dial? Let's propose a slideout keyboard, yeah, that's it! And half those interface mockups look like a PocketPC screenshot with an Aqua theme.

    Imagine if Apple did actually put out such an iPod + clickwheel + keypad combo, behaving like an iPod + dialing features or behaving like a PocketPC/Windows Mobile phone of the era. It would be a flop in comparison to how well the iPhone actually sold.

    The moral of the story is that it takes critical thinking to truly innovate (that, and a massive design effort that's focused on user experience and not a feature list).

    1. Re:limited imaginations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was not low-effort group thinking ... this was actually expected:
      http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=5464642.jpg
      (original leaked design by Apple)

  40. Pre-History eh? by drej · · Score: 1

    Was the iPhone created by Steve Jobs in 7 days or was it a project that developed naturally during the course of time, by adapting to it's environment? Who knows...

  41. Just "Slate" by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    I think it's more likely that they'll go without the "i", and just call it Slate. The Times editor said "slate." Yeah they've registered islate domains, but companies defensively register domains near their product name all the time.

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  42. I'm surprised this even had to be stated... by zullnero · · Score: 0, Troll

    Apple fans (and employees) generate rumors. Fanboys giggle, scream, and preorder their Apple product. Apple product is released. It doesn't do anything really all that better than a lot of competing products already available, but because all these people got suckered and bought one, they begin to revere their purchase as if it were truly a groundbreaking innovation. I know these people get their iWhatever and they know it's nothing more than what everyone else is selling, but more expensive and in a prettier box, but they're so ashamed that they blew so much on a rumor that they've got to expound on that purchase as if it had been created by a collaboration between the resurrected minds of Newton and Tesla, with Michelangelo designing the UI.

    The iTablet or iSlate or whatever isn't going to be any different than every other Apple product. It will sell well because their fans will refuse to admit that it's not as innovative as they thought it was going to be when they preordered it, and they'll show it off to the crowd that would buy anything as long as it comes in a pretty box. Then the sheeple who feel they should have what everyone else has buys them. Apple wins, and technology doesn't progress much for it. But at least the industry begins churning out toys with really nice cases for awhile.

    1. Re:I'm surprised this even had to be stated... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Because the entire smartphone market hasn't been pushed towards releasing useable products since the release of the iPhone, right?

      I agree that often Apple gets a whole lot of credit for improving on already existing ideas, but smartphones really sucked before the iPhone came out, and the rising tide lifted everyone's boat, and everyone is better off 3 years later.

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  43. Hide in Shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, after the iPod then iPhone, the next gadget will get you branded a zombie. If you dare like/want it, you will have to order it online, have it mailed to a dummy address (lest your neighbors see), and you will have to only use it in the privacy of your own home.

    It doesn't matter how well it fits your needs, you are a sheep for wanting it.

  44. Personally ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    A high percentage of what was reported turned out to be hooey

    ... I'm holding out for the iHooey.

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  45. I thought Apple had already release a tablet by Razzious · · Score: 1

    It was affectionately called the Newton.

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  46. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1
    Aw come off it! We are both geeks and humans, we live to complain! I'm a Linux fan, so I hate Apple and Microsoft. Yes, Apple can make great products, but I can't love them, not my style. Microsoft can make great products (in theory they should be capable of that, they've been on the market for a while and they seem to hire bright people,) yet I hate to be forced to use them. There are Apple fans, that cannot fathom that anyone would want this do-it-yourself atmosphere surrounding Linux, rather than going for the road of design and things-work-as-long-as-you-do-it-the-approved-way. And there must be Microsoft fans -- obviously by lack of experience with anything better, like OpenBSD.

    My guess is that all of these people have great curiosity in how things function. We all like technology for technology's sake, but Linux/OpenBSD/Apple/Microsoft are just not our style.

  47. But this time will be different by multiplexo · · Score: 1

    A high percentage of what was reported turned out to be hooey — as I remembered as I reviewed stories that said the iPhone would have a click wheel, a slide-out keyboard, and two batteries, and would run on an Apple-branded wireless network. I'm guessing that much of what we 'know' about iSlate is similarly off-base."

    This time is going to be different though! This time Duke Nukem forever will ship with the iSlate.

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  48. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by nomadic · · Score: 1

    Apple makes products that are, to my eye, of a generally better design, quality, and level of attentiveness and integration than your average Dell or HP or Motorola, etc.

    My experience (admittedly anecdotal), has been that Apple makes products that seem, when you touch them, to be of higher quality, but they eventually break. Of all the computers I've had, the two macs lasted the shortest period of time before getting bricked. In both cases it was apparently a common design problem. I am really coveting the 27 inch imac right now (hideously overpriced for the specs, I know), but I honestly am not sure it's worth buying something that will probably break down in the next few years.

  49. You may be waiting a while by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative

    After all the rumoured name of the product: is-Late

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  50. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    All the stuff I care about syncs with the web (calendar, mail, notes+photos+voice memos app, task manager) so I don't much care about syncing with Linux.

    iPhone syncs with Google everything and my Google everything can then sync with Evolution.

    It's the first phone I've been able to get to do it that seamlessly, by the way. Others make all kinds of claims, but there are hiccups or unexplained issues or things just aren't updating or whatever.

    With iPhone, everything is in sync and I never have to "sync," and to me that's everything.

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  51. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by dissy · · Score: 1

    Actually I think you mistook the subject I was speaking of, however reading back over my post (and using the main article as context instead of just the parent poster, as I was doing when I wrote it) and I can totally see how I would be misread.

    I was not referring to the Apple vs Microsoft people nor THAT opinion being stated as fact.

    I was actually referring to the people who literally post to every research article and say the same "This can't be used to make money, so those scientist guys are wasting all their time and money", and to the ones who post to every article on any new piece of technology (Apple, Microsoft, Google, Billy Jim Bob Soft, _anything_) as "I wouldn't like that so this product is pointless and should not exist" and such.

    Personally I own and love my iPhone (jb of course), however most iPhone articles here are guaranteed to get a larger percentage of posts that *insert non-iPhone phone* is better and how it is... I have no complaint with opinions, and even don't mind (actually prefer) to know the weaknesses of the things I own.

  52. Shouldn't we ask why OTHERS are failing? by kklein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um. The iPhone is the only phone I've ever had that I didn't want to grind into the pavement with my heel. It's the only phone that I haven't actively hated. It's the only phone that was honest about what it could do well and what it couldn't do well. It is a great phone. A great phone.

    The iPod was the only MP3 player I've ever had that wasn't a total piece of cheapo plastic Chinese junk. For some reason Slashdot people seem to want to drag folders to their MP3 player, which is fine for them, I guess, but I, like most people, really like having a nice piece of software that facilitates syncing what I want where. This is especially important when I have multiple family members going off of the same library. Add a music store that is now great (having a good bitrate and no DRM), and I'm a happy camper.

    Whenever I see these bah-humbug posts about Apple's innovation, I just can't get my head around them. This is a company that--yes--has developed very little from scratch, but that's not the point. They've taken the theory of others and put them into useful practice. This is much, much harder. The phone I had before my iPhone had a way longer feature list, but many of those features were either such a hassle to use that I never did, or whenever I tried to use them, it crashed. In the iPhone, Apple created a phone that actually worked. In fact, they created one that "Just Worked," in a market where working at all was hard to find.

    It isn't fanboys who have propelled Apple to the top of the heap in the markets they've entered in recent years; it's average people who just know that their products work well and are easy to use. It's sad to say, but that right there is innovation in a world where companies often push garbage out the door that isn't really ready to go.

    Rather than deride the leader for not being technologically innovative, I wish people would scrutinize those who are technologically innovative, yet somehow manage to have their collective rear ends handed to them time and again by a company that skips a lot of the technological aspect in favor of QA and testing. What is wrong with everyone else?

  53. Pixel Qi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care what Apple does - I refuse to support their ultra-proprietary orthodoxy. The important thing that will happen in 2010 has little to do with Apple, and everything to do with Pixel Qi.

  54. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by leamanc · · Score: 1

    I'm 100% in agreement with you about how great the iPhone is for keeping everything in sync. I sync with MobileMe and my company's Zimbra server--it's so great how everything "just works" (to borrow a tired Apple cliche, but it's really true here. I've been through Treos, and a couple of HTC models (8525 and Tilt), and they were nightmares in this regard.

    But, it looks like you have no way to get music on to your iPhone (apparently not a big deal for you, and not for me either. I've got iPods for that). But what about firmware updates? AFAIK, there is no way to get them without tethering to iTunes.

    Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions...competent and thoughtful users are one reason /. still rules over Digg :-)

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  55. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    When I bought my phone (HTC Touch HD) it was somewhat more expensive than the iPhone 3G. I still went for the former because looking at the features and at the freedoms, iPhone sucked in comparison. I never regretted that.

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  56. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Though lately iMacs had great screens for the price. If you wanted to get the same panel "stand alone", it ended up at around the same price as whole iMac, supposedly.

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  57. Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for by nomadic · · Score: 1

    Oh definitely; as far as I can tell the 27 inch imac has a screen resolution you can't get in any other 27 inch monitors, anywhere.

  58. Firmware updates by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    don't excite me too much unless something seems broken.

    I haven't had a single dropped call since going iPhone (despite Slashdot conventional wisdom, and in comparison to my Centro which dropped calls all the time) and I haven't jailbroken my iPhone or anything so I'm not too worried about security until I see a story on it.

    I haven't worried too much about firmware.

    With that said, I did install iTunes in my existing VirtualBox XP installation and as far as I know I have the most current firmware.

    But it wouldn't worry me if I didn't and I don't sync often. I've done it maybe twice in a year, because everything is already "just working" and thus it doesn't occur to me to "sync" manually with iTunes.

    I already had about 4GB of the "most important" music from my Centro (which was on a 4GB microSD card in that phone) that went into the iPhone with the first sync. I'm old enough that I already "have" all of my music; I haven't made a music purchase/addition in years (I ripped them all and LAMEd them up maybe 10 years ago) and that's that, I have all I need.

    Despite the anti-iPhone rhetoric here, I've gone through a bunch of phones (Nokia models, LG flips, Motorola flips and smartphones, one Blackberry whose interface I wasn't in love with, and a series of Treos and a Centro) and the iPhone to me stands head, shoulders, knees, and toes above the rest for the "just use it and forget about it" factor.

    It is integrated into my life in a way that none of the others ever were. I was always TRYING DESPERATELY to integrate the others into my data and scheduling and navigation life (especially the Palm devices, which seemed to have so much potential) but it was a perpetually unfinished project that took hours of my time every month and that I was always having to babysit (delete duplicates, see why X and Y weren't syncing, remember to sync regularly, blah, blah, update all of my sync stuff when I upgraded my Linux distro, etc.) and within 2 hours of getting the iPhone everything was set up to work perfectly and has been working perfectly ever since, total integration with zero babysitting.

    I see people here saying "you can do all that with any phone" and all I can say is "Maybe YOU can, but I never could and I can with the iPhone and that's enough for me."

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  59. grudgingly... by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

    i have to agree. But here's my rant first. skip to the bottom to get to my point.

    my first experience with apple was in the public school system, i think we had apple II's. the interface was unwieldy and slow, there was no right click, i could navigate easier in DOS. Of course since then Mac's have improved, but the interface is still goofy. Easy there fanbois, i'm talking stock interface, not custom. The dock at the bottom is entirely useless, it doesn't close programs, only minimizes them, and doesn't display the active programs clearly at all. Plus the control bar (start bar, whatever) changing to the open program saves about 10 pixels of space, but takes extra hotkeys to return to the desktop and/or filesystem. This all on top of the fact that just about every aspect of the OS is held tightly under lock and key. So if you have any issues whatsoever with a program, your only recourse is to sit on it and spin. Give me Ubuntu or give me death.

    On the other hand, apple makes amazing hardware. The iphone is slick, solid state, and speedy for a phone, with a pretty much intuitive interface (not perfect, but it works well enough) Likewise, the macbook pro's are just about the best built laptops you can find, with the best balance of battery life, performance, weight, and the aluminum chasis is just sexy.

    If the tablet is even a fraction of what the rumors claim, (at least a multi touch, monolithic, solid state slate) it'll be a new market, and a huge one at that. I'll put up with apple interfaces if they keep delivering on the hardware.

    1. Re:grudgingly... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      The dock at the bottom is entirely useless, it doesn't close programs, only minimizes them, and doesn't display the active programs clearly at all.

      This is by design. If you really want to close something, command+Q will usually do it, and so will right-clicking on that icon. And I beg to differ -- it's clear, if you know what to look for, it's just very small and not intuitive, because it's not the point.

      In fact, the Windows 7 bar seems to have stolen this idea -- the idea that when I want to go to Firefox, I don't care whether it's open or not, I just want to go there. But, if programs are mostly left open, it's usually going to be easier to switch to an open program than to re-open it. If you're low on RAM, there's always swap, at which point it really doesn't matter whether the program is open or not.

      Plus the control bar (start bar, whatever) changing to the open program saves about 10 pixels of space,

      I'm not really sure what you mean by this. If you mean the unified menu bar, I don't think that really saves much at all, but it is useful for other reasons -- for example, the fact that it's always flush with the top of the screen means you have a much bigger target, since you only need to find the menu horizontally, not vertically.

      By the way: I'm not a fanboi, and as I've said elsewhere, I don't like the Apple UI. But these things in particular have solid design behind them. I do agree with the other things you said.

      I'll put up with apple interfaces if they keep delivering on the hardware.

      I won't. And unfortunately, one thing they deliver with the hardware is lock-in, in that for whatever reason, Apple hardware seems to have some of the worst Linux support.

      So these days, I'll pay what's often literally half the price for a Dell with Ubuntu on it. Sure, I'll wipe the stock Ubuntu, but at least I can actually call support if something doesn't work -- at least I don't have to go over the hardware with a fine-tooth comb, making sure everything's supported.

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