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First Creation of Anti-Strange Hypernuclei

runagate writes "Brookhaven National Laboratory has created a heretofore unknown form of matter. The matter we normally encounter, and are composed of, has nuclei of protons and neutrons that contain no strange quarks. It was known that anti-strange matter could exist, and using the Solenoidal Tracker at Brookhaven's RHIC, scientists detected a couple of dozen instances of antihypernuclei. The 'Z' axis of the Periodic Table has already been extended in the positive direction by the discovery of hypernuclei, but this new discovery extends it in the negative direction for this new type of 'strange' antimatter — which may exist in the core of collapsed stars and may provide insight into why our universe appears to be made almost solely of matter and not antimatter." The Register's coverage reproduces a helpful diagram.

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  1. heh by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can follow stuff like this, but every time I hear it, Treknobabble comes to mind. Strange quarks, you say!

    1. Re:heh by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      We will fire the Anti-Strange particle emitter into the temporal distortion field to correct the change in the timeline.

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    2. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not working! Reverse the polarity!

    3. Re:heh by jonadab · · Score: 2, Funny

      > We will fire the Anti-Strange particle
      > emitter into the temporal distortion field
      > to correct the change in the timeline.

      It's not working, Captain. The chroniton radiation emanating from the distortion field is creating too much quantum interference. I'm rerouting auxiliary power through the lateral sensor array, but it's not having any effect.

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  2. *** Sigh *** by abbynormal+brain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quote: "Hypernuclei bring a third dimension into play, based on the strangeness quantum number of the nucleus, thus allowing the territory of antinuclei with nonzero strangeness." ... Just when I thought I was starting to get it ... :-\

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    1. Re:*** Sigh *** by greenguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Three dimensional? Anti- this and that? A bit hyper? Fairly strange?

      Sounds like they've discovered my friends.

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  3. from the register's "helpful diagram": by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Atomsmash boffins' reverse alchemy bizarro-stuff triumph"

    "Sometimes there is more strangeness than none at all. Or less."

    the article is complete with a "Bootnote"

    so i'm under the impression of having advanced quantum physics described to me by a drunk with a cockney accent. i guess that's helpful...

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    1. Re:from the register's "helpful diagram": by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Funny

      so i'm under the impression of having advanced quantum physics described to me by a drunk with a cockney accent. i guess that's helpful...

      Isn't that what it takes to be able to understand Quantum Mechanics? To normal folks, there isn't any difference between Quantum Mechanics and bellybutton lint, both are totally incomprehensible.

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    2. Re:from the register's "helpful diagram": by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      so i'm under the impression of having advanced quantum physics described to me by a drunk with a cockney accent. i guess that's helpful...

      Nah. Then then they'd call "Anti-Strange Hyypernuclei" something like "Panty-mange wiper pukey pie."

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  4. so what happens by rossdee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    when this new form of matter comes in contact with the normal matter that the rest of the universe is made of? Do we get a gigantic explosion (as we would with matter and anti-matter), of do the particles just avoid each other like the plague?

    1. Re:so what happens by mapsjanhere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It really has to hurry up to do that, 100 ps doesn't give you much time to do anything. Plus,with energy in greater energy out, you can't get a bigger explosion than the one you created to create the particles to begin with. In case the annihilation of two strange atoms should destroy earth, please give yourself a Noble price on the way out.

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    2. Re:so what happens by Entropius · · Score: 5, Informative

      No.

      Strange quarks behave just like down quarks (which are one of the two constituents of protons and neutrons). The only difference is that they have a higher mass.

      Y'know how heavy water is just like light water, except one of the hydrogens is replaced with a deuterium atom? This stuff is similar, except one of the down quarks is swapped with a strange.

      Unlike deuterium, though, these lambda baryons are unstable, because the strange quark is unstable. They can decay by the weak interaction (the same thing responsible for beta decay) into an up quark and a couple of leptons (electrons and neutrinos). The amount of time that weak decays take is very long compared to the time-scales involved in quark physics, but it's still very short compared to a second.

    3. Re:so what happens by Improv · · Score: 3, Funny

      As I'm on my way out, my last words will be "It's spelled Nobel..."

      Thanks. I wanted to say something meaningful! :(

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    4. Re:so what happens by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's all good, but the major discovery here is actually anti-hypernucleons made with anti-strange quarks. So yeah, they will annihilate on contact with normal matter just like non-strange anti-matter.

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    5. Re:so what happens by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except for the anti-strange quark. Since regular matter doesn't contain strange quarks, the anti-strange quark will probably not find a partner to annihilate with, therefore it will live on until it decays into an anti-up, which then can annihilate with an up quark from ordinary matter.

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    6. Re:so what happens by sdpuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What would be interesting is if there was some combination of nucleons which would make the particle with the strange quark stable.

      For example, the half life of a free neutron is 10 minutes decay via the weak interaction, but when in a nucleus of appropriate configuration (any stable elements) it is stable.

      Would would the properties of a atom containing a strange particle be like?

  5. Amusingly... by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The linked article at the register, with the helpful diagram, kinda makes that sentence make sense. It also has gems like '“The strangeness value could be non-zero" [in such places] says Chen, a statement with which no doubt most would agree.'

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/05/negative_strangeness/

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  6. is this to be called unobtainium or bureaucracium? by swschrad · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have, of course, discovered and documented both at work. prior art does exist.

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  7. Re:Quote that made my day by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm guessing that with a name like "negatively strange antihypernucleic antimatter", Star Trek et al. will be all over this. Countdown until the term appears in sci-fi shows...

    Probably... But what I'm really hoping is that scientists -- and by extension sci-fi shows -- adopt El Reg's proposed term for negative strangeness "hypermundanity".

    Just imagine Data saying that. "Captain, the gaseous anomaly we've entered contains high levels of hypermundanity."

    "*yawn* Tell me about it, Commander."

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  8. RHIC as copy editor.... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Atomsmash boffins' reverse alchemy bizarro-stuff triumph.

    I like The Register, but it seems all their article (sub)titles are generated in the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at Brookhaven as well...

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  9. Kind of neat, but no new physics here by Entropius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We've known for quite a while that this sort of thing is possible. All quarks have the exact same strong interactions, after all. This is like strontium displacing calcium in bones -- it's got the same valence structure, it has similar properties, and it's no surprise that it happens.

    RHIC is a nifty machine for a lot of reasons. It provides an experimental counterpart to lattice QCD calculations of the equation of state of the quark-gluon plasma, which is the natural state of the universe at very high temperatures. But "OMG! An antistrange wound up in a bound state!" isn't why this machine is worthwhile, even if it does give El Reg something funny to write about.

  10. MY GOD! Do you know what this means?! by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, seriously, I'm asking.

    1. Re:MY GOD! Do you know what this means?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I know what an anti-strange hypernucleus is.

      - GOD

  11. It helps if you read Lewis Carroll. by wiredog · · Score: 3, Informative

    Preferably while tripping.

  12. Re:I've always wondered... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...why is it called a "strange" quark anyways?

    This is slightly off-topic, but from all the names they could have given the damn thing, why give it a bizarre name like that? As if particle physics weren't confusing already...

    From Wikipedia:

    The quark flavors were given their names for a number of reasons. The up and down quarks are named after the up and down components of isospin, which they carry.[48] Strange quarks were given their name because they were discovered to be components of the strange particles discovered in cosmic rays years before the quark model was proposed; these particles were deemed "strange" because they had unusually long lifetimes.[49] Glashow, who coproposed charm quark with Bjorken, is quoted as saying, "We called our construct the 'charmed quark', for we were fascinated and pleased by the symmetry it brought to the subnuclear world."[50] The names "top" and "bottom", coined by Harari, were chosen because they are "logical partners for up and down quarks".[36][37][49] In the past, top and bottom quarks were sometimes referred to as "truth" and "beauty" respectively, but these names have mostly fallen out of use.[51]

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  13. I hate you, Register. by Bahumat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I swear to god I'm going to write a script for my browser that blocks loading any page with the word "boffin" in it.

    Anywhere I can get a SERIOUS interpretation of this event that isn't busy self-fellating over how gigglingly clever it's own writers are?

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    1. Re:I hate you, Register. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not a physicist, but what I got from the article (+ some background for those who have forgotten/never took nuclear physics:)

      * Atoms are made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Atomic nuclei contain just protons and neutrons.

      * Protons and neutrons themselves are made up of smaller particles called quarks.

      * In regular matter the protons and neutrons are made up of two different types of quarks, called up and down quarks.

      * Two up quarks + one down make up a proton, one up + two down give you a neutron.

      * If you replace some or all of the up or down quarks with a different type of quark (up -> strange, down -> charm I believe) then you get a new type of subatomic particle. If you think of the periodic table as being a building, the regular periodic table makes up the ground floor, while atoms using these strange/charm subatomic particles would live on higher floors.

      * If you replace all the up and down quarks with antiup and antidown quarks, you get a new type of subatomic particle (the antiproton or antineutron.) They live in the other wing of the periodic building.

      * This article reports that researchers have found particles where both the quarks have been replaced by antiquarks and some or all of those antiup/antidown quarks have been replaced by an antistrange quark. These are in the basement of the periodic building, the first particles discovered there.

  14. Misleading summary by MikTheUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hypernuclei with negative strangeness haven't been "created for the first time". They've been produced in RHIC collisions for as long as they've been running (with sufficient energy), and it's only now that we've been able to see them.

    That, however, is quite the accomplishment, as relativistic heavy ions collisions are so complex that we're hardly begun to understand what happens in them. Think a two-hundred-truck collision at 1,000 mph, and you're interested in what screw came from which truck and how the drivers' shoes were tied.

    [No truck drivers were hurt in the writing of this comment!]

    1. Re:Misleading summary by stillnotelf · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not the only error in the summary - it also says the 'Z' axis is extended, which is wrong. Z is number of protons. They meant the 'S' axis (for strangeness) has now been extended in the negative direction.

  15. Re:I've always wondered... by calibre-not-output · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've always wondered but I never bothered to check Wikipedia... I think I spend too much time in meatspace.

    Thanks a lot!

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  16. even before clicking your link, by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    simply judging by the hyper-british name of "nigel molesworth" (is there possibly a more british name?), i have to accept that i am way over my head here in terms of obscure british esoterica

    anyway, the joke works across the pond, if for completely different reasons

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  17. Re:"Anti-strange"? by MikTheUser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wouldn't an Anti-Strange Hypernuclei just be a Normal Hypernuclei?

    No.

    "Strange", in this context, means "having the attribute of positive strangeness", which means that these hypernuclei are composed of at least one nucleon which, in turn, is composed of at least one strange quark (as opoosed to "ordinary" up and down quarks).

    Thus, "anti-strange" means "having the attribute of negative strangeness", which stands for all the ablove blah-blah, but with "strange anti-quark" inserted instead of "strange quark".

  18. Negatively strange anti-hypernucleus? by glwtta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Particle physicists have basically been fucking with us for years, haven't they?

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    1. Re:Negatively strange anti-hypernucleus? by svtdragon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're just figuring this out now?

      These are the same people who measure area in barns, sheds, and outhouses. 1 square foot = 9.290304 × 10^26 barns. Or 9.290304 × 10^32 outhouses.

  19. Re:OK Slashdot, time to get honest... by AP31R0N · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's curiouser and curiouser.

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  20. Honest question? by AP31R0N · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is anti-matter matter? Could we build stuff out of it?

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    1. Re:Honest question? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anti-matter is matter which has exactly the opposite properties from normal matter (e.g. the proton has positive charge, the antiproton has negative charge). In principle you could build stuff out of it; the problem is that in our matter world that stuff would immediately annihilate with all that matter around. Well, and that we just don't have enough antimatter to begin with :-)

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    2. Re:Honest question? by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is anti-matter matter? Could we build stuff out of it?

      Consider:

      The theoretical macroscopic properties of antimatter are the same as matter. Interaction with light, gravity, the fundamental forces, entropy would be all the same.

      If you had a world made of anti matter, everything should work the same.

      All electrical charges would be reversed - anti electrons (positrons) are positive charge.

      Anti Protons are negative charge.

      From a distance you would not know that world was made of antimatter, since properties would be the same. Electromagnetic wavelengths absorbed / emitted would be the same. Anti-Sodium would have the same yellow emission line as Sodium.

      However we have not observed antimatter besides as particles. Besides anti-hydrogen, no other anti-atoms (let alone anti-molecules) have been produced or discovered.

      Now building something made of antimatter in a matter world would be quite difficult - close proximity of a positron to an electron and you have neither particle, just a very energetic photons flying away. Any particle coming into proximity of its anti-particle results in annihilation (complete conversion of the masses of the particles to energy).

      Now if Fred meets anti-Fred (ignoring air) they explode not because macroscopic Fred sees his anti-self (no matter how many time you watch that Star Trek episode, it's not true) - it is because Fred is made up or protons, neutrons and electrons and anti-Fred is made up of positrons, anti-protons and anti-neutrons and those little guys go boom.

      How to handle such material that you cannot even get near - and "building" something means manipulating atoms, molecules - uncharged?

    3. Re:Honest question? by radtea · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not from everything, antiiron could only react with iron, for example.

      Nope.

      Anti-iron would contain anti-protons and anti-neutrons made of anti-quarks and its lepton orbitals would be filled with positrons.

      In the presense of any normal matter--an oxygen atom, say--the electrons in the normal matter would be attracted to the positrons in the anti-matter and they would anihilate, emitting gamma ray photons, leaving the nuclei more-or-less bare. The positively changed matter nucleus would attract the negatively charged anti-matter nucleus, and the various quark/anti-quark pairs would likewise annihilate, producing more photons.

      The thing is, a quark has no clue what kind of nucleus it happens to be in, so the quarks in anti-iron would happily get together with their complements in normal oxygen (or whatever). Annihilation takes place at the elementary particle level, not the baryon (proton/neutron) level.

      So while there would be bits of the anti-iron nucleus left over after it encountered an oxygen nucleus, they would be scattered around and running into other stuff...

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  21. Actually heavy water is not just like light water by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never mind its nuclear differences its:

    Heavier
    Different hydrogen bond strength (which causes toxicity in biological systems in large doses)
    Completely transparent to visible light spectrum - light water is slightly blue due to red end absorbtion
    Different melting/freezing points
    Heavy water ice will sink if put in normal water

  22. Re:I hope no super-villian gets this by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably by ending the series in a fluffy feel-good piece of facile crap.

    No I'm not bitter.

  23. Re:Actually heavy water is not just like light wat by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, D2O is not generally toxic to biological systems. Multicellular organisms don't exactly like it, but it is possible to grow bacteria and yeasts in heavily deuterated media. It is generally used to produce deuterated proteins for various analytical methods. Bacteria do tolerate 12C and 15N diets rather well, too - of course, the isotopic effect is lower there than for hydrogen. I am not exactly sure where the difference between unicellular and multicellular organisms comes from in that regard.

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  24. Re:Has anyone noticed? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Informative

    IANAP, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that the temperatures and pressures inside a collapsed star are far beyond the environment in normal nature, so weird things are bound to happen there, just like weird things happen when we accelerate particles to high velocities in particle colliders and smash them into each other. There aren't very many other places in the universe that we know off offhand where such extreme conditions exist, except for black holes.

  25. Re:Actually heavy water is not just like light wat by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The difference in hydrogen bond strength affects cell division but also messes about with enzyme and protein operation.

  26. no surprise by Khashishi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Essentially, after you get by all the silly nomenclature, (negative strangeness hypernuclei? are you serious?), all it is is confirming what we already knew. For any matter particle, there is a corresponding antimatter particle.