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Terry Childs's Slow Road To Justice

snydeq writes "Deep End's Paul Venezia provides an update on the City of San Francisco's trial against IT admin Terry Childs, which — at eight weeks and counting — hasn't even seen the defense begin to present its case. The main spotlight thus far has been on the testimony of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. 'Many articles about this case have pounced on the fact that after Childs gave the passwords to the mayor, they couldn't immediately be used. Most of these pieces chalk this up to some kind of secondary infraction on Childs's part,' Venezia writes. 'Just because you give someone a password doesn't mean that person knows how to use it. Childs's security measures would have included access lists that blocked attempted logins from non-specified IP addresses or subnets. In short, it was nothing out of the ordinary if you know anything about network security.' But while the lack of technical expertise in the case is troubling, encouraging is the fact that the San Francisco Chronicle's 'breathless piece reporting on the mayor's testimony' drew comments 10-to-1 in Childs's favor, which may indicate that 'public opinion of this case has tilted in favor of the defense,' Venezia writes. Of course, 'if [the trial] drags into summer, Childs will have the dubious honor of being held in jail for two full years.' This for a man who 'ultimately protected the [City's] network until the bitter end.'"

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  1. Men like these... by jdpars · · Score: 5, Funny

    Men like these are all that stand between us and the terrorists who would destroy our internet-based communications.

  2. Sure they could have been readily used. by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

    'Just because you give someone a password doesn't mean that person knows how to use it. Childs's security measures would have included access lists that blocked attempted logins from non-specified IP addresses or subnets. I

    Don't use a non-specified IP address.

    Or more specifically: graph a console cable, plug it into the device, and do what you need to do.

    That an unskilled individual would not necessarily be able to easily use them does not mean Childs did anything wrong.

    In fact, this is exactly how things should be -- in case the password is compromised, there should be additional layers of defense (IP access lists), to prevent convert abuse of accidentally leaked passwords.

    No one password should ever give anyone free reign over a critical network, without at least also having physical access or passing through a designated management point.

    1. Re:Sure they could have been readily used. by 0WaitState · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most of the city is run worse. We kind of like it that way, except when the insider dealing takes out a treasured park or restaurant.

      But, the prosecutor who slapped five million dollars bail on Terry Childs needs to be taken down, have his political career ended over this. The judge who approved the bail (different from the judge presiding over the trial) also has some explaining to do. ITS COMPUTERZ AND SCARY AND DIFFERENT AND I DONT UNDERSTAAAAAND is not sufficient reason to take away 2 years of a man's life, no matter how big an aspie asshole he might be.

      Not to mention the 14-odd jurors who have to show up 8:30AM at the courthouse for 12-16 weeks while this idiocy unfolds. Part of their lives is being stolen away too.

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  3. The Mayor's Testimony by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm glad to see the mayor can be so jocular and jovial and downright chummy, cracking wise and generally campaigning when a man's freedom is at stake here.

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  4. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't matter if his employers were competent or not; he should have let them have access to their own property.

    His employer was the city. His job was to keep the passwords safe from everyone except the Mayor. When the mayor finally asked for them, I understand he gave them to him. Was there something in there that I missed?

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  5. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    His employer was the City, which, being a government, is not a private institution but a public service. In protecting the systems from incompetent individuals, Childs is fulfilling his duty to his fellow citizens.

    Such a sense of Duty is rare these days.

  6. Re:$5 million bail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many children would you have to rape to get bail set that high? How many people would you have to kill? How many computer offenses would you have to commit?

    that would be about 2 illegal song uploads or 23 killings.

  7. Re:Any one planing to give him job after this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nah, he's pretty much fucked. In an honest world he'd be rewarded for being such an upstanding citizen standing against corruption and incompetence.

    In this world we've got whistleblower laws because nobody wants to hire an honest man.

  8. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "People authorized by city policy or law to have those passwords most likely included any number of his bosses on up the chain of command"

    You are guessing incorrectly, the actual county policy has been previously posted, and indeed, the mayor was the only person authorised. Whether that's an oversight or not, that was the policy.

    "but let's not try to pretend that he didn't violate rules and/or laws."

    He didn't. You are welcome to prove that he did, but so far you are only guess despite no evidence to support your case.

  9. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't matter if his employers were competent or not; he should have let them have access to their own property.

    His employer was the city. His job was to keep the passwords safe from everyone except the Mayor. When the mayor finally asked for them, I understand he gave them to him. Was there something in there that I missed?

    I'm pretty sure that's not in his job description. The Mayor is not the 'head of IT', and normally most mayors would NOT know the network passwords. Why would they?

    It was in his contract.

  10. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can't say that I have read his official job description but I'm pretty sure that "keep the passwords to yourself and the mayor of a major metropolitan city" wasn't it. It was probably "to keep the passwords safe from people not authorized to have them."

    If I remember correctly, they tried to get the passwords out of him after he was released from the city's employment. If that's the case, his job description no longer factored in.

    "You're fired. Give me the network passwords."
    "Sorry, that is no longer my job."
    "I'm calling the police."

    LK

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  11. System incapable of Justice. by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses.
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

    Sitting in jail waiting 2 years for a trial is not something that should happen in our country. The system is broken and needs to be fixed.

    1. Re:System incapable of Justice. by sconeu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't forget the Eighth Amendment:

      Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

      Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

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  12. Re:Both sides behaved terribly by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    He did. There was a written policy from his employer that he was not to disclose those passwords under any circumstances and he followed that policy to the letter.

    If that's not what was wanted, I guess it shouldn't have been the policy. Note that the incident where he was finally jailed was when he refused to disclose them on a conference call where he couldn't possibly know who might be listening.

  13. Re:How about men like that dumb mayor? by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you're saying it's time for a new national byline eh.

    "Arbitrariness, Security and Hidden Agendas"
    No, doesn't flow off the tongue right.

    "Commercialized warfare, industrial subjugation and for-profit courts"
    No, that's too wordy...

    "Injustice, slavery and lies"
    Hmm... I think we have a winner!

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  14. Re:Overstepped bounds by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except that the policy of SanFran (quoted in a response to previous article on Slashdot, so I'm going to be lazy and let you do your own damn research for once) SPECIFICALLY required that he not reveal the passwords to anyone but the mayor, and certainly not to someone on an open fucking conference call to which anyone else, especially the "spy girl" who he had turned in when he caught her rummaging through shit after hours, might have been party.

    He delivered the passwords, AS PER WRITTEN SANFRAN POLICY, to the Mayor in a face-to-face meeting. That is what was required of him by SanFran code. The people who tried to get him to break that policy are the idiots who should lose their jobs and be on trial.

    This is rapidly becoming myth rather than fact-based.

    The overall policy page is:
    http://www.sfgov.org/site/coit_index.asp?id=56853

    The security policy is specifically:
    http://www.sfgov.org/site/coit_page.asp?id=79251

    Which, basically, says "follow this inter-county planning document":
    http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/dtis/coit/Policies_Forms/CCISDA_security.pdf

    The password policy in CCISDA states:

    (pp 32 of the document)

    4. Policy
    4.1. General
    All system-level passwords (e.g., root, enable, NT admin, application administration accounts, etc.) must be changed on at least a monthly basis.
    All production system-level passwords must be part of the security administered global password management database.

    (removed)

    B. Password Protection Standards
    Do not use the same password for County accounts as for other non-County access (e.g., personal Internet Service Provider (ISP) account, option trading, benefits, etc.). Where possible, don’t use the same password for various County access needs. For example, select one password for the network systems and a separate password for application systems. Also, select a separate password to be used for a NT account and an AS400 or UNIX account.
    Do not share County passwords with anyone, including administrative assistants or secretaries. All passwords are to be treated as sensitive, confidential County information.
    Here is a list of things to avoid:
    Giving your password over the phone to ANYONE.
    Sending a password in an e-mail message.
    Telling your boss your password .
    Talking about a password in front of others.
    Hinting at the format of a password (e.g., “my family name”).
    Writing in your password on questionnaires or security forms.
    Sharing your password with family members.
    Telling your co-workers your passwordwhile on vacation.
    If someone demands a password, refer him or her to this document or have him or her call someone in Information Security.
    Never use the “Remember Password” feature of applications (e.g., Eudora, Outlook, Netscape Messenger).
    If you must your passwords down, store them is a secure place and never anywhere in your office.
    Passwords stored in a file on ANY computer system (including Palm Pilots or similar devices) can be compromised if encryption isn’t used to secure them.
    Change passwords at least once every three months (except system-level passwords, which must be changed monthly). Changing them more often is better.
    If you suspect that your account or password is compromised, report the incident per the Incident Response Policy and change all passwords.
    Password strength checking may be performed on a periodic or random basis by departmental or county IT or its delegates. Any passwords found out during one of these scans will require the user to change it.

    Though the "Do not tell anyone your password" sect

  15. Re:Disagreeing with the majority here... by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well two things here:

    1) You sure about his contract? I see that getting paraded around a lot but I've not seen what the actual contract says. You sure it said "Only the mayor,"? Perhaps it said "The mayor, or any of his authorized agents," meaning things like the director of IT and so on.

    2) The only reason it ever got to the point of the conference call and all that was his flat out refusal to hand over the passwords. He did the typical geek thing of "No, you can't have it," and they did the typical government thing of throwing a fit. If his concern was really his contract he could have simply said "Well according to my understanding of my contract, I'm not allowed to give the passwords to anyone but the mayor. So I either need to talk to the mayor and have him ask, or if you think that's wrong I need to talk to our lawyers and see what they say." Let people know your concern and what to do about it, they will probably be reasonable in working with you. Just say "No," without qualification, don't be surprised if they go overboard.

    In general geek types need to learn this. Don't tell people "No," don't say "I can't be done," because usually you are lying, even if you don't mean to. Most things are possible, there are just preconditions to be met. So tell people what those are. If they can't meet them, well then they can't have it. However it makes you not the bad guy. It really goes a long way with people's attitudes too. They don't feel like they are being shut down, they are being empowered. They are being told what THEY have to do to get something done.

    This goes for all kinds of requests. For example:

    --Self important asshat departmental manager comes and says "I need 50 terabytes of space on the central server to store files." Company policy is that everyone gets 100GB for no charge. Don't go "No, you can't have that much space." Instead say "Well the company only gives you 100GB for no charge. If you want more, we can certainly do that buy we'll have to add hardware. That is going to cost $X dollars, which you'll need to provide the budget for. You get me the money, I'll get you the space." Now most likely he goes away since he doesn't have the money to spend. However you aren't the bad guy, you offered to help, he couldn't get what he needed. Also you never know, maybe he say "No problem, I'll have the money transferred to your group today."

    --Mid-level manager demands administrative access to his PC. He doesn't have a reason, just says "I need it, you have to give it to me." Company policy is that nobody gets access. Again, don't say no. Instead say "Well company policy is that nobody has administrative access. If you'd like it, you'll need to get a policy exception. Here's a form you can take to the big boss to get one." You have him get permission, and sign something that says he takes responsibility for his actions. Again, you are throwing the ball in his court. He has to go ask for permission and if he gets it he has to be responsible. Maybe the big boss never gives permission, that's not your problem, you aren't the bad guy.

    In general, that's how you want to operate. Let people know what they need to do to get what they want, even if what they need to do is something you know they won't do. It will keep them much happier over all, and help insulate you against complaints. If someone goes to your boss or boss's boss and bitches that you said no, you can show that indeed you didn't, you told them what they needed to do. You didn't stop them from doing their job, you showed them what they needed to do to be able to do their job.