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Treasury Goes High-Tech With Redesigned $100 Bills

Hugh Pickens writes "AP reports that as part of an effort to stay ahead of counterfeiters, the Department of the Treasury has designed a high-tech makeover of the $100 bill with a disappearing Liberty Bell in an inkwell and a bright blue security ribbon composed of thousands of tiny lenses that magnify objects in mysterious ways. The new blue security ribbon will give a 3-D effect to the micro-images that the thousands of lenses will be magnifying. Tilt the note back and forth and you will see tiny bells on the ribbon change to 100s as they move. Tilt the note side to side and the images will move up and down."

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  1. Re:Wot? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Eh, doesn't really matter since nobody carries hundreds. They're large enough that most places won't take them anyways. I think it's mostly tourists and people that don't actually use cash on a regular basis that carry them around.

  2. Still out of date by anarche · · Score: 3, Informative

    pffft. put out a press release when you join the 20th century...

    http://www.questacon.edu.au/indepth/clever/plastic_banknotes.html

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    1. Re:Still out of date by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We already have plastic money. We call them credit cards.

    2. Re:Still out of date by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the linked article:

      Blank polymer substrate is also sold to a number of countries that print bank notes using their own facilities.

      Admittedly, though, I don't see the Americans being particularly enthusiastic about any part of the supply chain being out of their hands.

      Personally I care less about what they're made of and more about the sizes and colours. I know dollars are tinted now, but they're still basically green, and all the same size. Not a major issue, I know, but it's just that little bit less convenient when you're thumbing through your wallet.

    3. Re:Still out of date by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

      Well that's nice. I presume CSIRO has given the US royalty free use of the patent. What's that? They haven't? Ahh well there you go then.

      Please understand that for various reasons, not the least of which being the vast amount of US currency in use, the distance to Australia, and so on it would not at all work for the US to contract to Australia to print their notes.

      Also understand that a radical change in the materials of the notes could lead to problems in compatibility with various automated systems that deal with them. So while the longer life of the notes is nice, it isn't the only concern.

    4. Re:Still out of date by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely that means less of it will end up in the note, and more in the catwalk model's nasal cavity?

      Value added!

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    5. Re:Still out of date by anarche · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also understand that a radical change in the materials of the notes could lead to problems in compatibility with various automated systems that deal with them.

      I think this is probably a bit more important than otherwise noted.

      I don't see why CSIRO wouldn't license polymer notes, they license wireless networking...

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    6. Re:Still out of date by physburn · · Score: 3, Informative

      err, that was 10 years ago, the 20th century, did you miss the millennium. But if you want futuristic money, read last weeks new scientist, http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627562.700-schrodingers-cash-minting-quantum-money.html?page=1

    7. Re:Still out of date by Zouden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not true - while we do produce polymer banknotes for most of the countries that use them, we've also licensed the technology to Brazil, China and Israel for their own production. There's no reason the same couldn't be done in the US, apart from the Not Invented Here issue.

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    8. Re:Still out of date by mitchells00 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US Treasury Department is testing polymer bank notes, but there are concerns that the American public will reject a plastic Greenback.

      Are they serious? Americans wouldn't like more durable plastic money because it's not American paper money? I've never lived in a world with paper money, and whenever I go overseas I always notice that paper money is flimsy and often torn, not to mention in the tropics it's sweaty. Plastic money is the way to go.

    9. Re:Still out of date by Kenshin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Canada's joining you Aussies with the plastic currency soon. Next year, I think, our money is making that transition. (Let's hope they don't make the design worse. Tories + Committees generally = Bad Design.)

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    10. Re:Still out of date by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Are they serious? Americans wouldn't like more durable plastic money because it's not American paper money? I've never lived in a world with paper money, and whenever I go overseas I always notice that paper money is flimsy and often torn, not to mention in the tropics it's sweaty. Plastic money is the way to go.

      The US "rejects" changes to its currency because it never pushes changes properly. The dollar coin being one example. How do you get people to switch from dollar bills to dollar coins? By not printing dollar bills any more and taking them out of circulation when they go through clearing. Eventually everyone switches whether they want to or not. As a further incentive you pass legislation that makes old currency non-legal tender after some reasonable point, after which people must exchange it at a central bank.

      If the situation with dollars sounds pathetic, that's because it is. European countries are far more adept at switching notes than the US, so adept in fact that most of Europe switched entirely from one entire currency to another in the space of a few months. Not only does it mean currency can more readily introduce anti counterfeiting measures but can also include more features for blind & sight impaired people too such as coloured notes & size differences in coinage.

    11. Re:Still out of date by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Funny

      The feds aren't thinking of the catwalk models when they slip bags of cocaine into the money-counting machines, they're thinking of the jury's reaction.

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    12. Re:Still out of date by OnlyJedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Personally I care less about what they're made of and more about the sizes and colours. I know dollars are tinted now, but they're still basically green, and all the same size. Not a major issue, I know, but it's just that little bit less convenient when you're thumbing through your wallet.

      Or, if you happen to be blind, more than "a little less convenient". US paper currency has been ruled to be discriminatory to the blind. Unfortunately, this redesign does not address the issue.

      The biggest reason I've seen for not changing the size or adding raised/textured numbers that can be felt by hand, is that it would screw up vending machines. But there are a couple of points of counterargument. For one, can you say that older vending machines will be able to read this new redesigned bill either? It seems so totally different that it's unlikely.

      But even if it can, there's the second point; most of the many, many vending machines in the US accept $1 and $5 bills, selling $1.50 cans of coke or $1 bags of candy. Yes, there are a small number of machines selling higher priced items such as electronics, but these are much less common (and have higher profits as well). So, the solution is to start changing size from the top down, keeping the $1 bill the same. Only the relatively rare, high-profit machines need to be changed over to accept the new bills. The machines found in every school, shopping center, and transportation hub selling Coke and M&Ms don't have to be touched.

    13. Re:Still out of date by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting, but there's something unsettling about all that plastic.

      If you didn't know, US dollars are made from a cotton/linen blend. Much more durable than paper and easier on the environment than plastic.

      Coins last for decades. Every other "rich" country uses coins for something so low in value as US$1. The UK has a £2 coin (US$3), the Eurozone has €2 (US$2.6), Australia has a AU$2 (US$1.9).

      There are four British coins (£2, £1, 50p, 20p) of higher value than the highest value US coin in normal circulation (US$0.25).

    14. Re:Still out of date by anegg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you propose that the United States should move more quickly on major changes to health, financial, and economic systems? That when making $1T changes 14 months of debate is too long?

      Me, I'm happy that big changes take some debate. I'm not always happy with the outcome, but I welcome the debate.

    15. Re:Still out of date by Cimexus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah I don't buy the 'but think of the machines!' argument against changing the design of the US currency. Dozens upon dozens of other developed countries have changed currencies in the last 20 years. Australia switched from paper 100/50/20/10/5/2/1 dollar bills to polymer 100/50/20/10/5 dollar bills and $1 and $2 coins during the 90s. I don't remember any problems occurring with vending machines etc. A bunch of countries now license the Australian technology to print their own polymer money ... and they too had no major problems. If you do it over a couple of years and just let banks take the 'old' bills out of circulation when they get them, the transition is easy.

      Not to mention half of Europe which not only changed currency designs, but the actual currency (to the Euro) virtually overnight.

      Every time I visit the US I remember anew how much the USD bills suck. All the same size. All the same colour. Which means if you have a wad of them in your wallet you have to flick through them looking at the numbers to find the denomination you need. Not to mention the general flimsiness of how they feel (and it also seems they are extremely dirty!). Your coins are fine ... but the bills drive foreigners who aren't used to them insane.

      Actually the whole situation is analogous to the common arguments against America switching to metric that you hear - "but we'll have to re-engineer machines, we'll have to re-make road signs, we'll have to change our computer systems". That's all true ... but other countries didn't seem to have any major disruptions when they did this (including other developed, industralised countries). So I'm pretty sure the US could manage it, with its huge economic resources and can-do attitude towards things (in general!).

    16. Re:Still out of date by anegg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone who thinks that US dollar coins are a great idea can certainly aid in the effort to spread them around. The next time you want some $$, go into the bank (instead of hitting the ATM) and ask for dollar coins. Then spend them wherever you go. I know of what I speak; I've been getting about $125 worth of dollar coins from the bank every month for about 3 years. I use them everywhere. I give them to my kids for allowances and school lunch/milk money. I use them at toll plazas. I use them at convenience stores.

      Use a little personal initiative and support the things that you believe in, and you will find that all kinds of change (no pun intended) are possible.

    17. Re:Still out of date by bar-agent · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can't tip strippers with dollar coins.

      Yeah, that pesky thong is in the way of the coin slot.

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    18. Re:Still out of date by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are heavy, space intensive, and loud.

      Sounds like, um, sounds like....

      Oh never mind.

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    19. Re:Still out of date by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah! The way you can instantly see how much money you have without having to riffle through is so fucking annoying! Also those bloody blind bastards complaining that they can't use paper bills without relying on the cashier to provide correct change. Sons of bitches.

  3. Pointless. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea behind making it hard to reproduce federal reserve notes is to keep counterfeiters from robbing us by expanding the money supply, but the Fed does exactly that on a scale that no independent counterfeiter could even imagine.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Pointless. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realise that you are welcome to trade only with currency that you consider valid, and to only trade with those who have the same opinion as you, yes?

    2. Re:Pointless. by bodan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, no. In many situations you are required by law to accept whatever is legal tender in the country you’re in.

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    3. Re:Pointless. by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." -- US money.

      Note the word "debts", which has a very specific meaning. To quote wikipedia, "Debt is that which is owed" -- past tense. Current or future transactions are not debt.

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  4. Samples? by McGiraf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where can I get free samples of this new product?

  5. "thousands of lenses" by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Presumably to amplify the smoke and mirrors used by the Fed to make it appear the bills are actually worth anything.

    1. Re:"thousands of lenses" by Myopic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are "worth" the political might of the United States. By accepting the bills, you are betting on the future political power of the USA. Similarly, if you accept gold coins, you are betting on the future trade value of gold.

      Any currency -- any at all -- is nothing more than a communal expectation of continued value. It's fine for people to think that (say) gold will retain its value better than (say) the USA, but it's hogwash to claim that one value is "real" and the other is not.

  6. The Real Counterfitters are The Fed by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The real counterfitters that we citizens need to be worried about is the Fed and Congress inflating the value of our money away. If you haven't had your congressman's ear recently telling them to knock it off then now is a good time to do so.

    The Free Competition in Currency Act and Federal Reserve Transparency Act are good places to start. Talk to your congressman today and ask them to sober up.

    Peter

    1. Re:The Real Counterfitters are The Fed by JayWilmont · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gold's price has gone from over $600 in the 80's, to less than $300 in the 90's back up to over $600 now. How again would this remove inflation & deflation? (The US dollar inflated between those two periods, so if gold is a counterweigh, then gold prices should have increased to match.)

      What happens if a huge amount of gold reserves are found? Everyone's money deflates.

      You do also know that we have fewer recessions than we did while in the gold standard, right?

      And that there is nothing preventing you from accepting gold as payment? See e-gold.com & their payments system.

      If you are going to claim that a government agency is defrauding you, then there needs to be evidence: the inflation rate in the US has been less than 5% for almost all of the last decade, and much of that time it has been less than 2%. And you do know that inflationary bubbles aren't the only cause of asset bubbles or the only cause of recession?

      A random metal is no more/less intrinsically valuable than random pieces of specially printed paper or of little black pixels in the shape of numbers on my bank's website.

    2. Re:The Real Counterfitters are The Fed by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gold's price has gone from over $600 in the 80's, to less than $300 in the 90's back up to over $600 now. How again would this remove inflation & deflation? (The US dollar inflated between those two periods, so if gold is a counterweigh, then gold prices should have increased to match.)

      The Free Competition in Currency Act is not about returning to the gold standard. It is about putting some more competition into the currency market with the expected result that good currency will drive out the bad. By not allowing competing currencies people are forced to do business with dollars backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the US. (Which, ain't what it used to be) Ideally, the Dollar would be the good currency and be made better by the competition.

      What happens if a huge amount of gold reserves are found? Everyone's money deflates.

      True. But what are the odds of a 5,000,000 kilo gold asteroid falling into Lake Michigan or the sudden invention of a machine that cheaply transmutes aluminum into gold compared to the Fed cranking out another few trillion of paper money?

      You do also know that we have fewer recessions than we did while in the gold standard, right?

      Fewer per period of time or just fewer? We haven't been off the gold standard that long and we've had a few whoppers. But, once again, the Free Competition In Currency Act isn't about returning to a gold standard.

      And that there is nothing preventing you from accepting gold as payment? See e-gold.com & their payments system.

      Nothing except the Secret Service

      If you are going to claim that a government agency is defrauding you, then there needs to be evidence: the inflation rate in the US has been less than 5% for almost all of the last decade, and much of that time it has been less than 2%. And you do know that inflationary bubbles aren't the only cause of asset bubbles or the only cause of recession?

      Less than 5% inflation is HUGE. Over your lifetime it is crippling to anyone who saves money. Small percentages compounded over decades grow to large percentages very quickly.

      A random metal is no more/less intrinsically valuable than random pieces of specially printed paper or of little black pixels in the shape of numbers on my bank's website.

      Never said it was. Frankly, from an investing point of view I think gold is a terrible investment, little better than hiding a stack of dollars in a shoebox. However, the dollar could be made better. Which would benefit many of us.
      Peter

    3. Re:The Real Counterfitters are The Fed by bmajik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A random metal is no more/less intrinsically valuable than random pieces of specially printed paper or of little black pixels in the shape of numbers on my bank's website.

      Of course. But a random bit of metal is much harder to create out of thin air, and thus it is much better insulated against the problem of currency inflation.

      Currency inflation is the problem. It is what makes the USD and indeed the US economy a bit of a prisoners dilemma. If you attempt to store your wealth in US dollars, you will find that over time, the value of that wealth approaches zero. This is due entirely to the inflation of the monetary base. This inflation is something which you do not control, and which legally you cannot opt-out of.

      So the US economy requires that everyone who wants to merely keep their head "above water" finds places to put their USD denominated wealth such that it pays interest at at least the natural rate of inflation. But of course, putting your money into a fractional reserve bank may pay interest, but it also inflates the money supply. So you don't really win there.

      Refusing to "play the game" means you lose, and "playing the game" from a weakened position [i.e. without the collusion of th government in maintaining a monopoly, or avoiding fraud prosecution, etc] means that you will also usually lose.

      So due to the tremendous ease with which new dollars are created, and the legal tender laws which make it illegal for you to REFUSE to participate in this game, you and most people will continue to lose, as they are continually worked literally _to death_ to just keep their head above water, wealth-wise.

      Of course, rows in some database are even easier to inflate than paper bills. And infact, much of the actual growth of the supply of dollars is just that: "electronic" dollars.

      Having a specie based money and a strong discouragement towards paper instruments lets you avoid the insiduous destruction of inflation. And private actors _could_ do that now, but they'd be outside of the protections of government and society. Indeed, if they did it "too much", they'd become the prey of government agencies who don't fancy having their power and authority challenged.

      There's nothing special about Gold. It's just that, for a number of very practical reasons, precious metals are a very good choice for a curency. Assaying precious metals is more uniform, than say, assaying cows. And cutting and recombining different fractions of whole cows is much messier, and considerably damages the value of your cow. Inert metals can be melted and cut and recombined and reminted essentially indefinitely.

      When it becomes possible to cheaply inflate the supply of Gold, gold will become a very poor store of wealth and medium of exchange. But until then, when individuals are allowed to freely choose what they'd like to use as a store of wealth and a medium of exchange, Gold and Silver invariably are what they choose. THe reasons have little to do with any widely-held value assessment of gold, and instead have much to do with the practical utility of precious metals, for the reasons I discuss above.

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    4. Re:The Real Counterfitters are The Fed by JayWilmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it isn't about using a gold standard, why does the article keep giving examples of people using competing currencies that are *backed by gold*?

      How likely is it that the gold supply will not be stable in the future for any reason? Speculators have been able to corner the silver market - its possible for this to happen gold too.

      The liberty dollar is one example of a currency pegged to the US Dollar. E-gold.com, in-game virtual currency, Vedic City, Iowa's Raam, and the Birkshire's BirkShares are all legal and have been around for years.

      What is 5% huge relative to? My house is huge compared to an ant, and tiny when compared to a skyscraper. The question is, what are interest rates relative to other countries? According to this, the US is doing rather well: http://www.billshrink.com/blog/7050/the-highest-global-inflation-rates/

  7. Counterfeiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny how the process of counterfeiting -- injecting paper money into the economy with nothing of actual value to back it up -- is exactly the same as what government does to cause inflation. The result? The criminal (er, government) holds more money, at the expense of everybody else whose dollars are now worth less.

    Of course, when you're at the top of the pyramid, your actions are sacred rather than criminal.

  8. But... but... by codeButcher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they also Green? (Or will I be inhaling toxic combustion products when I use them to light up my Cuban cigars?)

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    1. Re:But... but... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That should be the least of your concerns. I'd be more worried about what all those lenses will do when you wipe your ass with the bills.

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  9. A disappearing Liberty Bell... by HopefulIntern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that mimics the virtue it symbolises.

  10. Re:I don't get it... by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The security feature is that they cost more to make than their face value.

  11. All US bills still same size, color by stomv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's really no excuse for this. The bills should have different color and size to help the visually impaired. There's no good reason not to. Sure, don't change the $1 due to bill readers. I suppose there are $5/$10/$20 readers, though usually at the post office (and hence easy to change from the government's perspective). But really -- why not mix up the $50 and $100 so that they're easier for those with disabilities to use. It'd at least be a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:All US bills still same size, color by hraefn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I sympathize with your argument, I really do. Different sized bills would also make counterfeiting more difficult.

      However you forget that every bank branch in the country has at least one money counter; how many are there? As an example, Bank of America lists upwards of 6000 branches.

      There are something like 400,000 ATMs in the United States as well, how many of those would need modified?

    2. Re:All US bills still same size, color by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many other countries have different sized notes, so I wonder if it would really even be hard or relatively expensive to modify them? The technology is already out there and I'd imagine companies that produce US money counting machines probably also produce money counting machines internationally such that the work could probably be done with existing suppliers.

      That's not to say it wouldn't cost more than your average Joe will earn in their entire life time of course, but I doubt the cost would be prohibitively expensive. It comes down the modifications required I suppose- it may be that the machines were built in such a way that there isn't room in the design for modification and they'd have to be completely replaced I guess and certainly at that point it could become an issue!

    3. Re:All US bills still same size, color by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I could see this argument 20 years ago. But does it really matter anymore since CCs have become so ubiquitous? I hardly EVER use paper money anymore.

      Funny, I just switched to a budget where I do the exact opposite. Fixed cash pools are, hands down, the best way to control discretionary spending. Many would be very wise to put away the plastic and go back to an all-cash budget.

      Meanwhile, if I were visually impaired, assuming US currency wasn't so retarded, I'd feel a lot more comfortable paying with physical bills rather than trusting a cashier not to defraud me by, say, double-swiping my card.

  12. Re:Wot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Eh, doesn't really matter since nobody carries hundreds.

    What? I have paid with an 500 euros ($667) on an movie theater. They sure took it, but the teens besides us looked at us with a weird smile.

    Just because you don't carry doesn't mean nobody does.

  13. Re:I don't get it... by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quarters don't, but the profit margin is still fairly slim. Only nickels and pennies actually cost more to make than they are worth.

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  14. Re:I don't get it... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably not. In quantities large enough to be worth the risk of Hard Federal Time(tm) coins are heavy and bulky. Plus, fabricating metal objects on any substantial scale is generally more of a pain in the ass, and is rather more visible, than printing paper.

    My(admittedly layman's) understanding, is that hundreds, to the degree they are counterfeited at all, are mostly the domain of Real Serious Actors(North Korea always seems to be on the list of suspects). Most domestic and/or fairly small-time operators are banging out twenties or smaller; because those are much easier to disseminate without attracting suspicion(counterfeit currency is worse than useless if you can't find a good way to spend it, or sell it to someobody who can, since merely producing or knowingly possessing is illegal; but it is only valuable if spent). Even if they are 100% authentic, most places will give you a seriously suspicious look if you show up with a brick of hundreds. No bored retail drone is even going to bother with a second glance if you pay your tab in a busy, dimly-lit bar with a reasonably plausible twenty or two.

  15. Re:Wot? by Macrat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eh, doesn't really matter since nobody carries hundreds.

    Move out of your parent's basement and get a job.

  16. Re:Wot? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eh, doesn't really matter since nobody carries hundreds. They're large enough that most places won't take them anyways.

    My drug dealer takes them. He won't take change, though.

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  17. Re:time for a change by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll make me some money the old fashion way.

    I always thought counterfeiting was the only crime that made any sense. Nobody gets hurt, there's no violence involved. You just make it and spend it.

    That's probably why the G takes it so seriously. When they catch counterfeiters, they put them under the prison.

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  18. Update patch? by T+Murphy · · Score: 2

    Anyone know if they've released an update patch yet? I wish they would've warned me before my $100 went obsolete.

    (My school subsidizes the Fundamentals of Engineering exam, which was last weekend, otherwise no I wouldn't have a $100 on me).

  19. Plastic money... by nanoakron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    UK resident here. I personally love it when new technology is introduced into banknotes, but those plastic ones the Australians have had for ages are just plain cool.

    The Indonesian plastic Rp100,000 note is also pretty damned cool.

    Wish we had 'em.

  20. Re:time for a change by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll make me some money the old fashion way.

    Ways to spot the bills printed by AC in his Mom's basement:

    1. One Hundred Dollars reads One Hunnert Dollars
    B. The United States of America reads The Untied State of America
    Third. The phrase "Haulin' Ass and Gettin' Paid" does not actually appear on legitimate US currency.

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  21. Re:Wot? by flosofl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eh, doesn't really matter since nobody carries hundreds. They're large enough that most places won't take them anyways.

    You're joking right? While not pocket change, it's also not a terribly large amount of money either. I guess it depends on location, but in my neck of the woods it's not uncommon at all. I have never come across a place that refused a hundred dollar bill (or fifties).

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  22. Re:I can already see them working at it by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, I don't understand how paper money still exists.

    So you do not have to have your own credit card swiping machine and an account with a processor to sell something on craigslist.

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  23. Re:I don't get it... by KlaymenDK · · Score: 2, Informative

    No bored retail drone is even going to bother with a second glance if you pay your tab in a busy, dimly-lit bar with a reasonably plausible twenty or two.

    A quick Google search would have shown you that it is in fact rather common for bored retail drones to panic over two dollar bills. :-p

  24. What's The Point? by suss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All older bills are valid until they wear out. In other words; this is a pointless exercise unless they set an expiry date for older bills.

    1. Re:What's The Point? by LordKronos · · Score: 4, Informative

      The idea is that the banks gradually remove them from circulation by sending them in to be destroyed and replaced with modern currency. It takes a while, but eventually the old bills become uncommon enough that their use becomes more suspect. For example, this is still valid us currency:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:One_US_dollar_1917.jpg

      but if someone tried to pay me with one, I think I'd be a bit suspicious. Especially if they tried using a whole bunch of them at once. Counterfeiters don't just spend a $20 here and a $20 there...they are in it big time and have loads of bills they need to unload.

  25. This is aimed at non-US countries by vinn01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most US $100 notes are circulated outside of the US. I don't know the percentage, but it's very high. Aside from legal users, there is a lot of people with large caches of $100 notes that our government doesn't like.

    In non-US countries the the phrase "legal tender for all debts public and private" carries no weight. They can be picky about what notes they accept. Every time that new US notes are issued, people with large hoards of US cash find that their old notes are no longer accepted and they have to scramble to get new notes. They get noticed.

  26. Re:Need to eliminate the Dollar note, and Cent coi by Darth+Sdlavrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Damn slashdot swallowed my cent characters. Hey slashdot, it's 2010, can't we join the 21st century and allow ISO8859-1 characters?

    A dollar today has the buying power of 6 cents in 1940. But don't take my word for it, here's one of many inflation calculators http://www.coinnews.net/tools/cpi-inflation-calculator/ [coinnews.net]

    Can you imagine your grandparents carrying a wallet stuffed with 5 cent notes? Or a pocket full of .06 coins?

    Time to get rid of them. Time to stop wasting 100s of millions of dollars every year printing and minting them.

  27. Re:Replace all the bills with coins. by Tsaot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Long term it'll save lost of money.

    Yeah, that's what happens to all my coinage too.

  28. Re:Wot? by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That weird smile was more likely a knowing "guess who's gettin' mugged later" look.

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  29. Re:I don't get it... by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They get the paper by bleaching $1s.

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  30. Re:Wot? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe you don't carry hundreds... But I do as well as most people I know.

    I don't have any problem spending them. In fact I have yet to find a place that will not accept a hundred as payment. Unless I'm being a prick and buying a pack of gum and paying with it.

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  31. Re:Wot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Move out of your parent's basement and get a job.

    I have more than one parent, you insensitive clod!

  32. Re:Wot? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Trivia question: can you guess which bill is carried the most?

    Wrong, it's actually the $100 bill. Because everyone likes to look like a pimp/hi-roller/badass.

  33. Re:time for a change by inviolet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always thought counterfeiting was the only crime that made any sense. Nobody gets hurt, there's no violence involved. You just make it and spend it.

    That's probably why the G takes it so seriously. When they catch counterfeiters, they put them under the prison.

    Report to Econ 101 please.

    The damage from counterfeiting is inflation. Therefore, counterfeiting is a crime whose damage is divided among all individuals who are holding cash, or who are holding dollar-denominated assets at a fixed interest rate.

    That the damage to each victim is very small is a secondary issue that perhaps could be considered at sentencing time.

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  34. Re:I don't get it... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even if they are 100% authentic, most places will give you a seriously suspicious look if you show up with a brick of hundreds.

    Until they get to know you.

    I am a creature of routine. Except for the exceptions, of course, I tend to go to the same places and deal with the same people. The Chinese buffet at which I eat lunch expects me to pay my $8.40 tab with a $100 bill. The Walmart where I drop in to pay my Discover credit card expects me to pull out a $2K, bank-sleeved pile of hundreds, plus a few more that I fish out of my pocket.

    Big exception: the dancers at the strip club. I love dropping $2 bills on the stage. They pick 'em up and look at 'em funny, sometimes for a long time.

    I always carry $2 bills. I call 'em my "stripper-confusers".

    Note: In my experience, Starbucks clerks will be nearly as perplexed nearly as often.

  35. Re:Wot? by keefus_a · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was talking to an attorney who was trying to explain to me that "dopers" love hot tubs. And said he could get me a good deal on a hot tub or a tanning bed. Anyway, he was representing the guy on an intent to sell charge for marijuana. He said, "I charged him $2500 and he paid me in cash with 20 dollar bills. You think he was guilty?"

  36. Re:Wot? by Convector · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's usually places like parking garages and gas stations that don't want to take them. But fifties seem to be more commonly accepted these days. Even the automated pay stations at the BWI parking garage will take fifties.

  37. Re:Wot? by bonkeydcow · · Score: 2, Funny

    I actually find the $100 denomination to be too small. If you deal in cash, carrying around a relatively small amount of money, just a few thousand, is prohibitive. Try stuffing $3000 in your wallet.

  38. Re:I don't get it... by stonewallred · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nah, you take 5s and 10s, bleach them, then print 20s on the bleached bills. In the US the way that most places check currency is to mark it with a "magic" pen. If the mark is black it is a good bill. And since the "magic" pen just detects the fact it is genuine money, not the denomination, you can pass 20s all day at convenience stores and grocery stores.Hell, you can pass them in banks if yo mix them with real 20s in a smallish stack (too small for machine counting) They feel just like the rest and look like them unless closely inspected.

  39. Re:time for a change by mitgib · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The damage from counterfeiting is inflation. Therefore, counterfeiting is a crime whose damage is divided among all individuals who are holding cash, or who are holding dollar-denominated assets at a fixed interest rate.

    That the damage to each victim is very small is a secondary issue that perhaps could be considered at sentencing time.

    Which is why HR1206 and S604 are essential beginnings to end the reign of the largest counterfeiter and thief of American wealth, The Federal Reserve.

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  40. Re:time for a change by dwiget001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    || So, are you saying that Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke should be arrested? ||

    He might not be saying so directly. However, Henry and Ben being arrested would be a good start, I think.

  41. Re:time for a change by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody gets hurt, there's no violence involved.

    Counterfeiting reduces the trust people have in the money.

    Counterfeiting? I thought it was government.

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  42. Re:time for a change by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The damage from counterfeiting is inflation.

    Inflation—more generally, any increase in the supply of any good leading to its devaluation—is not damage. Everyone has a right to their dollars, but, as with any good, no one has a right to receive any specific price for those dollars in the marketplace.

    The problem is that people, with the strong encouragement of governments, insist on treating as a stable store of value objects which have essentially no direct use valued in proportional to the price paid for them, not even as raw material, and which thus only command a nonzero price due to the artificial scarcity granted them via enforcement of anti-counterfeiting laws and restraint on the part of the Treasury (as limited as that may be...).

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  43. Notes? by skywire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A one-hundred dollar 'note' that promises to give you another one-hundred dollar 'note' in exchange is no note. It is a self-referential monstrosity. The wording "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" that appears on it is an insider joke at the expense of the schmucks who accept them.

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  44. Re:I don't get it... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Funny

    OTOH plenty of English shops simply don't accept Scottish notes, on the basis that most employees couldn't tell the difference between a real one and a piece of paper with "£6.73" scrawled on it in yellow crayon.

  45. The Federal Reserve is NOT publicly owned by nido · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are going to claim that a government agency is defrauding you,

    The "Federal" Reserve is NOT a government agency: it's a public-private partnership. The Senate confirms the board of govenors. Member banks own the Federal Reserve's stock, and earn 6% per year return. It wasn't until the 1960's that excess profits were turned over to the Department of the Treasury.

    For the government, the difference between borrowing credit created with accounting entries from a private bank and borrowing the same sort of credit from the Federal Reserve is that borrowing from the Fed is nearly interest-free. That is true today, but it has not always been true. Congressman Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, wrote in a 1964 treatise called A Primer on Money:

    “The Federal Reserve Banks create money out of thin air to buy Government Bonds from the U.S. Treasury . . . [creating] out of nothing a . . . debt which the American people are obliged to pay with interest.”

    Patman was outraged at the inequity of this practice and boldly agitated for Congress to nationalize the privately-owned Federal Reserve, a move that would have allowed the government to issue the national money supply directly. Needless to say, however, this proposal met with strong opposition. Nationalization did not happen, but the Fed did have to compromise. According to Jerry Voorhis:

    “As a direct result of logical and relentless agitation by members of Congress, led by Congressman Wright Patman as well as by other competent monetary experts, the Federal Reserve began to pay to the U.S. Treasury a considerable part of its earnings from interest on government securities. This was done without public notice and few people, even today, know that it is being done. It was done, quite obviously, as acknowledgment that the Federal Reserve Banks were acting on the one hand as a national bank of issue, creating the nation’s money, but on the other hand charging the nation interest on its own credit – which no true national bank of issue could conceivably, or with any show of justice, dare to do.”

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