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Ten Gadgets That Defined the Decade

Corpuscavernosa writes "As 2009 winds down and we try to come up with new and clever ways of referring to the early years of this century, there's really only one thing left to do: declare our ten favorite gadgets of the aughts and show them off in chronological order. It's arguable that if this wasn't the decade of gadgets, it was certainly a decade shaped by gadgets — one which saw the birth of a new kind of connectedness. In just ten years time, gadgets have touched almost every aspect of our daily lives, and personal technology has come into its own in a way never before seen. It's a decade that's been marked the ubiquity of the internet, the downfall of the desktop, and the series finale of Friends, but we've boiled it down to the ten devices we've loved the most and worked the hardest over the past ten years. We even had some of our friends in the tech community chime in with their picks on what they thought was the gadget or tech of the decade."

313 comments

  1. Obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Computer.

  2. XP and OS X? by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are Windows XP and OS X really "gadgets" though? When I think of gadgets I think of physical things, usually. Maybe I'm just out of touch with the times.

    1. Re:XP and OS X? by RichardDeVries · · Score: 1

      A non-physical gadget is a widget. So XP and OSX are widgets. Wait, I'm confused.

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    2. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh.... scuse me, but how or what did XP define? Maybe someone could shed some light on how XP represents such a leap ahead that it warrants being called a "decade defining tool"? Basically it's Win2k with more color.

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    3. Re:XP and OS X? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1, Funny

      I tend to think of a widget as more of a little (computer) desktop thing like a clock or calender. XP and OSX are really more like highly-evolved Widgets.

      Widgeotto? Widgeot, even.

    4. Re:XP and OS X? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      When I've heard "widget" used, it's usually in reference to a physical item, like a gizmo.

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    5. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It defined the end of the Win 9x line. For the first time most people's PCs became relatively stable. For those of us that were Linux or Unix users, it wasn't a big deal, but for the average user it was very significant. Windows XP, unlike the 9x line or Vista, focused more on being a stable operating system than being an application. After the optical mouse and the old 1980s Olympics game, it might be the best product Microsoft ever released. And for Microsoft, it was probably their hardest business decision: build an operating system that people won't feel they need to upgrade from or lose angry customers to Linux and Unix derived lines (like Mac OS X).

    6. Re:XP and OS X? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It defined the end of the Win 9x line. For the first time most people's PCs became relatively stable. For those of us that were Linux or Unix users, it wasn't a big deal, but for the average user it was very significant. Windows XP, unlike the 9x line or Vista, focused more on being a stable operating system than being an application. After the optical mouse and the old 1980s Olympics game, it might be the best product Microsoft ever released. And for Microsoft, it was probably their hardest business decision: build an operating system that people won't feel they need to upgrade from or lose angry customers to Linux and Unix derived lines (like Mac OS X).

      Win2k never happened.

    7. Re:XP and OS X? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, they don’t need to be physical. But they are definitely toys.

      XP for the drooling Playmobil playing retard.
      OSX for the gay hipster designer. ;)

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    8. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but the product that married the stability of the NT line with the flexibility and compatibility of the 9x line was Win2k. If any product deserves the "decade defining" title, it's Win2k. But not XP.

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    9. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Win 2k, like the rest of the NT line, was only targeted at businesses. The vast majority of PCs at the time of Win 2k were loaded with OEM versions of Windows 98 or Windows ME. Windows XP was the first of the NT line that was targeted at general consumers (and the computers were sold with Windows XP Home edition).

    10. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but the product that married the stability of the NT line with the flexibility and compatibility of the 9x line was Win2k. If any product deserves the "decade defining" title, it's Win2k. But not XP.

      The Win 9x line wasn't dead when Windows 2000 was released. Windows Me was released later. Additionally, Windows 2000 wasn't a consumer operating system. It was sold to businesses and power users. There was no home edition. Finally, I would say Windows NT 4.0 met the same requirements that you claim Windows 2000 met. With this in mind, both Windows 2k and Windows XP are only updated versions of Windows NT 4.0. The only significant difference is that Windows XP was sold to consumers with the home edition, while Windows 2000 wasn't. Thus, Windows XP made incredible market penetration and was the first time that most consumers had a stable Microsoft operating system. This is where its significance lies.

    11. Re:XP and OS X? by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      A non-physical gadget is a widget. So XP and OSX are widgets. Wait, I'm confused.

      Well, google calls their widget a gadget

    12. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think part of the confusion lies with the mixed expectations people had of Win2K. If you go back and read the press coverage of "NT 5.0" from before the announcement of WinME, it's easy to come away with the impression that NT5 would kill the 9x line. And given how history turned out, those people writing those press articles about the long term strategy at Microsoft pretty much turned out to be right. The only difference is that they ended up releasing WinME and decided to delay those promises for another cycle, or, NT 5.1.

    13. Re:XP and OS X? by X0563511 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Widget is a "window gadget".

      It really has no appropriate use outside of a UI... but yea, people use it anyways because it sounds cool.

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    14. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard old Mac users still call widgets desk accessories.

    15. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong. The term "widget" has existed for far longer than any real computer technology.

    16. Re:XP and OS X? by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMHO, Windows 2000 is the "unsung hero" of this. XP provided new window decorations, a DRM stack (Trusted Audio Path), activation (for non VLK copies), a few EncFS improvements (no need for a recovery agent, multiple users have access to a file), and shadow copies. However, it didn't change the game as in fundamental OS mechanics like moving from a DOS "shell" to a true 32 bit protected mode OS has done.

      Windows 2000 provided essentially the OS we are sitting on now on most Windows installs. The server side gave us Active Directory, IPSec, a decent privilege/ACL model mostly inherited from NT, user rights (user with versus without admin privs), decent crash protection (especially compared to 9x/ME). The workstation edition gave us a full 32 bit executables, additions onto a decent journaling filesystem, innate separation of users (versus the kludgy .PWL files from the 9x era), and so on.

      XP is a decent OS, and has weathered the test of time, and this by in its own right gives it mentioned, but it would gain recognition for being evolutionary, not revolutionary. Windows 2000 was revolutionary both on the client and server sides.

    17. Re:XP and OS X? by X0563511 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      [Citation Needed] Mr. AC.

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    18. Re:XP and OS X? by trickyD1ck · · Score: 4, Informative

      here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/widget

      Or, as Wikipedia has it: "An indefinite name for a gadget or mechanical contrivance, esp. a small manufactured item"

    19. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/widget

      Blend of window and gadget, coined by George S. Kaufman in his play Beggar on Horseback (1924).

    20. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. Sorry, but no.

      NT4 sorely lacked two core features that pretty much shot it for the consumer market. Namely, DirectX support past version 3.0 (IIRC) and USB support. Not to mention the fairly poor support for "legacy" products, i.e. products that didn't really care too much for MS programming standards, which basically meant that NT4 was entirely unsuitable as a game platform, which was (and still is) a core application for home PCs.

      Win2k offered all of that (nearly every game that ran on a Win9x machine ran on 2k) and thus was the first true blend between the NT and the 9x line.

      What I have to give you is that there was no "home" edition of 2k, which suckered far too many into using ME. This again, though, I blame on the way 2k and ME were perceived, especially by the relevant media who pictured 2k as the "office" system and ME as the "consumer" product.

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    21. Re:XP and OS X? by pegdhcp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      XP is the first product of MS that has computer professionals revolted when its End of Life announced, you know instead of usual celebrations...

    22. Re:XP and OS X? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Widget is a "window gadget".

      It really has no appropriate use outside of a UI... but yea, people use it anyways because it sounds cool.

      Is it not a common word in American? It's a common enough word in British (e.g. here used in a beer advert from the 1990s).

    23. Re:XP and OS X? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I dual booted Windows 95 (then 98SE) and NT4. With Win2K, I no longer needed 9x for anything - all of the games that didn't run with NT4 worked fine with 2K. Previously, the NT line lacked two features of the 9x line. One was PnP support, so installing and configuring devices was not particularly fun. The other was a full DirectX implementation (for NT4 it was often a release or two behind 9x and didn't have 3D acceleration support - my VooDoo2 provided 3D acceleration with OpenGL but not Direct3D in NT4).

      Windows XP added three things to 2K: a new theme, remote desktop (only in the expensive version, which cost as much as Win2K Professional), and product activation. As you say, the difference was that XP had a consumer version. In my opinion, one of Microsoft's biggest commercial mistakes was releasing (and bothering to develop) Me, instead of releasing a version of 2K without Active Directory support for home users.

      I ran 2K from NT5 Beta 2 until about 2003 (when I moved to OS X). It was the best MS OS that I used, although apparently Windows 7 is also pretty good.

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    24. Re:XP and OS X? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The same happened with 2K, but a lot fewer people were using 2K and by the time it was EOL'd upgrading to XP didn't seem so bad. If the choice had been between 2K and Vista, I expect you would have seen he same kind of revolt.

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    25. Re:XP and OS X? by squash_me_quickly · · Score: 1

      A widget can also be found in your beer can, if it's a Guinness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget_(beer)

    26. Re:XP and OS X? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It was used long before that in engineering, just meaning a non-specific item, a thingummybob. If machine A makes 10 widgets per hour and machine B makes 20...

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    27. Re:XP and OS X? by Boomerang+Fish · · Score: 1

      I gotta concur with this line of thought... Win2k, at least after a service pack or two, was and in my mind still is, the moment when Microsoft actually produced something that was stable enough for the masses but powerful enough for the office. I'll admit that Microsoft never marketed it this way, and thus 9x and ME lasted longer than they should have, but...

      For those who went to the trouble/expense of installing Windows 2000, and kept it current, XP was more or less ignored, until Win2k was finally put out to pasture.

      From a marketing standpoint, I understand why Engadget chose XP -- it was the first time Microsoft openly pushed the consumer market towards a "modern" OS... but this was a marketing decision, and not a technological one, as 2000 was everything the home user needed in stability and compatibility before XP even existed.

      We use Windows 2003 and Windows 2008 server editions at work, but I see no need to move from XP to 7 at home until games and home software solutions no longer support Windows XP. Even with MS's desire to put XP out to pasture at present, I don't expect to upgrade my home machines for at least another year...

      Re the Mac, though, I do have to give OS X props... "Classic" macintosh OS's gave the power user practically no ability to push the system to its limits without installing buggy, unsupported, likely to crash on upgrade hacks... As a power user, I hesitate to comment on OS X as a "consumer" OS (other than to say my Mom likes it), but as a power user, I can easily say OS X blows away anything Apple did previously. For Apple hardware, it was a game changer, though I admit I didn't use it until 10.3 and later, so I can't really comment on the earlier versions. And the ability to use most (though not all) open source/linux software with minor to no code changes is amazing -- I no longer use Linux on anything that isn't a server or my netbook (due to drive and memory size).

      Don't get me wrong -- I like the concept behind Linux, and I push for it for server solutions, but it is not a consumer OS... even with Ubuntu, with which i have a love/hate relationship with older hardware, it's not for the feint of heart. Most people want a system that just works... in that case, OS X (on Apple hardware) and Windows XP (though maybe 7 in the future) for intel/amd PC's. Ubuntu is fine, preinstalled... but on third hand hardware, cobbled together by hand, it's as buggy as Windows... and while a Power User can make Ubuntu work on said hardware, as a tech guy, I'd rather convince a non-power user to upgrade their hardware than spend the fruitless time it takes to cobble something together that works until they add something new or modify a system setting I told them to ignore... training people who don't "get it" isn't in my job description, and I'm tired of telling friends/family that I'm going to have to ignore them or charge them... it makes things difficult at the dinner table during Christmas :-)

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    28. Re:XP and OS X? by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      Actually, "windows gadget" is an example of a backronym.

      Similar to Packet InterNet Groper being a backronym for PING. However, the creator of ping says it was named for the sound a sonar makes and, since he wrote it, I'm assuming he would know what he named it after.

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    29. Re:XP and OS X? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fail, fail: First of all, plug and play is a standard feature of PCI, and NT4 couldn't support PCI to the extent that it does without it. Second of all, there is a secret but easy way to enable ISA PnP in NT4.

      NT4 is a gigantic piece of shit, and so is DirectX; Direct3D is an abortion which would never have happened if those assholes at 3DFX had gone with MiniGL from the get-go instead of going the egotistical route, and allowing their collective hubris to cause them to create a wholly new 3D API, something which was totally unneeded as well as undesirable at the time... or ever. OpenGL's slow pace was not a problem even then, as the full functionality of the 3DFX chip had analogues in OpenGL, including their much-lauded multitexturing support, in the form of SGIS_MULTITEXTURE — now an integral part of the standard as ARB_multitexture, but even then perfectly usable under its original, vendor-specific (and -derived) name.

      The biggest irony here is that you could, for obscene amounts of money, acquire 3D accelerators which operated under NT 3.51, especially including examples from 3D Labs. Most of the changes from NT 3.51 to NT 4 could have been made without making the single largest change, which was the merge of the Kernel and GDI memory spaces to improve graphics performance. But had the graphics accelerator revolution arrived sooner, that might never have even happened. Meanwhile, NT4's facelift could be faked trivially enough by appropriating the shell and required, upgraded DLLs from Windows 95 and slapping them onto NT 3.51. 3.51's biggest problem is its limited addressing, which prevents the use of filesystems larger than 2 gigabytes (among other problems.) In fact, NT 3.51 only has 4GB of virtual memory. But there seems no reason why these failings could not have been corrected without merging memory spaces that caused NT4 to be substantially less reliable than NT 3.51.

      In any case, curse you, Microsoft!, and a special shout-out to 3DFX: fuck you!

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    30. Re:XP and OS X? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Y'know, I'd never actually heard of "ping" as an acronym for that... I'd always figured it was a sonar ping... send out a ping to see if you can hear an echo from something.

      I guess it depends on which circles you run in. I grew up around boats and ships, with an uncle in the navy, and the first time I ever put on a SCUBA was when I was 9. It just never ocurred to me that it could mean anything else.

      It does surprise me that people think that everything has to be an acronym for something, though. Some things on the Internet are given a name because it's easy to remember, not because it stands for something longer. Google, comes to mind. As does its nemesis, Bing....

    31. Re:XP and OS X? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      And Windows 2000 was basically an evolutionary upgrade on Windows NT 4, which itself was an evolutionary step (and a much better UI) over NT 3. (NT4 was when they went from the Windows 3.x-style UI to a Windows 95-style UI)

      Most of what you could do with Windows 2000 could also be done in NT4 with all of the service packs applied, and NT4 supported fully native 32-bit binaries years before Windows 2000 was available. (which was why some NT4 32-bit binaries wouldn't run under 9x, but you could run 9x "32-bit" binaries under NT4)

      To find something that's actually revolutionary in a Windows release, you need to look at NT 3 (which didn't require an underlying DOS installation to run), or Windows 95 (which shifted from the Program Manager user interface to the Explorer interface with a taskbar and start button).

    32. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I can think of, is that prior to XP, Windows was behind everything else, but wa at least getting better, and Windows 2000 was their best attempt to compete, ever. With XP started the quality decline.

    33. Re:XP and OS X? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      NT4 Service Pack 5, which was released more than a year before Windows 2000 was released, reintroduced support for current versions of DirectX. USB support was added with an earlier service pack... SP3 if memory serves.

      You can't fault an operating system for not having support for technology that didn't exist when the operating system was first released. As long as support is later added, then you're doing fine. Or would you rather that I fault Linux for not having support for DVD drives, USB devices, SATA, Wireless networking, or sound cards more advanced than the SoundBlaster 16? After all, Linux didn't support any of those when it was first released. Who cares that they didn't exist yet? Linus should have been psychic and able to implement kernel support for all the hardware that could concievably ever be released from now until the end of computing....

    34. Re:XP and OS X? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      FWIW: NT has ALWAYS been a 32-bit native operating system.

    35. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 2000 came out in late 1999, so it does not qualify for this list.

    36. Re:XP and OS X? by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

      The things you list as "core features" are just addons and patches. Just like NT4, initially Win 9x didn't have USB support either, nor did it have DirectX.
      The real core difference between Windows 9x and NT is that Windows 9x is really just a DOS shell just like Windows 3 and earlier. Windows NT is an operating system.

    37. Re:XP and OS X? by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

      Wake up, 3Dfx is dead already. They got what they deserved.

    38. Re:XP and OS X? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      I thought NT3 wasn't pure 32-bit though... it was possible to run it on a '386 SX processor, and that's a pure 16-bit processor. :)

      But you're right... NT4 specifically required a DX processor, for 32-bit.

    39. Re:XP and OS X? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Many 3D chip companies like 3Dfx followed the Mini-GL approach simply because running Quake was the benchmark test of the time used by the game magazines - it wouldn't matter if your card supported 4, 8, 16 or 32 multi-texture units, the important thing was the frame-rate of Quake. A similar thing happened in the CAD market, with the benchmarks being based on Pro/E, SolidWorks and other packages.

      3Dfx became tangled in a legal lawsuit with Nvidia which lasted for several years and ended up with the liquidation of 3Dfx and a transfer of assets to Nvidia. The last time I checked, Direct3D is similar to OpenGL in that every gl prefix is replaced with d3d, but with more C++ objects to support triangle lists/strips.

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    40. Re:XP and OS X? by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      All this talk about the shortcomings of previous windows versions is making my head explode!

      As an 2000/XP user for the past 9 years, I had forgotten just how painful the past really was. 98/Me was awful, and these comments make me cringe just thinking about all the malware crap that I've had to deal with.

      Just recently I bought a tablet PC that came with Windows Vista Home Edition and it really made me a bitter person. I heard there is a tablet version of XP that would work in my case, but no legal way for me to install it. Vista is almost as painful as 98/Me; not only is full of quirks that XP didn't have, it has a completely new interface and new ways to handle common tasks and functions!

      I got a Win7 upgrade for my Vista machine, installed it in Virtualbox before completely migrating the rest of my system and it feels just as quirky as Vista.

      All these bitter experiences with Windows recently got me looking at Mac and I'm very impressed, enough to the point where I may actually pay the premium to buy Mac hardware from now on.

      I've had it with Windows. As soon as I can confirm that Ubuntu works on my tablet I'm going to switch. I just installed 9.10 on a friend's Sony Vaio laptop and it was easier than when I installed XP SP2 on that machine - Windows complained about all sorts of drivers missing for the Sony components, and to my surprise Ubuntu 9.10 worked right out of the box!

    41. Re:XP and OS X? by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      There was no home edition

      I hate to dredge up history for anyone who discovered computers after the introduction of Windows XP, but there was no such thing as "home edition" before that. There were "server" versions (as laughable as that distinction is) and no-suffix versions for everything else. "Windows 2000" WAS the "home edition", simply because it was not "Windows 2000 Server".

    42. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a "BEST" of the decade story.

      The dominant operating system for the decade was XP. It was on nearly every business desktop and home desktop.

      XP defined the decade the way disco defines the 70's.

      Don't they teach kids to understand context in reading anymore?

    43. Re:XP and OS X? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Wake up, 3Dfx is dead already. They got what they deserved.

      Is whoever is responsible for GLIDE dead yet?

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    44. Re:XP and OS X? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Widget is a "window gadget".

      It really has no appropriate use outside of a UI... but yea, people use it anyways because it sounds cool.

      Ooh, a real-life in-the-wild Retcon!

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    45. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Can we agree that NT4 required a service pack every time it was brought up to speed when it comes to DX, instead of having a DX package developed for it, as it was later with 2k? And that basically meant that it will not be useful in the consumer market where compatibility with contemporary games is one important feature when it comes to acceptance.

      And no, not having support for nonexistant technology is not a killer problem, if support for that technology is forthcoming when it becomes available. The USB support in NT4 was ... well, less than convincing. It was crammed in and not really too flexible compared with later systems. You will see the same with Linux versions before udev and dynamic devices became a standard. USB support was, at best, haphazardly supported. Much like it was in NT4.

      So the "blend" of the NT line and the 9x line was certainly not accomplished with NT4. That happened basically in 2k.

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    46. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      All fine and true, that's not the point, though. 9x was a very well liked system line in the consumer market because it allowed the use of older software that didn't care too much about "playing nicely", software that demanded exclusive and direct access to the system's resources, which was quite common for games these days, simply because circumventing the system and accessing hardware directly meant faster run speed, and that was critical to games in these days. The NT line up to v4 didn't really like that kind of behaviour and often simply refused to run this kind of software because it didn't play along the rules. A quite sensible approach from a security conscious point of view, but not what the usual home user who wanted to play his games wants. So 9x was, despite its horrible security and stability, the OS line of choice for customers who didn't need high stability and availability but performance and compatibility.

      2k was the first "NT line" product that could be used on gaming machines, i.e. the first true fusion of the 9x and the NT line back into one system. Before that, you had two distinct MS OSs depending on your demands. Personally, I'd call that something "defining".

      The question was originally why XP is seen as that "defining" product, when it did little more than what is now argued by some against the special position 2k has: Add features and gimmicks. XP didn't merge the 9x with the NT line. That's something 2k did quite well. Maybe it is seen as the system that merged them, considering that ME was released next to 2k for the consumer market, but let's be honest, ME is not a system that should be mentioned. Unless you plan to shed some really bad light on MS.

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    47. Re:XP and OS X? by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the other hand, the word "backronym" is an example of the twenty-first century tendency to benniferize things. This word blending is also sometimes known as a brangelinaism.

    48. Re:XP and OS X? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Simply because there was no suitable replacement available. At least no replacement that gave any benefits.

      When 95 was retired, 98 was out and 98 was heaps superior, especially the 98SE. Better Winsock support. Higher stability. Better driver support. It was like 95 was the prototype, 98 was the finished product. 95 was phased out when 98SE was patched to the level where stability and performance outmatched 95 by heaps. And there was much rejoicing.

      Then 98 was replaced by 2k (we'll omit ME here to protect the guilty). The fusion of NTs stability with 9xs compatibility. Again, 98 was phased out when 2k reached a good level of maturity and again, nobody missed 98.

      2k was replaced by XP. Native WiFi support. Nicer interface. Eventually even better performance. And again, by the time 2k support was cut off, XP had the maturity to be considered a worthy successor.

      That cycle was broken here. Vista was no "must have" upgrade. Yes, better (debatable...) security, but at a level that could easily be reached by third party tools. Aside of that, especially on the "user" end of the system, there was no "must have" feature that made Vista an instant darling of the users. Also, by the time XP was phased out Vista was by no means a mature, stable system that rendered XP redundant. There's still, even today, driver issues and compatibility issues.

      Anyone wondering why the professionals caused a riot when they were told XP is going to die and they should switch? To a system that's by no means a suitable replacement (yet)?

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    49. Re:XP and OS X? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      "21st century tendency"? Funny, I didn't know that words like "driveway", "masterpiece", and "pyromaniac" were invented in the 21st century.

    50. Re:XP and OS X? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...except Win2K wasn't actually sold to anyone.

      The only way you had it on your home machine is if you were a serious geek and
      specifically went out of your way to buy it for yourself. This is not the
      description of a "decade defining gadget".

      It's kind of like the Rio vs the iPod.

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    51. Re:XP and OS X? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      USB support was added with an earlier service pack... SP3 if memory serves.

      You might want to let Microsoft know about that... they seem to think it's not supported.

      I personally had a laptop with SP4 that routinely crashed when I inadvertently plugged in a USB mouse... so I know it was nowhere near as plug-and-play as in win2k.

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    52. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh.... scuse me, but how or what did XP define? Maybe someone could shed some light on how XP represents such a leap ahead that it warrants being called a "decade defining tool"? Basically it's Win2k with more color.

      Didn't it come after WinMe? Of course people thought it was a gigantic leap over tha POS...

    53. Re:XP and OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was possible to run it on a '386 SX processor, and that's a pure 16-bit processor.

      No, it wasn't. Both the 386 DX and SX were 32-bit processors except the DX had a 32-bit external bus and the SX had a 16-bit external bus. Both were capable of handling 32-bit programs and operating systems, although the SX was a bit slower.

  3. The iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    1. Re:The iPod? by Lershac · · Score: 0, Troll

      but the vertical integration brought about by itunes and the itunes store brought an end-to-end solution that average end users could buy and install and setup and USE to build a reliable library of music and media that they could take with them everywhere. That is what was revolutionary. It brought easy media management and library building to the masses all under one "roof".

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    2. Re:The iPod? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And none of that was there with the original iPod. It did, however, have a 5GB 1.8" hard disk, which was what defined the new market. Prior to the iPod, everything had either used flash (and only had up to about 128MB of space; enough for one or two albums) or used 2.5" hard disks (and been very bulky). The other novel thing about the iPod was the use of FireWire, which meant you could sync at a decent speed. Other players used USB (USB2 did not exist yet) and so were very slow.

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    3. Re:The iPod? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Whoosh. The sound of the joke going over your head.

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    4. Re:The iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, read Taco's original review of the iPod dork.

    5. Re:The iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

    6. Re:The iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

    7. Re:The iPod? by u38cg · · Score: 1

      One of my few remaining desires in life is to see Taco print that story out, stick it in a blender with a little water, and eat his words.

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    8. Re:The iPod? by grege1 · · Score: 1

      Except all that was done by Creative first - which is why the courts made Apple give them half a billion dollars. What Apple had was marketing

    9. Re:The iPod? by grege1 · · Score: 1

      http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/08/23/apple_to_pay_creative_100m_in_settlement.html The settlement is reported at $100, although no one knows for sure. I had a first generation Zen, with a 20gb HDD and firewire, and still have the next model with a 30gb HDD, but USB - and it still works. And I do not have one file locked by DRM, all my music came from my CDs and now DRM free MP3s.

    10. Re:The iPod? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      No it wasn't. The NOMAD had a 2.5" hard disk and a USB 1 interface. This was one of the reasons why CmdrTaco reviewed the iPod as having 'less space than a nomad. Lame:' The iPod used a physically smaller hard disk and so didn't get as much space. Later models moved to using the same 1.8" disks as the iPod and added USB 2. FireWire wasn't really an option for Creative because most of their target market didn't have FireWire. The first generation iPod was Mac-only, and all Macs had had FireWire for a while.

      Creative did have a menu-driven system like the iPod, but, having used both, I found the Creative version clunky in comparison. That was what the settlement was for (Creative patented the menu interface). All of the rest was done by Apple first.

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    11. Re:The iPod? by grege1 · · Score: 1

      My poorly made point was and still is that Creative created the concept. You are entitled to your opinion. Whatever size HDD the Nomad 1 had it was physically the same size as the 2 (I had both). The first iPods were of a similar size, but had a prettier rounded shape. Style was more important than function to the consumer. The Nomad I only had USB 1.1 as that was what existed at the time. They moved to USB 2 and dropped Firewire, because (as you said) that is what people then had. What killed Creative, apart from Apple's marketing, was jumping in too soon when the hardware was way too expensive. I am, and always will be, biased to not use iPods because I am a Linux user and Apple go out of their way to ensure their products will not work under Linux.All Creative players are plug and play with Amarok under Linux. Only some iPods will work, generally the older models. I still have a Creative, a Zen 32gb. I have added Sennheiser buds and it runs for 30 plus hours on a charge. I still way prefer it to my daughters iPod Touch. The Touch is way too big and clunky, it is a games machine that can also play music. I do not see anything special about a Nano - oddly a name used by Creative first as well.

  4. 360? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Really, the 360 as the video game console of the decade? The PS2 really changed things more than the 360 for the simple reason of the DVD player. Before the PS2 most people didn't have a DVD player, why switch? The VHS format was still going strong and while it was clear that DVD was the way of the future, most players were simply too expensive. Then the PS2 came along and changed that. Similarly, the PS2s library is -still being added to- giving it a pretty long shelf life. Of all the current-gen consoles the Wii defined and changed the decade the most, and one could argue that the PS3 changed more than the 360 did.

    Engadget's justification is rather lame

    but Microsoft's audacious approach to charging people to play online with Xbox Live Gold actually ended up as the console's greatest strength, and a key to its staying power

    Charging people wasn't its strength. Its strength was it was the one online service that didn't totally suck. Lets see, Nintendo's online service lets you play with friends if you send them a random string of letters and numbers as a "friend code", won't let you type messages on most games, oh and the one game that would have had online as a killer feature, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the online mode is so messed up because it compensates for lag on one player's end by making the entire match laggy for everyone. Yeah Nintendo sure raised the bar high. PSN is good, but has too many flawed features. For example, PlayStation Home. The idea is good, take human avatars to a new level, the implementation is flawed. It is nothing but ads.

    Engadget also manages to glance over the RRoD issue that plagued early Xbox owners.

    I mean, is Microsoft buying Engadget off? The 360 as the console of the decade? Hardly. The 360 as the console of this generation? Possibly. But not the console of the decade, not by a long shot.

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    1. Re:360? by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't even come close for this generation- its far behind the Wii in sales and in originality. Although I agree for the decade it has to be the PS2, due to its dominance last gen. Obviously written by someone with an MS hard on.

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    2. Re:360? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Engadget is rather lame

      Fixed that for ya.

      Seriously though, very little good ever comes out of engadget, their technical writing is an embarassment, making slashdot summaries look like fucking shakespeare. Not to mention they probably have one of the heaviest websites that I know of, how many megabytes am I supposed to download just to read some shitty article? It's basically all that is wrong with slashdot, distilled, then magnified.

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    3. Re:360? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

      But not the console of the decade, not by a long shot.

      There's still 23 hours left for the PS3 to outsell it! Go, fanboys, go!

    4. Re:360? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      At least Engadget does two things right. They keep their stories on one page and don't have a "wait 30 seconds to enter our site" like some tech sites out there.

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    5. Re:360? by TheLink · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Red Ring of Death may still be remembered well into the next decade.

      IMO that's about the most memorable and defining thing about the xbox 360 ;).

      FWIW, "exploding" batteries from various gadgets were rather more common in this decade than previous decades.

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    6. Re:360? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd rather wait 30 seconds to read something worth reading than waste 3 minutes on a page and later find out it wasn't worth that time.

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    7. Re:360? by dangitman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really, the 360 as the video game console of the decade? The PS2 really changed things more than the 360 for the simple reason of the DVD player.

      For that matter, the first Xbox was a lot more influential than the 360, because it was new competition for Sony. The 360 was just an incremental update.

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    8. Re:360? by Osty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't even come close for this generation- its far behind the Wii in sales and in originality. Although I agree for the decade it has to be the PS2, due to its dominance last gen. Obviously written by someone with an MS hard on.

      It really depends on how you measure it. By sales, the PS2 is definitely the winner, with the Wii a close second. In terms of innovation, though, the 360 had quite a bit more "firsts" than either of those.

      • Achievements and gamerscore. Whether you like it or not, people love this. It's completely e-peen bragging rights, but players gobble it right up. So much so that others have started doing the same thing -- PS3's Trophy system, WoW's achievements, Steam achievements, etc.
      • Downloadable games. XBLA has definitely been a killer app for the 360 since day 1. People joked that they were buying a $400 console to play a $5 game (Geometry Wars 2), but they still bought it. Sony and Nintendo were late to this, and initially focused only on back-catalog games (Wii's Virtual Console, PSN's PS1 games) while Microsoft came out of the gate from the very start with original new games. All three have dipped into the retro well to a certain extent, but Microsoft has done that far less than others. (I'm not mentioning Games on Demand since Sony actually did that one first -- full retail games available for digital purchase.)
      • Donwloadable content, demos, etc. A bit of an addendum to the last point, but the 360 was the first time you could download demos of games online rather than having to buy a DVD of demos. That single-handedly put several magazines completely out of business, since a lot of game rags relied on demo discs for subscriptions.
      • XNA and community/indie games. The Xbox 360 is the first console that you can legitimately (without hacking) develop homebrew games for without having to buy development hardware (like the Net Yaroze during the PS1 timeframe). Yeah, the PS3 had Linux (the Slim got rid of Linux support), but without access to the GPU there's not a whole lot you can do with it.
      • The 360 was the first console to add significant features completely via software. Video streaming (originally the Xbox could only stream Windows Media files), XNA indie games, installable games (optionally installable, unlike many PS3 games with forced installs), Facebook and Twitter, etc. There's surely more to come in the next few years, with Natal on the hardware side.
      • Streaming video and "owning the living room". Sony took the first step by making the PS2 a DVD player, but the 360 took it much, much further. The 360 is the best (only?) Media Center Extender on the market. It can stream most formats natively (and pretty much any format with a transcoding av server). It was the first console to have Netflix streaming (and still the only one to have a native interface -- the PS3 streaming disc is simply BD-Live trickery, and the native installed app is still a while away). The new Zune video store seems to defy reality with 1080p instant-on streaming that actually works.

      Of course there have been failures. RROD issues, backing HD-DVD rather than Blu-Ray, continuing to use the DVD9 format for games rather than HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, lack of HDMI on early console hardware, the hard drive as an optional component, no built-in wifi, etc. But to say that there's no innovation, or that they haven't moved the industry forward by huge strides, is just completely wrong.

    9. Re:360? by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you read the part about Windows XP being so great right off bat that people aren't switching to Windows 7? They seem to have forgotten about the fiasco before SP2 for Windows XP and how Firefox got its start around that time because IE was such an easy target and pop-up friendly. I really think Microsoft is a big client of theirs.

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    10. Re:360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not much of a fan of Microsoft in the gaming industry, but the Xbox 360 does seem like a natural choice, if a game console is to be included in this list. I certainly wouldn't include the PS2; the PS2 owes none of its success to its own merits, but to the sheer popularity of its predecessor (which was a relatively responsibly designed console, whereas developers wouldn't have subjected themselves to developing for the PS2, if not for its incredible market penetration). Albeit, the device did see a few sales due to its ability to play DVDs, but it's really not a very good DVD player (having some minor compatibility issues, and also being subject to wearing out rather easily). There were virtually always better DVD players available for significantly cheaper.

      What makes the Xbox 360 so remarkable though, is its use of the internet. The Xbox Live! framework was greatly expanded with the release of the Xbox 360. Beyond simply being an interface for online games, it also became a social network, and an outlet for all manner of downloadable content. Toss in its developer-friendliness, and Microsoft's penchant for trying to get everyone to develop for their own systems, and we're seeing an all-around impressive device.

      I don't really think that the Xbox 360 is the perfect console, but it really seems to take the direction that our old Atari game consoles started out on back in the 80's, and see it through to the end of the trail. It's a great example of a generic game console from an era of rapid technological advancement-- a better example than the other consoles released from 2000 to 2009-- the GameCube, the original Xbox, the PlayStation 2 & 3, and the Wii.

    11. Re:360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, is Microsoft buying Engadget off? The 360 as the console of the decade? Hardly. The 360 as the console of this generation? Possibly. But not the console of the decade, not by a long shot.

      You should check out the rest of the article....

      I remember the introduction of the iPhone like it was yesterday: Team Engadget was holed up in a dingy, smelly hotel conference room south of the Las Vegas Convention Center in the thick of CES while our then-Editor-in-chief, a guy called Ryan Block, had taken a quick jaunt up to San Francisco to cover Macworld live. I can't describe the feeling in that room, the feeling I had as I was preparing our iPhone announcement post -- my heart was pounding. It was as though we knew what to expect and had absolutely no idea what to expect at the same time. It's something I haven't felt before or since, and I think most of the editors here would tell you the same. For a device -- any device -- to create that kind of emotion in a room full of jaded gadgetheads is pretty amazing, and I'm honestly not sure we'll ever experience it again.

      Good. Lord. If you're going to cream all over Apple, keep it in the back room, not on the front page of a prominent website.

      I think that tops the choice of an Xbox 360 by a good margin.

    12. Re:360? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Simple solution: avoid Engadget to begin with. You'll never have to waste 3 minutes (at Engadget) again!

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    13. Re:360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one point I feel I must contest:
       

      "the PS3 streaming disc is simply BD-Live trickery, and the native installed app is still a while away"

      the native app exists, it's Microsofts contractual stranglehold over netflix that prevents it's release.

    14. Re:360? by Boomerang+Fish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If we're talking about a console that is defining where new consoles have to start and grow from, then I totally agree -- the Xbox 360 has set the bar for new systems in the coming decade.

      The PS2, however, made owning a console for gaming mainstream. Of course, this also occurred at about the same time that those of us who grew up with (or knowing someone with) a console became adults (that sounds weird, doesn't it?) so it's a hard call as to which was more influential -- the PS2 or our expectations.

      If you want to identify trend changers for the decade, I have to side slightly higher on the PS2 side. The Xbox 360, and to a lesser extent the Wii, with it's motion sensing apparatus and focus on non-traditional gamers, are definitely setting the stage for the future; but had the PS2 not been as popular and pervasive as it was, the Xbox 360 would never have seen the light of day -- high end gaming would have remained the province of the power-user computer owner, and not the run-of-the-mill joe sixpack wanting to do more with his TV.

      The PS3 was a disappointment -- it's a beefed up PS2 with newer/better hardware, but is a study in failed promises (lack of ongoing PS2 support, etc.) and lost opportunities to change the landscape... The PS2 defined a landscape... the PS3 is riding in that same landscape, while the Xbox 360 is expanding it.

      The PS2 set the console stage for 2000-2009. The next iteration of the Xbox, after considering the few things the Wii did right, will set the stage for 2010-2019. One could argue that it already does set that stage, but it's early enough I expect them to push the bar up soon, and that's what our children will be using as their measuring stick in 2020.

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    15. Re:360? by Late+Adopter · · Score: 1

      I don't know... I'm in pretty strong love with my 360. It gets online "right", not like you have an option at the bottom of a menu in 3 or 4 games, but rather that it's a natural and seamless part of the console itself, to the point where it feels like half a xbox when my ethernet cable's not plugged in.

      But why not the DS? It was around for more of the decade, and it also stroked my amazement at how simple and polished social gaming can be, with single-cart download play. And I would wager the DS is in a lot more households.

    16. Re:360? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      I know I am going to get blasted for this around here, but the Wii is MUCH more important that either the XBox360 or the PS3. It didn't do everything "right" (no hard drive was a bad decision), but it finally a console that isn't for the hardcore gamer. Not everyone feels the need to play a state of the art first person shooter, but there are quite a lot of people who like to sit down for the occasional party game or session of Guitar Hero. I think a lot of the long time, hard core gamers hate it that the plebeians are starting to walk on their turf.

    17. Re:360? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      I got a Wii because I fell in love with it and it's party-style gaming atmosphere.

      I got a PS3 because it plays games I like (syphon filter/COD) as well as being arguably the best BluRay player available on the market today.

      I've NEVER wanted an Xbox (except maybe for MechWarrior). Maybe I'm just not the hardcore gamer.

    18. Re:360? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The fact that you need an ethernet cable says it all. Nobody has ethernet in their living room. Had they fully thought out their console, they would have given it wireless networking.

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    19. Re:360? by wtfbill · · Score: 1

      Unless, that is, the decade, century, and millenium actually started in 2001. In which case, this whole discussion is a year premature

    20. Re:360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is still a year left in the decade for the PS3 to outsell it.

    21. Re:360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, do you have 28.8k modem? Jeezus

    22. Re:360? by Osty · · Score: 1

      I got a Wii because I fell in love with it and it's party-style gaming atmosphere.

      The Wii has just a handful of good party games (Wii Sports, Boom Blox) that aren't also (and better) on other platforms (Rock Band, Guitar Hero). The motion control of the Wii is very much a gimmick, and has been as much frustration as fun for most people I've played with (yes, I have a Wii). The Wii has done very well at selling itself to a "mainstream" audience, but that audience buys it for the pack-in Wii Sports and rarely buys anything else. Not really good for Nintendo, since you want a constant stream of game sales for profit. My Wii pretty much gathers dust these days, as does the Wii of everybody else I know with one.

      I got a PS3 because it plays games I like (syphon filter/COD) as well as being arguably the best BluRay player available on the market today.

      That was true about the PS3 being the best BluRay player ... in 2006-2007. The current crop of standalone players are much better than the PS3. They're cheaper, with better video quality, and with full BD-Live support (the only reason the PS3 was initially better, since it was updated more often). If you're in the market for a BluRay player today, units from Oppo, Samsung, etc are much better than the PS3. (yes, I also have a PS3)

      I've NEVER wanted an Xbox (except maybe for MechWarrior). Maybe I'm just not the hardcore gamer.

      Behind the times much? There hasn't been a new MechWarrior/MechAssault game on the Xbox since 2004, and that was the Xbox 1. There's supposedly a new one coming for PC and 360, but a release is still TBA.

      Also, you play COD. I think that counts as a "hardcore gamer". And Modern Warfare 2 on the 360 outsold the PS3 by nearly 2 to 1. If you're at all into multiplayer, your experience is simply going to be better on 360 due to more people available to play with.

    23. Re:360? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Just pointing out that XBLA existed on the original Xbox too, although it didn't really take off until the Xbox 360 came around.

      Also, the original Xbox had a HD and network adapter as standard equipment. Frankly, I think it was a more innovative device than the Xbox 360-- the 360 is an evolution, but the Xbox was a leap forward.

    24. Re:360? by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      I think that if everyone set aside their fanboyisms, they will see that the Wii is the game console of the decade, not the 360. No other console has expanded the audience of gamers like the Wii has. Previous generation of gamers have Wiis and now so do normal people. I'd use to come to work and say, I got the new Mario Kart and people would think, "Who cares?" Now I hear from others that they recently purchased the new Mario Kart and its fun. Wii brought games to the mainstream.

    25. Re:360? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > If we're talking about a console that is defining where new consoles have to start and
      > grow from, then I totally agree -- the Xbox 360 has set the bar for new systems in the coming decade.

      Utter nonsense.

      This is evidenced by the fact that both Sony and Microsoft are trying to copy the Wii at this very moment.

      The Wii redefined the gaming experience.

      It also pushed gaming outside the domain of "comic book guy".

      Both the Wii and DS have a much better claim to the title "decade defining gadget".

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  5. Put the gadgets in the summary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey Slashdot, when we get stories like this, just list out the gadgets from the article in the story summary that you submit to slashdot.

    No one reads the article half the time. And usually, (not the case here) the story is split up among 3 or so pages, with the last page just a page of ads or links to other stories.

    So, slashdot, what do you say? :D

    1. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by thenextstevejobs · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll bite

      Since you cant be troubled, the list is as following:

      Rock Band

      Tony Hawk: Ride

      Wii

      Wacom tablet

      iPhone

      Johnny 5

      UTF-8

      The Internet

      Debian Etch

      RIAA universal communication surveillance

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    2. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by _merlin · · Score: 1, Funny

      WTF are "Johnny 5" and "Debian Etch"? If I'm too lazy to RTFA, you shouldn't expect me to have to look up what the items on the list are. ;)

    3. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you got me to click TFA link anyway

    4. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by Lershac · · Score: 1

      for someone with a relatively low slashdot member #, they are going to kick you outta here for not knowing what debian ETCH is or Johnny 5

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    5. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by _merlin · · Score: 1

      I know what they are - I was trying (unsuccessfully) to go for a funny mod by playing on the practice of complaining about not defining terms in summaries.

    6. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or does Wall-E look like Johnny 5? Ohh, the eyes ...

    7. Re:Put the gadgets in the summary! by IICV · · Score: 1

      Honestly, that list is ten times better than the one in the actual article. Xbox 360 defined the decade? Seriously? OSX and Win XP are gadgets? What the hell is wrong with you guys?

  6. Ralax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Relax, man. You need to go easy on that Apple kool aid.

    >>I mean, is Microsoft buying Engadget off?

    You must be joking. They are the second biggest apple suckers - gizmodo takes the honor.

  7. GPS by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the last 10 years, portable GPS navigation has become ubiquitous in cars.
    They're so cheap nowadays that I got one as a gift.
    I'm sure there's one that could be pointed to as the breakout device.
    /I still have in the car paper maps for ~5 States

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    1. Re:GPS by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Well, at about the same time both Garmin and TomTom started making easy to use GPS systems for use in cars, so I'd imagine it would be harder than you would think. I sure don't remember any single model that everyone started to have.

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    2. Re:GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this should be expanded to electronically-aided navigation. The now-ubiquitous google maps is a creature of this decade. As a someone who only started driving in 2000, I honestly don't know how people found their way to new places before it came about.

    3. Re:GPS by DarkTempes · · Score: 1

      Paper maps, AAA triptiks, asking questions of people and then later mapquest.

      Google Maps wasn't an especially novel idea in and of itself, it was the implementation that made it notable.

    4. Re:GPS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Maybe because neither Apple nor MS made one yet?

      Let's be honest here, take a good look at the list and ask yourself why it's so Apple and MS centric? I can see iPhone and iPod, but the G4? XP? 360? Decade defining? C'mon...

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    5. Re:GPS by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      ...and I agree about the G4 - no one thinks about the 2000s and goes "Ah yes, that was when everyone used Mac G4s". Even if one is taking an Apple-biased view of the decade, the G4 is a dead end, with the move to Intel.

      Let's have a look at the size of that RDF:

      the titanium PowerBook G4 stands as one of those pivotal moments in Apple design history -- a moment when everyone (even non-fanboys) had to take notice

      Jesus - seriously? The author of this article needs to get a grip on reality, and get a sense of perspective. Not everyone has the same view, or sense of importance, of whatever 10 gadgets he personally liked.

    6. Re:GPS by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      In the last 10 years, portable GPS navigation has become ubiquitous in cars.
      They're so cheap nowadays that I got one as a gift.
      I'm sure there's one that could be pointed to as the breakout device. /I still have in the car paper maps for ~5 States

      GPS is also notable for the fact that it absolutely won't be a defining gadget of the next decade. While predictions are always hard, and I can't be very specific about what will be the gadget of the next decade, I expect that GPS technology will become so common in cars, phones, shoelaces, etc., that it completely recedes from concious thought as a significant feature. Already, GPS isn't a very big selling point for a phone any more than "man-portable", or "has an antenna." Because almost nobody will specifically buy a GPS unit, the technology is likely to become so onmipresent that nobody cares about it.

    7. Re:GPS by howe.chris · · Score: 0

      The fact that my mom has one in her Ford Focus should say something. Just avoid Tom Tom. Tom Tom almost got me mugged mugged after I borrowed mother's car during a recent visit.

    8. Re:GPS by howe.chris · · Score: 0

      I think the first centrino laptop is more revolutionary. (Maybe just marketing). Also when Apple put Intel (inside) that was a much bigger step. Suddenly you could dual boot Windows and OSX. Windows users could switch and still use Windows when they need to.

    9. Re:GPS by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      They're so cheap nowadays that I got one as a gift.

      So... you only buy cheap gifts?

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    10. Re:GPS by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Google's implementation isn't even terribly notable either.

      They are well thought of now simply because Mapquest squandered their mindshare with a disasterous update.

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    11. Re:GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See little grasshopper, before 2001, people actually wasn't LCD-dependent-brain-death-spoiled-good-for-nothing-and-helpless-leeches

      ZOMG!how did Marco polo even left Venice (the one right next to australia amirite) without an iPhone LULZROFLLOLMAO!!!

  8. The iPod didn't come of age... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    ...Until this portable media player reached the 4G iPod (20 and 40 GB hard disk model) and the iPod mini (4 GB hard disk model) in 2004. These were the first iPods with the modern Click Wheel interface only and full USB 2.0 interface support.

    Interestingly, it's been said the best-sounding of the iPods are the 2G iPods nano and 5G/5.5G iPods with the Wolfson DAC chip. Mind you, the current "6.5G" iPod classic (120GB/160 GB), 4G/5G iPod nano and the 2G/3G iPod touch overcame some of the early issues with the Cirrus Logic DACs and they too sound quite good.

    1. Re:The iPod didn't come of age... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple stole the iPod UI directly from Creative's MP3 players.

    2. Re:The iPod didn't come of age... by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      A) USB 2.0 can choke and die. Firewire 400 is leaps and bounds faster, and was present on pretty much every Mac sold at the time. You do remember iPods were for Macs only at the beginning, right? And then there was a special PC version, before they were unified into a single line?

      B) My 2nd Gen 20GB has a non-spinning wheel surrounded by 4 "compass rose" buttons. How is clicking the wheel itself that different from clicking the buttons at the very edge of the wheel?

      I love my 2nd Gen iPod, unfortunately the hard disk died about 2 years ago. RIP

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  9. The list by xaosflux · · Score: 5, Informative

    Canon Digital ELPH (2000)
    Apple PowerBook G4 (Titanium) (2001)
    Microsoft Windows XP (2001) / Apple Mac OS X (2000)
    Apple iPod (2001)
    TiVo Series2 (2002)
    Motorola RAZR V3 (2003)
    PalmOne Treo 600 / 650 (2003 / 2004)
    Microsoft Xbox 360 (2005)
    Apple iPhone (2007)
    ASUS Eee PC 900 (2008)

    1. Re:The list by sznupi · · Score: 1

      So, there are three phones there and Nokia 1100 is not among them?! You know, the most popular...no, not only phone. The most popular single type of consumer electronic device in the history of mankind.

      Though perhaps writers have really taken into heart the distinction between tools (1100 isn't much more than that) and gadgets...

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    2. Re:The list by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And in the meantime, the USB flash drive was completely missed out. (credit: denzacar)

      Am I too poor to buy the above items, or is this list a mismatch to most of our experiences?

    3. Re:The list by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for posting the list. Unfortunately it only made me want to read the article to see what the hell they were thinking.

      First of all, I think they were wrong by narrowing down things to specific models. That led to three of the spots being taken up by cell phones. This should have been a list of what types of gadgets defined the decade. After reading all the posts here, and thinking a bit about it, here's what I've come up with:

      Digital Cameras - No more having to get your film developed, though this did lead to the downfall of Polaroid. And the digital camera was made possible because of...

      Flash Memory - Both USB and cards, this allowed a lot of storage in a small space with low power requirements. The idea goes all the way back to Star Trek, though it took a bit longer to become reality than automatic doors. This also enabled...

      iPod Nano and flash MP3 players in general - While disk-based players were pretty revolutionary on their own, flash memory players were small, had no moving parts aside from the controls, and had much better battery life. In a package smaller than most TV remotes, you can store hours of music with enough battery to play it most of the day.

      The Xbox - The Xbox was the first game console with an Ethernet port built in. In an era when broadband was rapidly becoming important, none of the other consoles of the day had built-in Ethernet. The worst was that the Dreamcast's Ethernet module was canceled as soon as it was released, making it rare as hell, and it also wasn't supported very well. Xbox Live set standards on how a game console should interact with the internet, and the current generation of systems all have some kind of online support. The Xbox also started the trend of large amounts of storage in a console with its now laughable eight megabyte hard drive.

      DVD - Killed off tape as a format for pre-recorded video. Video tapes and players will wear out with use, but a well-cared-for DVD will last forever. "Be Kind - Rewind" is sooo '90s. Sorry, Sony fanboys, Blu-Ray is nowhere near as much of an improvement over DVD as DVD was over VHS.

      Tivo and the DVR in general - Killing off tape as a format for video time-shifting, thanks to digital video compression, big hard drives, and regularly updated schedules. And, oh yeah, it can pause and reverse live shows and skip commercials. DVR use is now an important part of television ratings.

      Wireless Networking - WiFi freed us from needing a wire to connect to the internet. This helped with the rise of...

      Laptops - This was the decade in which laptops took over from desktops. They range from netbooks (which themselves haven't quite become a fixture of the decade) to enormous desktop replacements. But they couldn't have been so important without...

      Cheap LCD displays - Sure, they were around in the '90s, but they were small and expensive. Making them big and cheap has led to the near-extinction of the CRT, and the only people crying are graphic artists who appreciate the color precision of CRT and people who like to play gun games on old video game consoles. They've even been killing off the plasma display.

      Cell Phones - More specifically, handheld cellphones. They've made the pay phone nearly extinct. Nobody noticed when the pay phone went up to 50 cents a call.

      DSL/Cable Modem - Hey, my list goes to eleven. DSL and cable modems freed the internet from the analog phone network. Always connected, and sometimes even with an assigned fixed IP. I've had fixed IP DSL since early 2000. This basically killed off the dial-up BBS overnight. The much higher speeds, combined with MP3 audio and MPEG video, made first Napster, then Bittorrent possible.

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    4. Re:The list by b1t+r0t · · Score: 1

      (correction: the Xbox had an eight gigabyte hard drive)

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    5. Re:The list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Digg, the first gadget in the list, is the Apple notebook with NO keyboard! They missed it from the list!

  10. Not Another Top Ten List ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sure hope that Slashdot isn't turning into Digg .....

    1. Re:Not Another Top Ten List ... by plover · · Score: 1

      I sure hope that Slashdot isn't turning into Digg .....

      Don't worry about it. At the end of the year *everybody* produces "Top X lists." It's just a tradition.

      Humans have had annual traditions since we started recording our history. Early traditions revolved around the harvest and the hunt, and those remain strong even today. Other cyclical traditions have grown, too: using the New Year as a time for reflection upon the past, celebration of the present, and planning and hope for the future. Top Ten lists are a common, if not-very-creative, way of looking back.

      But if on February second Slashdot posts "10 best images of the groundhog seeing his shadow" , yes, it's become Digg and we should all just leave.

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  11. Top 10 failed reviews? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Less space than a Nomad. No wireless. USB. Lame.

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    1. Re:Top 10 failed reviews? by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's Engadget, give them a break. They only used four Apple products on that list, it could have been MUCH worse.

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  12. Some of them are pretty cool by fermion · · Score: 1

    The Titanium powerbook was pretty cool, but looks absolutely dated now, like the tail finned cadillacs. I still believe the razr was a very good design. The only issue was that if one used the flip to answer option, the early models did not allow a caller ID. The hinge, though, was very sturdy and I was not able to break it over years of use. Not so for the often plastic sliding mechanisms on the modern slide phones. The draw back was that we still had to enter phones numbers by hand, little synch with the computer. In those terns, the palm treo was a better deal, but the integration of the 'smart phone' was simply not up to speed at that point. The huge size just did not justify leaving the tiny razr behind

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    1. Re:Some of them are pretty cool by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      The Treo was the perfect combination of Smartphone for it's era - the problem was that much of what made it powerful (call recording, voice memo, DateBook+, Butler, LauncherX, Music, TCPMP) were all 3rd Party addins and not built-ins like Android or iPhone/iTouch. PalmOS was the limiting factor here. The hardware itself was simply astounding at that point in time.

    2. Re:Some of them are pretty cool by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Apparently the ones that were locked to the carrier couldn't do it, but my unlocked Razr happily synced with my powerbook/mbp via bluetooth, including contacts. I could even use it with Salling Clicker as a remote control. The text messaging via the computer didn't work though.

  13. Gadgets by cbuhler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometime in the mid-90s the guy I was training and I were having a discussion about the future of technology while we were driving down the road in rural south Texas. I had a bag phone and an IBM Model 70 portable (lugable). He had a Zarus. We both carried pagers. A big part of the conversation was about how someday, we wouldn't need to carry all that crap just to do our job. We both knew that someday all of this stuff would be a single device. Just not a clue what that device would be or how it could work.

    Today, about 15 years later, we still work together. I carry a Palm Treo and he has a iPhone. Different job, but mostly do the same thing, just not consultants anymore. I don't think either one of us could do our job without these gadgets. The ability
      to ssh into our systems is key to our jobs, and it doesn't really matter what device we use anymore. The gadgets are getting to be more than just a convenience for both of us. They almost define our function in the job. Even if we're out of the office, we still take care of issues, now, not when we get back.

    The gadgets have raised expectations for a lot of positions. If I still worked like I did back in the 90s, people would be waiting either until I got there, or got where I could hit a phone line and modem. Now, with the internet (ultimate gadget) and a smart phone, I can fix most problems at 70mph running down the road (as a passenger, of course, not going to break any laws, ha). And that's become almost an expectation.

    So, yes I kind of see this as the decade of the gadget, but the gadgets mostly control us.

    God help us all.

    1. Re:Gadgets by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The big thing about being an admin now, is that time is critical. One security exploit left unpatched for just an hour on a server facing the internet could be compromised. If something as small as a fileserver goes offline for an hour that could mean one hour that a lot of people, not just one or two, can't do their job. Back in the '90s, if the computer was down most people would just shrug and work on the things that didn't require the computer. Today there is very little that doesn't require a computer in an office setting. Entire meetings can be done over video conferencing, bills can be paid online, even trivial errands people might be sent on can be done over the internet. Most offices, schools, hospitals and even homes simply can't function without the internet today. Every bit of down time is now mission critical.

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    2. Re:Gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, yes I kind of see this as the decade of the gadget, but the gadgets mostly control us.

      God help us all.

      Couldn't agree more.

      I often wonder whether these gadgets which have changed all our working and personal habits have also had the nasty side effect of adding pressure to our daily lives : work has gotten faster and solutions and expected to be near instantaneous, personal life as well ( "I'll call you when I get there" has replaced the old "we'll meet at 10am sharp" ), and you're expected to be able to fix a work problem when on vacation because of/thanks to your Blackberry.

      Maybe I'm getting older, but I sometimes feel that technological progress is only, well, technological.

  14. trinkets or tools? by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you said the 80's I'd say Rubik's Cube, Simon, and other toys. If you mean useful tools and not just novelties, the 80's is when the PC became more than just a hobbyist device. You had early brick cell phones but they truly came into their own in the 90's. Likewise, laptops went from being novelties to useful and only became more awesome in the 00's.

    I think setting a round number to meet is kind of dumb. What if there weren't ten notable devices?

    I think that the ipod and iphone are probably the most significant devices but not just for what they are but for what they presage. Ipod's music on the go is nice but Apple breaking into the music industry and becoming a major distributor has a far greater impact on the landscape. Iphone put a crack in the usual walled garden arrangement of US carriers and is showing competitors how to do things. Handheld computers have been around for ages but the ipod/phone is bringing us to the point at which there's enough market saturation to change the way we do things.

    When I was a kid, only us geeks had computers. You went to school and you looked for other freaks and outcasts. That's where you were likely to find other computer people. And we used computers for the usual geeky stuff, socializing over BBS, playing games, and being geeks. With the arrival of the internet, non-geek households started getting computers. And the early social scene really sucked in the rest of the youth audience. By the time I was in college, everyone had their own computers. And the more ways there were to socialize on them, the more popular they got. Yeah, in the past you had phreakers who were into phones for the tech of it and you had teenage girls who spent just as much time on the phone but only for gossiping with friends. Still, the phone had an impact on society, the way people live.

    I bring up the social sites because the phones are providing as much functionality on them as a standard computer. And all of this is having an impact. A lot of people in my age range are going without cable tv, they can download whatever they want to watch. They are dropping landlines since the cell does everything they need. Traditional media channels are going to get boned. And all of this will have a cultural impact.

    I can shop on my phone. I can download podcasts, videocasts, tv shows, music, books, audiobooks, access the net, and this is only the beginning. I think we're seeing the beginning of the destruction of mainstream media. Yeah, many have made that call before but I see it happening. Change comes with the youth and ends when the old generation dies off. AM radio is on its last legs. I don't know anyone who listens to FM radio anymore, not anyone under 50. MTV continues to be a joke and sets no trends anymore. Authors are cutting deals directly with Amazon to publish on Kindle. Podcasts and videocasts are gaining wider audiences and network/cable television continues to flounder with their broken advertising model. The shows may have a huge audience but the Neilsen ratings cannot account for it. This is why Family Guy got cancelled only to shock Fox by being a top-selling DVD of all time. They had no idea the kind of reach that show had and brought it back.

    Everything I'm mentioning above I think is setting the stage for uncontrolled culture. It took big bucks to fund mass media back in the day. Now any yabob on Twitter can reach an audience in seconds that would make William Randolph Hearst get wood. And the cost? Nothing! They say never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel. How much worse does it get when the electrons are free?

    Now it's possible that the audience won't fracture that much. Give kids free reign in a supermarket to eat anything they want and you know they're heading to the candy section regardless of how well the veggie section is stocked. Give the masses unfettered access to all media and they might end up gravitating back to the old celebrities or create new celebrities who will take the place of the old. It might still be possible to shape and mold public opinion as easily as before. But I have a gut feeling things could turn out differently in the 21st century. If the 20th century was defined by mass media, the 21st could be defined by what comes next.

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    1. Re:trinkets or tools? by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think we're seeing the beginning of the destruction of mainstream media... AM radio is on its last legs. I don't know anyone who listens to FM radio anymore... Podcasts and videocasts are gaining wider audiences and network/cable television continues to flounder with their broken advertising model.

      I doubt it. What's happening is that podcasts and internet media are becoming "the mainstream media" - we only need to see what has happened to slashdot over the years to see how easy it is for the alternative to be subsumed into the mainstream.

      It will all come full-circle, and FM radio may become the bastion of non-mainstream media with community stations and the like, while podcasts and online streaming come to epitomize corporate big media.

      This is why Family Guy got cancelled only to shock Fox by being a top-selling DVD of all time. They had no idea the kind of reach that show had and brought it back.

      Yeah, there's some decidedly non-mainstream media right there... wait, what?

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    2. Re:trinkets or tools? by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 1

      Your "full circle" comment makes no sense. Broadcasting is inherently "mainstream" or "corporate" because it requires a big transmitter, and therefore a centralized gatekeeper, a bottleneck. Podcasts and streaming just require a personal computer and a free account on some site. That model fundamentally encourages the exact opposite of mainstream publishing. Large media corporations may pick it up too, but that doesn't cause the medium itself to become inherently mainstream.

    3. Re:trinkets or tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is that there is a HUGE barrier to entry to FM radio in the US. Not due to technological reasons, but licensing. Combine this with the fact that most radio stations are essentially MP3 players with less than 100 songs from a list that ended in 1995, and one realizes that FM is essentially dead. It used to be that "rock" stations have new stuff all the time. Now, if you come across a "rock" station, they *might* have one hour or so late on a Friday night where you actually hear something made in this decade. Otherwise, its just the same bands as were played when people were racing their Firebirds in the late 1970s.

      There is is just no reason to listen to FM radio, unless you are lucky enough to find a station that plays new music in the genres you like. A smartphone can get you the weather report, store enough music to last you a trip, and even stream stuff you forgot to download if you live in a country lucky enough to get Spotify. If you want radio, you can pay $50 for a standalone unit or a dock for your iPhone from XM Radio.

      I'm not sympathetic to the FM radio stations either. They don't have to go cheap and license the same 100 songs as the guys down the road. Instead they could actually take a risk and actually contribute to the music scene in a city, which radio stations used to do before the FCC deregulated things.

    4. Re:trinkets or tools? by Foolicious · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, only us geeks had computers. You went to school and you looked for other freaks and outcasts.

      This was where I stopped reading your post. Maybe the rest was good. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe I'm an idiot. Maybe I'm not. But that was where I stopped reading it.

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    5. Re:trinkets or tools? by ewe2 · · Score: 1

      I can see where you're going with this. But money is still the barrier to media entry. If they can, they'll invent a way to keep control of the culture. I always use DAT as my example. We could have had this superior technology go mainstream years ago, but the content controllers smelt danger, and only recording studios could afford them. Now of course anyone can produce high quality media, but the fences being erected now are different. We have copyright, DMCA, Trusted Computing, HDMI, and good old money to prove that the old guard still got it bitches. Most of the media we're using for community content are money bitbuckets, in the red and unlikely to change. It's becoming much more the individual success story until the media landscape hardens again and we get a new oligarchy of mindshare. That's just the way we white niggers are.

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    6. Re:trinkets or tools? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I think that the ipod and iphone are probably the most significant devices but not just for what they are but for what they presage. ... Iphone put a crack in the usual walled garden arrangement of US carriers and is showing competitors how to do things.

      Well that explains why, out of the US, we wonder what the fuss is about. FWIW, it's been that way outside of the US long before the Iphone turned up late, and it doesn't define anything this decade.

      Indeed, the only walled garden we see is the Iphone itself, with its locked down nature, lots of useful functions disabled unless you hack it, and only being allowed to run apps from the Apple store.

    7. Re:trinkets or tools? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I still listen to FM radio, but pretty much only because I prefer it to silence for my time in the car. I drive a 1990 Toyota. I'm not sure if it's tape deck works but I don't own any tapes to try it with. I used to use an FM tuner with my iPod but the iPod got stolen a few years back and I haven't bothered to replace it. Most of my driving is to work and back which amounts to twenty minutes a day. So listening to the radio for a little bit isn't bad and so far hasn't warranted me swapping out the stereo for a better one I have sitting in my room.

      I haven't bothered to get a smart phone either because I'm so rarely far enough away from a desktop computer that it'd be worth the price. In fact I find carrying the cell phone I do have so annoying that I avoid taking it with me whenever I can.

      Oh yeah and I'm only 31.

    8. Re:trinkets or tools? by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid, only us geeks had computers. You went to school and you looked for other freaks and outcasts.

      This was where I stopped reading your post. Maybe the rest was good. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe I'm an idiot. Maybe I'm not. But that was where I stopped reading it.

      Why? Sensitive much?

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    9. Re:trinkets or tools? by melf-san · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      tl;dr

    10. Re:trinkets or tools? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Your "full circle" comment makes no sense. Broadcasting is inherently "mainstream" or "corporate" because it requires a big transmitter, and therefore a centralized gatekeeper, a bottleneck.

      But there re many community and college radio stations that aren't run for a profit, and are even anti-corporate.

      Podcasts and streaming just require a personal computer and a free account on some site.

      So, it becomes more individual. Which is not always a good thing. It doesn't encourage community. Yes, radio stations do require people and resources to run, and that enhances the community-building aspect. Plus, radio reaches places where internet connectivity is almost non-existent.

      That model fundamentally encourages the exact opposite of mainstream publishing.

      Not necessarily. A single person running a podcast doesn't mean they won't pander to a mainstream market for the broadest appeal.

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    11. Re:trinkets or tools? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      But the US is not the only place in the world that has radio. And even in the US there is community, college and non-commercial radio, that don't play the same old playlists. You need to broaden your thinking.

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    12. Re:trinkets or tools? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      It will all come full-circle, and FM radio may become the bastion of non-mainstream media with community stations and the like, while podcasts and online streaming come to epitomize corporate big media.

      This is nonsensical. You might as well say postal mail will become the cheap, fast communications method, while e-mail will become the expensive, slow method...

      Webcasting requires a $100 PC and ~$15/mo for an internet connection (both of which you may already have) to support a dozen or so listeners.
      AM/FM broadcasting requires a large antenna, relatively expensive high-power transmitter, etc.

      The college radio stations your so quick to point to have the money to invest in these things because they're getting paid by students who want to get into the professional world of radio broadcasting... Once the profit goes away, the college stations have no reason to exist, and no way to pay for themselves, even with employees who will work for free.

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    13. Re:trinkets or tools? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      This is nonsensical. You might as well say postal mail will become the cheap, fast communications method, while e-mail will become the expensive, slow method...

      If anything is nonsensical, it is your comment. Email is inherently faster than snail-mail. There is nothing about the medium of transmission that makes radio inherently corporate, or podcasting inherently non-corporate.

      If anything, radio is far more accessible without corporate intervention, as it doesn't require expensive or complicated technology, doesn't require one to subscribe to a corporate ISP, etc. It's not even particularly difficult to build your own radio from components. Compared to radio, internet-based delivery requires a lot more corporate middlemen.

      Webcasting requires a $100 PC and ~$15/mo for an internet connection (both of which you may already have) to support a dozen or so listeners.

      So? how does that imply a non-profit motivation? How does it mean better quality independent media, or a more community-oriented media?

      In case you haven't noticed, public radio stations actually tend to have charters of ethics, and are founded on the basis of the public good, while there is usually no such commitment on behalf of individual podcasters.

      Once the profit goes away, the college stations have no reason to exist, and no way to pay for themselves, even with employees who will work for free.

      So, how do you explain the numerous other independent, community and public radio stations that don't exist to make a profit in any way?

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    14. Re:trinkets or tools? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      There is nothing about the medium of transmission that makes radio inherently corporate, or podcasting inherently non-corporate.

      Yes there is. It's called MONEY. See: "barriers to entry".

      So? how does that imply a non-profit motivation? How does it mean better quality independent media, or a more community-oriented media?

      It can be sustained with far less capital. It is cheap enough that damn-near anyone can participate. It can easily stay under the radar and go unnoticed by those who may be interested in stopping it. etc.

      So, how do you explain the numerous other independent, community and public radio stations that don't exist to make a profit in any way?

      There certainly AREN'T numerous community radio stations, unless you're counting school-based efforts in there once again.

      The non-profit stations (eg. NPR) simply use the PBS model, which requires both corporate and private sponsorship (rather than traditional advertising).

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  15. Dude, it's on my phone. by khasim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And it will find the nearest Starbucks for me and tell me if they're open.

    Yeah! Why isn't GPS on that list?

    1. Re:Dude, it's on my phone. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Which came first: The GPS enabled cell phone or the standalone GPS Nav unit?

      GPS is in cellphones because the standalone market turned the chip into a
      commodity item and showed that there was a very strong demand for portable nav.
      The cellphone manufacturers also got a push from the post-9/11 E-911 mandate.
      (It was cheaper for them to include GPS in every phone than to update their infrastructure)

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    2. Re:Dude, it's on my phone. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      (It was cheaper for them to include GPS in every phone than to update their infrastructure)

      Well, that's what the CDMA players believed, but the GSM guys went to DTOA and are getting quite good resolution where there's any significant number of visible cells. Then again, just try controlling GSM

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  16. TiBook by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Informative

    Engadget mentions that the TiBooks solidified the presence of the widescreen display in notebook computers.

    This isn't particularly accurate or true, as the TiBook's screen was only slightly wider (1.5:1) than the standard 4:3 (1.33:1) aspect ratio that has been ubiquitous on NTSC TVs and computer monitors for decades. These laptops appeared fairly square and unremarkable.

    For whatever reason, the 15" aluminum PowerBook appeared a bit wider, particularly in the final generation of the model, although the aspect ratio evidently stayed the same. The 17" version always had a wide screen (1.6:1), although all of these fell short of the cinematic 16:9 (1.77:1) ratio also used in 1080p displays.

    The 12" PowerBooks always had a 4:3 display, and were IMO some of the most impressive laptops Apple's ever produced, as they were the first laptops to successfully cram a full-featured machine into a tiny chassis without any major compromises. I might be biased, of course, as I'm typing this comment from one such machine -- even for an Apple product, the 12" Powerbooks retain a cult-like following.

    If you wanted to ascribe any one model for being a forebearer to widescreen laptops, you'd have to go with the 17" Aluminum powerbook, the MacBook, or any of the PC industry's less-successful early experiments in this field.

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    1. Re:TiBook by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Its Engadget though, they probably think that Apple invented the smartphone, multitouch, the trackpad and any other useful inventions.

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    2. Re:TiBook by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Its Engadget though, they probably think that Apple invented the smartphone, multitouch, the trackpad and any other useful inventions.

      Apple may not have invented everything, but they've got a pretty impressive record at taking inventions, turning them into desirable products and marketing the hell out of them and then being copied mercilessly by the rest of the industry.

      The G4 "Ti" Powerbook, at the time, certainly felt like a departure from traditional laptop design and while at 15:10 the screen may not have been 16:10 or 16:9 it was still wider than the then-ubquitous laptops. (I think 16:9 is a bridge too far for general-purpose laptops, anyway).

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  17. One killer "gadget" by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one killer "gadget" of this decade is price. Everything is cheap. Back in 1999, even a cheap desktop would have cost you a lot of money. Today, you can buy a new desktop with HDMI out for $200. You can buy a cheap laptop for $300, or less if you catch a good sale. An iPod touch that would have cost you over $1,000 back in 1999, now is a typical Christmas gift. HDTVs are now cheaper than their standard def tube equivalents were. Storage is now dirt cheap, back in 1999 1 TB of HD space would have cost a lot of money, yet now many desktops ship with that much. RAM is cheap with a gig of RAM costing no more than $15. Software is even cheaper, back in 1999, your choices were either to buy (or pirate, but again, it being 1999 it was a lot harder to pirate it than it is now) Windows, or get an expensive Mac. Today, you can have Linux which is actually easy to use and detects most hardware quickly and easily. Torrent sites are also a killer "gadget", the ability for decentralized downloads have made things much easier to download than back on shady Usenet groups. Openness has also shown to be a quickly rising killer "gadget" with an explosion in open or simi-open phones such as Android, WebOS and even Symbian is opening up.

    I think the 2000s will be remembered for cheap (in both meanings of the word) tech.

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    1. Re:One killer "gadget" by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cheap is not new. Cheap already was part of the whole economy deal when Japan started cranking out cheap knockoffs of quality products in the 50s and 60s (yes, before they took over the electronics edge they essentially copied everything and flooded the market with cheap, in both meanings, copies).

      The 2000s will be remembered as the decade of "nothing but cheap", though. Because even the "quality", brand named, products are cheap. Dropped from the same sweatshop conveyer belts than the cheap generics. Back in the 60s, you had the choice, going for cheap and knowing it will break apart in a few months, or investing into something with quality. That option does not exist anymore. Everything is basically cheap crap. The price difference does not mean that the product itself is of higher quality. At best, it means that your hassle when trying to get it replaced when (not if) it breaks down is less.

      The 2000s will be remembered as the decade of throwaway electronics, with nothing of lasting value. And why not? By the time your cheap crap croaks the next gen version is here already anyway.

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    2. Re:One killer "gadget" by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you also have survivor bias for older products. I'm sure in 2040 we will say that X brand made great TVs/Computers/Games because we see some surviving. In reality though, the stuff from the 60s that have broken down has long been replaced or forgotten. Today though, even the failing of one little thing is blogged about and tweeted.

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    3. Re:One killer "gadget" by Opportunist · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Now, I read few blogs and don't read twitter at all, but I have my share of electronic appliances, from entertainment to functional, i.e. from TV to washing machines. And when I look at the development, it's not really something that could convince me that the longevity stays the same.

      I had an old brand TV. Good piece of equipment. Ancient, truely ancient. Manufactured in 73. It lasted until the early 90s. Then I bought a new one when it finally was beyond repair (it had two repairs, first time in the early 80s and then again in the early 90s shortly before I threw it out, I admit that much). That one lasted a decade. Currently, I'm the proud owner of a (brand) TV bought in 2002 that looks now like I have some sort of night vision view (read: every color but green crapped out, and that green looks more grey than green... seriously, it looks like a view through night vision goggles).

      Now, I'd like to replace it with something that lasts me another 5+ years. I'm willing to pay for it, but I guess no matter what money I am willing to invest, I won't get anything that will last 5+ years.

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    4. Re:One killer "gadget" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Should we send a thank you note to the cheap Chinese (and other) workers in those Gulag-like factories?

      P.S.: It’s so stupid. If the products were so expensive, that people there could live at a high standard, then they could buy so much stuff that by selling them that stuff, we could afford those expensive products anyway.
      There was an interesting study, that showed that an economy can be in two stable states. The high standard and the low standard (of living) one. And the important part was, that for both states, the economy and businesses ran just as well. There was no difference from their p.o.v.
      But prepare yourself, because according to the study, we are headed for the lower stable state, and it’s very hard to get out of there once you’re in it. (Well, technically we are definitely already in it. But it can still get even worse.)
      I don’t get why business people don’t get this simple rule: The more you pay your employees, the more they will be able to buy! I guess it’s short-term greed. It takes time for it to come back. Even if it is more profitable in the long run, short term greed seems to win...

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    5. Re:One killer "gadget" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Cheap, fast, good. Pick any two.

      Also worthwhile is the drop in quality in consumer goods. Even back in 1999, it wasn't uncommon to send a hard drive in for repairs instead of just buying a new one. When labor is $75/hr and parts only come from the authorized ($$$) dealer, you just throw away anything that breaks, and a lot of stuff breaks.

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    6. Re:One killer "gadget" by zlogic · · Score: 1

      Actually, pirating Windows is much harder now. In 1999, you only needed to enter a serial number printed on the pirated CD's packaging, now you need to make sure the software doesn't find out it's pirated during updates.

    7. Re:One killer "gadget" by ickleberry · · Score: 1

      You can still buy good quality stuff, but most people would rather spend the money on a crappy product and a slightly improved crappy product in a few months time.

      People tend to go for the latest gimmick - you could buy a ruggedised phone for about $400 or a ruggedised "smartphone" for a few $100 more and it will work out cheaper as long as you're not too pushed about having the latest version. Not everyone is, and not everyone needs to be.

      The next gen version is not necessarily better in any way - it wasn't that uncommon over the past few years that 'next gen' versions of mp3 players and the like had dropped removable storage and batteries in favour of having everything permanently built in and non-replaceable. You could also buy a $170 ultracapacitor flashlight that is designed to last 100 years but most people would compare it against a cheaper, lower quality and slightly brighter light that runs on a proprietary lithium ion battery and chuck it out when the battery goes bad.

    8. Re:One killer "gadget" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Now, I'd like to replace it with something that lasts me another 5+ years. I'm willing to pay for it, but I guess no matter what money I am willing to invest, I won't get anything that will last 5+ years.

      Buy used from a friend who's upgrading, if you can, or from someone else who isn't moving, otherwise. Get a guarantee, however brief, that will provide you sufficient time to return anything you can't afford to eat; three days ought to be acceptable to almost anyone unless they're trying to make their rent or something. I consider it enough to know where they live, but I'm big and have big friends. :p

      A certain percentage of everything will fail, but a certain percentage of almost everything will live (barring disasters like that whole counterfeit electrolyte thing.) Buying used helps you weed out the early failures. It also gives stuff a chance to stink in someone else's house; I've had some poorly-washed electronics that were nauseating until they aged. I actually returned a blender to kmart, I forget which but a major brand, because when I unpacked it and set it on the counter I almost puked from the smell of the vinyl. I may be a little more thentitive than average (not least because I'm also asthmatic and this kind of thing can trigger an attack... so I have built-in revulsion to produce avoidance before an episode) but the case had clearly not been adequately washed after manufacture. I usually try not to take in high levels of VOCs before breakfast.

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    9. Re:One killer "gadget" by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I had an old brand TV. Good piece of equipment. Ancient, truely ancient. Manufactured in 73. It lasted until the early 90s. Then I bought a new one when it finally was beyond repair (it had two repairs, first time in the early 80s

      So in other words, your first TV lasted ten years or less before it needed repairing. The second one lasted ten years (did it need repairing before that?) And your current one after seven years is in need of repairing.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure this is compelling evidence of any dramatic change, or indeed any change, especially when we have such a small sample.

      Now, I'd like to replace it with something that lasts me another 5+ years. I'm willing to pay for it, but I guess no matter what money I am willing to invest, I won't get anything that will last 5+ years.

      On what evidence do you base this claim?

    10. Re:One killer "gadget" by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Cheap, fast, good. Pick any two.

      Humbug. Advancing technology can give us all three at once. I'll take a $200 digital camera today over any camera that existed 10 years ago at any price.

      And yes, I still have a Canon SLR from the 70s, and a Canon S100 Digital Elph (released May 2000), and they both still work, but it's a moot point because I haven't bothered with either in years.

    11. Re:One killer "gadget" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      poorly-washed electronics

      There is something wrong with that phrase. It's too early, I've only had two cups of coffee in me and really shouldn't be posting at all, but there is still just something not right with that combination of words.

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    12. Re:One killer "gadget" by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      It only works if everyone does it. If you are the only business in a market selling at high prices and compensating your workers well, whereas all your competitors are selling at low prices and not paying their workers very much, then you will go out of business and the prevailing supply and demand relationship will not change.

      So long as there is competition, all businesses will attempt to win by lowering costs and reducing overheads (i.e. wages). It isn't greed, it is just the necessary logic of how business competition works.

    13. Re:One killer "gadget" by melf-san · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enought, LCD drawing tablets are still expensive :)

    14. Re:One killer "gadget" by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry, didn't want to bore with details, but if you insist...

      That second TV was repaired after about 6 years and finally died to a power converter failure where the repair fee would have surpassed the price of a new TV. My current one was in repairs 2 years into its life (no picture) and then again 5 years into its life (no channel change possible).

      Yes, I get my electronic stuff repaired. As long as you know someone who can do that (it's not like TV repair shops still exist...) it's cheaper than a new one. Also usually less hassle.

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    15. Re:One killer "gadget" by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      "On what evidence do you base this claim?"

      Graph the data. 10, 10, 7. Connect the dots. You see what I see? That's right, hockey stick.

    16. Re:One killer "gadget" by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      We have elevated the idiot to godlike status. No one is expected to think
      about anything anymore. Nevermind about RTFM. People shouldn't be expected
      to actually know what they want or figure out what product gives that to
      them.

      That's why n00bs are in awe of your results if you actually put some though
      into your own gear. You end up with something cheaper and better (and sometimes
      even EASIER) and improved results that even the n00bs notice.

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    17. Re:One killer "gadget" by toddestan · · Score: 1

      You can still get modern TVs repaired? Pretty much any TV I've seen that's built in the past few years is clearly not meant to be taken apart, and even if you get inside the thing you'll find there's nothing to it - basically one circuit board that does everything and whatever (tube/panel) that is used to generate the picture. Granted, there's a pretty decent chance that it's dead because of shitty Chinese capacitors, but if it's not that then good luck figuring out how to diagnose and fix it.

    18. Re:One killer "gadget" by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The 2000s will be remembered as the decade of "nothing but cheap", though. Because even the "quality", brand named, products are cheap. Dropped from the same sweatshop conveyer belts than the cheap generics.

      No. There are still quality products (and they, too, are rather inexpensive).

      What's happened is that it's now a minority of the market, as retailers like Wal-Mart keep pushing for cheaper and cheaper products, to hell with quality. Best Buy, Target, etc. followed suit, though often not to the same extent.

      Indeed, it's the retail space that has changed. When looking at Home Depot for a refrigerator, I found an Americana ("by GE") for $399 and was astounded at how poorly it was designed. Sure, it minimally worked, but there was a lot of unusable space, the shelving was bare bones, and the whole thing felt very weak. Note, this was just a short while after my last Magic Chef refrigerator (also from Home Depot) failed just out of warranty... it was also a poorly designed and built piece of crap. After this, I drove a bit further out of my way to the nearest Sears, and found a very well-built, and infinitely better designed Kenmore refrigerator for the same $399, which has lasted a long time, and still shows no signs of having any issues. The difference? Simple: Home Depot keeps pushing for cheaper and cheaper crap, which they can sell at the same prices, making more profit on every unit. Sears is pretty clearly making slightly less profit on the deal, and insisting on good-quality products.

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  18. Playstation 2 = Gadget by WarpedCore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think what bothered me with the 360 making the list versus the PS2 is the fact that Engadget editors measured the 360 based on Live, which is a service, NOT a gadget. Gmail was awesome, didn't make the list... neither did DropBox or a bunch of other ways to communicate data. The Dreamcast pioneered the whole console gaming internet thing a bit earlier in 1999 before the PS2 literally nailed the last piece in its coffin in 2001. Microsoft merely took the online idea and threw more money than Sega had to make it happen. Microsoft merely took Sega's evolutionary dead-end and sparked it back to life. PS2 should get honors for standardizing DVD playback, moving forward game based storage to DVDs, and generally offering a baseline standard for what "next-gen" should of been back in 2000. Wii... should get an honorable mention because Nintendo took a dated and... well not a hot selling platform (GameCube) and MacGuyver'd it into something that would sell and drive Nintendo back into a profitable home console platform. The DS came in the wake of the dying PDA craze in 2004 before multi-touch. The pen/stylus setup probably was a risky direction to take since... say the Sony Clie was pulled out during the same time. DS proved that touch-based inputs could work for a massive audience... sparked the direction the Wii took. Today, we have Microsoft and Sony trying to catch up with their motion based interaction setups. Apple and other handheld makers have introduced touch-capable devices on everything under the sun. DS was engineered by people that liked neat things and this happened to be a hit. I mean, TWO screened handhelds seemed a bit unrealistic too. The DS success made Sega's VMU and Nintendo's GBA-GC two screen system link ideas feel like they didn't go to waste. Supplemental screens work if they're designed in every system.

    1. Re:Playstation 2 = Gadget by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      And also, Live sucks. The only reason why MS can get away with charging for it is because the competition, well, sucks even more. Between Nintendo's brain-dead approach to online gaming (no one wants to talk online right? and everyone can remember a "code" that is about as complex as an MD5 hash right?) and Sony's "lets have promising ideas and fill it only with ads!" approach. MS's is the only one that hasn't turned into a complete suckfest yet.

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    2. Re:Playstation 2 = Gadget by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I mean, TWO screened handhelds seemed a bit unrealistic too.

      Hmmmm... they didn't seem unrealistic when we played with them in the 1980s.

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    3. Re:Playstation 2 = Gadget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this list is that they make their selections based on a specific model/brand of gadget. Instead of xbox360 I would've just said 'online gaming consoles'. The list itself is very flawed and was probably concocted within a drunken stupor.

  19. The decade isn't over yet! by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dammit, people. The decade runs through 2010. 2001-2010. Next year is the end of the decade. Not this year.

    1. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Hungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      2000 was so last millennium also, but welcome to post modernity where 10 "gadgets" include 12 things: 2 of them were not in this decade (OS X and Canon Digital ELPH) and 2 are not even gadgets (OS X and Win XP).

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    2. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by originalTMAN · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're a hardware engineer, aren't you. :)

    3. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Osty · · Score: 1

      You're a hardware engineer, aren't you. :)

      Nope, software developer. But I know when to do 0-indexed counting and 1-indexed counting. Since there was never a 0CE, years count from 1. Kinda like VB arrays vs. everybody else.

    4. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by thenextstevejobs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So you consider 1990 to be part of the 'eighties'?

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    5. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of us live in the common world, not pedantic land. Get over it.

    6. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you're being pedantic and not even correct. The reasons centuries and millennia are starting with the year xxx1, is that they are numbered ("the fourteenth century", "the third millennium"). Because they are numbered, they have to start on a year that actually existed, 1CE generally, or any multiple of 1000 /100 on top (+) of that.

      No one numbers decades. If we did, it would be OK to call this decade the 201st and make it start on Jan 1 2001. But in reality, we don't number them, so we can make them start anytime, the simplest being to apply a 'floor' function.

    7. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      A new decade ends and begins every second. We're celebrating this one because it's a double digit change on the odometer. What's your problem?

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    8. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, it was the tenth year of the ninth decade of the twentieth century.

    9. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Moredhel27 · · Score: 2, Informative

      not entirely ... that interpretation is strictly based on ordinal numbering, which isn't necessarily valid here decade simply refers to 10 consecutive years while it does make sense to use ordinal numbers to denote a decade the most common and easily understood usage for a 'decade' is the collection of years with the same tenth ie, 60's, 70's etc

    10. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by alberion · · Score: 1

      A new decade ends and begins every second. We're celebrating this one because it's a double digit change on the odometer. What's your problem?

      That is true, but then again, if we must be pedantic about it, since a decade can be any 10 year period, they should specify which decade they are referring to.

    11. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by alberion · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is pedantic. But not incorrect. Now comes the real pedantic part: If you say the best of "the decade" you are implicitly referring to the current decade as counted from the first one until now. The same goes to "the century" and "the millennium". It is correct to refer to the 80's as the period from 1980 until 1989. Every one of those years really belongs to the 80s. Buts. as you said, the first year of our calendar was 1. There was no year 0. This makes the first decade go from 1 to 10. So, it is correct to say that the [current] decade will end next year. It really makes little sense to start on year 1 if you think about it. They wanted to mark the birth of Christ as the start of the calendar, but they made it in a way that by the year 10, Christ was 11. If you ask me that was a major fail.

    12. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by alberion · · Score: 1

      Speaking about fail... I meant that by the year 10, Christ was 9.

    13. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 1

      no, at 25 dec 10 he became 9 years old

    14. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by alberion · · Score: 1

      Yes, my bad.

    15. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dammit, people. The decade runs through 2010. 2001-2010. Next year is the end of the decade. Not this year.

      2001-2010 is a decade. So is 2003-2013. Or 1998-2007. However, the decade generally means a set of years such that floor(year/10) is constant for all years in the set. Or, as the New Oxford American Dictionary says in one of its definitions, "a period of ten years beginning with a year ending in 0".

      Yes, I know, you are going to say something about there being no year 0. That has no relevance whatsoever to how we choose today to group our years into a disjoint set of decades.

    16. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? So all the decades go from xxx0 To xxx9, except the first one, which went from 1 to 10? So the year 10 was in two different decades?

      We're only entering the 2010th year now. When it's over, the decade will be over.

    17. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 1

      No, I am not saying that. I am saying decades are not numbered, so the concept of "first decade" is not relevant. If they were numbered, you would be right. Decades don't follow the rules of centuries or millennia, there is no canonical numbering. Technically, Jesus was (by convention) born in 753 Ab Urbe Condita, in "the fifties", but even that was not relevant at the time, as it was then known as the year of Consul X and Consul Y.

      The decade is over tonight, JFGOI.

    18. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The decade that runs from Jan 1, 2000 through Dec 31 2009 is ending in less than a day.

      But I've already celebrated the end of the decade... the one that ran from Dec 31, 1999 through Dec 30 2009. It was one heck of a new-decade party last night, let me tell you!

    19. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're a hardware engineer, aren't you. :)

      No - if he was he'd understand about appropriate precision and wouldn't be arguing about a +/-1 year error on a datum point only known to the nearest 30 years or so...

      Also, there may not have been a "0 AD" but, equally, there wasn't a 1AD, 2AD, etc. - at least not that people knew about at the time - since the numbering system wasn't devised until the sixth century.

      So while you've worked out that a Roman coin with the date "52 BC" is probably a fake, I'm afraid your special souveneir "review of the noulghty-noulghties" edition of the i>Galillee Times dated "AD 11"is a bit iffy, too...

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    20. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      everyone is pedantic on some level and it's necessary in life.

    21. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roman coin with the date "52 BC" is probably a fake

      Nice reference to Encyclopedia Brown.

      Still, I think you are going a little overboard.

    22. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      So the year 10 was in two different decades?

      The year 10 was in ten different decades (assuming we are requiring decades to include an integral number of years).

    23. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decades aren't necessarily aligned with centuries, unless by "century" you mean something like "the nineteen hundreds" instead of "the twentieth century".

    24. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You do realise that any 10 years is a decade? The year 10 in fact belongs in ten decades - as does any year.

      But traditionally people group the years into blocks that run X0-X9, probably because it's easy to say things like "eighties" and "nineties". This is the "naughties", which is 2000-2009.

      If you want to run your own article next year for 2001-2010, no one is stopping you. But that's got nothing to do with this article, which has nothing wrong with it regarding the years chosen.

    25. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Let's think - it's dated 30th December 2009. They start off with "As 2009 winds down and we try to come up with new and clever ways of referring to the early years of this century, there's really only one thing left to do: declare our ten favorite gadgets of the aughts"

      Sure they don't explicitly give the dates, but which decade do you think they refer to? February 2nd 1943 to February 1st 1953, perhaps?

    26. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are counting from one to ten you start at one and end at ten.

      News at Eleven.

    27. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Graff · · Score: 1

      Actually, 2001-2011 is a decade. 2001-2010 is 9 years. The grandparent was referring to the fact that if you start counting the decade at the first day of 2001 then you have to go to the first day of 2002 for it to be 1 year. Thus, 10 years is from the first day of 2001 to the first day of 2011.

      Now as for the reason why we should start counting at 2001 instead of 2000. The problem is that there is no year zero in our calendar. We go straight from 1 BC to 1 AD. This means that the first decade is from 1 AD to 11 AD. Follow that forward and the current decade starts in 2001. It does have relevance to how our decades are chosen.

      Can we choose a different way to count the decades? Sure, just say that 1 BC was the start of the first decade and then the end of that decade would be 10 AD. It's a little less obvious of a starting date but it's just as valid as any other. For that matter we could throw out the whole artificial idea that groups of 10 years are any more relevant than groups of 9 or 11. In the end all this is just a contrivance that caters to our decimal counting system.

    28. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Graff · · Score: 1

      Just another note, part of the confusion is the fencepost problem. If I say 2000-2010 how am I counting the end years?

      1. Do I count from the start of the first day of 2000 to the end of the last day of 2010?
        That's about 11 years.
      2. Do I count from the start of the first day of 2000 to the start of the first day of 2010?
        That's about 10 years.
      3. Do I count from the end of the last day of 2000 to the end of the last day of 2010?
        That's about 10 years.
      4. Do I count from the end of the last day of 2000 to the start of the first day of 2010?
        Thats about 9 years.

      Obviously most people use method 2.

    29. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      By your definition then 1980 was not in the eighties, whereas 1990 was?

    30. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is a simple case of mixing concepts.

      A decade is a period of ten years. This is a clear cut de jure definition.

      The eighties or the nineties or the 'x'ies is a perioed running from 1980-1989 or 1990-1999 etc. This is a de facto definition based upon popular consensus.

      The definition of when the eighties start has nothing to do with when the Gregorian or Julian calendar began. It is merely a popular way of describing a commonly understood time period.

    31. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      So you just gonna ignore the reply you've already gotten to this point?

      "If you say the best of "the decade" you are implicitly referring to the current decade as counted from the first one until now. The same goes to "the century" and "the millennium". It is correct to refer to the 80's as the period from 1980 until 1989. Every one of those years really belongs to the 80s. Buts. as you said, the first year of our calendar was 1. There was no year 0. This makes the first decade go from 1 to 10. So, it is correct to say that the [current] decade will end next year."

      Your response to this post only pointed out the fact that he got Jesus' age wrong, and you even managed to respond a full seven minutes after he corrected himself! You didn't actually refute anything, and even continue to argue your points. Why? You trollin bro?

    32. Re:The decade isn't over yet! by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, but then what is the point of a statement like: "We're coming to the end of a decade."? Aren't we every year?

  20. Say what? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    If you had found me right after I'd installed OS X Public Beta for the first time in 2001 and told me how dramatically the OS would change over the next decade, I'm not sure I would have believed you. There was a gigantic difference in feel between installing Windows XP and OS X Public Beta -- with XP you got that fun sense of having a whole new computer, fast and ready to take on whatever you could throw at it, while with OS X you just sort of stared at the huge icons and wondered, "Now what?" It was clear Apple had a lot of work left to do -- although by 10.3 or so I'd deleted my Classic partition and wasn't looking back. But hold up: OS X 10.3 looks and feels dated by today's standards, while XP looks and feels like... XP. Where Apple did an fantastic job of relentlessly improving and iterating OS X over the past decade, Microsoft set the bar so high coming out of the gate that the biggest threat to Windows 7 is the installed base of XP users who are still happy with their machines. That's pretty amazing. - Nilay Patel

    This guy/gal needs to have their head examined. Even talking about the mere aesthetic nature of XP vs. OS X 10.3 (Panther), I can't see where he's coming from in the least:

    OS X 10.3 Panther image vs. Windows XP. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how XP looks anything but "dated", the hideous colors/theming aside. 10.3 looks, even now, clean and fresh compared to XP. (Technologically, XP is way behind 10.3 in many ways.)

    All I can read there is rabid fanboyism. Sorry, but "staying the same" for the better part of a decade, when you're the computer giant's flagship product, is not a benefit in any stretch of the imagination.

    As for their list... not sure why/how the Xbox made the list instead of the Wii. There's nothing special about the Xbox 360, whereas the Wii is a "game changer". Hell, and even Windows Mobile devices (which, aside from the slick Marketing functionality and App store, has been largely comparable for many, many years) should top the list over the Treo.

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    1. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Microsoft hate is so thick I can swim through it.

      "Let's show a OSX window open so we can see how amazing it is, and then a blank XP screen. IT'S CLEAR HOW MUCH XP SUCKS" //sarcasm

      Wii's spacial controller is nifty. Playing games on-line with friends SUCKS! Hell half the time it can't even connect to a room, the other half of the time it times out while joining. I can't type to my friends, I can't talk to my friends. I have to run wKype on my laptop next to me just so we can play together... WTF?!

      I own both. My XBOX sees FAR more use than the Wii. RRoD be damned!... I prefer the xbox. People bitch about RRoD so much because they actually WANT to play it. if my Wii crapped out it'd go in the dumpster and that's the last time I'd even give it a thought.

    2. Re:Say what? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Did you not see me laud WinMo?

      Those screenshots were the first I found. I don't own a Mac (in fact, I hate the UI). But XP has nothing on OS X in terms of UI. (Maybe 10.0 vs. XP. I'd call that a tie.)

      I suppose the Xbox 360 might define tech in the 2000-2010 range moreso than a Wii does if you're in the 15-25 and childless demographic. But if you're over 25 and/or have kids (especially if you have kids), a Wii is much more significant.

      Also, why would I want to play games online with a dumb controller (in more ways than one) when I can play with a buddy who is sitting right next to me drinking a couple beers - AND I can hit him when he beats me? This is my preference; you're free to your own.

      The Xbox 360 brought network gameplay to couch potatoes. This I will grant you. The Wii, however, is a revolution of its own akin to what the original NES did, but to a larger degree: it's got an actual innovation of tactile input, making gaming possible in ways it was not possible before. After the Wii, everything had to have its own gyroscope.

      The 360 has the games and the young-somethings crowd, as well as the "breaks often and needs to be replaced" feature, but it's nothing game-changing. (And the games are fun, you are right - even though I've no idea what RRoD is.) That's what this list is about - game changing gadgets/products of the last decade.

      Honestly, the only reason I think XP (changed nothing, just 2k with more candy on the turd) and the Xbox 360 were put on the list so these TechRepublic yuppies didn't come across as such massive Apple fanboys.

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    3. Re:Say what? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I fail to see how XP looks anything but "dated", the hideous colors/theming aside.

      My XP machines look even more dated because I have them set to the "classic" Win2000 style GUI. Those blue and silver themes literally gave me headaches, and my eyesight actually improved half a diopter after going back to the classic theme. Yah, probably a coincidence, but it makes a good story. :-)

    4. Re:Say what? by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This guy/gal needs to have their head examined

      As an enthusiastic OS X user, though, I'd conceed that the first few releases were not much use. However, that's mainly because of lack of native software support - it always looked a million dollars. Mind you, he does seem to have a revisionist history concerning the original reaction to XP...

      The big achievement of OS X, however, was that in the space of a few years, Apple moved their entire user base over to a completely new, non-binary compatible, UNIX-based system. XP was always hamstrung by legacy issues.

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    5. Re:Say what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      XP may look like the desktop designed by Fisher-Price, but it only looks dated to you now because it's been around for a long time. Apple has been continually dicking around with their look of their OS to the point where they now have multiple widget sets, way to pee on the HIG. Technically, XP is behind everything interesting. But OSX is a pretty half-assed attempt to modernize NeXTStep. I used Macs way back in the 68k days, then the whole PPC thing was pure agony... Now a Mac is a PC with EFI BIOS (I have two netbooks which are also PCs with EFI BIOS...) and I had to sit through the whole BeOS -> OSX thing. Sure, BeOS had failings, but it had something OSX will apparently never have: efficiency.

      All I can read there is rabid fanboyism.

      Snicker snort.

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    6. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. Most gamers regardless of system are older now. See, for example, http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/23/new-study-compares-360-ps3-consumers/ . I know the Wii is not included in there. I, too, own both a Wii and a 360. I'd say they get about equal playing time, but I am definitely a Nintendo fanboy.

    7. Re:Say what? by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      The thing I dislike about your OS X screenshot is that the fonts look like they were shoe-horned in to fit the pixels, rather than being carefully designed for the available pixels. As a result, they look blurry and non-uniform. This is most noticeable in the reverse-highlighted "Midnite" on the l.h.s. of your screenshot. The "d" stands out brightly compared to its neighboring "i" and "n". Even worse, the first "i" is dim and the second "i" is bright, because the second "i" happened align better with the pixels.

    8. Re:Say what? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      XP looked like a pig shit sandwitch when it came out, too. The Fisher-Price label XP earned? Yeah, that's been around since early screenshot leaks were available.

      Consider, XP provides little/nothing over 2000 in terms of desktop graphics. It's the same thing with a candy coating (and even that's debatable, as it's not exactly a 'clean' theme). Gaming graphics/3D are better, but the fundamental video system is still crap. OS X had modern scaling like a couple of the Linux window managers at around the same time (sorta). And Windows didn't catch up to Linux and OS X with relatively simple things like universal font AA/subpixel shading (even in IE).

      Sorry, but XP has been a disappointment since it came out (unlike OS X, which really did change things - it's on their phones, their ipods, and their desktops/laptops, sorta. It really is a game-changing accomplishment.)

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    9. Re:Say what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but XP has been a disappointment since it came out

      What operating system isn't?

      unlike OS X, which really did change things

      Yeah, it changed an operating system responsive on a 25 MHz 68k chip into something that's a dog on a dual PPC G5. Congratulations, Apple!

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    10. Re:Say what? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I agree. I always thought the brushed aluminum look was cheesy, but nevertheless, Apple has moved away from it which certainly dates the OSX screenshot to the early 2000's.

      On the other hand, I've never liked the default XP theme and it certainly has not aged nicely either.

  21. Microsoft a Big Client of Theirs? by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To claim that Windows XP coming out of the gate set the bar so high that people won't upgrade to Windows 7 is such BS and complete sucking-up to Microsoft. Until SP2 came out, Windows XP was a nest of security problems that made using it nearly impossible. Wasn't that also the time when Firefox got started because IE was so horribly insecure and pop-up infested? It had so many services turned on by default. Anyone here remember the "net send" pop-ups? That was possible with the default install of Windows XP prior to SP2, IIRC. One thing XP established is the habit of waiting for at least SP1 to come out before switching. Even after SP2, I still switch the theme back to Windows 2000 Classic. I don't know where they got the idea of XP being such a spectacular winner out of the gate. Windows 2000 was revolutionary in the Windows world in terms of stability and user friendliness. Windows XP, until SP2, felt like a step back. For a long time, I avoided the "consumer" line of Windows (ME, XP, and Vista) and prefer to use their "server/enterprise/workstation" line (2k, 2k3) because of the lack of bloat and higher level of security.

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    1. Re:Microsoft a Big Client of Theirs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To claim that Windows XP coming out of the gate set the bar so high that people won't upgrade to Windows 7 is such BS and complete sucking-up to Microsoft. Until SP2 came out, Windows XP was a nest of security problems that made using it nearly impossible. Wasn't that also the time when Firefox got started because IE was so horribly insecure and pop-up infested? It had so many services turned on by default. Anyone here remember the "net send" pop-ups? That was possible with the default install of Windows XP prior to SP2, IIRC. One thing XP established is the habit of waiting for at least SP1 to come out before switching. Even after SP2, I still switch the theme back to Windows 2000 Classic. I don't know where they got the idea of XP being such a spectacular winner out of the gate. Windows 2000 was revolutionary in the Windows world in terms of stability and user friendliness. Windows XP, until SP2, felt like a step back. For a long time, I avoided the "consumer" line of Windows (ME, XP, and Vista) and prefer to use their "server/enterprise/workstation" line (2k, 2k3) because of the lack of bloat and higher level of security.

      XP memory management is still crap for a 32 bit OS and the system overhead still cuts the framerate for OpenGL apps by about 25%-33% when compared to 2K.

      The only reason they killed the 9x line was because Me was a complete piece of crap. It was a easier technically and better financially for MS to take 2K, fuck with it a little to create XP Home and Pro version, than it was to fix Me.

  22. I didn't read TFA, but since we are still due for by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0

    the Apple article today, (or did I miss it?), I’d say:


    hwl = filter(dictionary,isHipsterWord); hwll = hwl.length-1
    for i in 1..10 {
        print i+". i"+hwl[random()*hwl]
    }
    ;)

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  23. eeeeeeeee PC? by z_gringo · · Score: 1

    I would have thought that one of the Android phones released in 2009 would beat out the Eeeeeeeeeee PC.

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    1. Re:eeeeeeeee PC? by slyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Eee PC showed that there was a market for small, cheap computers (netbooks). I would be hesitant to say Asus invented the netbook with the Eee PC (mostly because of the XO children's laptop), but I don't think it would be totally wrong to say so either. They sold beyond anyones wildest expectations then, and continue to do so today, likely singlehandedly making the difference between unrecoverable losses and bare minimum survival revenue for some computer manufacturers in the current world economy. It basically spawned an entire processor line within Intel (Atom). No doubt it belongs on the list in my mind.

      Android on the other hand is just: 1. Google positioning itself to ensure it will not be locked out of the smartphone/mobile ad space, and 2: Setting the bare minimum baseline for what a smartphone OS can be while still being able to compete in the market. Compared to the multitude of other smartphone platforms it has been pretty non-notable technologically in every aspect *but* its availability to manufacturers and users.

  24. I'm tired of hearing about gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to the good ol' days when all the ads on TV were for cars and breakfast cereal? Now it seems like they're all for phones, and every other article on /. has something to do with phones. I think the world has gone nuts.

    Do you people spend all your time wandering the streets lost or what? You're going to pay possibly hundreds of dollars for the initial purchase of, and possibly a monthly service charge for the use of some doodad which is all-too-easily lost or broken. So you can look at stuff on a tiny little screen? Type stuff on a tiny little keyboard? Listen to stuff from tiny little speakers? Access the interwebs through a slow, expensive, unreliable connection? Under an OS that is probably proprietary and feature anemic?

    At home, I have a PC with a real keyboard, display, and speakers. Also, being an American who does not live in a dense urban area with useful public transportation, I have a car. And any place I might be, my car is not far behind. It also contains a CD player and real speakers, and can easily be used to haul a laptop which again, sports a decent display and keyboard. But to be honest, I don't take my laptop with me every time I leave the house because when I go to the grocery store it's to buy groceries damnit not read my email!

    For heaven's sake people are you really that bored that you need to be constantly dicking around with some thing, sending goatse pics to your friends or whatever? Don't you have actual work to do? Actual people standing in front of you to deal with? Vehicles in front of you to watch so you don't fucking crash into them?

    1. Re:I'm tired of hearing about gadgets by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Why do you have a laptop then you dumb fuck? Especially if you don't even take it with you. Christ. Go back to Amish country if you're just gonna bitch about new technology.

  25. Engadget.. by msimm · · Score: 1

    Is a property to carry ads. Most people either don't understand this fact or want to ignore it. It's part of a portfolio owned by a major online advertiser like a lot of similar sites. It's branded advertising.

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  26. I am shocked and amazed... by germansausage · · Score: 1

    I am shocked and amazed...to find TFA doesn't span 10 separate pages. Thanks, Engadget.

  27. Simple Simon games by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember visiting Japan for the first time in 1999. Of course I wandered in to a video game arcade to check out the scene. I laughed at the poor Japanese and their imitative video games - look, that guy is just touching the controls in the exact way that the machine tells him to! What a retarded game! It's no game at all, he's just mindlessly copying what the machine tells him to do in exact sequence...no more "fun" than working on an assembly line. A children's game, really...we had the same thing called Simple Simon when I was a kid...these Japanese video games even have the same four colors. I mean, there could at least be a dozen colors or something, make it difficult. And the controller shaped like a guitar? Oh man, how pathetic: if you're going to be cool and play the guitar, be cool and learn the goddamn instrument, it ain't that hard. Only Japanese people, with their tolerance of tedium and their relentless drive to copy, could possibly "enjoy" such a "game".

    This Christmas, I'm passed out from wine, and when I vaguely become aware, I hear these overplayed classic rock tunes accompanied by clicking. I go out, and sure enough, three family members are staring at the TV, imitating the colors on the screen, each lost in his own world with no communication. Just this eerie clicking, accompanied by this sound that I identified from when I was in marching band and the drummers had practice pads. There is no talking, no rocking out, no jumping around the room flailing at an ax like Eddie Van Halen on coke. Their faces are stone masks of concentration. The song finishes, and my family grins at each other, "Wow, we sure had a fun time interacting. What a great game that brings us together!"

    Shows you how much I know. I also thought "Magic: the Gathering" was a stupid game because it was so wildly unbalanced. Who would want to play that, a game where you can win not by superior skill or even dumb luck, but simply by spending more money than your opponent?

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    1. Re:Simple Simon games by Foolicious · · Score: 1

      and when I vaguely become aware

      Yes.

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    2. Re:Simple Simon games by mister_playboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      but simply by spending more money than your opponent?

      It's worked out well for the NY Yankees, and they seem pretty popular. ;)

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    3. Re:Simple Simon games by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Who would want to play that, a game where you can win not by superior skill or even dumb luck, but simply by spending more money than your opponent?

      It is simply true that many of the most powerful Magic decks that you will see if you go observe some games are cheap. They have one or two rare cards in 'em, but the rules don't permit stuffing your decks with those anyway. I haven't played since I was a teen, and I hope I gave away all my cards because otherwise they're probably molding in the bottom of a plastic crate someplace in the storage room. The classic prodigal sorcerer deck, or red decks with names like "it go foom" are quite cheap to assemble if you are willing to hang around gaming stores and trade cards.

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    4. Re:Simple Simon games by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I was going to say much the same. I played up until about '97 or '98 I think. Anyways I was always the poor kid and so built all my decks from the cheap common cards everyone had ten copies of. In particular I remember my almost pure direct damage deck, small creature decks for both white and green, and my prodigal sorcerer/spell counters deck being very strong.

    5. Re:Simple Simon games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one of those assholes who tries to chat with everyone during a movie, aren't you?

      Maybe games today require one to actually concentrate on the game, as opposed to idley pushing buttons every now and then when there's a break in your precious conversation.

      Please never visit a movie theater I'm in.

      Signed: Everyone.

    6. Re:Simple Simon games by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      "Only Japanese people, with their..."
      "This Christmas, I'm passed out from wine..."
      "...'enjoy' such a 'game'..."

      So you're a racist drunk who passed out instead of spending time with his family on Christmas, and you hate fun.

      Your comment is valuable why? +5 insightful? Seriously?

      I hope someone bludgeons you to death with a Guitar Hero controller.

  28. Box Cutter? by cpuffer_hammer · · Score: 3, Funny

    It would be more interesting looking at influence instead of favourite. I am not normally a look backwards type person, but almost everything that we think of as key to this decade is influenced by this simple tool (or in this case do to intent weapon).

  29. Only one by FranTaylor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The LCD display.

    The only thing that's really changed is that we have finally gotten rid of CRTs.

    Everything else is just a bigger or smaller version of stuff we already had.

    Most of our new toys are finally possible due to cheap and tiny displays.

    1. Re:Only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'd agree with you about the LCD screen, and it going from laptops (and at the turn of the century, you paid big bucks for a laptop, assuming you wanted an active matrix display) to being so inexpensive that a $30 "picture frame" can ship, and usually has few to no blown pixels.

      CRTs have a few advantages such as faster response and better color saturation, but since I'm not doing tasks which require me to know that Pantone 15-5519 TCX is 2009's color of the year, an LCD screen which doesn't eat all my desk space is good enough.

    2. Re:Only one by zlogic · · Score: 1

      LCD is really a smaller and lighter version or CRT :) Okay, and without problems like out-of-focus and distortion.

    3. Re:Only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean CRT Tubes...

    4. Re:Only one by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      And oh, I don't know, being digital instead of analog, not prone to burn in, lending well towards miniaturization, and allowing for much sharper resolution and contrast. Other than that, yeah LCD is just like CRT but lighter.

    5. Re:Only one by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Also, without problems like daily eye strain and weekly headaches. Switching over to LCD screens has made for a huge quality of life improvement for me. (Not as much as dumping the computer and getting outside might, but ... well, that ain't gonna happen.)

    6. Re:Only one by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The only thing that's really changed is that we have finally gotten rid of CRTs. [...] Most of our new toys are finally possible due to cheap and tiny displays.

      Aren't we forgetting Li-Ion batteries?

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  30. "Click wheel Only" by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These were the first iPods with the modern Click Wheel interface only and full USB 2.0 interface support.

    What does that mean? I had the very first iPod. All it had was a click wheel. In fact it was better than a few later generations, since the wheel actually turned and thus gave more feedback.

    As for "full USB 2.0 interface", well that was nice for Windows users but a step back from the Firewire400 the original sported. It allowed the original iPod to load songs just as fast as any later USB 2.0 model, and made 5GB of storage practical instead of a chore.

    Everything that made the iPod what it was was there from the start - iTunes, fast transfers, click wheel interface, easy UI. I don't think saying any later generation made it "come of age" makes that much sense, apart from the move to support Windows users as well which was key to growth.

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    1. Re:"Click wheel Only" by plover · · Score: 1

      I agree that the older iPods were better designed than the modern ones (however, I didn't own one then.) The click-wheel was intuitive -- it physically turned, so you knew that moving it would do something. The first time I held a newer gen iPod, I cursed at it for 10 minutes before someone pointed out to me that you have to drag your finger along this white circle, instead of trying to click the buttons that were printed on it. WTF? I was very surprised that Apple stopped producing an intuitive interface, since usability is their hallmark.

      And the older iPods acted as disc drives, just as you would expect from a portable firewire cabinet containing a portable disc drive. Modern iPods lock the user from accessing the file system so you can no longer use the machines to copy music. They've really gone downhill in terms of usability and function.

      But there's still no question that the iPod was one of the defining gadgets of the 00s.

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    2. Re:"Click wheel Only" by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Let me clarify myself on this. If you look at the 1G to 3G iPods, note on the 1G and 2G model they had buttons surround the "wheel," and the 3G had buttons above the "wheel." It was with the 4G iPod (using an idea borrowed from the iPod mini) that 1) Apple got rid of the additional buttons and 2) switched to USB 2.0 as the primary way to interface the iPod with a computer. Every iPod with the Click Wheel interface since the 4G iPod and iPod mini has pretty much maintained the newer Click Wheel interface design.

      Yes, IEEE-1394 "Firewire" was a better I/O connection, but since by 2003-2004 most computers sported USB 2.0 interfaces, if Apple wanted to capture the PC market with the iPod they had to offer the USB 2.0 interface. Indeed, iPods since the 5G iPod video and 1G iPod nano in 2005 no longer use the IEEE-1394 interface since both PCs and Macs by 2005 commonly sported USB 2.0 connectors.

    3. Re:"Click wheel Only" by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I think Apple dropped the buttons surrounding the click wheel because 1) you had less things to physically fail and 2) it was vastly cheaper to manufacture.

  31. I hated my RAZR by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The only issue was that if one used the flip to answer option, the early models did not allow a caller ID.

    That was not the only issue. Not by a long shot.

    I had the RAZR for a few years, near the end of its lifespan in the market (I replaced it with the original iPhone). In my time with the RAZR the only credit I would give it is that it survived be thrown across the room in sheer frustration three times. Sturdy, yes. But here's the things I hated:

    1) Keypad. Almost unreadable and the slant of the keys made it almost impossible to use by touch.

    2) It's a flip phone but not really. You see, the advantage of flip phones (and why I bought a RAZR) is that you cannot accidentally press buttons on them while closed. I forget exactly what the many side buttons on the RAZR did, but they were cause for at least one of the aforementioned room flingings. They would often do something undesirable if you simply reached your hand in your pocket to answer a call - mercifully the exact memories are foggy.

    3) The user interface was beyond horrible. It was a "smart phone" of the kind that made the iPhone so necessary to build. I'm a very technical user being a programmer, but I found it way too inconvenient to actually load contacts onto the phone much less anything else, and we all know how browsing was on these ancient devices...

    I was far happier with my previous time owning a featureless bar phone than I ever was with my RAZR. But yes it looked and felt great. In that way it was everything Apple Haters always accuse Apple products of being, the ultimate in style over substance.

    I'll not deny them a spot on the list because they did alter the mobile landscape, but I sure did hate that phone.

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    1. Re:I hated my RAZR by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Entering contacts into a Razr wasn't the simplest task, but the Razr's interface wasn't special (the GSM version, anyway; IIRC Verizon slapped their standard UI on it when it reached their carrier). I owned a Razr for a few weeks and have used a few Motorola handsets throughout the decade. Entering contact info was never iPhone simple, but it was consistent across most Motorola phones of the period. Additionally, if one looked hard enough (and I'm referring to several hours), there was/is software available to sync a Razr with Outlook (and presumably other PIM titles). I'll agree that Motorola should have taken a lead from Nokia and made their sync software freely available, but their business models for PC/Phone sync were different: Nokia gave away software and charged for the DKU-5 cables, while Motorola used a standard mini-USB cable and charged for their first-party software.

    2. Re:I hated my RAZR by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      But there's more to the mobile market than Apple and Motorola!

      One of Motorola's bad points with phones was UIs, but I've found Nokia for example much better than them too, and they were around long before the Iphone. It didn't need Apple to save the industry (especially since at least Motorola phones could do basic UI things like copy/paste).

      Also note that the Iphone came several years later, and was vastly more expensive than the RAZR - you'd damn well hope it was an improvement. That's not "alter the mobile landscape", it's just the normal advancement of technology, as well as getting what you pay for.

  32. This list is leaving out the most important gadget by scourfish · · Score: 4, Funny

    I do believe that the writers at engadget have shown gross negligence for overlooking the significance of this decade's most important gadget: The Fleshlight.

  33. Argh! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    No more best/worst of the decade stuff! No more, I tell you!

    And you people pissing about the decade really ending next year- you people are worse! Look up the "astronomical calendar" already! French astronomers fixed the issue back in the 1700s by defining a year zero.

    Argh! Hiss! Spit!

    OK, better now. :)

  34. Nokia N900 by faragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Nokia N900 is the first { Linux + X11 + phone } that works nicely (OpenMoko was a poor attempt), and it's Debian based! (Maemo).

    1. Re:Nokia N900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the iPhone will outside it by a factor of a thousand, so it's not influential.

    2. Re:Nokia N900 by maxume · · Score: 1

      It's near non emergence (that is, have you seen one you don't own in the wild?) sort of cuts down on how influential it is.

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    3. Re:Nokia N900 by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      So it's a Droid? Or an iPhone with Linux?

      Seriously. It looks like a decent smart phone, but it's not the second coming of Jesus.

      BTW - I like how you make a big deal out of the "phone icon" on the N900. Guess what? The iPhone (and I assume the Droid) have the same phone icon (well, it's green on an iPhone)!

  35. An honorary addition to the list: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The greatest gadget for the decade, I think, was one made before it. The Messagepad 2100. I bought mine in 2001 used, and I still use it as the best note taking device I have yet to find outside of paper and pen. How many computer products have a ten plus year following with active use in day to day life?

  36. USB stick - webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed for the GPS they're now common as muck, and I'm basically considered a troglodyte for not having one in the car.

    Being so happy to be rid of the dreaded diskette collection, I personally would have included the now ubiquitous, and often free, USB keychain storage device. Software installation and document transfer are a cinch compared to what they were, without even mentioning song swapping.

    What about the webcam? This has revolutionized communications and activity scheduling - want to see what the ski slopes look like today - check out the weather to the west - webcams galore. Sure, they existed before, but buying one for your granma to chat to her grandkids wasn't an option before either.

    The boys at engadget clearly don't match my memories, cause I would have pinned the smokeless pipe, or cannabis vaporiser, as one of the best gadgets made popular this decade too. Then again, they included WinXP, so I don't want whatever shit they're smoking anyway.

  37. Obviouslyerer... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    1. Re:Obviouslyerer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was my first pick too.

      others include:
        - the LCD monitor, and its cousin the bigscreen lcd tv - also hdtv generally.
        - the ipod, actually a derivative of the thumbdrive as wikipedia points out
        - decent cameras in phones .... currently I have a 5mp in my moto zn5, a pity it's handicapped by its tiny optics, but still, there it is when wanted.
        - affordable GPS with map storage at a useful granularity
        - the multitool - i have a big gerber on my belt and a tiny leatherman e4 in my pocket
        - the lithium-ion battery makes so much of this compact yet powerful hardware possible.
        - the usb nerf-missile launcher
      probably could think of more but 'work calls, in its shrill and unpleasant voice'
      happy new year to all ....

    2. Re:Obviouslyerer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, bro, the multitool has been around much longer than you seem to think.

  38. No depth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... downfall of the desktop, and the series finale of Friends"

    There's something wrong with this guy.

  39. Wii not in the list? by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

    I cannot agree with X360. It's a great console. PS2 was too. But only Wii brings a new fresh air to videogames. It's not the same (just more power to graphics), it's a whole new concept (hardware AND software): target to people that never played a game OR old gamers that lost videogames tasting. I know here and gadgets sites are filled by geeks like us (love hardware power), so I can understand that X360 or PS2 are a natural vote. But in a world perspective, it's not the videogame of the decade.

  40. Hilarity by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Let's just take a look at the items which definitely don't belong on the list. At the top of the "who are you kidding" list is probably the Powerbook G4. A look at the sales numbers alone would be sufficient to disqualify it. Apple didn't gain any notable market share until they went intel. Giving XP and OSX the same spot is hilarious, but I guess it makes some sense; this is the decade that the mass market operating systems gained some real functionality. The Treo is a fail, though, on the same basis as the Powerbook G4. There's really no room for it on a list with iPod and iPhone, both of which honestly deserve the position more for simply bringing the functionality to the masses, most especially unlike the Treo. The Xbox 360 clearly does not deserve the Wii's place; as others have pointed out, only the PS2 has really had more impact, due to being an early and acceptable DVD player. And why the EEE 900, and not the 701? Oh, because the 900 was aimed at housewives. But (if you don't give the credit to Psion) you have to laud the 701 for basically launching the idea of the netbook as a valid product.

    Some other gadgets that might deserve the credit include the Gameboy Advance SP (2003) which took advantage of the insurgence of video game popularity but which also came in a new-old form factor that made it acceptable to carry around in your pocket, and brought mobile gaming to the masses; it paved the way for Sony's PSP (2004), which does not belong on the list because it is so retarded and because GBA sales own it. Not including a personal navigation system is, as others have pointed out, patently retarded; this is the decade where "everyone" got navigation. You can get a tolerably credible unit for fifty bucks, or something with fairly up to date maps for around a hundred. I would say that one of the gadgets of the decade is the game console guitar, too; the success of the Hero series of musical games has been nothing less than epic.

    My favorite gadget of this decade is coil-on-plug ignition, but that's a different list. It wasn't invented in this decade, but this is when it's finally becoming popular. Distributors suck and waste spark systems take up too much space.

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    1. Re:Hilarity by cuby · · Score: 1

      "because the 900 was aimed at housewives. "
      TROLL
      The 900/901 was the next gen, but it was much better. I also saw somewhere that it has less hardware problems than a Macbook.

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    2. Re:Hilarity by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      At the top of the "who are you kidding" list is probably the Powerbook G4. A look at the sales numbers alone would be sufficient to disqualify it.

      I agree that it wasn't the Powerbook G4 that set the precedent for making better-looking laptops; I think it was the Powerbook 17" and the Macbook that did it in. Many, many laptops before those looks like clunky plastic pieces of junk; after the introduction of the Macbook, many manufacturers strived to make sleeker and prettier computers. I'd say that's a pretty influential change.

  41. Mentally limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article was written by grown men with the minds of emotionally limited 12-year-old girls.

    The Razr phone was not sealed. Dust got into the display.

    From one of the comments posted to the story, about Microsoft quality: "... the 360 made history ... the highest failure rate"

    More Microsoft quality -- Windows XP: It was 3 years until service pack 2 made Windows XP a version that was relatively finished.

    Actual quote from the article: "From my suitcase cell phone in the 1980s to my Nokia brick in the 1990s to my Palm in the early 2000s to my beloved BlackBerry to the iPhone, these have been my most satisfying relationships ever. Yes, I am a loser."

    '... the self-styled "core gamer," '

    "... the feeling I had as I was preparing our iPhone announcement post -- my heart was pounding"

    The writers need relationships with people.

    1. Re:Mentally limited by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      "... the feeling I had as I was preparing our iPhone announcement
      post -- my heart was pounding"

      So they're still not hiring zombie writers ? I find that hard to believe.

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    2. Re:Mentally limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here

  42. Blackberry by savaget · · Score: 1

    I noticed they gave the Blackberry an honorable mention and its own article, but it should have been on this top 10 list.

  43. Have you heard about redundancy? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just saying.

    I fail to see why people should stop working if a file server fails.

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    1. Re:Have you heard about redundancy? by Gabrill · · Score: 1

      Because the amount of transactions and the organization afforded by computerized accounting has made the workload nigh impossible to keep up with "the old fashioned way".

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    2. Re:Have you heard about redundancy? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but for example where I work, the typical way of filling out something is go to a fileserver, go to the templates directory, find the template of what your are going to fill out, and fill it out. Most things are done this way, from letters, to labels, etc. When it works well, it works well. People are always able to get the most recent templates, don't have to spend all their time typing, and it can be updated when needed without needing retraining. Its a lot harder to update 200 local copies of templates than 1 on the server.

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  44. -1 pedantic. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    How decades are counted is a bloody convention, not a law of nature.

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  45. This list kind of sucks. by MrCrassic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This compilation is really short-sighted, though they seem to have gotten a few things right.

    • Windows XP and Mac OS X are software, not gadgets. They were very influential in changing the landscape of daily computing, but I don't think either of them belong on this list.
    • The netbook hasn't been in the market long enough to really make an impact, but I think it's contributions were more negative than positive. The sub-notebooks that preceded them, such as the Fujitsu LifeBook, Toshiba Libretto, Sony VAIO, and even the OQO, were really high-quality devices that were expensive, but lasted a really long time. Netbooks, on the other hand, are just really cheap notebooks that (initially) shipped with an even crappier operating system (Xandros? Seriously?) and are meant to be replaced and/or disposed of within two years or so. Additionally, sub-notebooks were way more capable than these devices, which are meant to mostly have people interact with the internet. I think that they are definitely propelling the cloud computing movement, but at the moment are merely toys than anything else.
    • USB "pen drives" didn't even make the list, despite essentially obsoleting floppy-based media almost single-handedly. Before them, folks would carry several floppy disks (or ZIP drives, which always had a tough time getting critical mass) and hope that they didn't fail unexpectedly. Today, people are carrying at least 2GB of storage space on their keychains!
    • They should've included the iPod Nano and Shuffle on that list, since they had a bigger market impact than the original iPod did. (Even today, one is more likely to find people with iPod nanos or shuffles than the big, hard-disk based iPods.)

    I definitely agree, though, that the RAZR did a lot to force manufacturers to slim their phones, despite it being a pretty mediocre phone on its own. I also agree that the Treo 650 was basically responsible for putting smartphones on the map for most people, though the Blackberry popularized push e-mail to the point of making it an expectancy for most people nowadays.

    1. Re:This list kind of sucks. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On the subject of netbooks, you are so far off base it's not even funny. The subnotebooks of yore were not just more expensive, they were dramatically more expensive. And they were most certainly not more capable; they often had no 3d acceleration at all; what they had was uniformly poor. Their CPUs top out in the Pentium M range as well; more powerful processors of the generation produce too much heat and consume too much battery. Thus, an Atom is competitive.

      I own two netbooks and a modern subnotebook marketed as a netbook. I have a 4G Surf, an Aspire D250, and a Gateway LT3013u. The latter machine was $350 and in particular is more powerful than any classic subnotebook, with its ATI GPU (DX9 anyway) and 1.2 GHz Athlon 64 processor. Most subnotebooks didn't have internal optical drives, which is basically what separates this machine from a notebook, given its 12" 720p LED-backlit display.

      The Aspire D250 is not exciting, but it's three hundred bucks. It's hard to argue with that price point.

      Finally, the 4G Surf makes a fantastic little system. I've put Jolicloud on it and while there's still a few apps that won't run gracefully due to the small, low-res screen, I can perform fairly high-requirement tasks on it, like using GIMP to scale 7MP images from my digital camera. It's got a 900 MHz Celery in it and it really does just fine; not as fine as the Gateway, perhaps, but then all of its hardware is older and thus better-supported.

      By the way, you lost all credibility in this conversation when you claimed that the Sony Vaio was well-built or -supported. NO Sony PC product has ever been either. Go back and look at the prices on those Librettos and LifeBooks to see what the major difference is today, as well.

      USB Pen drives are not an invention of this decade. They all but killed floppy drives within their first year.

      The iPod Nano and Shuffle are just descendants of the original. The original iPod, of course, is from 2001. It deserves its position on the list.

      The Blackberry was the first smartphone to get attention. People don't even know what a Treo is if they aren't a nerd.

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    2. Re:This list kind of sucks. by MrCrassic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I will concede to your point that netbooks have made a more immediate dent than I thought, and especially to my fault in including the VAIO in that list (they were pretty high-end shit, should've included the Thinkpad X series instead). However...

      USB Pen drives are not an invention of this decade. They all but killed floppy drives within their first year.

      Incorrect; first commerical USB drive was released in 2000, and increased in popularity as USB became more common. You can't tell me that it wasn't the proliferation of cheap "jump drives" that pretty much blew floppies out of the scene; if you were part of the crazy, you would have seen that transition happening pretty quickly.

      The iPod Nano and Shuffle are just descendants of the original. The original iPod, of course, is from 2001. It deserves its position on the list.

      That's correct, but parent items aren't the only ones that can set trends. The iPod changed how people listen to music, but I remember MP3 CD players being popular for years after the iPod was released mostly because of its huge price point. It was the iPod Mini, followed by the Nano and shuffle, which helped not only reduce the price on the hard-disk based player, but also made it affordable enough for it to become a household name.

      Google didn't turn the search industry on its face when it came out either. These things take time (just like netbooks, which I will concede I was wrong on, but is still very much in its infancy and hasn't really proven to be anything but a really cheap notebook at this point).

      The Blackberry was the first smartphone to get attention.

      Horribly incorrect. While celebrities were toting around Treo 650s and showing them off, Blackberry devices were still ugly, useless for most people outside of those that needed their work email (much to their chagrin) and very limited in functionality. It wasn't until the 8700 that they started to gain a foothold in the consumer smartphone space (and even then, it was still limited relative to the Treo, but was much more stable). More notably, it was the Curve and Pearl that really helped RIM supplant Palm's old, tired and unreliable devices.

    3. Re:This list kind of sucks. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      USB "pen drives" didn't even make the list, despite essentially obsoleting floppy-based media almost single-handedly. Before them, folks would carry several floppy disks (or ZIP drives, which always had a tough time getting critical mass)

      Between floppies and pen drives my mp3 player used to serve the purpose. Though it's pretty amazing the information density you get these days. A few years ago I got a USB watch as a gift and when I worked it out it could hold the same as a shoebox of 3.5" floppies.

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  46. Cut to the chase by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Engadget? I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild guess: 6 out of the 10 are Apple products, and the only Microsoft product will be presented only in comparison to an Apple product.

    Xbox won't make it but Wii will.

    The USB flash drive won't be on the list because there's no brand name for them to pimp.

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    1. Re:Cut to the chase by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Mod abuse again - you got modded troll, but you were pretty close on. 4 Apple products is still way disproportionate (especially with nonsensical mentions like the G4 and the Iphone). Surprisingly Microsoft also got the X Box, but you were right that their other entry was only shared with an Apple product. And you were dead on with the USB flash drive.

    2. Re:Cut to the chase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really don't see the iPhone with it's multi-touch interface, and usable mobile browsing as innovative? It's iPod functionality? Gmail integration? Youtube? H.264 video? Especially now since EVERY major smart phone on the market is emulating it (or trying to)?

      Really?

  47. Spurious precision by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    no, at 25 dec 10 he became 9 years old

    Actually, calendar changes notwithstandig, a quick glance at Wikipedia suggests that the one thing that can be stated with certanty is that he wasn't born in 1AD, so arguing over a +/- 1 year discrepancy is kinda futile.

    (Not to mention the difficulty of being born on a fixed calendar date and dying on a date determined by the phase of the moon).

    That's assuming that he isn't just a gestalt of various prophets and political figures...

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  48. IED by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More soberly, I would say the IED is the gadget that most "defined the decade" as Engadget's headline touts.

  49. RTFA by argent · · Score: 1

    Well, you got one out of four predictions right. Better than average for slashdot.

    1. Re:RTFA by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      He had to prove he didn't peek.

  50. Nokia N900 by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    It has only been out a month in 2009. But is's cross between a mobile computer and a VOIP/CELL phone, it's design, it's open Maemo5 (linux OS), everything will put it in a new catagory that the press just has not yet defined. It is a true milestone in computer history along with the like of the Altair 8080, SORD IS-11, Kaypro-II, etc.

    Just a little late in the game, but still in 2009.

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  51. nt kernel by jsnipy · · Score: 1

    "Windows XP brought the entire Windows family onto the vastly more stable NT kernel" ------- I thought Windows 2000 used the NT kernel before XP.

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    1. Re:nt kernel by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      Windows 2000 was not a home OS. It was targeted strictly for the business environment. At the time, Windows ME was the home OS's offered from Microsoft.

      Windows XP was the first home edition of Windows that moved the home user into the NT kernel.

    2. Re:nt kernel by jsnipy · · Score: 1

      Regardless of how its spun or marketed, Windows 2000 WAS a desktop OS.

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    3. Re:nt kernel by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      No one said it wasn't a desktop OS. It was used in the business environment, although it didn't have a lot of time before XP came out. You didn't, however, get it on home PC's purchased from OEM's. You got Windows ME or Windows 98.

      XP was the first 'home edition' NT Kernel available to users via OEM.

  52. Some items missing from the list by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

    LCD Technology
    Wireless G
    HDTV
    H.264
    Multi-Core technology
    LED
    Bluetooth
    3G
    Cable Modems/DSL Broadband technology

    Note that some of these existed in early forms prior to 2000, but they took new directions, or simply took off for the consumer in the last decade.

  53. The first decade by AlpineR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm picturing your parent poster as some Roman nerd yelling at everybody that they shouldn't be celebrating the onset of Year 10 since Jesus Christ was born only nine years ago.

    And I'm picturing an older, wiser Roman tapping him on the shoulder and pointing out that:

    1) They're not using the birth of Jesus as the basis of their time system yet.

    2) When the A.D. system is implemented, it will be miscalculated and land the birth of Jesus in 4 A.D.

    3) Jesus wasn't born at midnight on January 1st. And the winter solstice isn't at that time either. So it's clear that the moment chosen to increment the year counter is arbitrary anyway.

    4) If we use your definition of "decade", then what are we going to call the decade that includes the year 1985 A.D.? "I Love The 80's Including 1990 But Not 1980"?

    1. Re:The first decade by wtfbill · · Score: 1

      A lot of folks calculate Jesus' birth at 2BC, which is even funnier and more ironic.

    2. Re:The first decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is 1 BC and 2) 4 BC

    3. Re:The first decade by pwfffff · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      "4) If we use your definition of "decade", then what are we going to call the decade that includes the year 1985 A.D.? "I Love The 80's Including 1990 But Not 1980"?"

      We call it 'the 80s', you stupid piece of shit. Note how there's no 'decade' in that phrase, or even the whole fucking sentence. You starting to see how they're DIFFERENT things? 1985 is in the 80s. 1985 is in the 199th decade. 1990 is in the 90s. 1990 is in the 199th decade.

      When I say 'this century', people assume I'm talking about the 21st century. When I say 'this millennium', people assume I'm talking about the 3rd millennium. So why is it that all of a sudden, when I say 'this decade', I don't mean the 201st decade?

      You're right. We don't HAVE to use year 1 as a starting point. It's arbitrary. It's meaningless. But it's fucking standard, and there's no point in suddenly counting decades starting with year 0 just because people say 'the 80s' more often than they actually refer to 'standard' decades.

  54. Iphone? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Agreed but I'd go one step further: I can see the Ipod (it's the most popular mp3 player by far), but not the Iphone. It wasn't the first phone to combine PDA and phone features as they think - that happened long before, and was commonplace on even feature phones, which could access the real Internet and run apps by 2005 or earlier. It certainly wasn't the first smartphone (even their own list includes earlier examples), nor was it the phone to transform them "from niche accessories into must-have status symbols" as they allege. With only a few per cent market share even now, and far fewer sales with the original Iphone, how could they? Instead try Nokia at 40% market share, who have done far more to bring smartphones to the masses. (It's debatable whether the Iphone, especially the first model, counts as a smartphone anyway, and not a feature phone.)

    If they're including it because it combined a phone with the Ipod, then that's double counting since the Ipod already has a place (and by 2007, or even 2005, playing mp3s on phones was commonplace).

    Then we have the nonsense of "full touch is the new black, finger-friendly UIs are virtually required, and world-class industrial design is a given. The game has changed." - yeah, because obviously no one would have introduced touch if Apple hadn't done it (the reality is that Apple weren't first, and it was an obvious improvement that everyone would want once the technology was perfected and cheap enough), and having good looking phones was a feature long before Apple came to the game late.

    It's particularly bizarre, and shows how lacking in facts the article is, when the inset starts "3G changed everything" - yet 3G became commonplace in 2005, while the first Iphone in 2007 still didn't have basic features like 3G.

    It ends with the laughable nonsense of "introduced the mass market to the mobile internet. Apple single handedly jumpstarted the mobile applications market while simultaneously re-defining the carrier and handset vendor relationship." Please! The basic facts are that most of the mass of the market are accessing the mobile internet through methods other than Apple. And that's before we take account of all the people who are using netbooks and 3G dongles (which Apple have no presence in whatsoever).

    Indeed, if we're going to credit someone for introducing mobile broadband, what about the phone networks and 3G?

    Jumpstarting the mobile applications market is nonsense - native apps were common long before Apple, and if anyone deserves real credit here, it should be Java by allowing a cross-platform standard that two billion Java phones can all run.

    At least they do mention other earlier non-Apple phones, but for the later generation, I'd expect to see something from a company like Nokia. They already mention the Palm Treo, and stuff Blackberry and Android as "Honorable mentions" - why does the Iphone deserve its own entry? And on that note, why does no Nokia phone, the most dominant smartphone company in the world, even get a mention?

    1. Re:Iphone? by howe.chris · · Score: 0

      If you have the iPhone you have to have the Blackberry. The crack berry even has a medical condition named after it. In the corporate world they are EVERYWHERE. I would venture to say that > 80% of people making > $100K has had a crack berry for at least 2 years in length (thanks to cell contracts). The Treo phone was not anything. Kyocera QCP 6035 had everything it had earlier. During that time Windows PDAs were also starting to include phones in them. A lot of the PDAs also had 802.11 wireless. I think the author just had one.

    2. Re:Iphone? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You're right. Remove the iPhone from the list.

      Well, maybe it could be kept there as the milestone of bringing those technologies and gadgets to the masses.

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  55. Nintendo love? by Jedimstr397 · · Score: 1

    Lame list if I do say so myself. I would think that a gaming console, namely the Nintendo Wii, would be seen as a gadget that defined the decade. Yeah the graphics aren't high-end, but I'll bet that most people reading this post own one. The Wii innovated and brought families and friends closer together. They defied their critics in a time that demanded faster, better, prettier looking games. Instead they thought outside of the box (pun intended) and did something new that their competitors would eventually copy and try to improve upon. Also, Apple products seem to be ubiquitous in TFA along with the word ubiquitous. WTF?

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  56. 3 out of 10 belong to Apple :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe Apple is the most innovative company of the decade.

  57. Re:Obviouslyererer... by morrison · · Score: 3, Insightful
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  58. #1 should have been... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...a "Top 10" website that doesn't make you wade through ten pages of ads. Nice work.

    rj

  59. Boxcutter+747, IED, AK47, bomb-jacket by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Back in 1999, the world was finally becoming a civilized place. The Soviet Union was gone, 40 years of nuclear terrorism were over, and we were in the trailing edge of a long technology boom even though most of us realized that selling dogfood online might not be an entirely sustainable business model :-)

    Two years later the world was going to Hell.

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  60. I'll choose when "The Decade"(tm) is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is in a year from now. One more year for you to try to understand that.
    Can I already place bets on what year the mainstream media will call the end of the next decade?

    Captcha: throbs, which is what the pain in my head does like when people don't understand basic math.

  61. Re:What is meant by CRT Tubes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CRT is short for
    Cathode
    Ray
    Tube

    so CRT Tubes does not make sense. Just like why would Chewbacca, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, live on Endor with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks?

  62. Following you now by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Let me clarify myself on this. If you look at the 1G to 3G iPods, note on the 1G and 2G model they had buttons surround the "wheel," and the 3G had buttons above the "wheel." It was with the 4G iPod (using an idea borrowed from the iPod mini) that 1) Apple got rid of the additional buttons and 2) switched to USB 2.0 as the primary way to interface the iPod with a computer.

    I see what you mean now, because clicking is basically "on the wheel" from then on. That does make sense (although I think I would argue in favor of the design with a physical wheel surrounded by buttons, but that does not scale in size as well I think and is worse in terms of durability).

    But I still don't really see the benefit of not supporting both, as they used to do (I think the 2G and up had the dock). All USB seemed more a cost savings than anything.

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  63. Re:Obviouslyererer... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    They've been around for 70+ years. Killed more people in WW2 and Vietnam than they did in this decade.

  64. Stop the madness by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    Somebody called this 'lazy journalism' where the writer comes up with a list (10 best/10 worst ad
    infinitum) without having to disclose anything that you didn't already know. They usually pop up at
    year's end.

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  65. Yeah... What he said... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Also, those gadgets have a very closed circle of users.

    Calling that a "gadget that defined a decade" is kinda like referring to a Zune in the same way.

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