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Tower Switch-Off Embarrasses Electrosensitives

Sockatume writes "Residents in Craigavon, South Africa complained of '[h]eadaches, nausea, tinnitus, dry burning itchy skins, gastric imbalances and totally disrupted sleep patterns' after an iBurst communications tower was put up in a local park. Symptoms subsided when the residents left the area, often to stay with family and thus evade their suffering. At a public meeting with the afflicted locals, the tower's owners pledged to switch off the mast immediately to assess whether it was responsible for their ailments. One problem: the mast had already been switched off for six weeks. Lawyers representing the locals say their case against iBurst will continue on other grounds."

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  1. "The case will continue...." by DJ+Particle · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fact that the case still isn't dismissed apparently means the lobby of electrosensitives is rather strong there :(

    1. Re:"The case will continue...." by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      It also proves that America doesn't have a monopoly on legal stupidity and that we still export something ;)

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    2. Re:"The case will continue...." by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Olivier added that anyone who thinks that their legal case is based only on health issues is sorely mistaken, adding that their case is not built on health concerns alone, but rather various other aspects related to the mast, including the public participation and environmental approval processes which they are confident are flawed.

      They really really don't want this tower anywhere near them and now that the electrosensitivity excuse didn't work they're trying other approaches.

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    3. Re:"The case will continue...." by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt they'd get anything for frivolity, as hypochondria is real and people may have sincerely believed they were being affected by the tower. Frivolous lawsuit laws are to protect against malicious litigation, and I doubt that's the case here.

      That said, they're still a bunch of nutheads. To not have said "oh... it was OFF for the last month? hummm maybe it's just ME". But no, to persist saying the tower is causing their problems, indicates they have "other unresolved issues" besides hypochondria.

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    4. Re:"The case will continue...." by Camann · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:"The case will continue...." by asaz989 · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA. They're not continuing their lawsuit by still insisting that the tower radiation causes their health problems. Instead they're talking about how it obstructs their view, violates the zoning laws that preserve the picturesque image of their town, and in general lowers their property values. Turns out there are interests with money behind the hypochondriacs.

    6. Re:"The case will continue...." by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

      you can cook an egg with two cellphones

      Step 1: fill 2-qt saucepan with water
      Step 2: add 1 egg, 2 cellphones
      Step 3: cover, turn on heat, and bring to a boil
      Step 4: when water boils, turn off heat and let stand for 10 mins
      Step 5: rinse egg and cellphones with cold water, remove shells, and eat

    7. Re:"The case will continue...." by Xeno+man · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ummm... no.

      iBurst appointed an independent and accredited EIA consultant and that the correct procedures were followed - including notifying the adjacent property owners and publishing notices in the press and on the site itself. He added that he is confident that all processes and procedures were followed to the letter.

      I figure that this is more like what happened. "Damn cell phones. The service sucks out here! I pay good money every month and I can hardly ever get a signal. I've been calling those lazy bastard to do something every week but those corporate fat cats are too busy counting their money. I swear some day I'm gona... what the. What are all those trucks and people doing there? Building a cell tower? I don't want a cell tower in our town. Those things cause cancer and other things. I don't want to look at an ugly tower. Go build that thing in another town. What the hell made you guys thing that we wanted a tower here?"

    8. Re:"The case will continue...." by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Funny

      This idiocy also extends to the mysterious malfunctioning of any electronic device in the radio-phobe's houses!

      True Ham Radio story - my mentor told me when putting up an antenna at home, put up the mast and antenna but deliberately DON'T connect a feedline to it or use it for a week or two.

      Sure enough, two of the neighbors on my block came to complain of TV and telephone interference. I casually handed them a binocular so they could notice there was no wire to the bottom of the antenna, yet.

      They sheepshly apologized and went away... Unlike these idiots who are persisting in their delusion.

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  2. Correlation != Causation by iamacat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There can well be something else that causes symptoms of area residents which is not related to microwave radiation. This may or may not be related to iBurst. For example, construction of the tower could have used toxic materials responsible for rashes, headaches and so on. The fact that symptoms appeared at the same time as the tower still bears investigation, but the world is full of coincidences.

    1. Re:Correlation != Causation by CdBee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The world is also full of hypochondriacs

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    2. Re:Correlation != Causation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There can well be something else that causes symptoms of area residents which is not related to microwave radiation.

      Sure, sure. The symptoms could be "real" (as in caused by a real external factor rather than hypochondria), and caused by something in the environment.

      This is what the end result of the long-time theories that high tension transmission lines were causing cancer. The EM radiation was harmless as always, but the herbicides they used to clear the ground under the towers was not.

      The question in my mind which TFA doesn't answer and could point out whether or not this is the case: When the company announced that they were turning off the tower, did the residents symptoms abate? If so, they're clearly mental in origin. If not, well, maybe they didn't believe the cell company, or maybe there's something in the environment that is actually harming them.

      If their symptoms are real, an actual chemical being their cause makes so much more sense that it just boggles me that this isn't the first thing people choose to blame. But no, their insistence on it being due to EM actually gets in the way of the more straightforward investigation.

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    3. Re:Correlation != Causation by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 5, Funny

      I used to be a hypochondriac AND a kleptomaniac. So I took something for it.

    4. Re:Correlation != Causation by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If their symptoms are real, an actual chemical being their cause makes so much more sense that it just boggles me that this isn't the first thing people choose to blame. But no, their insistence on it being due to EM actually gets in the way of the more straightforward investigation.

      I believe that the simple explanation for this is that the idea of chemicals around the tower didn't occur to them as being the cause; it was so much more obvioys for them to latch on to the idea of microwave "radiation" being the cause. After all, the first thing people generally think about in terms of these towers is the microwave transmission not little things like pesticides used to clear the land near the transmitter.

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    5. Re:Correlation != Causation by navygeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clearly someone disagreed with him.

    6. Re:Correlation != Causation by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      caused by something in the environment.

      They could also be caused by wanting to get money for nothing.

    7. Re:Correlation != Causation by Tisha_AH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People claiming to be suffering from ill effects from power lines, radio towers and signals from the martians has been cause célèbre for several decades now. I frequently run across these groups as a communications consultant working with utilities. Sometimes what I want to say is "if you are so concerned about power lines why don't you disconnect the power to your house?".

      Right now since you are sitting in front a computer to read this, you are exposed to a great deal more RF energy than a microwave dish that is 100 feet up in the air is putting out.

      It is like the hysteria surrounding cadmium in children's toys that is also this weeks latest worry. People will cite cancer clusters and anecdotal evidence yet when confronted with the facts they will jump to some other reason. After going through a long process with community groups and concerned citizens it ended up being an issue about what color the antenna was.

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    8. Re:Correlation != Causation by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? I thought all slashdot comments WERE just a variant on agreement or disagreement.

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  3. Perhaps by ircmaxell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps this proves that "electrosensitivity" is more mental than tangible....

    The issue that remains is if a company can be held responsible for the mental anguish that it indirectly caused. (I mention indirectly, because the act of constructing a tower isn't directly changing peoples mental condition, it's simply "turning on" something that may have been there)... Either way, it should be interesting to see how this pans out...

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    1. Re:Perhaps by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The issue that remains is if a company can be held responsible for the mental anguish that it indirectly caused.

      In this legal climate, I'm sure at some point someone ill try to make them responsible for agitating someone's delusional phobias. Clearly they shouldn't be held responsible for "mental anguish" over "radiation" from a tower that WASN'T EVEN SWITCHED ON.

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    2. Re:Perhaps by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can I sue you for putting a curse on me? I am firmly convinced that you are a witch.

      Even if that is not actually the case, I mentally suffered while thinking so.

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  4. Faraday Cage by quangdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a physics professor who's wife was concerned about the EMF coming off the power lines that ran near the plot of land upon which they were contemplating building (through a common area behind their back yard). His solution? During the construction of his house he installed wire mesh in all his walls, ceiling, doors and floors. While he left his windows as standard windows, he said that he got no cell phone, radio, or TV over the air reception in the house.

    The worst part was that he freely admitted that his wife was a loon.

    1. Re:Faraday Cage by mbkennel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course grounded wire mesh wouldn't do much to reduce the very low frequency magnetic fields coming from power lines. I bet he knew that. I also bet he didn't tell his wife that.

    2. Re:Faraday Cage by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

      He probably also didn't tell his wife that, in many cases, when a cellphone is in an area of very weak or nonexistent coverage its response is to kick its transmitter into full "Scotty, we need more power!" mode in an attempt to remain in contact.

      This isn't good for battery life; but it also doesn't do much to reduce your EM exposure.

      If he doesn't mind the risk of spending a month of nights on the couch, he should tell her to use a bluetooth headset so that she can keep her dangerous cellphone's danger rays away from her brain. Hilarious, until she finds out that you've advised shoving an RF transceiver in your ear canal in order to reduce RF exposure, then things get ugly...

    3. Re:Faraday Cage by Amouth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The worst part was that he freely admitted that his wife was a loon.

      It's not the worst part - to be honest that is just how it is - if it made her happy and comfortable living there then he did what he needed to.

      the worst part is - he isn't alone - the rest of us poor suckers would do it too.

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  5. it's peanut allergy waves by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    see my gorgeous little child was at a restaurant and a heartless cruel waitress walked by with a thai peanut sauce dish and well my child got a good whiff of it. and now as a result every day for the last 3 months his intellectual development and emotional focus has been totally off. the swine flu shots have only made it worse, i swear he is borderline autistic now

    i've gone to the principle of his school and insisted that all children's bags be searched and sniffer dogs bought in for the sake of peanuts destroying our children, but he babbled something about correlation and causation- completely uncaring and unsupportive!

    to make matters worse afterwards i went to mcdonalds and ordered a big mac and felt nauseous a few weeks later. i didn't know what it was until a friend of mine told me there is a bad case of celiac disease going around. environment destroying corporations just don't care that they give people celiac disease and warm the atmosphere with cell phone waves. now i have to be on a gluten free diet for the rest of my life!

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  6. Re:Ha! FAIL! by hamburger+lady · · Score: 5, Funny

    as it turns out, these dudes have egg allergies so being proved wrong is causing more symptoms.

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  7. Why is this in Idle? by boojum.cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this in Idle? It's a real issue, not because the electrosensitives are right, but because they cause real trouble. Good evidence against them is valuable.

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    1. Re:Why is this in Idle? by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a real issue, not because the electrosensitives are right, but because they cause real trouble. Good evidence against them is valuable.

      All the evidence is against them as it is. That hasn't stopped the damage they cause. There needs to be large, punitive punishments against people who use pseudoscience judicially. But this country won't do it for the same reason this country allows people to kill their children over their religious beliefs and kids who have never read a book wear that fact like a badge of pride in many schools.

      I'm sorry to say... but maybe vigilante justice might be a better solution -- they'll worry less about their EM poisoning if they're being chased by heavily-armed scientists.

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  8. Re:Ha. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wtiches. That's al these lunatics are, the modern day equivalent of people who think they're being cursed by witches.

  9. Re:LOL, ROFLMAO, ha-ha, but... by Vohar · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's more likely just a kind of group psychology phenomenon (I'm sure someone with more knowledge of the terms involved will chime in eventually). A group of people convinced themselves that this was happening, and with more and more talking about it and believing it even more people believe they're sick from evil towers as well.

    Hell, there were stories a few months back about men in other parts of Africa killing supposed witches, blaming them for shrinking genitals. These men actually believed they had the shrunk junk and killed for it. Not trying to pick on Africa in particular here, just the first story I recalled.

    Come to think of it, I've heard of this exact same scenario played out somewhere in the US--A community complained of these symptoms only to find that the tower in question wasn't even finished and had never been turned on.

  10. Withdrawal by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly they are suffering not from the effects of radiomagnetic radiation, but from withdrawal! Quick, turn it back on!

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  11. Re:Ha. by sznupi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Accidentally, many places in Africa (so South Africa too, probably, especially with their number of immigrants from across the continent) still experience hunts for supposed witches .

    Or "witchcraft" generally, for that matter.

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  12. This is why Africa can't have nice things. by ZSpade · · Score: 5, Informative

    Either it's placebo from seeing the tower (like a hypochondriac) or they're out for a quick buck. I Vote quick buck.

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  13. Real problem in the US by cdrguru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This limits the construction of any EMF emitting source including things like cell phone towers and power lines. There is enough belief in the idea that EMF causes medical problems that companies are pretty much unable to push construction projects ahead in the face of opposition.

    The result of this is that building a new transmission line in a new area is pretty much off limits unless it winds around to avoid existing structures by miles and miles. If someone can see it, they can use this as an argument to prevent (or at least delay) construction. I have seen this happen in Illinois.

    Anyone thinking that we are going to get all sorts of new "green" superconducting transmission lines for wind and solar power needs to understand the seriously wacked out nature of these protesters. Until these issues are really put to rest, they will prevent progress on many fronts.

    Think the cell phone brain cancer rumors are over? This is the same people, and it keeps coming up every few years.

    1. Re:Real problem in the US by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The result of this is that building a new transmission line in a new area is pretty much off limits unless it winds around to avoid existing structures by miles and miles

      My dad was the engineer who planned the route for a new transmission line to a community which was growing very quickly. When the town locals heard about the route, they demanded that they bury the line (there was no alternate route) and they demanded the electric company pay the extra cost.

      The company wasn't going to pay for burying the line, so it resulted in a game chicken. Turns out people stop pulling out these bullshit theories when they start suffering from blackouts.

  14. ham operators by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When ham radio operators erect a new mast in their backyard, they often leave it unconnected for a month or two. When the inevitable complaints of baby monitors malfunctioning, televisions going crazy, and other non-sense crap from their neighbors blamed on the mast gets reported to the FCC or the police,
    the ham radio operator calmly leads them outside and shows them the disconnected cable that goes nowhere and does nothing.

    Perhaps commercial entities should take note of this, given our remarkable slide into the cesspool of stupidity where we believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, vaccinations causing brains to turn into jello and yellow smoke to pour out, and how we're being poisoned by EM waves, and a particle accelerator's going to cause the world to end.

    Seriously... There should be an idiot tax on court filings.

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  15. oh, put your head in the oven by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    spray a giant amount of oven cleaner in the oven, and, most importantly, because this is what makes it work: put the magnetic bands on your wrists immediately. stick your head in the oven and take a few deep centering breaths while chanting the sacred mantras. i find myself going on deeply spiritual vision quests for a few minutes. i wake up on the floor and i can feel the magnetic bands vibrating in the negative chi energy dimension aligning with the crystals

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  16. Flu vaccine by EsJay · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly the culprit is mercury from flu vaccines

  17. Re:Ha. by CuriHP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Incidentally! Incidentally! Incidentally! Incidentally!

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  18. Re:Well.. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suspect that at least some of them are fully sincere. Hysterical and incorrect; but sincere. It wouldn't totally surprise me, though, if there is also a set of people who just think that the tower is an eyesore, or that some part of the planning process wasn't correctly followed, or otherwise just want the tower scrapped, who are happy to tell the first group "Oh gosh, yes. The terrible headaches, you should sue..." and use them as the useful idiots.

  19. Re:Ha. by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Funny

    No one expects the African Inquisition!

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  20. Re:You mean they can be embarrassed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    People claim to be Democrats all the time... what's the difference?

  21. Just coz they're crazy doesn't mean... by BlackSabbath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look, these residents may be complete fucking loons but...

    According to TFA, iBurst furnished technical reports proving the tower was turned off in early October.

    In other news, British American Tobacco furnished reports showing that cigarettes have no negative health effects.
    In other news, Exxon furnished reports showing that increases in CO2 are likely to transform the world into a tropical paradise.
    In other news, CIA medical officers report that water-boarding releases calming endorphins in detainees.

    I'm just saying...

  22. Re:Ha. by ben0207 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a place where it IS a good idea?

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  23. Re:Hey, the placebo effect is very real! by rev_sanchez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about a better lie? I say that the technical crowd starts telling people that towers that give off electromagnetic signals cause increased libido in laboratory mice. Then your biggest problem is people tresspassing to screw under the towers but you can also sell wireless routers in sexed-up packaging in adult novelty stores for a tidy profit.

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  24. Re:Ha. by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sorry, EN is my 3rd language, and with this you sometimes get such linguistic atrocities...

    No worries - incidents happen.

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  25. Re:Ha. by spineboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought it would be
    Nobody inspects the African Acquisition!

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