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Dune Remake Could Mean 3D Sandworms
bowman9991 writes "The new Dune remake is becoming as epic as Frank Herbert's Dune series itself. Now that director Peter Berg has been ousted, new director Pierre Morel has decided to throw out Peter Berg's script entirely, starting afresh with his own ideas and vision. 'We're starting from scratch,' said Morel. 'Peter had an approach which was not mine at all, and we're starting over again.' Morel also reveals that 'It's the kind of movie that has the scope to be 3D.' He's also keen on sticking to the original material and recognizes that he must try to delete the images associated with David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune from the public's consciousness."
I don't thinking remaking the movie in 3D would make the plot any less confusing. (To someone who never read the books, that is.)
Nice! I cant wait for a sci-fi movie that's entirely done in 3D where the main character bonds with an idigenous species who dwell on a planet that has a resource unobtainable anywhere else in the universe! They should get James Cameron to direct it!
Alternatively, they could use Frank Herbert's screenplay that he wrote for the original Dune movie (rejected for length; hardly an issue given the length of recent epics). That would arguably be closest to his own vision.
Floating in the black seas of infinity without a paddle.
Unless it is as close as the SciFi one or better we can do without. 3D is a neat effect at first, but just like explosions don't make Michael Bay movies watchable neither will 3D rescue an abortion of a film.
Some of us LIKE that movie. Frankly, no Dune movie can succeed without Brad Dourif.
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"Dune" is probably the greatest 20th-century science fiction novel. It is, for better or worse, unfilmable.
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
The David Lynch interpretation was brilliant. It was artistic, it looked great, had excellent sets and cinematography. The literal stage play, I mean the SciFi production, was flat, dull lacking in emotion and life as it tried to accurately portray the novel. Nerds! Stop it! Movies are cinematic interpretations of a novel or another body of work, for it to work in the movie format, many things must change. The David Lynch version had a great score, had actually emotional scenes, the Baron was excellent, Sting brilliant. Yes you hate it because it wasn't accurate, fine but you don't respect excellent cinema either.
I hope this version pisses you particular nerds off by being cinematic, beautiful and daring in the liberties it takes with Herbert's fine novel. Really now it can't be any worse than what his son has managed to accomplish.
I'll probably watch it as soon as they're able to delete the images of Sting in a speedo from my consciousness.
I thought the SciFi network mini series a few years back was pretty faithful. I'd watch a new 3D big effects version, but it hardly seems necessary.
I haven't read any Harry Potter and I have found all the HP films to be very enjoyable, personally.
"Dune" is probably the greatest 20th-century science fiction novel. It is, for better or worse, unfilmable.
No. It's a difficult adaptation but not impossible. LOTR was thought to be impossible. I think Peter Jackson did a bang-up job. Your mileage may vary.
The mini-series adaptations were noble in effort if flawed in execution. The problem with something like Dune is that it really demands to be made into a full season. Take the first three novels since they were meant to be the original story. Season 1, season 2, season 3. 13 episodes a piece. That's more than enough time to tell the story. As it stands, the miniseries would probably be incomprehensible to anyone not already familiar with the story. And trying to do it in a single movie? Impossible. Madness.
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Mesa think isa great idea.
And, you know what? I know we're trying to be more faithful to the original work, but this whole "butlerian jihad" bit really seems a minor point... How about we add some robots, huh?
Bow-ties are cool.
First off pick up the book again some time and read the dialog aloud and tell me
Herbert's writing doesn't define wooden.
That's OK, maybe the Bible has more in common with this book then say,
the slangy chatty "Avatar".
That Lynch pulled in stuff from a different dimension was well and good. I personally
think "milking a cat", Gurney attacking with one hand on a gun and the other holding
a pug, heart plugs and the tubes going into the brains of the Guild are more poignant
than anything in the book.
Lynch's "Dune" sent me to a different dimension. "Avatar" sent me to bed
with a headache.
no, but you can get atrophy.
Do we really need another attempt to re-make 'Dune'? Yes, David Lynch's 1984 film version was really, really bad. Unwatchable, even. But I thought the healing process was complete with SciFi's Dune (2000) miniseries.
I watched the miniseries (but not the followup, Children of Dune (2003)) and thought it was great. They did an amazing job with the story. With a 3-part miniseries, you can take your time with the story, so it doesn't feel so rushed. Sure, it had William Hurt in it (I find him boring) but was good nonetheless! :-)
I'm not convinced we need another re-make of this.
You're right; you are far from perfect. To begin with, it's a (potential) spelling error, and spelling has fuck all to do with grammar. In the same breath, you also misspelled grammar. Way to go.
Here's a tip for the future: Instead of apologizing for being a grammer nazi,
just fucking skip the attempted nazi-ing all together. You'd look less like a jack ass, and save both of us some typing.
Why is 3D mentioned? Who cares? I am so sick of people chasing carrots. Just make a fucking good movie and be done with it. Or at least try.
Every Sci-Fi geek I know liked the film, non-geeks hated it. I'm not saying we loved it, but for the time it was different and interesting. So I really don't think he's overstating the popularity for it's market base. For many people they had not even heard of Dune before the movie, and while the books are much better I never would have read them without the Lynch version.
It's 's' unless it's American English. No, I don't mean it in the Microsoft way of dictation, but rather the international standard. Honestly, only Americans could bastardize the word bastardise.
Well what do you expect? They took the 'u' out of honour as well.
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He's referring to the sequels that were written by someone who clearly hasn't read the originals. In Children of Dune, Frank Herbert writes about the attitude of dependency being destructive not the machines themselves. In God Emperor, he writes that humanity has evolved to the point where it is no longer likely to suffer this problem. The dialogs between the Reverend Mother and the God Emperor indicate that fear of computers is irrelevant for modern humans. In Chapter House, he reintroduces this theme, showing that the Archivists lose some of their humanity when they start to think like computers and are, ultimately, a dead end.
In the prequel and sequel series, there is an evil AI with completely inexplicable motives who tortures humans for no obvious reason and is later somehow a threat to humanity.
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Some of the Harry Potter movies (Order of the Phoenix being the worst offender) are so off it's funny
I thought that film was one of the best. The book had about 300 pages that a half-decent editor would have cut. Nothing of interest happened; no plot, not character development. The film only covered the events in the other 400 pages.
In contrast, The Half Blood Prince felt like they'd pulled all of the pages out of the book, thrown two thirds of them away, and then filmed the rest verbatim in a random order.
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In Canada, we just accept both spellings and get on with our lives.
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Let me fix that:
Rampaging cult overthrows galactic government with the help of hallucinogenic drug everyone eats with breakfast .
There, much better.
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Ridley Scott hated the theatrical release of Blade Runner, but I loved it. What the filmmaker thinks of his films has little to do with how much I like them. I thought the Dune movie was pretty awesome when I saw it first, but it didn't age well. But, like other readers, that's the Dune universe I knew. I didn't mind the Weirding modules. They reminded me in some ways of Spider-Man's web shooters. Not needed, but a cool part of the mythos that says something interesting about their inventors.
Still haven't read the book though, but I didn't have to read Phillip K Dick to appreciate Blade Runer either.
The basic problem with "Dune" today is that it predates the Gulf War. We know what "desert power" looks like now - M1A2 Abrams tanks and A10 Warthogs. There were worries back in 1991 that mechanized armies couldn't operate in the desert.
Wrong. You go through more air filters. Some spare parts get used up. The tanks keep rolling.
Remember those Iraqi solders in the first Gulf War who were all dug in, armed, and ready to fight? THe US sent in a line of tanks equipped with bulldozer blades, rolled over them, and buried them alive in sand. Being out in the open desert against a modern army is death. I don't care how good your knife fighters are.
And a giant sandworm with a big open mouth looks like a good RPG target.
There are insurgency tactics that work, but they depend on having a friendly population to hide in. They also require an opposition that doesn't consider extermination of the entire population in the area an option.
Actually if you read the books it isn't an issue. The whole shield technology they developed made even a simple shielded human into a portable nuclear bomb. The shields rendered conventional ballistics useless but energy weapons hitting it made the shield go "giga-boom". Unlike desert storm Arrakis is pure sandy nothingness. Not bed-rock or compressed earth. Even an Abrams tank in that situation could litterally bury itself in the sand (Think sahara not the badlands. Dunes and sandbases that are at least as deep as a sand worm is tall.)
The worms themselves are pretty durable apparently and conventional ballistics had been long abandoned due to shield technology. What is left are energy weapons and the skin of the worms might be able to endure quite a bit of heat energy and with all that silica acting as refractory sufraces radiation may not be an issue.
The political aspect wasn't lost on Herbert. The Fremen were in control of Arrakis in reality with leverage against the Spacing Guild. The Emperor or any would-be house would suddenly find it hard to transport a real full army to Arrakis to wipe out the Fremen. Only after Paul rallied the Fremen did it appear that the Spacing Guild would allow a real full contingent of troops to arrive.
The books were more about politics rather then military or traditional SciFi.
Paul is a fictional icon that the BG held in reserve to "whip out" when needed. Paul was an abberation that fit the messiah template. Paul and his mother exploited it and the BG lost control of that cultural element. With access to the inner oracle (genetic memory) Paul with the messiah template was nearly unstoppable from a political standpoint due to the religious leverage he held.
That is the brilliance of the story is the complexity of the political, social, and religious interplay. Something Lynch completely ignored.
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