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MIT Produces Electricity Using Thermopower Waves

MikeChino writes "MIT scientists have discovered a never-before-known phenomenon wherein carbon nanotubes can be used to harness energy from 'thermopower waves.' To do this they coated the nanotubes with a reactive fuel and then lit one end, causing a fast-moving thermal wave to speed down the length of the tube. The heat from the fuel rises to a temperature of 3,000 kelvins, and can speed along the tube 10,000 times faster than the normal spread of this chemical reaction. The heat also pushes electrons down the tube, which creates a substantial electrical current. The system can output energy (in proportion to its weight) about 100x greater than an equivalent weight lithium-ion battery, and according to MIT the discovery 'opens up a new area of energy research, which is rare.'"

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  1. So basically they cut out the middleman by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of having a Lion battery that explodes we now have a deliberately exploding battery.

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    1. Re:So basically they cut out the middleman by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Robot charged with battery!

      Film at 11.

    2. Re:So basically they cut out the middleman by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bah. My Lion battery still eats your puny Zebra batteries for dinner!

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  2. Re:That's some hot stuff... by Xerolooper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They never said it was practical yet. It is a new area of research. Only time will tell if they discovered something useful or if they were rolling something else in a "tube" shape and smoking... ehm I mean lighting it.

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  3. Bloom is out, boom is in. by jack2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes and it's going to start a whole new era of Boom Energy

  4. Re:That's some hot stuff... by profplump · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Refueling could be as simple as pouring more fuel on the nanotubes. But it may also be irrelevant -- not all power systems need to be reusable. For example, an emergency beacon is not likely to be used frequently, so refueling is not nearly as important as shelf life. And even in applications where refueling is desirable, the increased power density may be worth it -- if you phone battery lasted 200 days instead of 2 days you might not care that the battery can only be refueled with special equipment.

    That being said, 100x might well be optimistic. Or it might be wildly conservative. Since this is a brand new field it seems unlikely that an estimate will be terribly accurate.

  5. Re:That's some hot stuff... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

    For some perspective that is about the heat that a filament in a lightbulb is at.

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  6. Re:That's some hot stuff... by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, on the scale of the tube, we're not talking about that much thermal energy. Sure, it's a high temperature, but something the size of a nanotube (around 1/50,000 the width of a human hair) won't have a significant amount of energy. It really depends on the density of these tubes that's needed to achieve a usable amount of energy. And don't forget, we're talking about localized heating here... It's not that the tubes and structure need to get to 3000*k, that's just the temperature of the flame front.. A good example of the difference is the internal combustion engine... The flame front can reach around 2300*K, but the parts its made of would begin to weaken long before that: Iron's melting point is 1800*K (the material commonly used as a cylinder lying), Aluminum's melting point is only 900*K (the material commonly used for the engine block). But engines rarely melt... Steel (commonly used for the valves in the combustion chamber) loses about 50% of its strength at only 800*K... Yet these parts --aside from mechanical failure-- survive...

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  7. Fricken Lasers by Gotung · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds like a niche energy product. Basically nano-combustion that very quickly creates a very strong electrical charge.

    Doesn't sound too great as a battery. But as "ammo" for hand held laser weapons? Could be perfect for that.

    1. Re:Fricken Lasers by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basically nano-combustion that very quickly creates a very strong electrical charge.

      EMP in a suitcase.

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    2. Re:Fricken Lasers by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      So this weapon is essentially useless on professional swimmers.

      Not to worry. That's what the sharks with lasers are for.

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  8. Link to the Nature Materials article by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Informative
    The orignal article may be found here- subscription to Nature Materials or payment required for full text. Abstract:

    Theoretical calculations predict that by coupling an exothermic chemical reaction with a nanotube or nanowire possessing a high axial thermal conductivity, a self-propagating reactive wave can be driven along its length. Herein, such waves are realized using a 7-nm cyclotrimethylene trinitramine annular shell around a multiwalled carbon nanotube and are amplified by more than 104 times the bulk value, propagating faster than 2 m s-1, with an effective thermal conductivity of 1.28±0.2kWm-1K-1 at 2,860K. This wave produces a concomitant electrical pulse of disproportionately high specific power, as large as 7kW kg-1, which we identify as a thermopower wave. Thermally excited carriers flow in the direction of the propagating reaction with a specific power that scales inversely with system size. The reaction also evolves an anisotropic pressure wave of high total impulse per mass (300 N s kg-1). Such waves of high power density may find uses as unique energy sources.

    The "fuel" used, cyclotrimethylene trinitramine, may be better known as the explosive RDX.

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    1. Re:Link to the Nature Materials article by garg0yle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I doubt that I'm gonna be able to bring a laptop on a plane with RDX in its battery...

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    2. Re:Link to the Nature Materials article by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Despite my efforts to fix those exponents after pasting in the abstract, it looks like I missed one- it should read,"amplified by more than 10^4 times the bulk value," not "amplified by more than 104 times the bulk value." The above linked abstract uses superscripts, and (hopefully) contains the correct values for everything.

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  9. Re:Kelvins are degrees on an absolute scale... by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    3000-273=2727C They were rounding. Also thermodynamic efficiency is easier to calculate in kelvins and is standard practice in thermodynamics; see carnot cycle for details.

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  10. Re:That's some hot stuff... by omarius · · Score: 2, Funny

    I agree--but I am *really* looking forward to my flaming electric car. Better start trying to snag the GHST RDR plate now....

  11. Re:That's some hot stuff... by BranMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    With really REALLY small paintbrushes