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Pat Robertson Says Haitians Made a Pact WithThe Devil
chipmunk82 writes "Pat Robertson has blamed Tuesday's 7.3 magnitude earthquake on the Haitians' 'pact with the devil' two centuries ago while seeking liberation from the French."
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Sure, that's a much more rational explanation than tectonic plate theory, which couldn't possibly be correct since the planet is only 6,000 years old! Obviously, sin is the root cause of all "natural disasters" or "acts of God". So, if your church gets struck by lightning, then your parishioners have got some explaining to do!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Pat Robertson hasn't been hit by lightning and/or a meteor. (yet)
Pat has a long history of saying stuff like this. He's kinda like the Fred Phelps prototype (except that he's not near the hatemonger Phelps is; just a senile old troll).
Actually the Haitians did at one point make a pact with Satan. Now i do not blame the earth quake on that as tectonic plates have been proven to be real and it just makes much more sense, but the fact still remains that Haiti has had Satan worship for centuries and every 100 years or so the voodoo leaders go up on one of the mountains to renew their agreement.
and every 100 years or so the voodoo leaders go up on one of the mountains to renew their agreement.
Why would you go up on the mountain to communicate with Satan?
Wouldn't the "reception" be better at the sea level or at the bottom of the ocean?
Unless you are saying that it is actually Satan that is running the show up in heaven, or perhaps that he and God are one and the same?
That WOULD explain a lot though...
From crucifixion of Jesus, through Spanish Inquisition to fire-bombing of abortion clinics.
Including the earthquake, as the devil is a well known kidder.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Who would know better than Pat? He's been hand in hand with the forked one for years!
I can't believe people still follow this mentally ill old man!
..says CNN - "Kate Ramsey, a Caribbean scholar at the University of Miami, says that the "pact to the devil" that evangelical Christian Pat Robertson suggested led to Tuesday's earthquake is a 19th century "fabrication" meant to discredit its slave rebellion and Vodou religion. "
- http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/14/haiti.updates/index.html
not that we didn't believe you anyway, Pat.
It is easy to flippantly ridicule a comment like this. However if you actually take the time to THINK about it for a little while, it may not be so crazy after all. For the past three hundred years Hati has been in a precarious situation. However, right next door, the Domican Republic , things are much better off. Why? If you are unwilling to accept that it is in fact the work of the DEVIL, there are two options: 1) The blacks in Haiti are naturally inferior, and incapable of governing themselves. 2) The world for the past three hundred years has waged a continuous and systematic crusade against the blacks in Haiti in response to the overthrow of the French rulers 300 years ago. If you believe the 2nd, you must also believe there is an organization to carry out this task. Hence you believe a shadowy illuminate exists controlling the affairs of nations. This is pretty insane if you ask me. It also makes a nation weak by blaming all the difficulties on others and not accepting responsibility yourself. If you believe the 1st option, you are a racist. Noone likes racists. However if you just blame it on the devil, you have assigned a nations ills to ONE cause that the nation can rally behind and fight. By claiming that the Devil made Haitians deforest half their country in order to make charcoal, or that the Devil make the politicians corrupt and self interested, you are facing the problem head on. Religion was created to force people who have no natural proclivity 'to do the right thing', onto the path of the straight and narrow. By blaming the counties ills on sins, you are encouraging the Haitians not to Sin. This is a good thing. We need Christian fundumentalists to come into the country, take it over, and root out the Devil from every rock and cranny that he might be hiding under.
This is one of those people who love to stir up a storm for the heck of it. Ignore him and he will no longer matter, admittadly this wont stop him from saying stupid shit just he will be ignored. And then likely go on to host a show on fox news
every anarchist is a baffled dictator. Benito_Mussolini
Dear ceiling cat, I pray you to protect us from some's stupidity. If you need some help in this mission, I'll also pray the spaghetti monster.... Amen.
...we are talking about a specific kind of worshiping. Namely, that of the devil.
And everyone knows that the devil is in hell, which is down, while god is in heaven, which is up.
Note also that Moses had much better reception from god, and with no interruptions nor interference from the devil while he was up on a mountain.
While Jesus had much better reception of the devil's signal - cause he didn't go up on a mountain but to the desert instead.
Damn bastard kept coming on and on...
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Japan is an island with very limited sources of food.
On the other hand, they have a very deeply installed sense of obligation and "properness".
So, if you are a poor peasant or fisherman that can no longer "pull your own weight" and all you do is just spend food and wait to die - it is a very proper thing to ease your family's troubles by just "going away".
Or be carried away, which was often a more likely case.
Being that if you are too old and too sick to work, you are also too old and too sick to climb up a mountain by yourself.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.. Thou shalt not suffer a Troll to speak..
So we ignore the ramblings of Joel Osteen, and he is seen as mainstream and acceptable. I'm not a fan, but I really have no issue with him.
Ignoring the issue provides Pat an air of mainstream thought, that his ideas arent b@t$h!t insane. This makes people comfortable agreeing with his point of view. This makes people OK with making choices based on his jacked up view of the world. Leading to abhorrent behavior due to some crazy interpretation of the will of God. Quite a few people have a fine moral compass with different ideas of ultimate truth. But to allow Pat to speak uncontested is to endorse his views as reasonable.
So I say that a being who punishes those whom had no say in a decision is morally corrupt.
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did anyoe notice the little symble in the C of CBN.com kindof looks like the symbole for the onion.... mnd you would take the onion much more seriousely than i would eve take something with christian in its name
that's a much more rational explanation than tectonic plate theory,
tectonic plate theory wasn't mentioned in the bible, therefore it can't be true.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
I'm struggling to find a video clip where he says the pact with the devil actually caused the earthquake. I've watched lots of different clips of him and haven't seen once him saying that the pact caused the quake, I can just see him mentioning the pact.. Did he actually say it?
he didn't say that the earthquake was caused by a pact with the devil explicitly.
he did say that he believes the nation is suffering because they made a pact with the devil.
more importantly, in that interview in which the discussion was haiti he spent most of the time talking with the pact with the devil and no time at all talking about the natural disaster. he clearly thinks this pact is very important, and more relevant to what is happenning in that country right now than the earthquake itself.
that fact alone, in my mind, is proof positive that mr. robertson is a closed minded fool. if he possessed the ability to see beyond his narrow world view he would realize that a time like this is NOT the time to be pointing fingers and making accusations, however indirect they may be.
In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. -T.S. Eliot
Did I hear him say, around 0:15, Napoleon the Third?
There's one lone single historical fact in the whole diatribe and he can't even get that right.
I bet he stinks of piss.
At the bottom of the
The Devil was freeing slaves in the 18th century while God's followers were building a society upon the institution?
So how do you tell the difference between the two?
Robertson's remarks on Thursday were also considered to be inflammatory when he suggested on his television show, The 700 Club that the current situation in Haiti is a direct result of a deal Haitians made with Satan in the late 1700s.
Robertson stated that the Haitian people in that time, "were under the heel of the French, uh, you know Napoleon the 3rd and whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They [the Haitian leaders] said, 'We will serve you [Satan] if you'll get us free from the French.' True story. And so the Devil said, 'Okay, it's a deal.’ And, uh, they kicked the French out, you know, with the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by, by one thing after another, desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti on the other side is the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is, is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etcetera. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we need to pray for them a great turning to God and out of this tragedy I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now we're helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable."
Uh, you know. The french and whatever. And stuff. And then there was like, the devil thing. Satan himself, you know. Dude pass the blunt. So anyway there was like... the chinese... and opium... and they were cool... but this whole Haiti thing was full of like. You know. The french and whatever. And Haiti worshipped them. Or Satan, or whatever.
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This is somthing that belongs on Newsvine. Let the morons discuss there.
If that moron had spent five minutes reading the Wikipedia article on Haitian Voodoo, he would have realized that it is not Satanic worship at all. In fact, according to the article, it "[...] is based upon a merging of the beliefs and practices of West African peoples, with Roman Catholic Christianity, which was brought about as African slaves were brought to Haiti in the 16th century and forced to convert to the religion of their owners, while they largely still followed their traditional African beliefs[...]"
In other words, it's actually a variation on Christianity. Not that Robertson would recognize actual Christianity in the first place, only his own perversion of it.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Well, Pat Robertson would know all about deals with the devil.
I mean it is not like he would forget the deal he himself made with haiti only 200 years ago.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
An echo of the Great Lisbon Earthquake. Once again the question arises if God is good and omnipotent. Pat Robertson is convinced God is (good and omnipotent) and therefore there must be a sin preceding the event.
I think he confused the whole country with Blues Legend Robert Johnson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Johnson_%28musician%29
I think Pat Robertson ought to reread the book of Job sometime (paying special attention to Job's so-called "friends") and I agree with the other person who pointed out that most Christians are trying to get all those Hatian orphans adopted and working with the relief efforts, not worrying about legends and whatnot.
But that aside, he did not invent this story. There is an actual legend concerning this pact that existed long before this disaster.
ummmmm does this moron listen to the shit he says!?!? I'm in the wrong business. I could spew crap to idiots too.... maybe someone will pay me for it. Any takers? For $5 I'll send you God's love in the form of a keychain. $20 or more and I can send it to you in the form of a coffee mug. $100 will get you love from a Vietnamese prostitute, and a free T-shirt.