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Google Investigating Chinese Employees

BluePeppers writes "The Guardian is reporting that Google China is investigating its staff about The Incident. '"We're not commenting on rumor and speculation. This is an ongoing investigation and we simply cannot comment on the details," a Google spokeswoman said. Security analysts told Reuters the malicious software or malware used in the attack was a modification of a trojan called Hydraq. A trojan is a hidden program allowing unauthorized access to a computer. The analysts said the sophistication in the attack was in knowing whom to attack, not the malware itself.'"

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  1. Google is more powerful than I thought.. by brokenin2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't know they could go back in time and undo the incident. Very impressive!

    1. Re:Google is more powerful than I thought.. by raburton · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was concerned for a moment there about declining standards at the Guardian, but you'll be pleased to know the phrase "in lieu" does not appear anywhere in their article.

    2. Re:Google is more powerful than I thought.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unfortunately only organic matter could be sent or machines covered with organic matter.

    3. Re:Google is more powerful than I thought.. by Destoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Portable weapons of mass destruction wrapped in bacon.. hmmmmmhmhmhmmmgrrglglgl..

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    4. Re:Google is more powerful than I thought.. by Kz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      what about a bacon plasma torch?

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  2. Spies everywhere by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should Google be surprised. The funny thing is that all Google will be able to do is fire that person. And then they will get to take a job with a Baidu (or may already be working for them).

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    1. Re:Spies everywhere by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I rather strongly suspect that there are a lot of new Google "employees" and "corporate security" who just happen to draw a paycheck from the FBI. It's about mapping out the threat.

    2. Re:Spies everywhere by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I suspect alot of Google China employees draw a paycheck from the People's Liberation Army and other Chinese Government agencies.

    3. Re:Spies everywhere by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the real question is how many Chinese Government officials are drawing a Google paycheck. I suspect that Google now has more spies than the Vatican.

    4. Re:Spies everywhere by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IANAL but I think that if Google cannot do much, the USA can do : If it is proven they broke into computer systems in order to aid a foreign country against the interests of the United States, it can be considered as the crime of treason. (I am assuming they are American citizens). If they are citizens of China, they can still be judged on the ground of breaking into a computerized system and on the ground of conspiracy.

      USA has no extradition treaties with China so I think they have no obligations to let China judge them.

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    5. Re:Spies everywhere by m.ducharme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it is proven they broke into computer systems in order to aid a foreign country against the interests of the United States, it can be considered as the crime of treason. (I am assuming they are American citizens).

      It's very unlikely that the culprit is American.

      If they are citizens of China, they can still be judged on the ground of breaking into a computerized system and on the ground of conspiracy.

      Why exactly would they be tried for obeying orders from their government? They might be punished for getting caught, but we won't likely hear about that.

      USA has no extradition treaties with China so I think they have no obligations to let China judge them.

      Except that the investigation is in Google China, which is in...wait for it...China.

      Anything the US gov can do will be diplomatic in nature, and given how closely tied the economies of the US and China are, any diplomatic action the US can take will be largely symbolic. Though there may be plans for a more covert retaliation in the works as we speak, those plans won't likely involve wasting time trying to extradite the hackers/mole/whoever.

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    6. Re:Spies everywhere by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm drawing a good pay check from the Judean People's Front for spying on Google.

    7. Re:Spies everywhere by chiguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google should also check where all their laptops were manufactured. And make sure each BIOS is clean.

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    8. Re:Spies everywhere by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have mod points, but I don't see the "-5 ethnocentric" choice. That's the whole problem with so many posts in so many articles. People fail to realize that the stories are often global in nature. Think outside the box. Think inside the globe. The world doesn't end at America's coastlines.

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    9. Re:Spies everywhere by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Funny

      The world doesn't end at America's coastlines.

      Of course not. That's where US waters are, before they cover up the rest of God's round earth till they hit the other US coastline. Gosh, you clearly didn't do geography at school did you?

      *rolls eyes*

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    10. Re:Spies everywhere by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 3, Funny

      Think outside the box. Think inside the globe.

      It's exactly this kind of Terran-centric Isolationism that has retarded the development of diplomatic relations with our closest neighbor. Reacting with fear to their obviously friendly overtures, doesn't help either.

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    11. Re:Spies everywhere by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Baidu works VERY close with the Chinese gov. In the same way that Pravda works with Russian Party, Fox with the republican party, or Air America Airlines with the CIA. As it is, Chinese gov. has strict penality for spying or causing harm against other Chinese (esp. gov or companies), but reward handsomely those that do the same against foreigners and then share the information. Basically, the gov has an X-Prize approach to spying on the west.

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    12. Re:Spies everywhere by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The FBI pay their CS ppl at the same level that NSA, CIA, DOD, and NASA pay.

      The prestige with NSA is that you DO work with bright ppl and yes, systems that will not be known about for decades. Finally, NSA pushes you to excel. FBI simply pushes you. And DHS is LOADED with absolute IDIOTS. More cronyism in there, and everybody that I knew in there were total idiots in the private world. DHS is one of those nightmares that should be destroyed.

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  3. And to present the results... by gpeters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After the investigation, of course they will invite every Google China employee to join them in the USA for a presentation of the results...!

    Actually, that's the whole investigation. People who have "family obligations" or who are "afraid of airplanes" are the ones to look at!

  4. Re:In lieu of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    His grammar is down the lieu.

  5. it's aftermath! by bigmaddog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Irregardless of the actual story content, I find the poster's use of "in lieu" to be the penultimate atrocity vis-a-vis the English language.

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    1. Re:it's aftermath! by Aladrin · · Score: 2

      Actually, he's not. What that statement says is that instead of having The Incident happen, Google is launching an investigation.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/in+lieu+of

      Obviously, that's not what is going on because we don't have time travel.

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  6. Re:In lieu of? by garg0yle · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think they meant "in light of" (as in, in response to). "In lieu of", as you know, means essentially "instead of", and would not make sense in this context. So, you are correct. I just hope you don't get modded down as "grammar police".

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  7. Re:In lieu of? by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is Slashdot. Every summary must have at least one grammatical error.

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  8. Loose lips sink ships. by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet it was your run of the mill social engineering. Someone on the attacking side befriended someone on the inside and either coaxed the information out, or just waited until they mentioned it in passing. Once they knew who to target, they could then pump this employee to see if the attack was having any effect, from the perspective of an insider.

    It could be a Facebook friend, it could be a normal face-to-face friend, or it might be a "swallow". Governments certainly use this method of social engineering, but I would be quite surprised if companies do not do it as well.

    Mal-2

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    1. Re:Loose lips sink ships. by tomhath · · Score: 2, Informative

      They don't bother with social engineering. China's industrial espionage program is extensive and very well organized.

  9. Re:In lieu of? by Rary · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is Slashdot. Every summary must have at least one grammatical error.

    And "investigating it's staff" wasn't good enough?

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  10. and by snarkh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the ultimate atrocity is the poster's use of "it's"?

  11. the Chinese staffer's name ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is In Lieu, you insensitive clods!

  12. Somewhere in Mountain View... by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Somewhere in Mountain View, servers are now analyzing all activity of Google's employees in China. And their friend. And their friend's friends. And the people they email. And everyone who got in range of a Google security camera. And all the their friends. And the people they email.

    1. Re:Somewhere in Mountain View... by e2d2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ENHANCE!

    2. Re:Somewhere in Mountain View... by NevarMore · · Score: 5, Funny

      ..and showing them text advertisements for criminal defence lawyers.

    3. Re:Somewhere in Mountain View... by Herkum01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh my god, it was KEVIN BACON!

    4. Re:Somewhere in Mountain View... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Somewhere in Mountain View, servers are now analyzing all activity of Google's employees in China. And their friend. And their friend's friends. And the people they email. And everyone who got in range of a Google security camera. And all the their friends. And the people they email."

      And then, suddenly the white vans with cameras and guys in colorful hats pulls up and surrounds someones house!

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  13. Re:The real WTF is... by LSD-OBS · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its the kind of bad grammer we sea alot of on slashdot. Blame there editers.

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  14. In communist china... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    google googles you!

  15. Espionage Big risk of Overseas Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Espionage is a BIG risk in all Overseas Outsourcing. The overseas employees (or foreigners brought in on L-1 or H-1b visas) are ultimately loyal to their home country. If their country orders them to spy, turn over Intellectual Property, etc., don't be surprised! Google is not the big risk. Microsoft, for example, has a big tech center in China. One must wonder what sorts of spying, back doors, trojans, are being planted in Windows!

  16. Re:Poor Choice Of Phrasing by nkcaump · · Score: 2, Funny

    but we we have computers

    Giggle... you said "we we"...

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  17. Re:Poor Choice Of Phrasing by xdroop · · Score: 2, Funny

    Right, I get hit by my own irony stick. I deserved that. "we we" indeed.

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  18. Welcome to the new world by jonpublic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Chinese companies copied part for part GM cars and as far as I know, nothing came of it. You could literally take the door off the Chevy and put a door from the Chinese car company on it. We don't impose any trade sanctions, we just keep buying their stuff.

    I'd find the link but I don't have time.

    Hopefully this google flap will get people to pay attention to how they are catching up.

     

    1. Re:Welcome to the new world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      here is the link... from 2005!

      http://www.autoblog.com/2005/04/16/chinese-copy-cats/

    2. Re:Welcome to the new world by Alcohol+Fueled · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a link showing the top 10 copycat cars produced in China, with pics of the real deal and the rip offs. http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=150107488

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  19. Trojan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A trojan is a hidden program allowing unauthorized access to a computer.

    Yes thanks! This is definitely news to the average /. reader. I never knew that!

    1. Re:Trojan by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The lesson from the Trojan horse should have been "beware of gifts bearing Greeks"!

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  20. Hate to say this... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hate to say this...as it does sound racist, but I know for a fact that most of the chinese employees within a company that deals with
    china, will side to help the chinese side of the deal rather then their own company that is dealing with china, also even went so far as to give out confidential info and deal breaking intel to manufacturers so as to be able to charge top dollar when they could, based on types of situations that came up.

    For me, it might sound racist, but I truly believe that they have been brainwashed to really stand by their country, even when they are of different citizenship, and even live abroad...they will still report back to the motherland to help in anyway they can.

    Is this wrong, the jews have been doing this for eons, so I guess not really, as it would be hypocritical to say this, but
    I do believe that a religion and way of life, is much different then a country's dictator's point of view of what life should be.
    I know i might get spammed with a lot of comments on my view points, but I have to say, we did this to ourselves.

    If we allow muslems to come into our country and force us to change our country's ways to allow them to continue living the way they lived back home, then why did they leave int he first place. If you want to join the RCMP and then tell them that they are not allowed to ask you to remove your turban to put on the proper RCMP uniform, you should understand that this is part of the RCMP religion, to wear the RCMP hat.

    As for chinese, if they come into the country and work for a canadian/amercian country, why would they try to still make china the
    more profitable partner in the deal....they left that country, for what ever reason...seems like they are almost doing this on purpose as if told to do so by the dictator himself...?

  21. Re:In lieu of? by stumblingblock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, you know how well informed those English majors are about engineering topics, right? How could it be any other way with an engineer's usage of the language?

  22. Re:Incident by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apparently something so significant happened that people can just call it "The Incident" and expect others to know about it. Yet I've never heard of anything happening to Google, or originating from Google significant enough and shocking enough to be titled "The Incident". (The worst I've heard is about their camera cars going up the occasional private road).

    Seriously?! You've been posting regularly on /. for this last week yet you somehow managed to miss nine of the most commented on stories?! Well, here they are in chronological order:
    Google Hacked, may pull out of China
    Google.cn has already lifted censorship
    Google.cn attack part of broad spying effort
    China emphasizes law as Google defies censorship
    Google attackers identified as Chinese government
    IE 0-day flaw used in Chinese attack
    Code used to attack Google now public
    German government advises public to stop using IE
    Another attack, on law firm suing China
    This is also all over the mainstream and business news (although, like all other news stories, it's secondary to the Haiti coverage).

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  23. Re:In lieu of? by wall0159 · · Score: 3, Funny

    C'mon, go easy - I wouldn't call failing to capitalize IT a grammatical error!

  24. What does this mean for Chinese seeking work? by vampire_baozi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Google finds anything, this could have serious reprecussions for foreign companies hiring in China and Chinese students seeking green cards/employment in the US, especially in high-tech areas. Does anyone else think that mandatory background checks might be put in place to screen candidates, beyond simply assessing technical skills?

    If so, it's a good time to be Indian or Taiwanese/Korean, if you're competing with Chinese candidates.

    Though I do hope if this doesn't result in hiring discrimination against Chinese candidates; most of them are bright cookies, and there may come a day when US tech companies need them more than they need us.