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Pat Robertson Says Haitians Made a Pact WithThe Devil
chipmunk82 writes "Pat Robertson has blamed Tuesday's 7.3 magnitude earthquake on the Haitians' 'pact with the devil' two centuries ago while seeking liberation from the French."
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Sure, that's a much more rational explanation than tectonic plate theory, which couldn't possibly be correct since the planet is only 6,000 years old! Obviously, sin is the root cause of all "natural disasters" or "acts of God". So, if your church gets struck by lightning, then your parishioners have got some explaining to do!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Pat Robertson hasn't been hit by lightning and/or a meteor. (yet)
Pat has a long history of saying stuff like this. He's kinda like the Fred Phelps prototype (except that he's not near the hatemonger Phelps is; just a senile old troll).
Cite?
and every 100 years or so the voodoo leaders go up on one of the mountains to renew their agreement.
Why would you go up on the mountain to communicate with Satan?
Wouldn't the "reception" be better at the sea level or at the bottom of the ocean?
Unless you are saying that it is actually Satan that is running the show up in heaven, or perhaps that he and God are one and the same?
That WOULD explain a lot though...
From crucifixion of Jesus, through Spanish Inquisition to fire-bombing of abortion clinics.
Including the earthquake, as the devil is a well known kidder.
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Who would know better than Pat? He's been hand in hand with the forked one for years!
I can't believe people still follow this mentally ill old man!
It is easy to flippantly ridicule a comment like this. However if you actually take the time to THINK about it for a little while, it may not be so crazy after all. For the past three hundred years Hati has been in a precarious situation. However, right next door, the Domican Republic , things are much better off. Why? If you are unwilling to accept that it is in fact the work of the DEVIL, there are two options: 1) The blacks in Haiti are naturally inferior, and incapable of governing themselves. 2) The world for the past three hundred years has waged a continuous and systematic crusade against the blacks in Haiti in response to the overthrow of the French rulers 300 years ago. If you believe the 2nd, you must also believe there is an organization to carry out this task. Hence you believe a shadowy illuminate exists controlling the affairs of nations. This is pretty insane if you ask me. It also makes a nation weak by blaming all the difficulties on others and not accepting responsibility yourself. If you believe the 1st option, you are a racist. Noone likes racists. However if you just blame it on the devil, you have assigned a nations ills to ONE cause that the nation can rally behind and fight. By claiming that the Devil made Haitians deforest half their country in order to make charcoal, or that the Devil make the politicians corrupt and self interested, you are facing the problem head on. Religion was created to force people who have no natural proclivity 'to do the right thing', onto the path of the straight and narrow. By blaming the counties ills on sins, you are encouraging the Haitians not to Sin. This is a good thing. We need Christian fundumentalists to come into the country, take it over, and root out the Devil from every rock and cranny that he might be hiding under.
You asked for cites. Here ya go:
September 12, 2005 - Robertson not so subtly implies that hurricane Katrina was God's wrath for legalized abortion.
Sure, if you read his exact words, you could interpret it to mean something other than "Katrina was God's wrath," but given his numerous other warnings about various disasters caused by God, and his far less subtle comments about the 9/11 attacks (see below), and now the Haiti earthquake, it's pretty clear what his not-so-hidden message was when he made his Katrina comments.
September 13, 2001 - Robertson and Falwell say that America's liberal, secular society is to blame for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I
Here's the transcript (scroll down): http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/falwell-robertson-wtc.htm
Of course, Falwell later tried to backpedal and state that he did not believe that God caused the 9/11 attacks, but rather he "lifted the veil of protection," thereby allowing the attacks to occur. Read the transcript. It's clear what he (and Robertson) meant. He said America had made God "angry," clearly implying that this was God's wrath.
June 8th, 1998 - Robertson warns Orlando that their "Gay Days" celebration might cause earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, and even terrorist bombs.
Or, in Robertson's own words "I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. ... [A] condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs, it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor."
A meteor? WTF? Really? He probably just got done watching the trailer for Armageddon (note the release date in the IMDb link and the date of his Orlando rant).
Oh, and just for good measure, here's a couple more. Apparently, he also blamed Ariel Sharon's 2006 stroke and the death of two people in a Sedona, Arizona sweat lodge on God's wrath.
If this does not convince you that Pat Robertson believes this crap, just hop on over to YouTube, and you can find a few dozen videos where you can see and hear him spewing it right out of his own mouth.
Dammit. Apparently I didn't expand the thread out far enough before I hit the Reply button, and misread the parent as asking for cites on Robertson's previous comments, instead of a cite on Haiti's supposed pact with the devil.
Can't help ya on that one, but I think it's safe to say that the whole devil pact thing is probably just a fable, and that even if it's not, it's probably impossible to find any conclusive evidence that such a pact was ever made.
He probably thinks that the Jews sacrificing babies caused the holocaust as well!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
This goes a long way toward restoring my faith in /. Thanks.
This is one of those people who love to stir up a storm for the heck of it. Ignore him and he will no longer matter, admittadly this wont stop him from saying stupid shit just he will be ignored. And then likely go on to host a show on fox news
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Dear ceiling cat, I pray you to protect us from some's stupidity. If you need some help in this mission, I'll also pray the spaghetti monster.... Amen.
Shut up, troll.
...we are talking about a specific kind of worshiping. Namely, that of the devil.
And everyone knows that the devil is in hell, which is down, while god is in heaven, which is up.
Note also that Moses had much better reception from god, and with no interruptions nor interference from the devil while he was up on a mountain.
While Jesus had much better reception of the devil's signal - cause he didn't go up on a mountain but to the desert instead.
Damn bastard kept coming on and on...
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Japan is an island with very limited sources of food.
On the other hand, they have a very deeply installed sense of obligation and "properness".
So, if you are a poor peasant or fisherman that can no longer "pull your own weight" and all you do is just spend food and wait to die - it is a very proper thing to ease your family's troubles by just "going away".
Or be carried away, which was often a more likely case.
Being that if you are too old and too sick to work, you are also too old and too sick to climb up a mountain by yourself.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
So we ignore the ramblings of Joel Osteen, and he is seen as mainstream and acceptable. I'm not a fan, but I really have no issue with him.
Ignoring the issue provides Pat an air of mainstream thought, that his ideas arent b@t$h!t insane. This makes people comfortable agreeing with his point of view. This makes people OK with making choices based on his jacked up view of the world. Leading to abhorrent behavior due to some crazy interpretation of the will of God. Quite a few people have a fine moral compass with different ideas of ultimate truth. But to allow Pat to speak uncontested is to endorse his views as reasonable.
So I say that a being who punishes those whom had no say in a decision is morally corrupt.
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that's a much more rational explanation than tectonic plate theory,
tectonic plate theory wasn't mentioned in the bible, therefore it can't be true.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
YOU ARE WRONG
he didn't say that the earthquake was caused by a pact with the devil explicitly.
he did say that he believes the nation is suffering because they made a pact with the devil.
more importantly, in that interview in which the discussion was haiti he spent most of the time talking with the pact with the devil and no time at all talking about the natural disaster. he clearly thinks this pact is very important, and more relevant to what is happenning in that country right now than the earthquake itself.
that fact alone, in my mind, is proof positive that mr. robertson is a closed minded fool. if he possessed the ability to see beyond his narrow world view he would realize that a time like this is NOT the time to be pointing fingers and making accusations, however indirect they may be.
In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. -T.S. Eliot
Did I hear him say, around 0:15, Napoleon the Third?
There's one lone single historical fact in the whole diatribe and he can't even get that right.
I bet he stinks of piss.
At the bottom of the
The Devil was freeing slaves in the 18th century while God's followers were building a society upon the institution?
So how do you tell the difference between the two?
Robertson's remarks on Thursday were also considered to be inflammatory when he suggested on his television show, The 700 Club that the current situation in Haiti is a direct result of a deal Haitians made with Satan in the late 1700s.
Robertson stated that the Haitian people in that time, "were under the heel of the French, uh, you know Napoleon the 3rd and whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They [the Haitian leaders] said, 'We will serve you [Satan] if you'll get us free from the French.' True story. And so the Devil said, 'Okay, it's a deal.’ And, uh, they kicked the French out, you know, with the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by, by one thing after another, desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti on the other side is the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is, is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etcetera. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we need to pray for them a great turning to God and out of this tragedy I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now we're helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable."
Uh, you know. The french and whatever. And stuff. And then there was like, the devil thing. Satan himself, you know. Dude pass the blunt. So anyway there was like... the chinese... and opium... and they were cool... but this whole Haiti thing was full of like. You know. The french and whatever. And Haiti worshipped them. Or Satan, or whatever.
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This is somthing that belongs on Newsvine. Let the morons discuss there.
If that moron had spent five minutes reading the Wikipedia article on Haitian Voodoo, he would have realized that it is not Satanic worship at all. In fact, according to the article, it "[...] is based upon a merging of the beliefs and practices of West African peoples, with Roman Catholic Christianity, which was brought about as African slaves were brought to Haiti in the 16th century and forced to convert to the religion of their owners, while they largely still followed their traditional African beliefs[...]"
In other words, it's actually a variation on Christianity. Not that Robertson would recognize actual Christianity in the first place, only his own perversion of it.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Well, Pat Robertson would know all about deals with the devil.
I mean it is not like he would forget the deal he himself made with haiti only 200 years ago.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
An echo of the Great Lisbon Earthquake. Once again the question arises if God is good and omnipotent. Pat Robertson is convinced God is (good and omnipotent) and therefore there must be a sin preceding the event.
I think Pat Robertson ought to reread the book of Job sometime (paying special attention to Job's so-called "friends") and I agree with the other person who pointed out that most Christians are trying to get all those Hatian orphans adopted and working with the relief efforts, not worrying about legends and whatnot.
But that aside, he did not invent this story. There is an actual legend concerning this pact that existed long before this disaster.
ummmmm does this moron listen to the shit he says!?!? I'm in the wrong business. I could spew crap to idiots too.... maybe someone will pay me for it. Any takers? For $5 I'll send you God's love in the form of a keychain. $20 or more and I can send it to you in the form of a coffee mug. $100 will get you love from a Vietnamese prostitute, and a free T-shirt.