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Gun With Wireless Arming Signal Goes On Sale Soon
An anonymous reader writes "Armatix has built a pistol that will disarm itself when it is taken away from a watch that sends it a wireless arming signal. The .22 caliber guns will go on sale in the US within months, and the initial price is 7,000 euro. Higher caliber models will follow. To activate the gun, users must enter a pin code on the wristwatch, and then keep it within roughly 20cm of the gun. If the person is disarmed, the gun can't be used against them. Also coming soon this year, civilians will also be able to buy three-shot Tasers, rubber bullets, as well as Heckler and Koch black rifles." This might not be good news for the citizens of New Jersey.
I gotta enter the pin so that I can use my gun to defend myself.
so how long until someone builds a jammer for this??
You want a perfectly "safe" weapon?
Just don't buy one.
There! Can I have 7000?
it could easily be more than 20cm from the watch.
. . . remember to take his watch, as well as the weapon.
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Unless the attacker holds it next to the victim's wrist, or knocks the victim out with the gun.
I was getting really sick of the Heckler and Koch purple rifles. That's progress!
So what if happens if someone uses a signal jammer? Bye bye armed gun?
What's the big deal?
Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
Great.
If I go target shooting I have to play "Pass the Wristwatch" to enjoy it as a communal activity and pay 10x as much for the privileged. If want to use it for self defense I have to wear the watch at all times and go through an extra layer of complications. Better yet in that situation if the gun is taken from me as we wrestle on the ground it's entirely likely that the gun will never move far enough to deactivate before I'm shot repeatedly in the chest and the watch and gun are taken.
Sounds like a lot of money to acquire a possibility of safety as well as making previously safe activities more complicated.
you still don't need a code to beat the disarmed person to death with the gun.
But you can't use it against me now! Ha!
Wouldn't a fingerprint scanner on the grip be more reliable and safer in case you were disarmed?
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Just what I needed, a gun that will stop working when the batteries run out (I suppose that will be the behavior). Anyway, I suppose that can be useful for prison guards and similar. Till the inmates learn to take the watch with the gun, of course.
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7000 euro seems a little steep for a handgun. Especially a .22lr. You can buy a S&W 22A or Beretta U22 Neos for under $300, even at today's elevated prices.
At the end of the day how is this a bad thing for the people of New Jersey? Any person except the owner of said gun is unable to use it (yeah, unless you steal his watch as well) - children and home intruders included. Worst case scenario: there are less handguns in New Jersey because of the price of these new weapons. Sorry, I really don't see the downside here.
Sigger than your average
At 20cm the average person WILL move their hand/watch past the authentication range. Will they need re-authentication.
The gun will fire if the attacker has twisted the gun to face the victim because the watch is within range.
The victim will need to fire with their off-hand because they used their good arm to defend against the initial attack. (This happened recently here.) The gun will not fire because it isn't close enough to the watch.
This setup is a recipe for disaster. In the name of safety, we will give up everything that gives us a chance against the bad guys.
I hope all the kids in schools get at least one of these, that way they can shoot bullies in schools. It would be preferrable if they get two so they can be Bruce Willis cool and shoot em on the side two at a time.
Here is another interesting tech that would be very useful in some contexts, and scary in others.
Burris has built one of the most sophisticated rifle scopes we’ve ever seen. It has a laser rangefinder that can automatically adjust your sights to compensate for the fall of each bullet over long distances. Just point the crosshairs at the target, push a button on the side of the scope, and a bright red dot will show you exactly where the bullet will fall. We were able to easily hit targets at 400 and 700 meters without any experience at long-range rifle shooting.
Critical weakness: pure black target.
Rubber bullets kill, too. In fact, cops shouldn't even be allowed to have them because the perception that they are "non-leathal" just encourages their use -- just like the beanbag rounds. There have been cases where the beanbags come out flat with the edges parallel to the ground, sort of like a frisbee and that the impact at that angle caused severe lacerations. People have died from those, too.
I'm not anti-gun -- I have many myself. I grew up around them, and I am completely comfortable with them. I also know that if I point a loaded gun with real bullets at a person, I better be absolutely willing to kill them when I pull the trigger. Cops and soldiers are trained to know this, too. But they seem to be more than willing to pop off rubber bullets and beanbags for "crowd control," and death has been a consequence a higher-than-zero number of times.
The last thing we need is Joe Bob getting ahold of them and shooting at cats, neighbours, or even robbers. You know all those times that burglars have sued property owners over getting hurt while they're there to rob them? Imagine the lawsuits over "he shot me with a rubber bullet, broke my rib, punctured my lung and now just look at me!" I also envision a slew of YouTube videos of drunk-ass morons popping their friends with these to see what it feels like.
In short, this is pretty much the worst idea ever made.
In a personal defense situation, this is security by obscurity. It will only help as long as the mugger doesn't know what the little red / green light means.
Why not use a challenge response system that communicates with low voltage current that passes over the skin. Then you can disable the weapon the moment direct physical contact is lost. Of course you'd need to ensure the current was low enough that it didn't cause your trigger finger to spasm...
09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
Well, if your gun won't fire, I'll just have to beat you to death with it!
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
There's already enough to horrify you on Youtube and Myspace with kids who like to play with Daddies Guns to put up badass pictures for their friends to see, and yet people still blame firearms when negligence happens. Every firearm I've ever purchased lays it out plane as day:
1) Know your target and what's behind it.
2) Assume every gun is loaded.
3) Do not aim at or pull the trigger on anything you don't want to kill or destroy.
Looking at their page, it looks like the gun is armed by a fingerprint sensor on the watch, and disarmed when the gun moves away from the hand or after a timeout period. This makes the gun poor in most police and self defense scenarios; you now have to draw the weapon, and put your finger on the watch. Holster the gun for any reason and the gun disarms.
How about pricing it in Dollars and giving the measurements in Inches. That way us US customers (who is, after all, the apparent market) can actually buy and understand it.
BTW... I'll be damned if I'm going to use a gun that also makes me put on a watch. Imaging having to deal with that in the middle of the night when someone tries to break into your house. Let's see, can I use the watch on my left hand and have the gun in my right? 20cm... let's see... that 2.54 cm per inch, so 20 div... BAM... No, I've been shot!
No thanks... I'll stick with my Kimber 1911. No measurements required and sold for US $. And I'm pretty sure any would be attacker would notice getting hit with it.
Bill
It's my Sig and you can't have it. Mine! All Mine!
Look on the bright side... Eventually the number of Youtube videos containing drunk-ass morons will decrease :)
More critical weaknesses - no accounting for muzzle velocity. At 500 yards, a bullet traveling at 4000 fps will not hit the same spot as one traveling at 3000 fps as it's not had time to fall as far. And of course, with any scope there are still the issues of wind and drift incurred by the barrel warming up over repeated shots.
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The .22 caliber guns will go on sale in the US within months, and the initial price is 7,000 euro.
A $12,000 .22 is a completely safe weapon because no one in their right mind would buy one. It's useless for defense unless you're being attacked by balloons, it'll pop those.
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All these handicapped munitions come with a guarantee that you will have a higher chance of being killed in a confrontation. .22, if it is match grade. Nobody smart keeps one for self defense anyway and the safety feature will help ensure that the stupid have another layer of security against kids screwing with it that is largely taken care of with standard safety practices anyway.
Gun owners know this.
The only sensible one is possibly the
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What is it with you americans that you're so fascinated with this stuff? For a member of a normal civilian society in peace, these things are just bad and repulsive.
I also envision a slew of YouTube videos of drunk-ass morons popping their friends with these to see what it feels like.
This is also how I've felt about concealed carry laws... that drunk morons will hurt/kill themselves or people around them. But when it comes right down to it, drunk morons seem perfectly capable of hurting themselves or others even without guns (of any kind).
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
Then you're doing it wrong. You should always fire double-handed.
How inappropriate to call this planet Earth, when clearly it is Ocean.
Civilians can already buy "rubber bullets". If you actually read the article and look at the pictures, you'll see that the projectiles in question are not the things usually referred to as rubber bullets.
The difference is that the rounds in the article feature projectiles that are designed to be so soft that they are unlikely to kill. They are almost completely unlike rubber bullets.
Normal rubber bullets are exactly that - bullets made of rubber. These are different because they are not bullet-shaped, and the rubber compound is softer. It's more akin to the difference between being hit by a rubber ball or a wadded up ball of paper.
The plus side, for someone using the koosh-style shotgun rounds is that they're designed to be less-than-lethal, so even if you do kill someone with them, you can point to the fact that you didn't intend to kill them (otherwise you'd have been using lethal rounds) when it comes time for the wrongful death suit from the burglar's family.
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http://www.smartlock.com/test-r.htm Terrible Karma my ass !
"Gun manufacturer Smith & Wesson was awarded a $1.7 million federal grant last year to work on developing the technology and has spent $5 million on development since 1993."
First Colt leaves the civ market, and now S&W is pulling this kinda crap?
So much for the americans, at least we still have Glock, SIG, and FN.
I might not have problems with it if police were also limited in the same way.
Once cops start dying due to this crap...
Oh hell, I was gonna say that the sheep might be persuaded to change their minds, but they'd probably be rallied into even greater attacks on the 2nd amendment.
I wonder how loud people in these states would scream if they had to get a "speedy trial permit" to have their case (of any type: traffic, criminal, civil) heard within a year, or a "free speech permit" to complain about their elected officials.
This kinda stuff brings up the same questions I have with California and cars...
Instead of capitulating to their demands, manufacturers should say "You want us to follow these crazy fantastical guidelines to sell IN your state? Fine, we just won't sell TO your state... No, not even to govt. agencies. No new parts, no spare parts, nothing."
As far as "less-lethal" rounds being available to the public...
OK,,, as long as AP rounds are also as freely available to the public.
Like someone else has said, "less-lethal" rounds will just lead to dumb-asses shooting each other for fun, they needing care for a burst kidney or spleen.
The best way to keep the people safe, is for the people to be armed, and trained in the use of weapons (not just firearms).
Should just ban guns like done in the UK, worked well enough here.
This, unfortunately, assumes that the Darwin Award winning rate exceeds the rate at which drunk-ass morons can reproduce.
Im sure ballistics is part of the settings. If its smart enough to calculate range, it probably knows altitude based on atmo pressure. Theres probably some setting for cartrige 5.56x45, 7.62x51, .308, .223. That would just leave grain variants, wind, and rifling twists. Still though, thats a lot fewer calculations to deal with than before. My problem is at 500yds even 12" is hard to see, need more practice :)
"This colossal revolver" Looks about S&W K-frame size to me.
Wired goes to SHOT show. They should play to their strengths. Don't they have a hoplophile on staff?
Magnum Research's BFR (official parsing is "Biggest Finest Revolver") might qualify.
And no, an electronically disable-able gun is not a good idea.
For this price tag it better be Rolex.
And a similar system has been available since the 70's: The The Magna-Trigger Conversion is a ring that activates a firearm.
Costs about $350 + $60 for each ring.
Rubber bullets sometimes kill, too.
There .. fixed that for you....
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...Nothing! This firearm is a dead father waiting to happen. If you can't properly secure your firearm WITHOUT something like this, you shouldn't be handling a firearm.
Real men walk up to the cop/soldier, flip his gun upwards under his chin, and push his own finger against the trigger, and blow their head off in the blink of an eye! Just like Riddick in Return to Butcher Bay / that Dark Athena extension. ;) (Really fun game btw! Best movie adaptation ever!)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. Keep your weapon on safe until you are ready to fire. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire. And Know your target and what's behind it. (People see too many movies and forget that bullets go beyond what you are aiming at all the time, whether it be ricochets, or going through drywall like its paper) *More lessons upon request =)
"It's ok, I'm completely secure as long as my iron is off"
Defensive firearms must be utterly reliable. This firearm, by definition, is not utterly reliable. I can see them being sued because their product didn't function at the one time it was desperately needed. I predict that it will sell a few copies, and then fizzle. However, that won't stop the anti-gun lobby and idiot Democrats from attempting to pass laws requiring that all firearms have this bug (I mean "feature).
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Am I the only one who is reminded of "Judge Dredd", with the Judges carrying smart guns that kill anyone else who pick them up? Is that the next evolution in gun control? I don't remember the exact wording, but I remember the scene in Dredd where Rico is being told "Don't pick that up, it's a Judge's gun!" and Rico grabs it and shoots the guy, saying, "Well, then, I must be a Judge."
In the comic book the gun would explode if it did not detect the correct palm print (of the owner) when fired. While in the Stallone movie, the gun would deliver a powerful electric shock. I think the gun would also encode each bullet with the DNA of the shooter for bullet identification...
This is a monumentally stupid idea and an even more stupid law. No gun control legislation is ever about keeping people safe. There are some 20,000 gun control laws on the books and none of them prevented Ft. Hood, or Columbine, or post-Katrina New Orleans. Gun control law are always (ALWAYS) about giving some politician the ability to say "I did something. Re-elect me." Gun control is always about shifting power from those who have it to those who crave it.
I'm a left wing political activist and for stricter gun control. I can't of course speak for everyone who would like to see more restrictions on handguns but I believe that my opinions reflect most of us.
We don't blame firearms. Really, firearms are simply small mechanical constructs and can't be held responsible for anything, we most certainly acknowledge this. When a negligience happens, we blame the negligient people.
So, if it only were possible to uphold a law that restricts firearms from negligient people (and all kinds of odd nutjobs) but would allow responsible people to have them, we would be all rooting for that kind of laws. But such laws aren't possible so the options are to force restrictions on nobody (=no restrictions on negligient people) or everybody.
It is the same thing with every other aspect of society. For example: drinking and driving. Some people might be able to use alcohol and drive somewhat responsibly, choosing slower speeds, less trafficked roads, etc... But many people won't. So, we make laws restricting drunken driving. Yes, that does force the restrictions on responsible people too and that's a shame. It simply isn't practically possible to differentiate between them and negligient people.
No, the Burris scope uses the laser diode to find range, and then lets you set a "drop number" that applies a specific offset to the calculated distance. They have drop numbers for several hundred different commercial cartridges, but those cartridges will perform differently in different guns (due to barrel length, etc.), and there's lots of guys that load their own that will have to determine things by trial and error.
For the same price I think I'd rather have a nice Leupold scope with better optics.
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Now when you're armed you need to wear a watch on your arm to arm your arm.
........ Every firearm I've ever purchased lays it out plane as day:
1) Know your target and what's behind it.
2) Assume every gun is loaded.
3) Do not aim at or pull the trigger on anything you don't want to kill or destroy.
I'm glad your kids can read
If I had kids I could understand the value of this.
1) Kids do not understand death - The targets mummy after you shoother she will get up and walk again won't she?
2) Kids see guns as toys - what are bullets? -
How do you load a gun?
3) Ask a child what is death?
You forgot rule four.
4) EVERY FUCKING GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED.
And yes, I saw rule 2.
There is already an existing, better idea. I don't remember exactly where I saw it, but I think it was in a "Get Smart" episode or movie.
The forward-backward pistol looks like an ordinary pistol but it can fire either towards the front or towards the rear, depending upon which way the user pushes the trigger.
The trick is that it's counter-intuitive.
To fire forwards, you have to get your finger behind the trigger and push it forward. If you pull the trigger backward toward yourself, you shoot yourself.
Although it was hilarious seeing this pistol's peculiarity in a comedy sitcom, I admit that it may not be so hilarious from the viewpoint of a user under stress.
Guns are the great equalizers: swords and arrows require a heckuva lot more practice to become proficient than guns. It's no wonder governments are afraid of mere citizens having them. What is surprising is the number of ordinary people who have nothing to fear from guns but a lot to fear from governments who have somehow managed to swallow the government anti-gun propaganda. Think for yourself.
People using guns save far more lives and prevent far more crimes than do criminals using guns. Studies show anywhere from 1.5 million (by the gun hating CDC) to 2.5 million (by a gun loving professor) crimes prevented by the use of guns, usually no more than the criminal seeing it or hearing it, seldom by actually using it. Most gun crimes in the US are by criminals on criminals. Cars kill far more people.
Considering there are more guns in the US than cars, 300 million of them, one per citizen, they are used incredibly safely. Those who think guns are bad no doubt must think worse of cars.
And the most fun gun statistic in the US: if you have one neighbor with guns and one neighbor with a swimming pool, your kids are seven times as likely to die in the pool neighbor's pool than from the gun neighbor's guns.
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I can see those being adopted most heavily in police or military situations, where some PHB is more likely to determine what kind of gun you get. I can see some upper management type in some police department somewhere thinking this is a good idea. None of the police officers I've known personally would go for it though.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Are the rumors about it true?
Surely, at this cheap price, only thugs on the street will be buying it. Oh wait, that's over 10 times what a nice .22 pistol costs...
And the 20 inches: how is that going to prevent it from being used against you? If you're struggling with someone over a gun, you're in close proximity. They grab it, pull the trigger: voila, you've got a bullet in yourself - you were well within 20cm from the gun, because you were trying to grab it.
This, unlike computers, might have a total of 10 interested buyers in the US. Why would I want this hideous, crippled gun (which likely has very little attention put into the actual firearm mechanism compared to even something like an entry-level Ruger) when I can get a uh, Ruger .22 in the $300 ballpark?
And for self defense, how about something a little bigger than .22? .22 is for gangster thugs, target practice, and shooting rodents. Anyone who would buy a sci-fi gun like that, with such poor ability, and a glowing light on it for the purpose of self-defense deserves to be killed.
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O'Dwyer had prototypes for handguns that were armed and disarmed by a wedding-band-like ring, which probably contained an RFID tag, a decade ago.
These are the guys that created Metal Storm, which is probably one of the coolest gun videos on YouTube :)
Every firearm I've ever purchased lays it out plane as day:
1) Know your target and what's behind it.
2) Assume every gun is loaded.
3) Do not aim at or pull the trigger on anything you don't want to kill or destroy.
Now all you have to do is find some way of ensuring that everyone in possession of a firearm actually does those things.
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Great, a gun that won't work when you really need it.. Not to mention that .22 is mostly used for target shooting and not defense.
The Armatix SmartGun concept consits of a weapon that requires locking, a biometric radio wrist watch and a system programming device. Each authorized person wears a radio wrist watch giving them access to the programmed weapon. To activate the wrist watch, the authorized person's fingerprint must first be read by the wrist watch. An internal database compares the current fingerprint against stored prints and responds accordingly. The wrist watch is then activated for a definable period - e.g. an officer's work shift or until manually deactivated.
They do not appear to be marketing these to civilians. They look like they are trying to provide a solution to the risk that a police officer might have his weapon taken in crowd control situations. Perhaps the risk of having the police officer disarmed is greater then the risk of tech failure. The company makes gun locks. This is just another lock.
Is a holster snap adequate security for a loaded weapon when mingling in a crowd? Perhaps this tech provides an alternative to not carry a gun because of this risk.
I add to this my own rule: - Don't ever be around idiots with guns. I am very careful who I shoot with.
My SIG is a P226
If your kids are fucking idiots who don't understand what DEAD means, who don't understand that there are things that are not meant to be played with, well sir you are a terrible parent and shouldn't have had a child in the first place. The only reason a kid could possibly think that dead doesn't mean FUCKING DEAD is if you completely abdicated the education of your child to electronic media. Don't blame an inanimate object for your lackadaisical parenting. Further, a lack of understanding as to how death works and how guns are treated would probably be the least of your problems with that child. If they've picked those up from TV and video games and you have done nothing to instill in them the difference between entertainment and reality they'll wind up with many other issues related to shit they learned from fiction that they think is real.
... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about.
Sounds great. I'd love to buy one. Now where in the U.S. am I going to find Euros? It's not like I normally get change for my bagel in monopoly money.
Bad news for the citizens of New Jersey...
In NJ, you can't even get a carry permit unless you are either a retired cop, an armed security guard for someone important, or connected. It just doesn't happen for ordinary citizens. At this point, they're just beating a dead horse.
When I saw "smart gun legislation", I thought "wow, maybe they'll actually let people legally carry a gun so that they can defend themselves against people who are illegally carrying". I should have known better. This is what happens when people who don't understand the problem come up with a solution, and is basically the M.O. of everything in New Jersey.
I cannot imagine a use for this gun, except to require its use as a way of effectively taking away any right to a useful weapon. Step one, make the gun available. Step two, outlaw all other guns.
Simpler.
Gun conrol is not about guns, but about control.
If I swing my watch arm away during the course of a day, I've just disabled my weapon. Now, if I need to use it (in a hurry for self defense) I've got to re-enter the PIN? Here's a suggestion for a modification: embed a second ID chip in the holster. That will keep the weapon enabled while its holstered until I reach for it.
Have gnu, will travel.
If I had kids I could understand the value of this.
So, you don't have kids, and you think yourself qualified to speak about kids. I'm guessing you don't own firearms either, yet you feel qualified to speak about them as well. Are there any other topics you would like to talk out of your ass about?
The targets mummy after you shoother she will get up and walk again won't she?
I find your lack of coherence amusing.
I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
has a ray gun that disrupts that signal
when the hacker then has one that can rearm it
yup age of blade runner here we come
Has anyone else noticed the similarity in effect between this and DRM on, say, ebooks? "You can use this, but only if you have the right key. And someone else can turn it off if they're clever. And there's versions out there that work far better without demanding this rigamarole." Gun control seems to share a lot of qualities with DRM, now that I think about it. Trigger locks to stop you or anyone else from using the gun without entering a key, Gun cabinets to stop you or anyone else from accessing a gun without a key, storing your gun and your ammo in separate containers so that you can't use it at your convenience, needing permission to acquire a gun, having licenses to use your guns in certain ways but not others, having a list of your guns kept with a central authority and it being illegal to own a gun off the list, needing permission to transport your gun from one area of use to another, not being allowed to carry the gun around so you can use it when there's an immediate need... It's all about making it harder to use, to make someone else feel safer.
DRM is gun control for software. Gun control is DRM for hardware.
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One thing that a firearm absolutely must do is to go bang each time you pull the trigger. This firearm isn't going to do that. Either the bad guys will figure out how to jam the signal from the watch, or the user will forget the watch, or the battery will go down in the watch, or (substitute your own horror story here...)
People that rely on this gun are going to get killed when it fails to perform it's prmary function.
This gun and all its flaws and different situations are good for a movie/tv show plot, and little else.
No doubt there will be a "disable" signal that can be sent by "authorized police" as well in these guns. Yet another movie plotline with, you know, bad crackers getting access to such a code and disabling all police guns, or whatever.
I'm right handed. I shoot a pistol with my right hand. My watch is on my left wrist. While it is advisable to use both hands when firing a gun (for stability, as well as accuracy issues), it is certainly not required. If I understand this correctly, the gun is disarmed whenever it gets more than 20 cm away from the watch. Which means, as soon as I drop my arm to open a door, the gun will be disarmed. I'm assuming it doesn't get rearmed as soon as it gets back within range of the watch, as this would defeat the whole purpose of the automatic disarming feature. If the perp gets a gun away from me and turns it on me, and we get into a struggle, it will likely get back within the 20cm range, and then be usable again. And I certainly hope he doesn't try to steal my watch... because an armed assailant would NEVER try to do that....
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I am proud to see how many people oppose this junk. My friend as a 3 year old who has been taught that guns where not told just about the time he started to walk. Even at his age he wont touch a gun even if it is laying on an open table. They key is to not just tell them not to touch it but to show them why not to.
Also don't leave your gun(s) laying out around small children unatended, that is asking for it. Also alot of the time it's other peoples children that are not taught about gun that get them and shot themselves or there friend. So I would advise knowing your childrens friends and there parents and if they are going to be at your home unatented at anytime make sure they have knowledge of guns.
Ultimatly education is the key, your kid running around the house while brushing his teeth is just about as dangerous as him playing with a gun. You shouldn't allow either one.
I've never met any gun owner that didn't suffer from some mental illness or other. Personally I know two. One never keeps his shootgun more than short distance from himself at all times. It is either in his car when he travels, his locker at work, or at home. He is beyond unstable and keeps his wife at such a short leash that most that borders and abuse. Aside from acute case of paranoia that his wife is cheating on him, he can't stop yapping about how Obama is the next anti-christ. Interestingly enough, in our particular county it is illegal to own firearms, even for hunting purposes. (Very urban area, one or the largest cities in the world.)
The other fellow is a former marine, former LEO, and very current hutjob. He hates Jews, Muslims, Communists, Obama, and Icelanders for some reason. Also, he can't stop talking about all the folks he shot back Gulf War I and all the beatings he administered while he was a LEO. His gun collection rivals that of small Army bases. Aside from all that, he is a heavy drinker and suffers from variety of mental afflictions, too many to list here.
I have a felling the other 30-40+ million gun owners in North Amerca are pretty much the same.
This "magical thinking" you gun owners engage it is always amusing. Guess what: a gun, properly checked and unloaded, bodily in your possession, will not magically re-load itself. The moment the gun leaves your bodily possession, all bets are off. But these sorts of unthinking assertions can actually CAUSE accidents. You get used to the idea that if you just follow a list of prescribed rules, you'll be safe. You think you don't need to use your brain anymore.
At a gun-cleaning session one time, one friend handed his pistol to another friend. The second friend dutifully checked it, declared it to be unloaded, then began disassembling it. I asked him why he bothered to check the weapon -- after all, ALL guns are ALWAYS loaded. After the initial moment of confusion as he realized the paradox implicit in two fundamental gun safety rules: it's always loaded, and always check if it's loaded, his response was, I quote, "Except when they're not, and I'm trying to clean one." This sort of thought process is completely irrational and doesn't contribute to safety. I prefer to use my brain to keep me and those around me safe.
Is a bolt-action loaded if the bolt is removed? What about a completely disassembled gun sitting on a table, is it loaded? At what point do you cease this nonsense and admit that safety comes from intelligence, not rule-following?
Your math skills are way off, 7000 Euros is 9700 Dollars... Try Google next time: "7000 EUR in USD".
Looks to me like you used British pounds, not Euros.
Oh, and I think parents who value their children might think it's worth the money. Well, rich parents anyway. Their children won't be using the gun at least.
Some Americans actually LIKE to be considered paranoid gun-nuts.
They probably think that you and I are from the UN. Here to take their guns.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Well said. I also like "I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy."
they can take your watch too.
They can be beaten and maimed or killed with the brick pistol. Stabbed with a poorly sharpened thrift store knife. Doused with lighter fluid and burned. Flayed. Blinded, raped etc and etc and etc. Having that gizmo on it accomplishes nothing but 'security theater'.
You can mitigate most assaults. I've done so with pretty good voice acting skills that convinced the suspected bad guy I was not an easy target. In only a few cases have I had to do anything more. I know where everyone was around me when I am not in a protected place. I never let them get too close. I was not doing my nails, bullshitting on the phone, texting, whining on the phone to my GF/BF that my pussy/cock hurt or other Darwin award winning activities.
Why this is considered technically newsworthy is beyond me it's more of a troll. For 14,000 dollars I can buy more guns than my home town rural police department.
FWIW you can buy a rather awesome Russian target pistol for under 400 or a Beretta Neos for under 300, they quit making the 7.5 inch barrelled one. http://www.gunblast.com/Paco_Beretta-NEOS.htm
If you want to be good enough to carry a pistol and not be beaten to death with it train more than the cops. Read Massad Ayoob and Col. Jeff Coopers books and articles to know some of what a rational adult needs to know to carry a pistol. This is not something where a technical solution is viable unless it's something that has been beaten on for a century. Hell name me something electronic that lasts a year. I can still fire a WWII 1911A1 that has only been maintained and have it just work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massad_Ayoob
One feeble benefit of this gadget might be to keep your kid or others kids from using it. IMAO if your kid is old enough to pick it up you should have already been training them on how to use it. It is a significant right of adulthood in the United States and not teaching them is an abrogation of your duty to the. Knowing some precocious 7 year olds that gizmo would stop them for under an hour.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
Why should I buy their crappy black rifle now? There are SO many. Hell S&W, the darling British compan that bled itself so white less cerebrally challenged people took it over have a black rifle for under 800. That is pretty amazing since you couldn't get a screw from them for under 50 bucks.
Monster Hunter speaks
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
He's pretty good and a good author. http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Hunter-International-Larry-Correia/dp/1439132852
H&K can bite me the same as Ruger.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
Sounds like something out of Van Vogt's "The Weapon Shops of Isher".
Mind you, the thief can just take your watch, too, so there's still a ways to go.
-deane
Anyone buying a pistol for personal defense will likely forget to enter the PIN for the following reasons: .22 for self defense?
1. Most businesses don't allow open carry
2. How many times have you set down your keys or cell phone and forgot where they were?
3. Who uses a figgin
As for the rest of the article. Rubber bullets = lawsuits. Better to kill than to maim. Beanbag rounds have similar issues. It looks cool on TV, but in reality it's something else.
"This injury has permanently destoryed my quality of life!" That's someting a defendant never wants to hear in a civil case.
Three shot Tasers? I've talked to guys who went through Taser training. None of them said being hit by a Taser dissuaded them from using one. In fact, it encoruages Taser for two reasons: Tasers are non-lethal, and they hurt like hell.
Only the dead have seen the end of War. - Plato
How do I go about getting one of these for my hunting knife?
How about shooting the guy that's trying to disarm you instead.
I certainly would never want a gun that relies on batteries.
Because the reality is people don't want smart guns PERIOD. Every time you make a gun more complex it becomes more failure prone. The Glocks that almost all police departments use don't even have a safety on it period - because it's an extra point of failure and something to fiddle with. Just like code, a good gun should have SIMPLICITY, both in operation and in design, as a major design goal. Needless "safety" features and ESPECIALLY anything that depends on a battery are needless fluff. A nice semi-stiff double action trigger pull is a perfectly viable "safety" mechanism for 90% of shooters. For the other 10% they need nothing more than a simple manual safety.
Glocks don't have a safety that you have to activate manually (i.e. there's no little lever to switch it between ready and safed).
They do however, have three separate safety mechanisms built in to prevent accidental firing unless you pull the trigger (one of which physically blocks the firing pin). So if, for example, you drop your Glock (or it gets knocked out of your hand) you don't have to worry about it firing.
As you mentioned, this "simplicity" is one of the great things about Glocks.