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Venezuela Bans Hostile Videogames and Toys

An anonymous reader writes "In an effort to 'help improve child education and prevent misconduct,' the Venezuelan government began enforcing a law on March 3rd banning war videogames and toys, imposing a fine and 2.5 years in prison on the production, distribution, sale, hiring and use of video games and toys inciting violent behavior. Alberto Federico Ravell, former director of opposing news network Globovision, has already come on twitter denouncing the authorities for seizing imported Gameboy, Wii and PlayStation 3 consoles, due to considering them violent."

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  1. Story at 11 by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tinpot dictator does something stupid. Story at 11.

    1. Re:Story at 11 by RogueyWon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Chavez does seem to have an ambition to turn "his" country into the new North Korea.

      The sad thing is that the locals seem to be applauding him. Seriously, there will be comments on this thread saying "OMG THE US/UK IS JUST AS BAD".

      No, they're not.

    2. Re:Story at 11 by royallthefourth · · Score: 4, Informative

      He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.

    3. Re:Story at 11 by pepeizquierdo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, a tinpot democratically elected president who for 11 years has been subverting all those democratic principles that allowed him to be elected in the first place. This cancer called Chavez has destroyed Venezuela's democratic institutions. His only aim is to stay in power for as long as he can. I don't think this will end well.

    4. Re:Story at 11 by royallthefourth · · Score: 3, Informative

      He didn't just change it on his own. He gets re-elected with the support of his countrymen and gets to amend the constitution only with the complicity of the legislature.

    5. Re:Story at 11 by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So then don't move to Venezuela?

      If you actually had a rough life you would not say that. If you have not eaten in a week violence in video games and the freedom to play them is way down on the list of shit you care about.

    6. Re:Story at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Soviet peasants agree: life never better!

    7. Re:Story at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have family in Venezuela, been going there for years. Here's an interesting story that was suppressed. The second time Chavez got re-elected by a super majority, 98.6% of the working population didn't show up to work the next day in protest. in contrast, he has done a lot for the poor in the haciendas on the mountain sides, but they don't have jobs and don't pay taxes. They don't contribute in major ways to the economy. I have no problem with job programs for such a populous, except that in Venezuela they don't get paid, they get tickets for socialized food programs. Still better than it was, but the working populous isn't making any of that money to invest in new business. All the job programs are run by companies Chavez owns. All the contracts those companies "win" are also owned by Chavez. You can't make any money without having to bribe officials. It's not just foreign interests he suppresses, he does it more internally. course he owns the media outlets and fines cable operators for not airing his marathon speeches. So I have no links. Take it as it is.
      Anon because my family is high profile.

  2. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by wmbetts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about seize nothing, because this law is retarded.

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  3. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by alexborges · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a gamer talking to a parent I ask you: WHy in hell do you want ME to suffer for YOU to educate YOUR CHILD in whichever way YOU decide?

    Do I violent gamer have a say in how you educate your children? Then why do you advocate in favor of people telling ME how to educate MINE?

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  4. Is This Really A Bad Thing? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they have no video games they'll go outside and play ... and then encounter other children who are being forced to have 'fun' ... which of course will result in some altercations ... a percentage of these will be violent ... and viola! They no longer need video games to incite violent behavior. Problem solved.

  5. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a parent I applaud the effort.

    You are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with actions and laws such as these. It is not the governments place to parent your children yet you cheer them on every time they do.

    You think of your children, no one else should have to.

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  6. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However, seizing the consoles seems overboard.

    Seizing anything is overboard. You might applaud the effort, but what do your kids learn? That responsibility is someone else's problem and that you have the right to control what others do? Those are the attributes of a reckless bully, exactly how we teach kids not to think. Parents should be against this for that (and the whole freedom of speech trampling of a universal human right thing).

  7. Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie. The new law, bans violent games and toys. So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold. The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy. Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist.

    1. Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Media terrorist, eh? All those poor DVDs and storage viciously butchered in his attempt to influenece their policies by fear...

      Words have meaning. The meaning of terrorist is not "someone I don't like", despite US policy to the contrary.

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    2. Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar by Canapial · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since I'm Venezuelan too, I suppose I might give this a try, taking into account a modified Frank Zappa axiom that nationality alone (instead of the original item, 'drugs') shan't be a license to behave like a douchebag or justify bogus attitudes. For those who don't like him, let's just say I'm trying to stay neutral here. Now, what I saw from the Youtube videos, one of the main reasons violent videogames should be banned (according to The Man himself) is because, besides not being representative of our own culture and the purported peace the current government preaches (somewhat randomly when you hear every now and then the colorful, Official, motto of Peaceful yet Armed Revolution, grrrr), "the Empire [the US] is inciting hatred by designing videogames that want to assassinate me". The latter of course, was wrapped under lighthearted tones, which is the preferred method of the Latin American populist formula. But if you're thinking 'oh gee I think this gentleman here is toying around with legislation to cater to his delusions of grandeur', well, if you're thinking that, then you might as well agree that Arrested Development is undoubtedly one of the best series ever. Bring it back, folks. I don't live in Venezuela because I love me some adventure. If you notice though, the first words from the original poster, there's seemingly an institutionalized view that those Venezuelan citizens who don't currently live in their country of origin are prone to commit treason of some sort [citation needed], because duh, there's no better country than the fifth exporter of oil worldwide that houses a ludicrous amount of people that, by majority (and this I fathom devoid of sarcasm), frown upon free enterprise, and pretty much upon the entirety of the American Pie institution, living in pretty shabby conditions, and gee, being happy with it. According to even the most favorable of statistics, there's still an awful lot of poverty and an abyssal lack of education. A little bit of insecurity here and there, a buncha crammed ghettos. Brazilian folk affectionately call it 'Favelas'. Point in case, have you read those books (hint, Huxley, Orwell, or the dystopia of your choice) where some fellas have the relentless need to identify their colors loud and proud, no matter the context? Some things are more important in life. For me, it's Hot Pockets and Coors Light (to your potential surprise, I have a full-blown London cockney accent. You never thought the day would come where someone who talks like Hugh Grant would crave Hot Pockets, did you?) Most Venezuelans like Chavez. 51% at least. Many European left-wingers ADORE The Man. If I can tell you anything about the people ruled by The Man, is that they've been socially polarized (and I can't stress that enough), and it's a lovehate thing all along. Some love videogames being banned (as curious as watching hookers debating on Theosophy). Some don't. Either way, this is the will of the people, or the majority of it. Or is it? I like The Man sometimes, though. He is quite an entertainer. And politics - quoting Mr. Zappa again - "is the entertainment branch of industry". So in that sense he's [He's] doing one hell of a job. But it's just that he is progressively, steadily leaving me without options when I have to defend him from foreigners that ask an innocent question about Himself. Even my Eurobeatnik friends are losing faith in The Man, that's how low it's gotten. D: If this looks like a hideous fat block of text on your monitor, I'm sorry. It was a good 3 pints.

    3. Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar by jmpeax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am not American, nor am I living in America.

      If such a tepid response to an obvious overstep by the government is a cultural difference, it certainly isn't a good one.

  8. Kids will be kids by camg188 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What are they going to do when a kid picks up a stick and pretends it's a gun?

  9. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by dwiget001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.

    I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.

    Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people. This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.

  10. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah. Grandchildren!

  11. Not really by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair. However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.

    Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially. They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom. That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.

    1. Re:Not really by frosty_tsm · · Score: 5, Funny

      He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair. However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.

      Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially. They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom. That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.

      I seem to recall a certain German dictator who I recall was originally elected, but I won't mention his name since I don't want to cause a Fuhrer.

    2. Re:Not really by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering we regularly used to oust elected leaders and that is how we ended up the the Iran of today, maybe we ought sit back and see how this plays out.

  12. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by jombeewoof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    killing other humans is just as if not more natural than sex.

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  13. ORLY? by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, in your crazy little head, assassinating someone - which the CIA and our proxy Mossad do regularly - is the activity of a thuggish dictatorship...

    I guess when Chavez plots an assassination of a government we subsidize, that's a crime. However, when we carry out plotted assassinations against our enemies, it's justice. Yes, it makes perfect sense to me now!

    Hypocrisy? What's that, a new Morrissey cover band?

  14. Re:hugo... by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As much as I hate censorship, I do agree with this sentiment. Has anyone actually sat down and watched a kids' show? Ben10 has something like 10 violent acts every 3 minutes.

    Being anti-censorship does not mean "anything goes". I am the primary carer (uncle for my adopted nephew) for a 4 year old, and I can tell you there is a marked increase in hyperactive behavior, aggression and general lack of control for hours after watching Nickelodeon. Consequently, I have banned TV in my house. It was a few days of tantrums, but he's gotten over it, and the improvement in behavior is astonishing.

    I flatly refuse to accept that what we watch does not affect us. Movies like Saw and Hostel simply cannot be psychologically inert, the content is just too potent.

    "Down with censorship" and "down with psychologically and socially destructive media" are NOT mutually exclusive in the same way that "down with government control" and "down with harming your neighbor" are also not mutually exclusive. Lets grow up past the idea that any control of media that has a negative social impact is censorship and should be fought. Media *can* have a negative impact on social behavior and mental health. Get over it.

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  15. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Stomping on people and throwing fireballs is pretty violent, but I dont think Mario made me a bad person.

    Yeah, but look at what it did to him .

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  16. Not a big deal... by I'mJVC · · Score: 5, Informative

    The way things are developing right now in Venezuela, in a couple months we'll have no electricity to power our violent video games anyway.

    It's another violation of our rights, but it'll have to take the back seat while we deal with the hijacked supreme court, the lack of separation of powers, 12000+ violent deaths a year, the constants attacks on freedom on speech and the money unlawfully gifted by Chavez to foreign countries while lobbying for its revolution and the 21'st century socialism, and estimated over 50 billion dollars.

    This could be called my two cents, but being in Venezuela I can't exchange local to foreign currency freely, another right violation that's 6 years old and counting.

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  17. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chimp tribes have been observed to go to war with other chimp tribes, and brutally kill them. As repulsive as you may find it, war is a natural activity for humans.

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  18. Referendum to revoke this by Artemis3 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is no seizing of consoles, that is a lie. However, this stupid law is true. In short, any sale, rent, distribution or even promotion of video games with any sort of "violence" in it, can get you 3 to 5 years in jail.

    It is explained in the law proposal that this is meant to protect the children from violence, but there is no exception for adults. Yes, for ages 18+ porn is legal, prostitution is legal, bearing firearms (with permit) is legal, but video games? no sir.

    Most game software companies will be unable to sell their products, the most affected are of course console games.

    I oppose this law and the constitution (art. 74) allows a referendum to revoke it. The question is, will enough people get together to start this?

    Here is the law in the official print (in spanish).
    Key excerpts from this law (forgive my translation):

    Article 3.1
    War videogame: Those videogames or programs usable in personal computers, arcade systems, video(game)consoles, portable devices or mobile phones and any other electronic or telematic device, which contain information or symbolism images promoting or inciting violence or use of weapons.

    Article 14
    Any who import, manufacture, sell, rent or distribute war videogames or war toys, shall be penalized with prison from 3 to 5 years.

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  19. Re:Great, but don't go overboard by dskzero · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not going to read all that because the fact that you think people who come from spanish, portuguese and the such families are responsible for the slaughter of the indigenous people 300 years ago. You have no idea of how Venezuela is nowadays. It's one of the most dangerous, hostile, and ignorant countries in the world. The "Democratic process" is held by a company who's allied with Chavez. The "aristocratic rich" people are like, i don't know, 1% of the whole population? Yet the last election chavez won by less than 10% of the total votes. Really interesting isn't it? Why does he win? Because the ignorant masses vote for him because he's a ridiculous clown, is funny, and keep saying he helps the poor, which is a sad lie. Why do I know that? For a fact. I live in Venezuela.

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