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Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2 vs. Early Fedora 13 Benchmarks
Given that early benchmarks of the Lucid Lynx were less than encouraging, Phoronix decided to take the latest alpha out for a spin and has set it side-by-side with an early look at Fedora 13. "Overall, there are both positive and negative performance changes for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 2 in relation to Ubuntu 9.10. Most of the negative regressions are attributed to the EXT4 file-system losing some of its performance charm. With using a pre-alpha snapshot of Fedora 13 and the benchmark results just being provided for reference purposes, we will hold off on looking into greater detail at this next Red Hat Linux update until it matures."
beta vs beta! Is anyone expecting valid results.?
Catering to niche users at the expense of the majority.
Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.
Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.
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I'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
I wish they'd stop focusing on increasing performance by a few milliseconds here and there and work out why my upgrades never work, or flash objects turn grey and i have to restart firefox or why my audio is choppy, and why the nvidia drivers make Xorg fail randomly or why I have to press the power button on my PC to take it off after everthing is unloaded.
Alphas aren't even feature complete... Wait at least for beta...? I mean, the roles could be reversed in the beta, or next alpha.
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or flash objects turn grey and i have to restart firefox
You'll have to ask Adobe about that one. Ubuntu developers cannot trace into software for which they do not have the source code. Or is this happening to you in Gnash?
I remember reading that ext4 loses data. Has this been addressed?
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
What often really matters are the upstream apps. Often, other than reporting an upstream bug in an application to the developer, there is not much one can really do about bugs in upstream applications like KDE. I am seeing that now with KDE and X.org. Currently, there is a bug in evdev and dga in X that prevents X from working right with a Wiimote. It can't really be fixed by the distributor. Only X.org can fix it.
So far I have:
Broken Sound effects on Stratagus. (Mandriva 2010.0)
Broken GLX Support on QuakeForge. (Mandriva 2010.0) But DarkPlaces Quake still works.
Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.
These are just a few examples of applications that don't work becaues of a problem upstream.
By pulling a computer from a dumpster, outfitting it with a $100 hard disk, and installing Linux, I get a giant file server, saving me $200 on an easy backup solution (vs. Apple's Time Capsule). That makes me $200 richer than I would be otherwise, meaning I can use that money elsewhere. With the money I've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages, I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise. Has your "real" Mac ever paid for your vacation?
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
Because right now it is the msot popular flavor of Linux with Fedora not far behind.
Use another OS if it bothers you that much.
In what ways?
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
This 'review' is complete rubbish alpha and beta builds are allays much slower than the production versions. They have all types of debug options turned on. I don' see how you can compare them. If one os has more debug options turned on than the other it would be slower. Surely....
You forgot unnecessary default bloatware (mono) and a propensity to cover up useful text screens with useless graphical screens. But still, I'd take Ubuntu over Fedora anyday, at least there's some kind of real attitude about support compared to Fedora's ambivalence.
my linux runs on a mac, you insensitive clod!
Wake me when Grub2 supports FakeRAID...
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There's no 'compiling of the kernel, no conf files to edit' in Debian or any other mainstream distro either. Hell, even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations, and most editing of config files as well, IIRC (depends on usage of course; not that I'd recommend it to any newbie anyway).
The 'it just works' factor isn't something unique for Ubuntu: almost all the others have it as well (LFS an exception). The only thing Ubuntu gives you is a package that will mostly fit the average desktop user in the default install. Pretty much like Mandriva and others. Kernel compilation is not and has not been necessary for more than ten years for any of the mainstream distros.
What the hell is a bad performance improvement?
buy a mac homos! or are you too poor to afford a real computer?
To put it bluntly, your beloved Mac is an expensive x86 PC with a fancy case design.
I wouldn't be surprised if the very same chinese Mac factories also produce cheapo generic boards.
If your distribution closely follows upstream, and has a good policy on dealing with upstream it can help to report bugs. The keys to this are 1. Patching the distributions instance of a package as little as possible, so it's as much like upstream as possible 2. Having packagers work closely with upstream to ensure that bugs filed against the distribution are filed against the upstream project. 3. If a fix is made in the distribution- to get that patch offered upstream.
Yes, the inductors and transformers for Macs are hand-rolled on the thighs of virgins.
Shut up! Don't you know Ubuntu is the ONLY linux distribution that does not require to write kernel modules in assembly by yourself ?
I'm glad they finally switched to assembly, I've misplaced my paper card puncher and I've been afraid to reboot ever since !
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It's like "Boohoo Ubuntu tries to make a distro for the average user, thereby stripping me of my nerd-cred as Joe Smoe will no longer cower in my presence as I whip up a serving of my CLI-fu...".
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First off, let me say that I use Ubuntu 9.10 on my system at work. I am also running CentOS on servers, various Ubuntu on servers and a couple of Fedora systems. As you can see, I have experience with all of them.
So why is this review useless? Because they are testing development systems, which are not optimized, have loads of debugging flags set, and essentially are not ready for prime time. Of course it may be running slower!
IMHO, you should ignore benchmarks until the release candidates, at least. I generally ignore benchmarks on unreleased systems. I do, however, like to read and learn about new features which may be present in early releases.
Let me air my grievances too: I have recently set up a vps with ubuntu and was just horrified by the package management. There is aptitude, apt-*, and dpkg-*, all of them are verbose and none of them seem to do what I tell to do.
I wanted to remove apache: "aptitude remove apache" didn't do anything useful and "aptitude remove apache2.2-common" wanted to install something else. Finally I just put ArchLinux in a chroot and was done with it.
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That may be an exaggeration, but I kind of agree. I've been using ubuntu since Edgy, steadily upgrading, and am now using Karmic. Starting with Jaunty, and now continuing with Karmic, I've been having multiple serious problems with sound. Karmic is also causing me several problems where they changed something and made sure it worked with Gnome, but it doesn't work properly with other WMs: 1, 2.
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Dell and a few other companies have been bitten by the bug. Depending on who you source your parts from depends on the quality (and longevity) of your computers (and reputation). I have no doubt that the parts going into a $120 Intel brand motherboard cost a few cents more each than a similar AsRock or ECS Elitegroup board that costs half as much. You get what you pay for. Intel stuff generally doesn't break in the same decade you buy it. You're lucky to make it to the end of the warranty period with noname crap from newegg or Frys.
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and it's software(incl. backup system) and different gadets that works together well without you have to waste time maintaining it or figure out how to get it to work.
Well that was a waste of time, wasn't it? Durrrr.
I'm just a naive ubuntu 9.10 user, but if nothing else: it recovers journal and, especially, fscks fast. Haven't noticed any speed difference in standard use, but I haven't really cared to measure.
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What's the point of your 'benchmark' then?
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One that removes important previously relied on and adapted to functions in order to create said performance improvement.
fscks fast.
I wonder if it is fast enough for my wife to give up her Mac and return to Ubuntu?
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That's pretty much the experience I've had. My dad bought a Gateway desktop in 2006 (S-939 Athlon 64) and just outside of the [short] warranty period the motherboard started dying. The on-board video started going, so I got him a cheap video card to circumvent the problem. That worked for almost a year until the south-bridge died too. All in all I think the box lasted about 3 years. In comparison, I built my own system with similar specs in 2005, but with decent brand-name parts, and I've had very very few problems with it.
The problem isn't ext4 - it's an ext4 flag that gives you better data reliability in case of a power failure. If you're willing to risk it (or have a good UPS), you can change the flag and get all that performance back.
I also have to say that for a site that does so much benchmarking, phoronix is incredibly unprofessional. How about error bars on those bar graphs? Are caches cleared before each benchmark? Etc.
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Instead of sshfs+cp, if you want to perform incremental backups without wasting space (duplicating storage), you might try rsync with hardlinks. It appears back-in-time can do this also.
This article is great:
http://www.sanitarium.net/golug/rsync_backups_2010.html
Use another OS if it bothers you that much.
Sorry but this is the attitude to make sure Linux never gets anywhere.
If it breaks before the warranty period expires, you get a new one. If you make it to the end of the warranty period before it breaks, you have to buy a new one. So you may wish to rethink that statement ;).
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.
I must've missed something... when did Nintendo switch over to using standard HID protocols instead of their proprietary wiimote one which has never worked on any OS's standard input driver?
Depends on if your wife is easy or fast.
my clod runs on insensitive you linux running mac!
You still have to mail it back to the manufacturer, wait for them to confirm it's broke, and then mail you a new one from china. Plus crack open the computer, and deal with all the MS "you've installed new hardware" BS. For a $40 piece of equipment. Getting a new warranty replacement piece of equipment from a bargain bin manufacturer might take longer than the warranty is good for (three months). Gigabyte and ASUS are better about their parts, but you have to ask yourself "how much BS am I willing to put up with" and "how long am I willing to not have a functional computer while it's replaced for "free"?" before you pick the noname brand.
moox. for a new generation.
I cant understand all the criticism. I guess that is because PA works for me. Flawlessly too, I admit. Webcam, audio, video and web and if I want, all concurrently.
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It's a hack. Fedora did it right.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty