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What Would Have Entered the Public Domain Tomorrow?
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from Duke's Center for the Study of the Public Domain about items that would enter the public domain starting on January 1, 2010, if not for copyright extenions: "'Casino Royale, Marilyn Monroe's Playboy cover, The Adventures of Augie March, the Golden Age of Science Fiction, Crick & Watson's Nature article decoding the double helix, Disney's Peter Pan, The Crucible'... 'How ironic that Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, with its book burning firemen, was published in 1953 and would once have been entering the public domain on January 1, 2010. To quote James Boyle, "Bradbury's firemen at least set fire to their own culture out of deep ideological commitment, vile though it may have been. We have set fire to our cultural record for no reason; even if we had wanted retrospectively to enrich the tiny number of beneficiaries whose work keeps commercial value beyond 56 years, we could have done so without these effects. The ironies are almost too painful to contemplate.""
I'm going to treat them as if they have entered the public domain.
I personally find the rollover popups in TFA to be more offensive, but I take your point. Whats in your list?
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Everything TFA mentions is in the public domain! It's all available via bittorrent!
in an alternate universe!
These copyright "extensions" are nothing more than another government bailout.
Any legislator that voted for these extensions should be voted out of office, no matter their party affiliation. There wasn't even the possibility that they'd put the good of the citizens above the good of corporations.
You are welcome on my lawn.
...I find that you just want media that is the IP of others (legally so) offensive.
You've just turned me off to the whole IP copyright abandedment argument.
The tone of the submitter was as if the works had some how died or at least been banned from distribution. Back in the 50s there was no internet or home computers. Without traditional distribution and funding most of these works either would have never existed in the first place or had never been released for the public. Be happy the works exist so rights can be debated over.
The Copyright Act of 1976 did away with the "x years, with an additional x years on renewal" clause of copyright law; nowadays you just have one option, which is the length of the copyright term. Allowing authors and artists to renew their copyrights if they so choose keeps commercially viable works protected (which is arguably good), as it will be worth it to pay the fee to renew the copyright, but it also lets works that aren't commercially viable (and in many cases, not even commercially available) fall into the public domain much sooner. Since copyright encompasses all works, not simply those that the entertainment industry promotes and sells and makes huge profits from, it needs a sort of balance and the return of copyright renewal could be a step along that path.
I mean, there are lots of creative works out there that are still under copyright, but because there's no central registry of copyright holders (which is another advantage that copyright renewal could bring, as it would require registration), it's difficult, expensive, or just plain impossible to find out who the rights holders are. These are works that are decades old and haven't brought in any profit in years and years- and yet it's still illegal to use them because of copyright law.
Thanks a lot, Mickey.
That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
This is an excellent idea, to continually point out what we're losing out in the reneged Copyright bargain. The next step, for those with far less imagination than our own, is to point out the kinds of successful artistic endeavors can stand on the shoulders of the culture that has entered public domain. Point out that if powerful Copyright had prevailed earlier, then without heirs' approval, we would not have such works as Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, The West Side Story (adaptation of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliette), and many adaptations of The Raven including The Simpsons. What kind of legal pain happens when protected works stifle creative adaptation? Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind was retold from the slaves' point of view in The Wind Done Gone, long after Mitchell died; the heirs sued over its publication and finally took a payoff to allow an 'unauthorized parody' label on it (which is ironic, as 'parody' is one of the four valid branches of copyright infringement defense).
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I've been wanting to read J.D. Salinger's Nine Stories. It would have been lovely to find it on Project Gutenberg.
There's a real reason for this that has nothing to do with any biases: There wasn't much by way of feminist literature being written in 1954. This was a full decade before such classics as The Feminine Mystique, and in the realm of speculative fiction predates McCaffrey or LeGuin.
I am officially gone from
The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
...at the beginning of the decade I believed this, but turns out it doesn't if the damage is sufficient.
To sum up this decade: We marvelled upon the freedoms that networked computers promised; not merely electronic versions of existing media, but a whole new frontier, only to watch it be crushed for the most trivial of reasons.
1. Protectionism in the popular music and film industry. All that is trivial, frivolous yet mildly entertaining in our culture.
2. The completely non-existent, child predator moral-panic, boogeyman.
3. Security theatre and the statistically vanishing threat of global terrorism.
Out of a comprehensive list of possible reasons, those have to right at the bottom of the list, scraping the barrel of pathetic excuses.
Copyright extension- ok BUT
1) Copyright extension renewal required. If you or your heirs dont care enough about your copyright to file paperwork and send in a check to cover the costs
of copyright preservation then you dont get one.
2) All copyrights from this point on come with a set date of copyright expiration at filing that cannot be lengthened beyond that date.
I wonder if the people who actually created the work care that after five decades they may not be able to make a miniscule amount of income from it - personally, I would be fairly embarrassed if I made one 'great work' and then ended up desperately lobbying governments to protect my one meagre source of income, instead of continuing my artistic development and releasing new material that consumers value enough to buy (while getting a kick out of the fact that someone's rewritten a story that I wrote decades ago, and is now making their own name).
One thing that people do not seem to understand is that if works were entering public domain this does not mean that there would be huge numbers of things suddenly available for free. What it likely means is that some mega-distributor (think WalMart or Sony) would snap up materials that no longer had an "owner" and they would publish and distribute them.
Now some people might laugh at a book on the shelf at WalMart that was simply a reprint of something that had entered public domain. Alternatively, there are many that would buy it. Printing books is cheap, promoting them is not. If WalMart had zero cost other than simply putting the book on the shelf, would they print lots of books?
Would Sony make them available "exclusively" for the Sony Reader? Wouldn't it be fun to see Amazon and Sony both declaring that they exclusively were making Gone With the Wind available to for their devices? And then Barnes and Nobel coming along with "their" version for their device.
Free stuff isn't interesting to people with large distribution channels. Stuff you can charge for, even just 1% over the cost of production, is much more interesting. Stuff you can charge 200% over the cost of production is even more interesting. As long as most of the world doesn't have access to high-speed Internet connections or have the knowledge to make use of them distribution is going to be where the big bucks are.
The original copyright term was 14 years, with another 14 years if you bothered to renew. That's the maximum copyright any work should get. Anything longer than that is grossly unfair.
Glad to see you are offended. You might check out some early feminist literature - I refer specifically to a book called "The Woman Who Did". After reading this you will understand why nobody is interested in feminist literature before about 1960 or so. Depressing and whacked-out come to mind to describe this early version of the genre.
Everything you mentioned before "I am offended" is completely irrelevant to both the article and any point you are trying to make.
Here we go, the whining and complaining from people who are too cheap or too poor to buy a Congressman. Congress works fantastically well if you're willing to invest in it. The return on a few hundred thousand bucks can reach into the billions, as the entertainment, weaponry, and banking/gambling industries have shown -- go find any other investment with that sort of ROI. Stop yer socialist whining -- Congress does a fantastic job when it's made worth its while.
The Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 passed in both houses by voice vote. Under the U.S. Constitution, it takes either one-fifth of either house or a presidential veto in order to force a roll-call vote. So I guess you have to vote against anyone who served in the 105th Congress.
The tone of the submitter was as if the works had some how died or at least been banned from distribution.
A copyright owner who takes a work out of print effectively bans it from distribution. You can prove me wrong by showing me evidence of an authentic U.S. DVD release of Disney's Song of the South. Works whose copyright owner cannot be located are also banned from distribution.
Without traditional distribution and funding most of these works either would have never existed in the first place or had never been released for the public.
The works were first published when the statutory maximum copyright term for a new work was 56 years, with a maintenance fee due in the 28th year. How would Congress's failure to extend the copyright term in 1976 and 1998 have caused these works not to have been published in the 1950s?
the return of copyright renewal could be a step along that path.
One condition of joining the World Trade Organization is joining the Berne Convention, which appears to ban countries from requiring a renewal or any other formality from a copyright owner. Reintroducing copyright renewal might require the United States to withdraw from the WTO.
My great-great grandmother wrote a book in the late 1960s just before she died. It is long ago out of print, but we luckily have a copy thanks to someone who had a used copy for sale on Amazon.com and our luck of happening to look for it right when it was for sale.
I would love to make a PDF copy and put it up on my genealogy site as a free download, however from my reading of copyright laws it appears it is still under copyright. No one knows who is the owner of the copyright is at this point, we have no idea if the publisher is still around, and I doubt it sold more than a few hundred copies back when it was released in the first place. No way it would make any money at this point even if it came back into print. In short, the best place for this book is the public domain.
A perfect example of what a smartly written copyright law could do. This book should have long ago been in the public domain and even if it was copyrighted thanks to a renewal, there should be clear information on who the owner is.
Civil disobedience, in a sense. Everyone treat things as if they were in the PD, even companies.
When enough people go along with the idea, it'll happen for real.
Yay, finally I'm not the one getting swooshed! Everything else was quoted from a comment a few weeks back that I'm too lazy to find.
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If a work is still making money after 28 years, it's been an enormous success already.
One of the arguments of Dr. Seuss Enterprises in favor of copyright term extension was that a work's author deserves the exclusive right over adaptations in media invented after the publication of the original work, like the CG-film version of Horton Hears a Who.
I was replying to the comment above mine, not to whatever you are imagining.
I was "imagining" comment #30610964 by joebok.
We have not "set fire to our cultural record". The firemen in Bradbury's story systematically destroyed works to remove them from the culture. There is no such destruction and/or removal of works from our culture. There is a limiting of the works for the benefit of the copyright holders, but the works still exist and are accessible. The works are even available at lending libraries.
His statement is not a fallacy. It is an outright lie.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Don't be offended by Slashdot. Be offended by Duke University. That's where the quoted text was from. There are other reasons to be offended by some members of the Slashdot crowd in the same realm.
If you read the story, women are mentioned also. It doesn't appear to be a male biased article. Most likely it wasn't heavily researched for the sake of gender bias, but more of a reflection of works that the author recognized from a big list.
There were a lot of books published, and they couldn't possibly mention them all.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
He was replying to the guy who said he merely wanted to read the book
And I was saying that passive enjoyment of a work is not the most important part of public domain status. It's like the difference between Creative Commons licenses with the NoDerivs clause compared to licenses with the ShareAlike clause or neither clause, or like the difference between freeware and free software.
LoL. I can't be expected to read every comment that gets posted on Slashdot now, can I? Especially those that are likely to get modded into oblivion.
The GNU General Public License (GPL) is the appropriate response to draconian copyright law. If they want to make copyright with indefinite length and draconian punishments for violators, then GPL becomes the new public domain.
In some senses, this new GPL Domain is better than the public domain, precisely because it is "viral". Anything based on the public domain need not acknowledge its heritage, but anything based on the GPL Domain requires it.
At first, the content pool is small, but as it grows and becomes the richest and easiest material to re-use, it reaches critical mass. And pity the poor corporations who touch a GPL work and try to call it their own, as they are now hoisted on their own petard.
Late to the thread, anyway here is the obligatory read concerning copyrights (short read, 1.5 pages): Melancholy Elephants by Spider Robinson. Basically, to protect all the artists some must be disadvantaged. The some fight tooth and nail to prevent this. Being disadvantaged is having your work enter the public domain. The "all" who are protected are the artists of today, tomorrow, and forever who get to use ideas to resurrect, reinvent, or just plain re-do. Give all artists these protections and all of us in the wider society benefit, thrive, and grow.
Shh.
This should be marked as "Funny", not "Offtopic". Are people REALLY that slow on the uptake of new memes?
As an addition you are only disadvantaged if you are not flexible enough to take advantage of the markets in a reasonable time. If you don't do this then it is not our problem, go stick your head in the sand somewhere else.
Shh.
I've been thinking about a moral thought game. What if someone made a free iPhone game that was rather good, and set it out for free? Technically, you'll be taking the jobs of a lot of people--often independent developers--who won't get a sale. As far as I know, nobody has done this--ever, in the entire world.
Where's the +1, True mod?
Shh.
It's too bad your mind is too closed to the real harm being done by too-long copyright. Derivative works: if the term was twenty years we could be enjoying remakes of Alien or 2001 or anything from back then. Not only would we as a culture be enriched by having more choice but the people who created those choices would have their own twenty years to prove they understand capitalism as it relates to society as well.
Shh.
Mickey Mouse will never enter the public domain. Disney will always get a retroactive extension to copyright that includes it through congress before that happens. You can argue that this is bad/unfair/unconstitutional/great/etc but that is the practical reality. Any practical proposal for a reform of the copyright system has to take this into account.
Under the current system this means that anything from that era forward also stays out of the public domain forever, including “orphan works”. The loss of these “orphan works” that are long out of print and with no clear owner is the one thing that (almost) everyone can agree is a Bad Thing. So, any reform that has any chance of passing must improve the situation with those items while preserving the interests of politically powerful copyright holders (Disney, Sony, etc). I can see some options that could do it, though in any real world implementations would reveal some flaws.
Opt-in renewal is the one we hear tossed around the most. This sets forgotten material into the public domain but preserves the copyright on anything the owner finds worthy of a nominal renewal fee. It has the added bonus of registering who you can license the publishing rights from.
Letting works fall into the public domain after being out of print for X years could also accomplish the above goals. It would also have the added bonus of encouraging publishers to keep a work available/in-print to preserve their rights.
Lastly we could instead create a special extension for trademarks, franchises, and corporate identifiers. Things strongly associated with an ongoing business could be protected for a longer period. DC would keep Superman and Disney would keep Mickey, but an out of print science article would not get the new extension and would eventually enter the public domain.
None of these proposals would satisfy copyleft purists or “hands off my copyright!” paranoids but they could be a reasonable starting point for compromise.
Most people, if it was explained to them, would agree that copyright right now is excessive. Saying it is necessary for government is a strawman, what are our principles if they are not even good enough to live by? What does it say about our foundations when we cheat ourselves? Change it, find revenue elsewhere, if your principles themselves cannot support your nation then maybe its time for your nation to dissolve.
Shh.
My library doesn't have access to every work ever made. Neither does the Internet but that comes closer. And if I copyrighted my name which perhaps is the same as yours you'd better not give it to your kid or I'll sue you and put you into a re-instated debtor's prison. Forever.
Shh.
from Europe!...
Thank you, I'll vote for the Pirate Party ideals as soon as they are fully formed in my nation.
Shh.
There are many such works already, for example: The Public Domain, which is a free book that details exactly why Copyright is broken and how you are getting screwed. Enclosing the commons of the mind indeed.
Shh.
Big content opposes the public domain because with the competition people might realize they don't need big content, maybe even at all.
Shh.
I tried to argue with people on the wikipedia help desk: it is hard to make out when the copyright for a particular wikipedia article will expire, or has expired, since one has hardly any handle on who contributed.
It's kind of the other end of the GPL, and Creative Commons, etc. licenses.
In general I think it would be better to have markers (C) Copright-Expires-Date, instead of (C) Creation-Date. The problem being, of course, that the expiration date is tied to when the creator dies.
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Well. I guess the only solution is to keep shooting people on Disney's board of directors then? Keep that disruption going and you will be impeding further extensions to copyrights. Perhaps not in time for yourself but maybe for your grandchildren with current limits some of that restricted material will be able to enter their minds without shackles of control. That would give them at least some of what was stolen from you and perhaps allow them to defend themselves from the world a bit better through greater character. They're stealing what could have been so defend what is not there!
Shh.
Bypass all patent laws ... buy a compound on a Private Island and become a nation unto yourself. Get beneficial tax benefits, a low cost labor force, and few environmental and business regulations. Win Government contracts by undercutting all competition. If only that pesky Guild didn't exist.
Thomas Macaulay, 1842.
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I don't think it being a meme has anything to do with it; it's not funny, regardless of whether or not it's a meme. Just because someone makes a familiar reference doesn't make it humorous, regardless of how often that shtick is pulled on Family Guy.
All the old dos and windows 3.1 games it's about time for a lot of them.
It's important to the copyright lobby that old works become locked away, inaccessible to anyone. If you're reading Watership Down then you're not reading Harry Potter and the Basket of Radishes. The more historical culture is available to us the more we tend to stay with the stuff that's stood the test of time and less of today's releases which frankly have never been more good than bad.
This is probably a bigger motivator for endless copyrights than being able to milk a few additional dollars a year out of 20 year old works.
It's a huge loss because it's the remixing of the old with the new that allows us to find new heights of imagination and build identification with our culture. Very few people can build a solid attachment to a culture that's perpetually two years old. The net result of this is that of course we become less interested in civics and nationalism - at our peril. Unrestrained nationalism is a bad thing of course, but the complete lack of national identity leads people to the necessary conclusion that their nation lacks redeeming values worth preserving.
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To be honest there wasn't that much feminist lit that many years ago compared to all the other stuff from that same time period. Plus maybe all of the feminist lit DID enter public dmain.
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You just got trolled hard.
I for one, welcome our new 49 yo feminist grandmother C programmer overlords!
Fixed that.
"No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed."
This is the classic exposition of what "ex post facto" means in in America law and it has held for 212 years.
I will state what laws I consider ex post facto laws, within the words and the intent of the prohibition. 1st. Every law that makes an action , done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2nd. Every law that aggravates a crime, or makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3rd. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offence, in order to convict the offender. All these, and similar laws, are manifestly unjust and oppressive. In my opinion, the true distinction is between ex post facto laws, and retrospective laws. Every ex post facto law must necessarily be retrospective; but every retrospective law is not an ex post facto law: The former, only, are prohibited. Every law that takes away, or impairs, rights vested, agreeably to existing laws, is retrospective, and is generally unjust; and may be oppressive; and it is a good general rule, that a law should have no retrospect: but there are cases in which laws may justly, and for the benefit of the community, and also of individuals, relate to a time antecedent to their commencement; as statutes of oblivion, or of pardon.
The expressions 'ex post facto laws,' are technical, they had been in use long before the Revolution, and had acquired an appropriate meaning, by Legislators, Lawyers, and Authors. The celebrated and judicious Sir William Blackstone, in his commentaries, considers an ex post facto law precisely in the same light I have done. His opinion is confirmed by his successor, Mr. Wooddeson; and by the author of the Federalist, who I esteem superior to both, for his extensive and accurate knowledge of the true principles of Government. Calder v. Bull, 3 Dall. 386 (1798)
Copyright on scientific articles is the most evil of all, in my opinion as a researcher. I, and most other fellow scientists don't get paid by the publisher for our works. In fact, the salary of a scientist in general is meager. But we find pleasure in what we do, and in sharing our science with humankind. What we do is intended for everybody, and not to perpetually keep money flowing into the coffins of the Elseviers, the IOPs, Wileys of this world. I am astonished sometimes, to see that a lot of fundamental articles, published decades ago (in the 60's, or even earlier) is still not freely accessible by the public. I can't help but think "what douchebags, profiting like leeches from the work of scientists, many now defunct, whereas the work was intended for the whole world".
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
As a male who fully supports the feminist view, How about you correct the oversight and list them for our education.
Please.
Perhaps 7 years automatic for free, with the next 7 years costing $1,000, and the next costing $10,000, and the next costing $100,000, then $1,000,000, and so forth. A 10x increase for each extension
This is so ridiculously biased towards big media and against the little guy that the geek ought to be ashamed for ever having posted it.
$1 for the first year, $2 for the second, redoubling each day thereafter. Prepaid or you lose it forever. A public registry of all expired works.
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To bad we don't look back at the copyright background of Walt Disney and his pioneering recycling of his copyrighted materials.....
Not all of this is to be blamed on todays RIAA and other corporate controls. They have just learned from the past and applied it to today's
mind set of perpetuity.
In a world where the lyrics of RATM, say, or Henry Miller's rants, are even copyrightable to begin with, a world where an RMS can seriously be considered a communist by some, you want to talk about irony? And since when is irony a consideration in public policy discussions anyway? Good God, man, we'd have to dismantle 90% of the federal government.
Oh, wait...
The optimal time is 15 years, to 99% certainty less than 38 years [pdf] according to Rufus Pollock, an economist at Cambridge specializing in intellectual property. An updated annoying Web slideshow from his most recent talk on the subject is here and the narrative is here.
Even assuming we made it 28 years from publication at the first go to stay straight with the WTO, every bit of content produced before 1/1/1982 would be in the public domain tomorrow including the movies "Chariots of Fire" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark", the books "Cujo" and "Red Dragon", the songs "9 to 5" and "Physical". The value of these works as cultural artifacts are worth far more now than their residual commercial value.
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Unconstitutional...
"No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed."
Congress broke the biggest law.
While I agree with the sentiment behind your post, a retroactive copyright extension is not an ex post facto law.
An ex post facto law is one that retroactively outlaws a past act, punishing someone for doing something that was legal at the time. Retroactive copyright extension doesn't do that: if I legally copy a public domain work today, and then the copyright term is extended tomorrow (taking that work out of the public domain), I'm in the clear. Only future copying is illegal.
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So... how many Libraries of Congress worth of culture have we lost?
Try this
Here in Spain we have the right to copy whatever copyrighted material to anybody, just not violating these two points at the same time:
- You are not to earning money.
- Nonody is f*cked by the copy (so, the author grants it)
So, in any non-comercial transaction (i.e. p2p) the public access to culture prevails over any other right.
My question is....
If somebody from a so different lawsuit as the US comes to Spain and I give him 1TB of mp3 whilst in Spain.... Can he go back to the US and still be sticked to US laws? in fact, that was a present, and that was legal in Spain... I don't see it illegal to 'move that present' into the US, as the mp3s on themselves aren't illegal at all!
Any ideas?
In fact, Oedipus Rex must have been the summation of centuries of literature - a beautiful distillation of a multitude of plot devices to their purest form. It seems fairly certain. Today such a thing could be neither written nor performed. Does Oedipus not share some protected attributes with Beowulf, of recent cinematic success? Is not Jocasta too close a representation of the intellecually protected Cleopatra?
All art is derivative. The protection of individual pieces of art ignores this fact and grants to the author a super position over those (hopefully) great shoulders he stands upon as if newer thoughts were superior to older ones. The only purpose for this can be to completely halt progress in the arts.
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What it likely means is that some mega-distributor (think WalMart or Sony) would snap up materials that no longer had an "owner" and they would publish and distribute them.
In the late '80s or early '90s my mom would take me shopping with her in Walmart. At the time, the store had a large bin full of classic, public domain paperbacks printed by Aerie Books and offered as a 2/$1 deal. This was a boon for a poor kid who didn't have a computer or regular library access. I'm not sure if anything similar is offered today.
Several people have come here insisting that public domain is not about getting free stuff but accumulating a cultural context to build upon it and create new stuff, it is true but. what if I want to rip or redistribute the original work? is it inherently wrong?
Not long ago, the only way to transfer the experience of traveling to another country was narrating it, repetitively. If you were really good describing scenery with words you could write it down. If you were good at drawing you could try to make some sketches.
Not anymore, now we take pictures and video, we are the multimedia generation. Even better, we can transmit this data to anywhere in the planet almost for free almost instantaneously.
We could understand this as an example of human evolution, as if our sensory organs, mental retention and expressive abilities were directly evolved.
Not long ago, if you saw a play on the theater and wanted to transmit the experience you'd have to reinterpret every character and dialog as best as you could.
Nowadays, if you do the equivalent of going to the theater, going to the movie theater, and wanted transmit this experience to someone all you have to do is give them a torrent of the movie you saw.
Except you aren't allowed to do that.
The same technological evolution that upgraded you from human to super human a second ago is outlawed when it comes to copyright. In fact you can't even remember it for yourself with technology, you have to rely in your biological memory.
Access to the information, each access to the information is now owned by someone.
The typical rebuttal/mockery of this line of thought is that you could access to this information for a modicum price, to call you a cheapo who wouldn't pay for a movie ticket and such.
But if you saw digital recording/replay/transmission as an extension of your own being, as I do, you'd understand that you are basically asking me to accept an intermediary between me and my brain. An intermediary with the capacity to both, impose control or charge for use, any use, every use.
This is particularly obvious to me with things like classical music. The music itself is public domain but the interpretation is not. If I want to remember a piece -legally- my only options are to either only rely on my biological memory or accept a gatekeeper.
That I'm not allowed to digitally store everything I see and hear seems like a horrible intrusion from the government and a obstacle for our evolution.
I know some will find this a delusional rant, but I really fear that unless there is a shift in political power, the first full brain machine interface we'll see will also be the first DRM'ed brain.
But... the future refused to change.
LOL
Some questions for thought with regards to the issues of rights and ownership. The readership here is big on rights. Where's consideration for these peoples' rights? Pretending the issue is between the public (ie. domain) and governmental control is overly simplistic. The rights of the owners get devalued in such discussions and the owners are relegated to the ping pong ball treatment. Try to read through and think on them before responding. This is not intended as flamebait, but as an opening of awareness to include a class of rights holders not as often considered here as others. So please do read through all the way to the bottom, there are important points there too.
So, reconsider this as "Whose Property Would You Have Taken Away Tomorrow"?
Why not contact some of the authors/owners for things that would have gone PD and ask them to sign their rights over to PD? Seems to me to be more fair to have the owners sign them over at a time of their choosing than forcing them to relinquish according to a calendar.
Why not require authors to include a 'convert to PD' statement in their new application for copyright, which gives them up to a mandated maximum, but for which they can specify a lesser amount?
For that matter, why not have every application for copyright have a question on it, asking the applicant for their opinion on future changes to the law, asking what time span would be fair to use as the maximum before requiring conversion to PD? Non-binding certainly, but at least it takes the opinions of those most affected into account.
While in force copyright acts much like other rights of ownership. How many other laws covering protection of owners' rights require the owner to give their property away after a certain period? No matter how rightly this is required, as has always been the intention of copyright laws, it still is a case of mandated relinquishing of ownership.
Turn it around and look at it. Let's say you buy a brand new house. In the deed is a statement that in let's say 50 years, it becomes property of the state and will be given over to the homeless, under control of the same agency that protects your ownership in the mean time. You can still live there, but so can anyone else. Oh, and selling the house doesn't change that date. Consider what that's going to do to your property value over time. If that was the law and you wanted a house, of course you'd have to go along. But as time went on the implications would start to matter more. Now imaging that the government comes along and says they're going to change all existing contracts saying 50 years to 75 years. Will you, as owner, have a problem with that? Theoretically the law also protected the homeless by providing them a place to live. They have rights too, and it's beneficial for society to have its members caring for each other rather than have one class left to go without since that causes all sorts of other problems like crime. Will you tell the government that you'd just as soon keep your 50 year limit and allow your ownership to expire? And you people in the market for a house that can't afford a new one but are willing to fix up and old one to maker it worth more, will you buy a used house? How old?
That's simply property. Copyright covers things that usually produce income for the owner, sometimes for an extended period. So let's change the above from owning a home to owning a business (owning, selling and speculation of copyrights are part of the business of authorship and publishing, after all). Will you start a business if you know that after 50 years it will be turned over to public trust and all income derived diverted to public funds? What will you do as the time approaches? Will you stick to your original contract or will you accept the government's extension?
Society needs responsible and stable owners of both homes and businesses to maintain what they own for the duration of their ownership. The alternative is their neglect as the value to them draws down. The result would be that t
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Screw this shit...just go to irc and download all the old sci fi ebooks you need.
Looks like Robert Heinlein wrote this, and it does feel fairly applicable to this situation:
"There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped or turned back, for their private benefit."
Hope no one else posted this.... apologies if this is a duplicate post.
Obviously, what he failed to foresee is that corporations could in fact have the government change common law, by employing the services of enough lobbyists.
Corporations do not have rights; sadly, we give them rights and falsely site a legal ruling (which never happened) while at the same time restricting rights to non-citizens under the claim that only citizens have any rights. This is a SICK situation we are in. It undermines democracy.
Corporations were pretty much non-existent before the civil war. Why should corporations be allowed to hold such assets at all? They'll be kept busy dealing with the owners and contract agreements... and wanting the owner to LIVE longer instead of laying them off later.
Not that any reform is possible; we must first get approval from the WTO...
You are just a consumer and some are voters- no large organization thinks of you as a citizen anymore.
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I cannot wait for the day that I am able to live off of the work of others. I really should have attained that MBA.
Please do not fullquote, especially in a threaded inline discussion.
Every couple of days there's another slashdot discussion bemoaning the evils of the current copyright scheme and advocating changes.
Get it through your thick skulls: the only changes that you are likely to see will be either for the worse or purely cosmetic, because the only people able to effect a change are the ones that benefit most from the current system and there is nothing, *NOTHING* you can do about it.
Democracy? Bah! As if the ability to choose between Kang and Kodos counts.