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New Research Suggests G-Spot Doesn't Exist

krou writes to tell us that according to a new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, a team from King's College London has found no evidence to suggest that the G-Spot actually exists, and they believe it may be a myth encouraged by magazines and sex therapists. The study performed is the largest of its kind, including some 1,800 women, and still was unable to find meaningful proof. Of course, the studies were probably all led by men, who everyone knows can't find the G-Spot anyway.

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  1. Vaginas on /. by sopssa · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the crowd goes wild..

    On a more serious note, why do you have to make it so technical? Different areas stimulate differently and some are more powerful than others. If girls say that specific area pleasures them more, you don't have to make tons of researches about it. You can just believe it. And like with everything else sexual, it can difference between people.

    If you are coming (as a man, and as a hint for slashdot's girls), stimulating the area between your balls and asshole makes your orgasm a lot more powerful. It's even possible to come just by stimulating that area, without touching your dick (I've done it). That is actually what's called men "g-spot", while technically its deeper in your ass, but you can stimulate it somewhat from under your balls too. If you're not up for gay sex, you can of course ask your girl to put a finger in your ass and try to stimulate it from there.

    Also why not just experience? Girls tend to let you know what feels good, in a way or another. Or just ask her if she has spotted it and help you stimulate it. It will be slighty different with every girl, because everyones body and sexuality is slighty different.

    If there's one area in your life thats not all technical and about science, let it be sex, and just have fun.

    1. Re:Vaginas on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you are coming (as a man, and as a hint for slashdot's girls), stimulating the area between your balls and asshole makes your orgasm a lot more powerful. It's even possible to come just by stimulating that area, without touching your dick (I've done it).

      TMI

    2. Re:Vaginas on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      WAY TMI. My eyes bleed.

    3. Re:Vaginas on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      WAY TMI. My eyes bleed.

      So do vaginas.

    4. Re:Vaginas on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

          I have to post AC on this one..

          Here's a map for those who don't know. :)

          TFA is a piece of crap story. It's very small on some women, but I've always managed to find it. Any women who haven't had it explored, drop me a line. :)

          It does exist on both men and women. It can also be slightly manipulated from the outside.

          On women from inside, touching towards the abdomen, you will feel a spongy area. Just up (towards her head) from there is it. It's not in exactly the same place on everyone, but it's there. Every woman is a bit different on how manipulating it feels best for them too. Experiment, and learn what your lover is telling you.

          You can manipulate it from outside too. Basically, pressure on the abdomen, just above the pubic bone, curling your fingers down (towards her feet) slightly.

          The combination of those will drive her wild. With enough practice, you can hit it right off every time. After a few demonstrations, even the threat of it can drive her to an orgasm. :) The combination works much better on skinny women. The external stimulus simply doesn't work well through layers of fat. (no offense to large women, just the facts)

          The g-spot can be reached from the rectum also, but there is more stuff in the way. Some women like it that way though.

          As for fingers in my rectum.. Well.. I'd prefer that be left alone. I'm perfectly content having orgasms without anything in my ass.

    5. Re:Vaginas on /. by t0p · · Score: 5, Funny

      My eyes bleed.

      You're doing it wrong. The GP said asshole not eye sockets.

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    6. Re:Vaginas on /. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Any women who haven't had it explored, drop me a line. :)

      I suppose that's the downside of posting anonymously...

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    7. Re:Vaginas on /. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only one that noticed that all they did for this "study" was ask twins if they both had G-spots? I mean, seriously?

      This wasn't "research", this was a survey. Given the fact that finding the G-spot is largely dependant on your partner, two twins could easily have different experiences.

      What they should have done is if one twin reported having a G-spot and the other did not, then test both women in the same spot (the area the first twin reported the g-spot to be located). If they are both stimulated the same, boom, you've found your g-spot. If only the twin who reported the g-spot showed increased stimulation, then you know it's all psychological.

      You could then compare the results to known stimulators, like the clitoris, and see if the g-spot is really any better.

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    8. Re:Vaginas on /. by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      This study is yet another piece of controversy on the topic. There have been peer-reviewed studies that have gone both ways on the issue.

      Probably the main complicating factor is that the G-spot is about stimulating skene's/paraurethral gland(s), aka, the "female prostate". What develops into the prostate in men develops into this in women. Our bodies are homologous; we develop from the same immature organs, just to different degrees, shapes, sizes, etc. The secretions from it match those of seminal fluid quite closely.

      Just like the prostate can be stimulated in men, so can the female prostate. The problem is that while it's smaller in women, it varies dramatically in size, and can even have degenerated so much that it's outright missing. So right off the bat, you have a huge selection bias problem that you need to neutralize in your studies. A woman with a missing female prostate may well have less stimulation by focusing on that one area, leading to the opposite effect in your study and canceling out positive results.

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    9. Re:Vaginas on /. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...but I AM a master of the Tao, and Native American Sensuality

      ...what you are, is hilarious. And pitiful. At the same time! You can multitask!

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    10. Re:Vaginas on /. by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I knew something wasn't right. I just couldn't put my finger on it.

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    11. Re:Vaginas on /. by edumacator · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some people don't know their asses from a hole on their face.

  2. I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this article on slashdot for the three of us women? Or are there more women lurking than we knew about?

    1. Re:I'm confused by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is this article on slashdot for the three of us women? I've got news for you... the other two are just pretending to be women!

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    2. Re:I'm confused by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Funny

      hi baby, how you doin'?

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    3. Re:I'm confused by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Funny

      I take off my wizard robe and hat.

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  3. Slashdot agrees... by Sepiraph · · Score: 5, Funny

    As most of slashdoters have not seen the G-spot either.

    1. Re:Slashdot agrees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well being I haven't inserted the head on my shoulders into a vagina lately I would have to agree.

    2. Re:Slashdot agrees... by sgage · · Score: 5, Funny

      So this lady goes to the drugstore and tells the pharmacist guy there that her husband has dandruff, and what can she do about it. He says "give him some Head and Shoulders". She thinks for a second and says "how do you give shoulder"?

      Bada-bing.

  4. K, what? by stonecypher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a large, easily felt physical outcropping which is one of several significant stimulus points. Maybe it's not the grafenberg spot, but it's what we think of when we hear g-spot.

    There's a reason that people believe in this thing, ask for it to be stimulated on certain moods, et cetera.

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    1. Re:K, what? by t0p · · Score: 5, Informative

      When I was schooled on the G-Spot by a former girlfriend, she said it was an area on the front wall of the vagina. I could certainly feel the slight swelling that she guided me to. I stimulated it by performing doggy-style or by lifting her legs and thrusting upwards. There was certainly something there that she enjoyed having stimulated. Other women also enjoyed it. But some others didn't experience the same sensations. So maybe it isn't real. But who cares? If some women think it's there and enjoy its stimulation, then it's real enough for them. Which is the important thing.

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    2. Re:K, what? by adamchou · · Score: 2, Informative

      one of several significant stimulus points

      There are actually quite a few. For those that don't know them, here's a good list of the 4 I've learned of

  5. [Smirk] by smitty777 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good thing we on Slashdot found out about this. Now all of us experts on this topic can go back to our normal lives now that we know why that one wasn't working. [/smirk]

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  6. I know where my wifes g-spot is by Jailbrekr · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is in my back right pocket, shaped suspiciously like my wallet.

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    1. Re:I know where my wifes g-spot is by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I suppose she carries your balls around in her purse?

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  7. This is science? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Funny

    The dumb thing about this study is that they ask women if they have a G-spot.

    Shit, with that methodology and the right sample population I can prove that men don't have prostate glands or spleens.

    1. Re:This is science? by Verdatum · · Score: 5, Funny

      "The women in the study, who were all pairs of identical and non-identical twins, were asked whether they had a G-spot."

      "If one did exist, it would be expected that both identical twins, who have the same genes, would report having one."

      STAND BACK! I'M GOING TO TRY PSEUDOSCIENCE!

    2. Re:This is science? by sopssa · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it gets you 900 twins to test for if they have a g-spot, and you will personally conduct that test, the plan is perfect.

    3. Re:This is science? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless those twins all had identical lovers, I don't see how this is relevant. The question is whether it exists at all.

      Unfortunately, I suspect a properly scientific study would require some scientist to learn to find it, and then attempt to find it on each of the women in the study. But that affects the sample population quite a lot, I'd think -- down to "women who like casual sex with scientists."

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  8. Hillariously Flawed Study by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The women in the study, who were all pairs of identical and non-identical twins, were asked whether they had a G-spot. If one did exist, it would be expected that both identical twins, who have the same genes, would report having one.

    Fantastic methodology there! We won't actually study the person, we'll just ask them! What an awesome popularity contest.

    In other news God does exist, 10/10 Christians guarantee it!

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    1. Re:Hillariously Flawed Study by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      teehee...stimulus bill.

    2. Re:Hillariously Flawed Study by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fantastic methodology there! We won't actually study the person, we'll just ask them! What an awesome popularity contest.

      They didn't just merely ask them, they asked identical twins and used the twins as controls of what the other had said. What they basically determined is that for a phenomena that is supposed to be a sensory experience - an orgasm inducing spot - the identical twins couldn't agree (from the cases where both of them said they have a g-spot) where that spot actually is, supporting the notion that it doesn't exist in the first place.

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    3. Re:Hillariously Flawed Study by Derekloffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not really. All that would show is that it is not genetically determined. However, there are many things that are very real but are not defined genetically (and all of that assumes the women are actually correct in knowing the spot, which is also not a safe assumption).

    4. Re:Hillariously Flawed Study by left00coaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great idea. We could phrase it along the lines of "formulating the Grafenburg Uncertainty Principle."

  9. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Serenissima · · Score: 5, Funny

    And their weight, and their hair, and if their "sexy clothes" really look sexy, and their breath, and your breath, and their THIS, and their THAT, etc, etc, etc, etc....

    It's amazing how much crap is going on in their heads during sex.

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  10. What?! by Das+Auge · · Score: 5, Funny

    They asked? That's it?

    *sigh*

    For a minute there, I thought I'd found my new dream job. "Now, tell me if this makes you have an orgasm. Don't worry, it's for science."

  11. My Wife Thinks it Exists by Vornzog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My wife claims she notices three distinctly different kinds of orgasms - clit, g-spot, and a more nebulous 'vaginal' one. She never had an orgasm until I figured out where her supposedly non-existent g-spot is - that opened the flood gates to a whole bunch of really good sex.

    Does the g-spot exist? Who cares. Something in the general vicinity of where my wife thinks her g-spot is can be stimulated to bring her to orgasm. Happy wife -> more sex -> happy me!

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    1. Re:My Wife Thinks it Exists by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Funny

      wife? vagina?? orgasms?

      checks the address bar

    2. Re:My Wife Thinks it Exists by EatHam · · Score: 4, Informative

      She never had an orgasm until I figured out where her supposedly non-existent g-spot is

      Yes she did.

  12. Really on Slashdot? by Rogue974 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on, we are supposed to have a meaningful discussion about this here? Let me sum up all the comments that are forth coming. Jokes about /.ers not being able to get out of the basement to get a girl let alone knwoing about their G-Spot. The 3 women on slashdot offering their opinion, which will lead to a bunch of /.ers being surprised that there are women on /. Comments about how we welcome our new G-spot overlords. Yes, it makes no sense but most reading this are saying, woman, what is that? G-Spot, what is that...must be some new kind of fembot, cue the overlord jokes. Imagine a Beowoulf Cluster of these.... The person always complaining about how /. sucks now and how this is not new about something tech related Someone correcting my grammar/spelling mistakes followed by someong correcting their and a spiral for the grammar/spelling Nazis...Jsut for those people in case I don't have enough, I is not bengi thiking that yous peopel is being knwoing Engrish prperly, not like it maters anyway on a plaec of blogging. The few /.ers who claim to have dated women and know where the G-Spot is and are trying to prove they are a man here on /. I think I about covered it all...next topic...please. ;)

    1. Re:Really on Slashdot? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, you forgot "Soviet Russia" jokes

      In Soviet Russia, G spots you!

      There. We are mathematically complete.

  13. That's not the only flaw by BoxedFlame · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Drawing the conclusion that there is no G-spot because it isn't _genetically_ determined is ludicrous. It's like saying humans don't have fingerprints because identical twins have different patterns.

  14. Rim Shot! by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Q: How do you spell clitoris?"

    A: I don't know, but I had it on the tip of my tongue just a moment ago.

  15. Slashdot close to home... by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 5, Funny

    HUSBAND: Shall we try a different position tonight?

    WIFE: That's a good idea.... you stand by the ironing board while I sit at the computer and fart all night.

  16. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by fataugie · · Score: 4, Funny

    That, my friend, is what alcohol is for

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  17. Shhhhhhhh! by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've just managed to convince my wife that her "g-spot" is actually located in her throat -- don't ruin this for me!

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  18. Re:K, what? Bad Methodology by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Informative

    The women in the study, who were all pairs of identical and non-identical twins, were asked whether they had a G-spot. If one did exist, it would be expected that both identical twins, who have the same genes, would report having one.

    So this study is about whether identical twins both self-report the same data. It's possibly a badly executed study on genetics, but it certainly does not study what the headline says.

    In a different study, the spot was found during physical examination, and reportedly can be increased in size through vigorous stimulation. I know, citation needed, but I remember facts better than URLs.

    "This is by far the biggest study ever carried out and shows fairly conclusively that the idea of a G-spot is subjective."

    No, the idea of whether you have one is subjective. Whether you actually have one should be as subjective as whether you have a femur.

    Dr Petra Boynton, a sexual psychologist at University College London, said: "It's fine to go looking for the G-spot but do not worry if you don't find it. It should not be the only focus. Everyone is different."

    Sounds reasonable...

    Recently Italian scientists claimed they could locate the G-spot using ultrasound scans. They said they had found an area of thicker tissue among the women reporting orgasms.

    Sounds like actual evidence...

    But specialists warned there could be other reasons for this difference.

    Sounds speculative.

  19. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's amazing how much crap is going on in their heads during sex.

    Sure, but to be fair, compared to our minds during sex, a pet rock has more going on mentally.

  20. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Abreu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, Bill "Cigar" Clinton didn't help matters much either with his antics and subsequent representation after the fact, which can tend to influence an entire generation as well.

    If that's true, I am sure the current generation will be influenced by George "WMD" Bush's antics and subsequent representation after the facts...

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  21. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anything that makes sex enjoyable... Oh how wrong that could get!

    Anyway - stimulation is more than one single spot, it's a full body experience. And every person is different, and it's an adventure to find the right spots.

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  22. help by dsanfte · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, with all of the suggestions here, I am SO CLOSE to finding my G-spot and I just need a bit of help.

    So I've got two fingers in (relax guys, I am legal, just turned 19 last week), and curled backward to do the 'come here' sign, but backwards, since I am doing this to myself. I am almost two inches in, and it is starting to feel good, but my fingers are short. My question is this: Should I try to go deeper by inserting a third finger, or will this just make my thumb jamb up against my balls?

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    1. Re:help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You need to seek a Mac user to assist you.

  23. To quote George Carlin by zorro-z · · Score: 2, Funny

    I always wanted to work in a deli, just so a woman would come in and ask me to give her some tongue. Then I could tell her, "sorry, I don't get off until 5:00!" Then she'd tell me "I don't get off at all, that's why I'm looking to buy some tongue!"

    Thank you very much; I'm here all week. Try the veal.

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  24. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Middle Eastern country is like a woman. In the short term you plan well and enter targeting sensitive areas. In the long run of course you're stuck with a costly occupation and getting away eventually costs you half your stuff.

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  25. Test that Myth! by jacksinn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see Mythbusters try this one.

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  26. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Nathrael · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course, Bill "Cigar" Clinton didn't help matters much either with his antics and subsequent representation after the fact, which can tend to influence an entire generation as well.

    Dude, remember to whom he's married to.

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  27. I call Bullshit by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I call bullshit on this article.

    I found it right here.

    And I quote:

    The following trademarks used herein are the property of Oldemark, LLC and licensed to Wendy's International, Inc.

    3 Tour Challenge, Best Hamburgers And A Whole Lot More, Big Bacon Classic, Big Classic, Biggie, Biggie Size, Cheddar Lovers, Chicken Temptations, Choose Fresh Choose Wendy's, Classic Double, Classic Single, Classic Triple, Create A Combo, Dave's Biggie, Dave Thomas, Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption (and design), Deletree Conmigo, Eat Great, Even Late!, En Wendy's Comer Es Más Rico, Garden Sensations, Garden Spot

    ...

    If Wendy's got one, then every woman with a hot and juicy does!

  28. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "I don't think they're really thinking about all that during sex, at least if they don't have some kind of a problem. "

    Well...date enough chicks over the years and I think you'll come to agree that most of them have some kind of a problem.

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  29. orignal url by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2, Informative

    here http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123232355/abstract
    abstract of article

    Genetic and Environmental Influences on self-reported G-Spots in Women: A Twin Study
    Andrea Virginia Burri, MSc, Lynn Cherkas, PhD, and Timothy D. Spector, MD
    Department of Twin Research and Genetic Epidemiology, King's College London, London, UK
    Correspondence to Andrea Burri, MSc, Twin Research and Genetic Epidemiology, King's College London, St. Thomas' Hospital, Westminster Bridge Road, London SE1 EH7, UK. Tel: 00447943802987; Fax: 004402071886718; E-mail: andrea.burri@kcl.ac.uk, tim.spector@kcl.ac.uk
    Copyright © 2009 International Society for Sexual Medicine
    KEYWORDS
    G-Spot Twin Study Genetics Heritability
    ABSTRACT

    Introduction. There is an ongoing debate around the existence of the G-spot—an allegedly highly sensitive area on the anterior wall of the human vagina. The existence of the G-spot seems to be widely accepted among women, despite the failure of numerous behavioral, anatomical, and biochemical studies to prove its existence. Heritability has been demonstrated in all other genuine anatomical traits studied so far.

    Aim. To investigate whether the self-reported G-spot has an underlying genetic basis.

    Methods. 1804 unselected female twins aged 22–83 completed a questionnaire that included questions about female sexuality and asked about the presence or absence of a G-spot. The relative contribution of genetic and environmental factors to variation in the reported existence of a G-spot was assessed using a variance components model fitting approach.

    Main Outcome Measures. Genetic variance component analysis of self-reported G-spot.

    Results. We found 56% of women reported having a G-spot. The prevalence decreased with age. Variance component analyses revealed that variation in G-spot reported frequency is almost entirely a result of individual experiences and random measurement error (>89%) with no detectable genetic influence. Correlations with associated general sexual behavior, relationship satisfaction, and attitudes toward sexuality suggest that the self-reported G-spot is to be a secondary pseudo-phenomenon.

    Conclusions. To our knowledge, this is the largest study investigating the prevalence of the G-spot and the first one to explore an underlying genetic basis. A possible explanation for the lack of heritability may be that women differ in their ability to detect their own (true) G-spots. However, we postulate that the reason for the lack of genetic variation—in contrast to other anatomical and physiological traits studied—is that there is no physiological or physical basis for the G-spot. Burri AV, Cherkas L, and Spector TD. Genetic and environmental influences on self-reported G-spots in women: A twin study. J Sex Med **;**:**–**.

  30. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by wes33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Well...date enough chicks over the years and I think you'll come to agree that most of them have some kind of a problem"

    hmmm ... what is the one common factor in all your dates?

  31. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Progman3K · · Score: 2

    Of course, Bill "Cigar" Clinton didn't help matters much either with his antics and subsequent representation after the fact, which can tend to influence an entire generation as well.

    If that's true, I am sure the current generation will be influenced by George "WMD" Bush's antics and subsequent representation after the facts...

    shutupshutupshutup

    Don't let another priceless scientific discussion on /. get turned into another political flamefest

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  32. Re:Placebo effect is just fine thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While it's impossible for you to realize that the common factor is indeed you, it is. I've been there done that. Everyone around me was insisting that I was "selecting" them, and I was insistent otherwise. What brought it into perspective for me was a conversation with a roomate. He was raised in a family full of alcoholics. And he claimed that he could "sense" if someone was an alcoholic. He couldn't explain how, other than just to say that he could. He suggested that it was mostly speech patterns and body language, but also said it was just a "feeling" Having spent time with him I think he indeed could quickly pick up on this. I have since come to the conclusion that we all to some extent or another intuit or know things about others around us that we are not always consciously aware of. In fact some of us are *Oblivious* to it. It's possible for a guy to be attracted to alcoholics or Borderline personalities and not even know it. People don't generally have sex with those they don't find attractive. In fact it's pretty much impossible to line up sex partners without a whole host of selection biases showing up. I now have a firm handle on whatever I was finding "attractive" in my old partners, and i don't find them attractive any longer (for the most part) Instead sometime's I'll see a woman and I'll think "now that right there, that's one crazy ass bitch. Come at you with a steak knife crazy...." And you know what, I would place good money on me being right. There are plenty of crazies of all different sorts out there, it's not hard to find lots and lots of them.