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Dune Remake Could Mean 3D Sandworms

bowman9991 writes "The new Dune remake is becoming as epic as Frank Herbert's Dune series itself. Now that director Peter Berg has been ousted, new director Pierre Morel has decided to throw out Peter Berg's script entirely, starting afresh with his own ideas and vision. 'We're starting from scratch,' said Morel. 'Peter had an approach which was not mine at all, and we're starting over again.' Morel also reveals that 'It's the kind of movie that has the scope to be 3D.' He's also keen on sticking to the original material and recognizes that he must try to delete the images associated with David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune from the public's consciousness."

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  1. Hmmm... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't thinking remaking the movie in 3D would make the plot any less confusing. (To someone who never read the books, that is.)

    1. Re:Hmmm... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The two attempts thus far have been failures to my mind. Lynch's movie had the "feel" of Dune, but as far as the script goes, it sucked really bad (which is strange, considering Herbert had substantial influence over the final product). The miniseries stuck more closely to the story, but the acting was bloody wooden. If you could have mixed Lynch's visuals and actors with the miniseries script, I think you would have had Dune down pat.

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, I've read all the original books (written by Frank himself) and I still don't think I could summarize the plot.

    3. Re:Hmmm... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe it was my age when I saw it, but to me I don't care what's in the books - the Lynch movie is what the Dune universe is to me, complete with the TOTO soundtrack, sting, the floating fat man, and all the stuff not in the book.

      He'll never be able to erase that, and might as well not even try.

      Just do the right thing and make it a long movie, anything shorter than 2.5 hours won't even scratch the surface - it will be like "a day in the life of Yoda" vs. the original Star Wars trilogy. And they better over-shoot, planning to cut a lot so we have a balance between character development, setting, and plot. None of this 10-minute introduction crap which establishes everything you need to know to understand the characters' motivations.

      In short, I expect massive fail unless they rely on 3D as a gimmick like Avatar did. Impressive it will be, but forgotten like Dune 2000 it will also be.

      Please prove me wrong, two generations of Dune fans deserve it.

    4. Re:Hmmm... by MadnessASAP · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rampaging cult overthrows galactic government.

      Done, now was that so hard? :-)

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    5. Re:Hmmm... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be easy, just get George Lucas to do it.

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    6. Re:Hmmm... by KnownIssues · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lynch's movie had the "feel" of Dune, but as far as the script goes, it sucked really bad (which is strange, considering Herbert had substantial influence over the final product).

      Ironically, Frank Herbert seems to be one of the movie's biggest fans*. Perhaps he understood that a movie is by nature a different form of story-telling than a book and that a direct translation is not always the best solution. If you judge the 1984 version as poor as a movie, so be it. If you judge it as poor for not being a faithful adaptation of the book then you've missed the point of film.

      *Citation need? Here's one stolen from Wikipedia: Rozen, Leah. "With another best-seller and an upcoming film, Dune is busting out all over for Frank Herbert." People Weekly. (25 Jun 1984) Vol. 21 pp. 129-130.

    7. Re:Hmmm... by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought the final book really sealed it off. It was a vision of true panspermia intentionally designed to insure the survival of their civilization.

      Not the right word. Herbert called it an exodus iirc and I think that's more accurate.

      Paul foresaw several problems. And by Paul we can also say by extension Herbert because Dune is a huge allegory for the 20th century.

      1. Even having gone to the stars, all of humanity remained within the control of a relatively small number of grasping assholes. Same on earth as it is in the heavens.

      2. This level of control threatens staticism and decline leading to eventual collapse of civilization. While it's possible to see the risk of Earth falling to this, I'm not quite sure I agree that a 10,000 world Imperium could suffer a similar fate. But it's Herbert's story and according to him it could happen.

      3. Even without prescience, staticism threatens humanity. Prescience just makes it all the worse. Presumably this prescience is what cements the likelihood of everything turning to shit even across an inhabited galaxy.

      4. The Golden Path to keep humanity alive is to become the ultimate tyrant and put society under so much pressure that when things burst pieces will be flung so far apart they'll never come back together again. There will always be far-flung pieces of humanity to survive even if all the rest fail. And just like nobody wants to see another Hitler, Leto II planned on being such a bastard that nobody would want to see another god emperor.

      5. A secondary goal of all this is to breed humans impervious to prescience. That negates the power of a tyrant such as the god-emperor.

      When I first read it, I thought that just and excellent, but looking back, I think the point may have been to ask what exactly we are trying to preserve when we say we want to insure our survival as a race? Backstabbing and intrigue? The strong overpowering the weak?

      I'd say that's not the part of humanity to be preserved, rather a symptom of the weakness Paul/Herbert saw that would doom us all without implementation of the Golden Path.

      I really don't think that it was as incoherent as it's often made out to be. Herbert was not just a hack churning out books.

      I like the idea of exploring the rise and fall of a messiah and how his life and teachings become twisted by his followers. I'm sure this sort of tale has been told before but Dune is the first time I encountered it. The story was also retold quite well in The Man From Earth. If you have not seen it, read nothing more but just rent it and watch it cold. You will thank me later.

      As I said in another post, I didn't like where the story went with the whole god emperor bit. And after that Herbert lost his muse and was just churning out books for the paycheck, just like Clarke in his later years. Awful, awful Space Odyssey sequels, Rama sequels, and Gentry Lee bullshit.

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    8. Re:Hmmm... by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be easy, just get George Lucas to do it.

      NO! The risk of him creating a Dune Jarjar is too great.
      Call Michael Bay!

    9. Re:Hmmm... by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be easy, just get George Lucas to do it.

      NO!

      Surely you mean "Dune Not Want"?

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    10. Re:Hmmm... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just wait about a decade, all the details will slip away and your entire memory of it will look something like this:

      Kid goes to a different planet, some fat dude wants to kill him, he runs away and hides with crazy cave-people who drink their own piss, something about a big worm, then he comes back and kills everybody, oh and there's a huge spaceship and some lizard-looking dude who lives in a giant bong, anyway he kills the emperor and becomes the king of everything and then his little sister is creepy for awhile.

      The second book I remember as follows:

      Uh, there's a weapon that's kind of like a nuke except it just melts down instead of exploding and the kid gets hit by it and his eyes melt but he can see anyway, a bunch of other stuff happens too probably?

      So you see, time makes summarizing anything easy!

    11. Re:Hmmm... by Romancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For me...

      It was by the vision of Lynch that Dune acquired greatness, the fans acquire happieness, the fans have given warning. It is by will alone they set the movie in motion.

      For those who had not read the books yet but like the genre it was awesome. My whole town full of geeks loved it, then we read the book and it was another completely different set of greatness. Like a double gift for sci-fi geeks. I didn't happen to like the series because of the horrible acting. The original book and the movie were seperate but both great.

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    12. Re:Hmmm... by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Informative

      That post has the stink of Brian Herbert about it.

    13. Re:Hmmm... by Maudib · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe it was my age when I saw it, but to me I don't care what's in the books - the Lynch movie is what the Dune universe is to me

      Good grief, this is like saying Cheeze Whiz is what defines cheese for you. I'm sorry for you.

    14. Re:Hmmm... by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 4, Funny

      True. Let us slay the infidel honorably. Draw thine knife, kafir!

    15. Re:Hmmm... by VincentFreeman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Excuse me, but I'm calling serious bullshit on that!

      You call bullshit? Alright, I'll raise one interview with Frank Herbert & David Lynch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zw10o48NoE

      Give it a good listen. Fascinating stuff.

  2. Nice! by pwnies · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice! I cant wait for a sci-fi movie that's entirely done in 3D where the main character bonds with an idigenous species who dwell on a planet that has a resource unobtainable anywhere else in the universe! They should get James Cameron to direct it!

    1. Re:Nice! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Funny
      You forgot "gains the trust of the indigenous populations and rebels against the imperialist ruling establishment exploiting said resource in a holy war."

      The difference in Dune is that only the eyes are blue.

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    2. Re:Nice! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pshaw! Who'd ever go to see a movie like that? That's crazy talk!

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    3. Re:Nice! by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dune was a little more complicated than that. Paul Atreides didn't "rebel" against anyone; he fought against the Harkonnens (a rival clan) and their ally, the Emperor. He never betrayed his own feudal clan, the Atreides; they were betrayed by the Emperor.

      Moreover, in Avatar, there was no "holy war", only a war of self-preservation. The humans wanted to eliminate or displace the natives, the natives didn't want to move or be killed off, so they fought back. The motivations for the Fremen to ally with Paul Atreides were more complicated than that.

    4. Re:Nice! by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 5, Funny

      No...that's not crazy talk.

      THIS is crazy talk:

      Ostrich muffins creme-filled tires blue basket marshmallow glimmer frog Natalie fried-rice puppy barrel monkey!!!

  3. Why not just use Herbert's screenplay? by proslack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alternatively, they could use Frank Herbert's screenplay that he wrote for the original Dune movie (rejected for length; hardly an issue given the length of recent epics). That would arguably be closest to his own vision.

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  4. Oh, Hubris! by mujadaddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "recognises that he must try to delete the images associated with David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune from the public's consciousness."

    Some of us LIKE that movie. Frankly, no Dune movie can succeed without Brad Dourif.

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    1. Re:Oh, Hubris! by realmolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Lynch version, as a movie, isn't that great. Though it's definitely worth watching once.

      But the LOOK of it is fucking awesome. It's absolutely perfect. It's going to be hard to beat, purely from a design standpoint. Lynch's vision of decaying/dirty semi-clockwork technology and culture was absolutely spot-on. "Dune" is dirty and creepy and weird (no pun intended). It has to be.

  5. Still gonna suck. by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Dune" is probably the greatest 20th-century science fiction novel. It is, for better or worse, unfilmable.

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    1. Re:Still gonna suck. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Dune" is probably the greatest 20th-century science fiction novel. It is, for better or worse, unfilmable.

      Yes I think they should at least try to film a different unfilmable novel. How about Neuromancer or Ringworld?

    2. Re:Still gonna suck. by PaganRitual · · Score: 4, Funny

      Battlefield Earth all but proved that great sci-fi books are often unfilmable.

    3. Re:Still gonna suck. by eln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think what makes Ender's Game unfilmable is all the naked kids running around in it, not how "cerebral" it is.

    4. Re:Still gonna suck. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because when Hollywood adapts William Gibson, they create Johnny Mneumonic. Need I say more?

  6. David Lynch movie was innaccurate but was ART by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The David Lynch interpretation was brilliant. It was artistic, it looked great, had excellent sets and cinematography. The literal stage play, I mean the SciFi production, was flat, dull lacking in emotion and life as it tried to accurately portray the novel. Nerds! Stop it! Movies are cinematic interpretations of a novel or another body of work, for it to work in the movie format, many things must change. The David Lynch version had a great score, had actually emotional scenes, the Baron was excellent, Sting brilliant. Yes you hate it because it wasn't accurate, fine but you don't respect excellent cinema either.

    I hope this version pisses you particular nerds off by being cinematic, beautiful and daring in the liberties it takes with Herbert's fine novel. Really now it can't be any worse than what his son has managed to accomplish.

  7. Public's Consciousness? by Flubb · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll probably watch it as soon as they're able to delete the images of Sting in a speedo from my consciousness.

  8. Re:Cults by Knara · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I haven't read any Harry Potter and I have found all the HP films to be very enjoyable, personally.

  9. that's a matter of opinion by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Dune" is probably the greatest 20th-century science fiction novel. It is, for better or worse, unfilmable.

    No. It's a difficult adaptation but not impossible. LOTR was thought to be impossible. I think Peter Jackson did a bang-up job. Your mileage may vary.

    The mini-series adaptations were noble in effort if flawed in execution. The problem with something like Dune is that it really demands to be made into a full season. Take the first three novels since they were meant to be the original story. Season 1, season 2, season 3. 13 episodes a piece. That's more than enough time to tell the story. As it stands, the miniseries would probably be incomprehensible to anyone not already familiar with the story. And trying to do it in a single movie? Impossible. Madness.

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    1. Re:that's a matter of opinion by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your books are about half imagery and half story, when the movies end up having about an hours worth of plot and the rest as battle scenes and aforementioned imagery then I guess you have done a bang-up job. But Dune is a bit of a bigger undertaking. It's like trying to create a movie around The Foundation Saga. It's just not as easy as massive battle scenes full of cut and paste soldiers.

      Gonna start a nerd holy war on that one. :) Lord of the Rings, both the movie and the book, was about more than just battles and imagery. Dune really is more of a psychological story than Lord of the Rings which was meant to be epic myth-making on an epic scale. Dune has a lot of character-driven conflict that could just as easily be played out on an empty stage. Lots of eye-candy and worldbuilding will be icing on the cake but there's nothing about the book that says the story has to remain in the book. The hard part, of course, is handling exposition in a fashion that is not an infodump but remains interesting and engaging.

      The part I'm not entirely satisfied with in Dune is Leto II's interpretation of the Golden Path and the whole transformation into the god emperor. That was the point where the story felt like it slid off the rails and the following books cemented that feeling. The whole Honored Matres thing felt tacked on.

      The other part that really bothered me was the whole other memory thing. The Dune universe is presented as materialistic and godless, at least with no more proof of God's existence or lack thereof than in our own world here and now. But there's evidence of supernatural things such as the other memories awakened within the bene gesserit by the spice. The baron's own personality lived on within Alia and consumed her. How is this so? Is there some sort of junian universal subconscious, a collective soul we're all connected to? Or is all of that memory supposed to preexist within the eggs of the female line? But then the male reverend mother they sought would have access to the male side of the memories as well so this means they're passed through sperm, too? Or is it really an external thing? And if there is such a thing, could it may as well be God for all intents and purposes? A god made manifest by the shared minds of humanity. And clones presumably only need the source DNA. But Herbert never explains it and the whole mystical side seems out of place given the otherwise hard scifi setting. I can buy superb mental conditioning and powerful developments of the human mind in the post-AI age. I can buy abilities that lie within the extremes of the physically possible. But the mystic stuff presupposes a mechanism to explain it and that raises a whole host of new questions. If I see a vampire, I now wonder if there are werewolves. If I see inexplicable psychic powers, now I wonder what else could be possible.

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    2. Re:that's a matter of opinion by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "memory" thing as you call it was RNA-encoded memory (it was kind of a pop-sci pseudotheory that floated around for a while in the 1960s and 1970s, Larry Niven used it for a story as well). You'll notice if you read the books that none of those ancestral individuals were there until death, basically they're identities got stuck in the RNA of a Bene Gesserit when they contributed their bit at conception. The only exception was the Duncan Idaho golah (clone) that shows up in the last two novels, who was cloned from all sorts of previous Duncan Idaho golahs, including what were obviously scrapings of Duncan Idaho's killed by Leto II (hence that Duncan Idaho did have memories of his death). The whole point of the Kwisatz Haderach was that it would be a male that could both go into the Bene Gesserit spice trance and could also access male racial memories/identities (apparently women could only see female ancestors).

      As to prescience, while Herbert never really went into it, it's clear that it was a naturalistic phenomenon in his universe. It isn't magic, but what appears to be a way for a prescient individual to collapse the wave function, which is why prescience ended being so bad, even before Muad-dib came on the scene (the Guild had been using it for thousands of years since the destruction of the AIs), because it essentially locked humanity into a single future.

      So while Herbert's Dune universe seems to have some supernatural aspects, that's only because, to some extent, the players treat them that way. The Bene Gesserit and the Guild, in particular, surround their powers in a thick layer of metaphysical mumbo jumbo, but underneath, those powers are rationally explainable (within the context of the universe Herbert creatd).

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  10. Re:Needs a sidekick by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mesa think isa great idea.

    And, you know what? I know we're trying to be more faithful to the original work, but this whole "butlerian jihad" bit really seems a minor point... How about we add some robots, huh?

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  11. Lynch's Dune -- Like a movie made by aliens by Yergle143 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off pick up the book again some time and read the dialog aloud and tell me
    Herbert's writing doesn't define wooden.

    That's OK, maybe the Bible has more in common with this book then say,
    the slangy chatty "Avatar".

    That Lynch pulled in stuff from a different dimension was well and good. I personally
    think "milking a cat", Gurney attacking with one hand on a gun and the other holding
    a pug, heart plugs and the tubes going into the brains of the Guild are more poignant
    than anything in the book.

    Lynch's "Dune" sent me to a different dimension. "Avatar" sent me to bed
    with a headache.

  12. Re:How many remakes have their been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    no, but you can get atrophy.

  13. Re:ain't broke, don't fix it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry for being a grammer nazi when I'm far from perfect...

    You're right; you are far from perfect. To begin with, it's a (potential) spelling error, and spelling has fuck all to do with grammar. In the same breath, you also misspelled grammar. Way to go.

    Here's a tip for the future: Instead of apologizing for being a grammer nazi,

    just fucking skip the attempted nazi-ing all together. You'd look less like a jack ass, and save both of us some typing.

  14. Re:ain't broke, don't fix it by RiddleofSteel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every Sci-Fi geek I know liked the film, non-geeks hated it. I'm not saying we loved it, but for the time it was different and interesting. So I really don't think he's overstating the popularity for it's market base. For many people they had not even heard of Dune before the movie, and while the books are much better I never would have read them without the Lynch version.

  15. Re:3D, who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People will start to care if they made a 4D Dune movie composed of prescient visions.

  16. MOD PARENT DOWN by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's referring to the sequels that were written by someone who clearly hasn't read the originals. In Children of Dune, Frank Herbert writes about the attitude of dependency being destructive not the machines themselves. In God Emperor, he writes that humanity has evolved to the point where it is no longer likely to suffer this problem. The dialogs between the Reverend Mother and the God Emperor indicate that fear of computers is irrelevant for modern humans. In Chapter House, he reintroduces this theme, showing that the Archivists lose some of their humanity when they start to think like computers and are, ultimately, a dead end.

    In the prequel and sequel series, there is an evil AI with completely inexplicable motives who tortures humans for no obvious reason and is later somehow a threat to humanity.

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  17. Let me fix that... by naasking · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let me fix that:

    Rampaging cult overthrows galactic government with the help of hallucinogenic drug everyone eats with breakfast .

    There, much better.