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Russian Hacker Selling 1.5M Facebook Accounts

Sir Codelot writes "A hacker who calls himself Kirllos has obtained and is now offering to sell 1.5 million Facebook IDs at astonishingly low prices — $25 per 1,000 IDs for users with fewer than 10 friends and $45 per 1,000 IDs for users with more than 10 friends. Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users. Quoting: 'VeriSign director of cyber intelligence Rick Howard told the New York Times that it appeared close to 700,000 had already been sold. Kirllos would have earned at least $25,000 from the scam. Howard told the newspaper that it was not apparent whether the accounts and passwords were legitimate, but a Russian underground hacking magazine reported it had tested some of Kirllos' previous samples and managed to get into people's accounts.'"

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  1. Translation by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users.

    Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

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    1. Re:Translation by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

      that's if I could get in... FB is currently down for me...

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    2. Re:Translation by Bergs007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords. It appears that what they are trying to do is use Facebook login credentials to go and see if there are any associated bank accounts with the same login information.

    3. Re:Translation by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords.

      Actually... what this means is that you shouldn't use the same password for more than one site. You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

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    4. Re:Translation by init100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords.

      Do any banks actually use ordinary password authentication? My bank has provided me with a Digipass, a small device with a numeric keypad, where I enter my PIN, select an authentication mode, input a challenge (a couple of randomly generated bank-provided numbers) and when confirming transfer orders, an amount. The device then displays a string of digits, which I enter into the bank login page. Using ordinary passwords seem pretty insecure in comparison.

    5. Re:Translation by human+spam+filter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Being from Europe I was pretty surprised when I came to the US and learned that virtually all* banks use ordinary passwords for online banking.. *the ones I know of: Citi, Bank of America, US Bank

    6. Re:Translation by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
      1. Write script to make a million face facebook accounts, friend each other at random
      2. Sell fake accounts.
    7. Re:Translation by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Honestly, E*Trade is pretty much the only one I can think of off the top of my head that uses something like that. Pretty much every bank in the country just uses simple passwords with verification questions. And an astonishing number don't bother to make their home page load via SSl.

      The main reason being that they aren't generally held accountable for breaches that may occur due to their own lax security measures. In relative recent history it was still relatively common for ID thieves to be able to get lots of material dumpster diving. As well as for companies like TD Ameritrade to fail to notice that they'd been haxxored.

      Mostly it's a side effect of the conservative's personal responsibility fetish. Basically make everything the fault of the victim even if it's clearly not their fault.

    8. Re:Translation by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Basically make everything the fault of the victim even if it's clearly not their fault.

      And charge a fee. Remember, in the financial industry, you're criminally stupid if you don't make money off the mistakes of those around you. That's American capitalism for you.

    9. Re:Translation by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Funny

      As if you needed a password to get the data of a Facebook account...
      Dude, just ask Zuckerberg nicely. You’re by far not the first one he sold account data out to.

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    10. Re:Translation by capo_dei_capi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some New Zealand guy found his account on a list that was published earlier by the hacker, sure he may be complicit in the fraud, but then that wouldn't explain why the Russian hacker magazine didn't notice anything special about those accounts, such as a lack of messages. Also I would assume that FB has some mechanisms in place for preventing one IP to be used for signing up several hundred times, so he would have to use stuff like a bot net, and a captcha breaker anyway. So creating 1.5M fake accounts wouldn't turn out much easier than just phishing, brute-forcing, or whatever.

    11. Re:Translation by atisss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which has been already broken in OCR farms

    12. Re:Translation by tixxit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh. I maintain separate passwords for my bank, paypal, and a select few other sites. All others gets a default password. If someone hacks my Slashdot account, I'll create a new one. Not a huge deal. Really, the ideal is just for everyone to move to OpenID.

    13. Re:Translation by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users.

      Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

      If Facebook was concerned about the safety of their users, why not just go UPDATE users SET must_reset_password = 1; Throw a reCaptcha onto the reset page, too, so the "hacker" can't automate that process.

      Of course there's a fatal flaw in my plan. "If Facebook was concerned about the safety of their users..."

    14. Re:Translation by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually... what this means is that you shouldn't use the same password for more than one site. You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

      Suggestions?

      Password Safe.

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    15. Re:Translation by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're too lazy to actually come up with unique passwords for each site and you happen to have OpenSSL installed (who doesn't?), you can automatically figure out all your passwords only having to remember one.

      Come up with a base password, for the sake of argument let's say ABCDEF. For each site, append the name of the site to your base password. E.g., for Slashdot, it's ABCDEFslashdot. "echo ABCDEFslashdot | openssl sha1" yields your password of 040b6c2fb4d5858ad21810deb8e9ee2eb804e2a7. From that password it is intractable to determine what your base password was and hence what your other passwords are.

      Some sites require special characters or, even worse, have maximum password lengths (which would suggest they're storing your password in plaintext, yikes). Fuck those sites.

    16. Re:Translation by mirix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll do you one better, a bank I had an account with wouldn't accept passwords with ~!@#$%^&*()_+/\?|`, etc, in them. Only ([a-zA-Z0-9]*) was allowed!

      In the 21st century. Pretty fucking impressive.

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    17. Re:Translation by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude! Five digit ID. I am not losing my slashdot account!

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  2. I'll take them by kyrio · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can increase the size of my friend network and be the biggest star on the net!

  3. That's my chance... by celibate+for+life · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... to become a new man.

  4. NOOO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    What is going to happen to my beautiful farm :(

  5. Great PoE by BountyX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm suprised they are not worth more since they represent a great point of entry for social attacks. Think Personalized spam (i.e. "Hey John, I think Laura wanted you to buy this for the concert you are attending next week"), targeted dictionaries, localized phising (i.e. location data deploys phising to compromised machines near you). Once you break a single friend in the "network" you gain additional information to everyone in that scope, so the return on entry is very promosing. An attacker can begin profiling ideal targets in the guise of friends. Ah, so many possibilties. Such a gold mine.

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    1. Re:Great PoE by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The wonderful thing about his product though, is that he can keep selling it even after he has sold it.

      He doesn't have 1.5 million accounts to sell once, he has 1.5 million accounts to sell over and over and over. He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times. Depending on if they catch him or not, and how effective they are at getting people to change their passwords (the only way to make the accounts worthless), this guy could make half a million dollars or more pretty easily.

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    2. Re:Great PoE by phillips321 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The wonderful thing about his product though, is that he can keep selling it even after he has sold it.

      He doesn't have 1.5 million accounts to sell once, he has 1.5 million accounts to sell over and over and over. He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times. Depending on if they catch him or not, and how effective they are at getting people to change their passwords (the only way to make the accounts worthless), this guy could make half a million dollars or more pretty easily.

      Not if I'm the first to buy them and change the passwords on the accounts....

    3. Re:Great PoE by poena.dare · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other news, FB has slashed prices on IDs to their spamverstisers!

    4. Re:Great PoE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but that would make the accounts worthless pretty quickly. The "value" of the account is that both the buyer and the actual account owner know the password. So it looks like a completely legitimate thing when the buyer (pretending to be the actual account owner) sends messages to the account owners "friends" asking them to go to certain sites, run certain "cool" programs, etc. The value goes down pretty quickly if the original owner is locked out by a password change and tells all their "friends" that they can't get in to Facebook anymore and had to make a new account. It makes any messages coming from that old account pretty suspicious even to the average idiot user.

    5. Re:Great PoE by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny

      He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times.

      Are you impugning the dignity of this entreprenuer? A man's word is his bond, and the most valuable asset he possesses. I'd be surprised if he isn't contacting legal counsel to initiate legal action against you for defamation of character as we speak!

  6. Koobface by fineous+fingers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm, maybe 1 out of every 300 Facebook users' computers is infected with Koobface......
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20002112-83.html

  7. Play with fire by Becausegodhasmademe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the Facebook statistics page the average account has 130 friends. If 1 in 300 accounts are compromised and you have circa 130 friends then the odds are quite high that the personal data you have "only available to friends" is going to become available to some fairly unfriendly people shortly.

    Reminds me of the evertrue saying 'play with fire and you'll get burnt'. I have always been mindful of the threat FB poses to my privacy and have completely closed down my account several times, but keep giving in and going back due to peer pressure from family & friends. This time I'm killing it off for sure. No organization, be it governmental or corporate should have control over so much of an individuals personal data.

    1. Re:Play with fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those of you who don't know how to leave Facebook... http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account

    2. Re:Play with fire by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one forces you to fill in all the information. Just have a page with your name on it if friends and family want you to have one. Just leave blank all the other sections. Then you have no problems with your personal information.

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    3. Re:Play with fire by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one forces you to fill in all the information. Just have a page with your name on it if friends and family want you to have one. Just leave blank all the other sections. Then you have no problems with your personal information.

      Wrong! This is one of the biggest misconceptions people have. The true value isn't one's profile per se, but who one's "friends" are and the various interactions between them.

      Unless your friends are all strangers who know little about you, your personal information is likely more exposed on Facebook than you realize. Often I see instances of a parent, sibling, in-laws, significant other, etc post personal details on one's Facebook wall, gallery, etc that are often visible to others on one's friend list, and even often to friends of friends too.

      And that's not even getting into the issue of rogue friends, which can easily sneak in to gather information; among the value of stealing FB IDs ... it's not always about getting passwords, but rather collecting data for other uses, such as, spear-phishing / more targeted attacks - learning one's security questions they have setup on say a banking site.

      Ron

    4. Re:Play with fire by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uhmm, you keep going back and keep keying in real personal data?

      Your Geek Card should be revoked.

      I also have a FB account, with nothing in it. Well, nothing that is remotely true anyway.

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  8. FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and yet, time after time, FB users ignored the abuse and kept on using the service. I really have little sympathy for such blatant and above all, stubborn disrespect for one's own security. And for what? To have "virtual friends"? To "keep in touch"? Both friends, conversing and socializing are more fulfilling when done in some of the more traditional ways.

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    1. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by davepermen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what do you care about your security if all you do is post crap? i care about my security for personal things. but those don't happen on facebook, where community things happen. and i don't care about privacy, there, at all. why should i?

    2. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I really despise these "High and mighty" posts about how all FB users are irresponsible idiots. There are a number of great uses for Facebook, and many of us actually PREFER to be contacted via facebook by our friends, rather than the endless deluge of phone calls and text messages. If you're having a get-together, I'd much rather you invite me on FB than tell me in person, because chances are, I'm going to forget. And I don't really see the point of the privacy crap either. I only put information on a social site that I'm comfortable sharing socially. I don't get it.

    3. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Haeleth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both friends, conversing and socializing are more fulfilling when done in some of the more traditional ways.

      Like what? Email, so my messages can get lost in the sea of spam? Phoning, during the roughly 1 hour each day when both I and my overseas friends are awake and at home, and they're exhausted after a long day and I'm rushing to get off to work? Maybe I should just hop on a plane every weekend to meet people face to face -- I'm sure that would be a fulfilling use of my time and money!

      Sorry, but services like Facebook fill an important gap that nothing else really caters for. If you don't like it, think of something better, but don't go round bashing it just because you personally have never moved out of your home town or made any friends who lived more than a street away.

    4. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by rliden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a FB account. I have reestablished contact with old friends and very distant family members I didn't otherwise have contact with. The alternative to finding someone you have lost contact with (if your other close family and friends don't know where someone is or how to contact them) is by searching Google and hoping you find a reasonable match. Even then most sites that find a person for you want an idiotic amount of money and a buy in to their scam service to get the contact info. Then there isn't a guarantee that it is the right person or the contact info is still relevant.

      People do use FB for more than asking someone to fertilize their crops or signing some mob-mentality world solving petition. It's possible to use social networking in a responsible manner. Facebook does seem to have a blatant disregard for their users and it's possible that a better service will come along and people will move to it. Another point condescending pedants might be missing is the exposure of security and privacy risks can help to educate people who might not otherwise even know about them. That is, just because people aren't using social networking doesn't make them any more safe on the internet. There were plenty of online scams and security risks before social networking; at least now people can communicate the nature of them and educate users how to safeguard themselves. One of the first things I did after seeing that CBS news story is post it on FB so that people could change their FB and email password info.

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    5. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Ritchie70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. I've had a lot of fun catching up with high school friends I haven't seen or heard from in almost 25 years.

      Would I have ever gone and found these people via a more traditional mechanism? Of course not.

      Is it fun to chat with them, hear about who died, who had kids, and argue about politics? Yes.

      Could I live without it? Yes.

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  9. Re:Can someone please tell me... by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. collect facebook ids
    2. ???
    3. profit!

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  10. Re:It is simple. by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably because unlike in the US, Russia seems to turn a completely blind eye to cyber criminals. Granted we don't do such a good job ourselves, but we do look for them and prosecute them when found. It's rich that a country with a very serious problem with organized crime would even pretend like there's no justification for pointing a finger back at the lack of enforcement.

  11. Don't hate the players... by msimm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Don't hate the players hate the game dawg!

    Facebook users aren't security experts, they're family members, friends and loved ones. You remember those, right?

    Living in my IT bubble in San Diego it was easier for me to bag on Facebook and 'look down' on it's users but now that I'm unemployed and living temporarily with family I seen how useful it is for them to keep in touch with friends and relatives in a way that letters or email simply can't emulate.

    Besides, if we really thought Facebook was that bad instead of bitching about it we'd be the talent pool responsible for creating a better alternative (unless you believe that only venture-funded MBAs can take on such a technological challenge). For instance, I've never liked any of the popular/available dating sites, so what do you think I'm doing while I learn Mongodb in my free time?

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  12. Re:It is simple. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah, cyber crime, the offence of sending ones and zeros down a wire to produce forbidden tones.

    To specify, money in a bank is just an entry in a database. Someone fraudulently reduce some entry by $1000 and increase another by $1000? Roll back.

    Banks have a problem with the administrative burden? Luckily, mine is owned substantially by the state now, so shouldn't be much of a problem enforcing this.

  13. Re:Can someone please tell me... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...the use of owning 1000 Facebook IDs ? What is the idea ? Who would want it ? I may be dense but appart from spam senders I don't see the use of this.

    You can make them all your friend to give you more power in Mafia Wars...

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  14. i think he got me by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    facebook today told me: "your account was accessed from an unusual place and has been blocked." then i had to do all sorts of things to prove i'm human and it told me to create a new password. i created such a strong password that i have forgotten it. now will have to change it again.

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  15. Why does Facebook know your Facebook password? by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    Facebook shouldn't be storing your Facebook passsword, just an hash of it. That's how login systems have worked for thirty years. Doesn't anybody there have a clue about security?

  16. Re:Banks here in Finland uses one-time codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Finland, banks usually provide you with a list of ~50-100 one-time use codes, so it's basically impossible to figure out the next code unless you manage to find some pattern in the random digit generator that the banks use to generate those one-time codes. To me this seems even more secure than using those keypads that most other european countries seem to be using. The only way I can concieve this to be hacked is to figure out what someone's userid is (random generated string, i.e. basically a traditional password), and then intercept their snail mail when they get their fresh set of one-time codes.

  17. Maybe a bit harsh but... by friguron · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...probably some people "deserve" the trouble they attract when using computers. Using an easy login/password combination is something it's not my problem. Maybe illiterate people have this problem, but then "what did they expect" of computers and internet usage? They pretend it to be like turning on a bulb. It works, it doesn't work. I would sincerely propose something like "computer usage credentials certificate". Someone is ALWAYS pretending "using computers is something anyone can do" (ha!)

    No matter how easily I explain these risks to my acquaintances, they don't really understand the BIG trouble behind it, and they don't change passwords. When they tell me something like "my hotmail has a virus, please help me". I just ignore them, and/or tell them not to enter onto those silly webpages mean't to steal your login password. It's some kind of natural selection. (And Mr. Russian is, "righteously", just rubbing his hands).
    I'm starting to be fed of losing my time and my friends'. And the best part is they still are friends with me. (I wouldn't expect less)

    Besides, even people like me (for example), who do use "safe" passwords, are in this kind of risk, (lousy webpage programming, plain http login/password negotiation, etc...) but then, having a periodical password change schedule is something NOT SO painful. Besides if your web browser is nice enough (Opera for example), can deal with your passwords wonderfully.
    Only you have to keep ALL your passwods inside a encrypted .rar archive (to say something), IN CASE YOU DON'T REMEMBER THEM... Again "not a big pain" (at least for me).

    Paranoia with passwords, is something one can learn by conditioning (much like Pavlov's dog), and then you don't realize you're doing these (not so) "boring" routine tasks (like updating your local passwords file, etc...) On the long run, it's really worth its effort.

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  18. Re:Banks here in Finland uses one-time codes by YXdr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the only way I can conceive this to be hacked ...
    Always a dangerous statement - just because you can't think of an attack doesn't mean there isn't one.

    You are correct that no one is going to guess the next one-time password. Instead, they are going to attack your machine, and piggyback on your session after you have logged in. This is happening in the wild today, although it's mostly aimed at larger commercial accounts.

    Those keypads are more secure because they can be used to enter unique data for each transaction, like the amount of a transfer. Plus, they aren't connected to a network, so remote hacks are blocked. The keypad's generated code will definitively prove that the holder of the device entered the transaction data(*).

    Obligatory Schneier reading: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/hacking_two-fac.html

    (*) The most likely attack against devices like this: the key stored on the bank's server. But it's just a single target, so it is easier to harden.