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ChromeOS Zero Released

charliesome writes "Hexxeh, a student from the United Kingdom, has been the source for ChromeOS builds since the release of the Google operating system. He's just released ChromeOS Zero, a small build designed for speed and aesthetics. He recently did an interview with The Chrome Source."

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  1. May the competition begin. by catmandue · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wake up MS. There another new kid on the block as rich as you.

    1. Re:May the competition begin. by fredrik70 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      according to this link, they still have some way to go..

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    2. Re:May the competition begin. by psnyder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wake up MS. There another new kid on the block as rich as you.

      Google is not nearly as rich as MS.

      Microsoft

      • Revenue US$ 58.437 billion (2009)
      • Operating income US$ 20.363 billion (2009)
      • Net income US$ 14.569 billion (2009)
      • Total assets US$ 77.888 billion (2009)
      • Total equity US$ 39.558 billion (2009)
      • Employees 93,000 in over 100 countries (2009)

      Google

      • Revenue $ 21.796 billion (2008)
      • Operating income $ 6.632 billion (2008)
      • Net income $ 4.227 billion (2008)
      • Total assets $ 31.768 billion (2008)
      • Total equity $ 28.239 billion (2008)
      • Employees 19,665 – September 30, 2009
  2. OK. I need a Karma whore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't get who this guy is. He was the source for ChromeOS builds?!? Google dropped it?! How does this guy handle Google's builds?

    I don't get it.

    ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it?

    1. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So he's basically doing the job of a Linux distributor. He builds the ChromeOS packages from source, then you can download his binaries and install them. This is probably easier and quicker than building them yourself.

      That's all there is to it.. if ChromeOS Zero was Slackware, this guy would be Patrick Volkerding.

    2. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA says it is ChromiumOS. Chromium is the is the open source version of Chrome.

    3. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well shit, that analogy cleared it right up.........no wait......which one is the car?

    4. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      He compiled the code that Google only officially releases as source code to the public at this time, and this his third release, after fixing several problems he discovered. He's one of the few people working on this OS that Google doesn't employ.

    5. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by hedwards · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chrome is on the bumper of the car. Sheesh, haven't you ever seen an older model car?

    6. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by rchh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Chromium OS is the development version of Chrome OS which, when released during 2nd half of 2010, is also going to be completely open source.

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    7. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by H3XX3H · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't get who this guy is. He was the source for ChromeOS builds?!? Google dropped it?! How does this guy handle Google's builds?

      I don't get it.

      ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it?

      These builds take the ChromiumOS source provided by Google, and just improve upon it and deviate slightly from the direction Google is going in. Google is tailoring to a very limited set of devices, but really, there are a lot of people on a very wide range of hardware who would like to use ChromiumOS, and so I'm trying to make it more accessible/usable. I'm also providing updates automatically with the launch of the updater beta, to remove the need for frequent reimages to stay up to date.

    8. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by electrosoccertux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Chromium OS is the development version of Chrome OS which, when released during 2nd half of 2010, is also going to be completely open source.

      That's great and all but I'm afraid I'm going to have to say having entered the real world and been working a real job, I was deluding myself into thinking OSS was the way to go.

      There needs to be a deadline, set features, and programmers getting paid full to time to write code that they don't want to write, for important things to get done in the OS. I hope Google will provide this?
      Example would be that mouse-over-button bug that was in bugzilla for 6 years before somebody got the nerve to go unpack the problem and rework the bits of the code that needed to be reworked so that a window with a button in it that was drawn under where the mouse currently was would actually automatically hilight the button and let you click it. Before this guy got the balls go and fix it, it sat there. And bugged the hell out of me for 3 years while I deluded myself into thinking the OSS development model was superior.
      --Which it is. In a perfect world, where people don't only want to write new, exciting code, and are willing to write legible documentation, as well as code.
      Until then, Linux's Firefox/Fasterfox still runs dog slow on my quad core 3.5Ghz processor, and so does Gnome, because whatever is down there in the Linux kernel is so darn bloated that even Windows Vista is faster...snappier.

      You can mod me troll if you like, I'm just reporting what I've seen. I used to love Linux, and it will always have a special place in my heart, [and I'm not coder] but it's just not fast, no matter what hardware I throw at it.

      Here's to hoping having a massive netbook installbase will motivate the OSS crowd to not just tell us to default to XFCE and Fluxbox when we want a faster GUI.

    9. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by rvw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chrome is on the bumper of the car. Sheesh, haven't you ever seen an older model car?

      Nowadays it's not called "chrome" anymore. We prefer "bling".

    10. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Example would be that mouse-over-button bug that was in bugzilla for 6 years before somebody got the nerve to go unpack the problem and rework the bits of the code that needed to be reworked so that a window with a button in it that was drawn under where the mouse currently was would actually automatically hilight the button and let you click it. Before this guy got the balls go and fix it, it sat there. And bugged the hell out of me for 3 years while I deluded myself into thinking the OSS development model was superior.

      Superior to the commercial model where similarly irritating bugs routinely get ignored for years because overworked teams are busy working on $NextLayerOfCruftyFeatures as demanded by marketing instead of fixing their damn product ?
      In that case you're right, it's not always superior. It mostly depends on the team managing the project (in both worlds, be it OSS or commercial).

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    11. Re:OK. I need a Karma whore. by g253 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see no reason why you can't have your "traditional" development model (deadlines, programmers paid to do stuff they don't like, all those niceties) and still release the code as OSS. How about Ubuntu? Don't they have all of the above?

      The fact that anyone can access and modify the code doesn't mean it must only be provided by volunteers.

  3. ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ChromeOS Zero - is the first OS API with no functions.*

    *Not a low-calorie OS.

    1. Re:ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the first OS API with no functions

      Considering what some other bloated major operating systems have become, that might not be such a bad thing.

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    2. Re:ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Funny

      No functions, but they use value-returning-subroutine syrup in its place.

    3. Re:ChromeOS Zero - what's so special about it? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, well, firefox (actually, phoenix or firebird or somethings) was mozilla with all the crap stripped out of it. Now it's evolved back to square one. ChromeOS is just the same principle on the OS level. Wait 5 years and it'll be bloated like the rest of them

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  4. ChromeOS ? by Funnnny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is ChromiumOS, and the open source he has is Chromium OS too. There's a differrent between Chromium and Chrome, like the browser. Corect me.

  5. Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As it stands, Chrome OS is pretty useless for most people. From what we've seen so far, Chromium OS is so locked-down and artificially limited that it's just not worth using. You're better off just using Chrome on Ubuntu. At least then you're not stuck using just shitty web apps.

    Independent distributions like this are the only way we'll see Chrome OS be made useful, when the distribution creators remove the artificial limitations that Google has introduced.

    1. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by Nethead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, that shitty old Gmail has sure made my life hell. Same with that crappy Google Voice number that I use. And don't get me started on pile of steaming feces Google maps is. I just wish there was a good web search that I could use to find replacements.

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    2. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You remove the artificial limitations that Google has introduced, and you just have Linux. The point is just to have a thin web client, with no excessive overhead. It's something I've often pined for when waiting for a full-fledged Mac or Windows Desktop to log me in in an Internet lab. I anticipate that Chrome devices will be instant-on, and completely blow any sort of standard "unlimited" desktop out of the water for browsing purposes.

    3. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by shaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have used:

      mail
      Emacs
      pine
      mutt
      Netscape
      Evolution
      KMail
      Thunderbird
      Squirrelmail
      IMP
      Zimbra
      Mail.app
      Outlook
      Outlook Express
      Exchange's poor excuse for web mail ...and probably a few more MUAs to read my e-mail through the ages.

      Gmail is the best interface for e-mail, for me, so far. Actually, the only one that comes close is probably mutt with procmail, but it's hard to compare since spam wasn't really a problem back then.

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    4. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GMail is fantastic. And by "GMail", I basically mean how it can be used as an SMTP server and IMAP server by a real mail client. The only people I know who use its shitty web-based interface are people who don't have the brains to set up Thunderbird, Evolution, Apple Mail or even Outlook to access their account.

      Or the millions of us who simply want to access their email in the same way across multiple systems without having to pointlessly rely on another client-based program to set up, read, and send email. It's bad enough dealing with ISPs that ONLY allow you to send through their SMTP gateways, let alone dealing with firewalls that filter IMAP/SMTP connections in both directions and content filters that block web-based email services altogether. All for the sake of running your own email client? Thanks but no thanks.

      It doesn't take "brains" to realize that sometimes simplicity is key, and the web interface is good enough, and in some cases(search speeds) is superior to damn near any client. And a mail client is a mail client is a mail client. None of them are the next coming of email.

    5. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why wouldn't you want hop on any computer, login, and have access to everything you need? If your hard drive crashes, ya lose everything. If you're backups fail, ya lose everything. It is much more likely that your cheap ass newegg hardware fails than an entire cloud with numerous amounts of redundancy to simply lose your data. I think people need to start putting more trust in to the cloud because it is a fucking hell of a lot better than what 90% of computer users have. Which is nothing as far as backups are concerned. Yea it's not perfect for everybody, but I honestly think people need to give it a try. Gamers worried too? Shit, you'd be surprised at all the awesome games that have been ported to Flash. Look at Quake for example. I know it's old, but think about the potential. That is the point of all this. It's not about what it can currently do (which is still a pretty large amount of shit), it's rather what it will become (which will be even more incredible). "Shitty Web Apps" fuel most of the fucking small businesses in this entire country. Did you ever think about that? Look at PSA and CRM software like ConnectWise. Multi-million dollar software companies that use ASP.NET apps. All they need is a toolkit and a web browser. If it can help small businesses (which is does), then it will help everyone else too.

    6. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well okay, but aside from free voicemail and call forwarding, a free tiling map engine with some of the best map data there is, and the best web search engine, what has Google ever done for us?

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    7. Re:Maybe he'll make Chrome OS useful! by thejynxed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wake me up when Adobe can get 64-bit Flash out of Alpha for Linux/BSD and ported to other platforms.

      Then I'll take another nap while waiting for their programmers to fix their program so it doesn't constantly crash Firefox, Chrome, IE, Opera or any other browser I run it in on a 64-bit OS.

      I can't take a nap waiting on this cloud garbage though. It's already painfully obvious that if you leave it anywhere in the cloud, someone who isn't you is already pilfering it from some province in China or a former Soviet-Block state.

      So, yeah, shitty webapps can suck a fat one.

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  6. Re:What is this? by micheas · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are different in that google only releases the source.

    If you have ever installed linux from scratch or some similar OS, you can install chrome. As far as I understand, google has no plans to release chrome OS binaries, They expect anyone installing Chrome OS to be able to compile code from source.

  7. ok... by ysth · · Score: 5, Funny

    r

  8. Re:You mean like... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean like, say, Linux?

    Yes, except there's a chance this might actually be the Year of Chrome OS on the Desktop.

    Not a big chance, but better than zero.

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  9. I hope it gets better... by absurdist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...because as it is now it's slower than Windows 7 on my eee701.

  10. Re:Arrr! by H3XX3H · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At this stage (nconsidering it's a one-man show) you still need to roll your own: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/12/04/how-to-convert-hexxehs-chrome-os-build-image-to-a-virtualbox-v/

    Conversion is broken in Zero, you'll need to download Cherry for that, I'm working on it, but like you said, one man show and I have college too. :/ http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ChromeOS-Cherry.torrent for the cherry build. Thanks for the slashdotting, guys. :D

  11. Re:chromeOS can't set proxy - without internet! by H3XX3H · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was testing an earlier ChromeOS build in VMWare and although it worked OK when at home, on a network with proxy went to click the option to configure proxy, it opens up another tab in the browser - "Page cannot be displayed" - the proxy page couldn't be displayed unless I already had an internet connection working, and without setting the proxy I couldn't get an internet connection.

    You need to do it via terminal right now sorry since there's no UI in place, edit /usr/bin/chromeos-chrome-login and chromeos-chrome-loop to add the --proxy-server flag to the bottom.

  12. Re:Arrr! by H3XX3H · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And enjoy the ad revenues, you deserve them!

    I'm putting money from the ads back into paying for the server/bandwidth, more users means more bandwidth for the updates, and bandwidth isn't free. I do this because I enjoy making/doing something people find useful, not to make a profit. And maybe to see if I can get noticed by some companies, that too. ;)

  13. And the point of this is ... ??? by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If my ADSL connection is down for thirty minutes, I can't do anything with the piece of hardware and software sitting on my desk. Since all the apps are on ... the Internet.

    So ... WHY would anybody use this???

    Anybody remember GMail's outtages ... ???

    Looks like vendor lock-in to me ... all depends on Google. If Google ever goes bye-bye, all your data goes bye-bye too.

    Can anybody explain to me , please ... Why???

    1. Re:And the point of this is ... ??? by dcawrey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google is making moves to allow offline use of its apps.. you can now set Gmail to sync for offline use.

    2. Re:And the point of this is ... ??? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because Google has been working on Google Gears and HTML offline functionality? If that stuff is working, you should be able to run Gmail, Google Docs, and other applications without a connection.

  14. Re:Offtopic by indi0144 · · Score: 4, Funny

    underrated

  15. Re:SlowNewsDay? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reminds me of that Finnish college kid who was too cheap to buy a copy of minix and tried to make his own operating system back in 1991. Whatever happened to him?

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  16. Re:SlowNewsDay? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah... but this kid downloaded something from Google, not creating his own OS from zero.

  17. Friend, I am about to destroy your arguments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where to begin, where to begin... You are so full of shit and misconception that it's difficult to start tearing you and your pathetic arguments apart.

    Using X tunneled over SSH, I already have access to my main desktop system. I can access it from work, I can access it from my smartphone, I can access it from my netbook. I don't use other public computers, because I can't trust their security. Only a fucking moron would dare use a public computer for anything that requires a login.

    The "Cloud" that you worship is full of shit. I've been working with computers and networks since the early 1970s, and we saw all this "Cloud" crap back when mainframes were king. I know you're probably just a teenager, and don't have any experience with large systems and networks, but there was a reason we moved away from mainframes towards PCs. Mainly, it was because centralization of any sort is a very dangerous thing. And yes, your precious "Cloud" is centralized. Even small failures of centralized infrastructure end up being very costly.

    The moment you lose Internet connectivity, and it will happen, you're absolutely fucked. You can't access your files, for instance. If you're using web "apps" then you can't even access the applications! You're beyond fucked at that point. Now your fantastic netbook running Chrome OS is nothing more than an expensive way of displaying a "Cannot connect to server" error message.

    Given the amount of data that various "Cloud" providers are dealing with, it's very doubtful that they have appropriate backup solutions in place. The cost to do it properly would be astronomical, even if you factor in their economies of scale. I trust myself to back up my own data much more than I could ever trust some admins at Amazon or Google or some lesser host.

    So it's 2010, and we can play games from 1996 in our web browser using Flash? That's not an accomplishment, you stupid dumbfuck. But yeah, the potential is really amazing. Just think, in 2025 we'll be able to play games from today! SO MUCH POTENTIAL!

    I do a lot of consulting for large and small clients, and very few use web apps for anything serious. You never see POS systems implemented as web apps, for instance, because they're too unreliable. (Oh, and since I know you've got absolutely no industry experience, "POS" stands for point-of-sale. We're talking about the software you see running on cash registers.)

    If you ever manage to get a job, you should try to see how large companies use web apps. You'll find out that most don't, or if they do, it's for some near-meaningless task. One insurance company I works with does use an ASP.NET app. Do you know what it does? It maintains the roster of their goddamn company baseball league. A small finance company I know of uses a JavaServer Faces-based web app to schedule who is going to get coffee for the office. They wouldn't trust anything serious to a web application. All of their serious applications are desktop applications.

    I'll give you credit for having the balls to try and defend some of the shittiest technology (yes, even worse than Microsoft Windows) to ever come along. I sure hope your post was just an exercise in devil's advocatery. But if you do take yourself seriously, I sincerely hope that you never get into the computing field. You and your stupid ideas will be torn apart in the real world, and unlike the pain I've just delivered to you here, it will hurt you and your pathetic "career" a whole lot more.

    1. Re:Friend, I am about to destroy your arguments. by MortenMW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should get a lawn and tell people to get off it...

  18. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You really need to get laid.

  19. Re:Interesting by shird · · Score: 4, Funny

    Funny

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  20. Re:BRING BACK WANG TERMINALS!!! by LinuxGeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why? Who needs a Chrome Wang?

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  21. Insightful by rvw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Insightful!

    1. Re:Insightful by MrCrassic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Informative.

  22. 0% Sugar Content by oztiks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Chrome Zero, your first sugar free OS.

    1. Re:0% Sugar Content by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrome Zero, your first sugar free OS.

      Good grief! I hope not :-O

  23. Re:Open Sores... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    It's just as useful and has the same meaning now, the only difference is you'll be bombarded with Avatar-related jokes every time you use the metaphor.

    (BTW, the magical tunneling machine in The Core was also made of unobtanium, so Avatar wasn't the first to make use of it - and The Core is a total shit movie that makes excellent comedy fodder for geeks.)

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  24. Re:Open Sores... by daw1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The rubbery parts of Oakley sunglasses are also made from UNOBTAINIUM® (http://www.oakley.com/pd/6213)