Life Imagined As One Big RPG
Scoop Snookems writes "Will there be a day where we earn achievement points simply by brushing our teeth or high-fiving a friend? There could be, according to Carnegie Mellon professor Jesse Schell. In this video from the annual DICE summit, Schell comments on recent evolutions in gaming before fixating on a concept where our futures evolve into one big RPG. Fascinating stuff, and I hope writing this post nets me 10 points."
And, of course it should work both ways. Eventually people cease to receive points for wiping their ass or washing their balls and begin to lose points for not doing either.
* With the exception of extra lives and respawning, of course.
So what's a relevant first post get me? 100 points?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
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Sorry dude, but those are life points. Go help a little old lady across the street, or save a stuck kitten in a tree. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Seems like a nice system to facilitate more corporate and government intrusion and control of individuals to me.
I've read articles where kids with behavioral disorders, social anxiety, general nerdiness, etc were encouraged to use this as a means of driving more appropriate/better behaviors. Like if a shy kid talked to a classmate, he gave himself 10 points, etc. Then they worked with the therapist to track the whole thing - basically making life your RPG.
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"Achievement Unlocked"
http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked
I think it's an excellent statement about the prevalent use of achievement systems for their own sake.
And a lot of what you do isn't worth any points at all.
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We all play roles in life, we all gain "levels" and earn currency to barter for more stuff. We grind out content with to earn a reward. RPGs are designed to imitate life in a mathematical way that isn't so far-fetched that it destroys our suspension of disbelief. The current parallels between life and RPGs don't impress me. However, the one and only feature that I truly wish I could have from an RPG would be the ability to reload. Or in the case of an MMORPG, the ability to reroll/rez. When that happens, THEN I will be impressed.
So when will we start to walk around with signs over our heads that say our name, and have a backpack that can hold an ungodly ammount of armor and wepons.
Reminds me of Largo from Megatokyo, who seems to live within a variety of video games and sees zombies instead of people and robots instead of cardboard boxes. We already have a way to measure achievement (at least on one level). It's called money. There are certainly others; career advancement, academic achievements, karma points...
Why on earth would I *want* to imagine my life as a rocket-propelled grenade?
What if this physical reality is not as absolute as it mostly appears? What if the perception-warping effects of psychedelic drugs show that fundamentally this reality is subjective and flexible? What if it is really an adaptive stage, a credible illusion, in which we play out the role called "life"?
If true, that would certainly explain why we are so easily addicted to and feel at home in RPGs as we would be born role players.
I can definitely see this type of thing helping the education system. Giving kids levels and achievements by grades.. I'm not talking A's, B's, and C's. Something to be learned from martial arts and gaining belts. Only being able to move on once you pass a certain degree of mastery. I think we're all a little too used to the boring and old ways of getting grades and moving on. It all seems to be too normal. This could be a way to get kids involved and create a little more pizzazz in learning and gaining "experience". Maybe let them wear little Orc avatars to their spelling bee's.
I do not need to knock on my neighbor's door. In fact, going inside, opening his cabinets, and taking whatever I want is expected.
I get experience points for beating up stray dogs.
I find treasure chests, unlocked and unopened, hidden away in all sorts of bushes and alleyways around my city. Some even contain armor!
I don't work out, I level up!
I only carry up to 255 pieces of any item.
If I receive something that appears to be worthless (like a Rusty Sword) I must carry it with me wherever I go, in case I find someone who can restore it to its former glory.
When I buy a shirt at the store, I attempt to sell them the one on my back in order to cut costs.
I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
Good vs. Evil. Karma. Deviate from the path you have chosen, lose points. Stick to the path, accrue points and power.
Michael Moorcock, whose Eternal Champion books were the inspiration for Gygax's Law/Chaos/Evil/Good/Neutral "alignment" system that has in turn been at the core -- subtly or not -- of every RPG produced should be getting residuals. Instead, he's probably just getting a good laugh.
If you take RPG to mean rocket-propelled grenade.
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Second Life? I'd better get my penis helmet in order.
Ultima 4? I'd better start trying to be a better person.
Ultima Online? I'd better start trying to be a much, much worse person.
WoW? I'd better start practicing being a hot elf chick.
A Squaresoft RPG? Christ, I'd better start working on my hour long monologue skills.
So, now life isn't exciting enough by itself -- we have to add glitzy game-play elements to it to make it more interesting.
It's kind of a sad commentary on our society (or at least some portions of our society) if that's the case.
Isn't this the sort of concept present in Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom? Right now I'm a bit low on my Whoopie.
I've always thought it would one day become possible to have a racing game which would have actual streets. You'd be able to "buy" certain areas or maps and you'd be able to park your fictitious vehicle in front of your fictitious house. Streetview has brought us one step closer.
I've met Jesse Schell. The man is charismatic and completely insane.
....its called money. And you don't get any for brushing your teeth or high fiving a friend.
Already been done.
Oh, wait ... that's exactly what it is.
Me, I'm playing in Black & White. I'm the Noodly One.
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"Down and Out In the Magic Kingdom" has something like this although is was closer to PageRank then points.
This is why I love going to the gym so much, no joke. Well part of it is having better physique, but getting to go from 110lbs to 180lbs on the incline dumbbell press is a lot of fun. You can even use rare-candies in the form of protein shakes after working out.
Facebook is a video game too, you try to get more posts on your wall by coming up with clever/funny/interesting status updates.
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I do believe you meant to say "Shogun", a game published in 1988 whose sole objective was to become popular enough to hold the title "zen master". You could achieve it through the usual benevolent acts of kindness, or killing anyone who didn't agree to like you. Very enlightening game for a 7 year old, let me tell you what.
I'm pretty sure that I'm just an avatar in a simulation and the guy playing me is an adolescent, socially-maladjusted teen with A-D-D and some strange fetish tendencies... or maybe that's just me.
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The only problem associated with this "reward system" is that in order for the system to determine what constitutes "good behavior" and "bad behavior" it would have cross the gender, race, cultural, and religious lines already drawn and somehow amalgamate them.
This is basically impossible. Look at all the crazy scenarios that one reads about in the news everyday. How the hell could we implement such a system? And if such a system were ever created, why not use it in real life instead of just the game?
This entire thought experiment or whatever you want to call it is nothing more than a giant waste of time and an exercise in futility.
When I saw RPG in the headline, at first I thought it meant "rocket powered grenade." It had never occurred to me that life could be "imagined as one big rocket powered grenade." After clicking on the link, I soon discovered that RPG could also stand for "role playing games." So then I realized that he meant that life could be "imagined as one big role playing game," which made more sense.
As someone who is not into playing computer games, that other meaning for RPG did not immediately occur to me.
It's already here.
a. brushing teeth gives you health "points"--you say alive longer with good dental hygenie.
a. high-fiving gives you mental points -- you feel good.
A RPG is JUST a game, a game is a perspective, it's not reality--which is way more complex. And today's RPG is based on binary principles (it needs to run on a computer)--which the world is not.
I would like to reroll as a female character. I would never have to leave the house again.
So I realize the article is sort of whatever (having not read it myself, I can only assume that's the case) but a friend of mine has been harping about a reputation based economy where the dollar is less meaningful and you earn favors and acquire goods more on how well known you are in a particular area or field. A Nobel winner would be given kingly treatment wherever he or she goes while a politician would remain hated or loved depending on where they are, as they do now.
It was an interesting concept, hearkening back to traveling bards and the time before recorded music.
Milton Bradley's or Conway's? both would be weird as RPGs
High school diploma, BA/MA/PHD technical certifications, wedding ring, etc. are all pretty much achievements.
Life is full of times when you get stupid pieces of paper or random objects that show that you've done something. Might be something useful/positive (PHD), negative (prison record), or only really of interest to you (photo of the person who had a summer fling with), but it's all the same thing. Video game achievements are just an attempt to replicate the "see, i did that!" aspect of real life - albeit in a way that stimulates people's competitiveness.
So instead of having kids, it's considered rolling an alt?
Didn't you all know? God mastered his own realm, and got bored. That means we're all (N?)PCs in God's rendition of an MMORPG.
Further, we're mastering our realm, and getting bored... so it's our turn to spawn new universes to play in. It's been said it's coming on "the Cloud".
Dating: The Masquerade
Religion: The Apocalypse
Corporate Ladder: The Ascension
Bank Balance: Oblivion
Sleep: The Dreaming
At least it would require you to find some way to go out with a *bang*!
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There is a website that does just that actually (let you rack up points for your own life achievements). http://www.lifeachievements.org/
Life is great and all, but there’s just too much tedium. Parts of it are just incredibly boring.
It would have been so much cooler if I could have had a macro do my homework for me.
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Why has no one yet mentioned Daniel Suarez's book Daemon? http://thedaemon.com/
By the end of the book, it's pretty much a real-life MMORPG, with non-Daemon people as NPCs.
Nobody remembers this guy?
This is some twenty-something guy suddenly noticing things that smacked me around the head when I was that twenty-something guy when I picked up Colin Fletcher "The Man who Walked through Time" and got rid of most of my camping gear 'cos going camping with a groundsheet and a sleeping bag and NO TENT was more REAL. Back in the Reagan years.
I like this article:
http://www.pixelpoppers.com/2009/11/awesome-by-proxy-addicted-to-fake.html
That said, I think an automated pat-on-the-back system would do wonders for motivation in education... but more from the perspective of unlocking the tech tree / curriculum, and showing what new abilities a student might have after mastering second-order differential equations or the Level IV history of Mesopotamia analytical text.
But it may just as well breed more precious coddled snowflakes that can't cope with actual mistakes and failures in life. But I guess it just depends on how well it's implemented.
Clubbing could be viewed as a raid, and the hookup as the boss fight. Make sure your DPS is up to snuff and you can get past her DR (dick resistance) with some debuffs (alcohol) and use your class granted feats (style, conversation) to exploit her weaknesses ; )
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It is interesting to see ones life compared to that of the flight of the rocket propelled grenade. I suppose the initial launch of the projectile would be like the birth, beginning, of us, and each of the twists and turns of the projectile seen as the triumphs and tribulations of life, and the imminent impact of the projectile into a tank's hide would be like the downward spiral of health with the actualy impact of the projectile being death.
Beware of contracting RPG Radiculopathy.
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I'm not participating.
I don't need points to make me do tasks. This would only further align my interests with those of corporations and the government, effectively manipulating me. I see a lot of problems with this picture. Should we be given another reason to embrace narcissism? Is it ethical to be monitored by countless sensors at all times? How will this effect our mental health? Hopefully the replicator will be invented soon and this dystopia will be averted.
This game fucking sucks. I'm canceling my subscription.
It's a great concept. Really. But why does it work? He mentions people put money into Mafia Wars on Facebook so they can be better than their peer. I don't think this kind of competitiveness with others is great for society. I think it actually makes us dumber and greedier and more superficial. If people are gonna compare themselves to one another, I hope it would be more along the lines of, "That guy has really found inner happiness. I hope to do that myself one day." It seems like the norm today is more like, "That guy has really found inner happiness. Let me find some reason to hate him. If I can't find one, I'll slash his tires."
Do we really need more stuff that conflates self-worth with measurable things, like salary, possessions, wife's bra size? I'm certain all the wishful thinking in the world won't stop this from happening, but at some point we are going to have to stop comparing ourselves to our peers in order to feel good. And while we're at it, stop mixing up ecstasy (not the drug) with happiness. Big difference...
You whippersnappers! An RPG is a Role Playing Game, of course it's a lot like life. Achievements? Alts? These are things found in MMORPGs which have nothing to do with Role Playing except a D&D style genre. They're just graphical MUDs.
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...and yet, I'd lay even money that you finished that game. It's a horrid, clunky little space shooter, and it got a CRAPLOAD of completed playthroughs. Yes, I think it's an EXCELLENT statement about the use of achievement systems, specifically, that they they work regardless of what they're being glued onto. "Cover Me," the insurance MMO. It's coming.
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It's a movie called "Gamer"
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As we move closer and closer to the day we have all these neat little ports added forcibly to our arms, legs, and back, to handle the bodily functions it will be impossible to deal with ourselves, because we will each be immersed in an amnion-like fluid, in special pods, while we are tricked into thinking that what we think is real, is in fact a vast, virtual-reality world referred to by the machines running it as "the Matrix".
Row row row your boat, gently down the stream... merrily merrily merrily merrily, life is but an RPG.
Gee, might be time to turn the computer's power switch to the "On Full Force" position, exit the rectangular wall port cover apparatus, and perform that "play" activity under that giant blue "wall paper" we used to call "the sky". Before you forget how.
Check out (a) Are You Living in a Computer Simulation. http://www.simulation-argument.com/ and (b) the video Are you real http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebq0tbhap-g Both speculate on the possibility that we are a part of an MMORPG environment as envisaged by the movie Matrix
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See also www.stackoverflow.com and other similar sites: and I admit that the idea of "being good at something real and gaining experience points" has some appeal to me, too.
Good vs. Evil. Karma. Deviate from the path you have chosen, lose points. Stick to the path, accrue points and power.
It's called Scientology.