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Russian Hacker Selling 1.5M Facebook Accounts

Sir Codelot writes "A hacker who calls himself Kirllos has obtained and is now offering to sell 1.5 million Facebook IDs at astonishingly low prices — $25 per 1,000 IDs for users with fewer than 10 friends and $45 per 1,000 IDs for users with more than 10 friends. Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users. Quoting: 'VeriSign director of cyber intelligence Rick Howard told the New York Times that it appeared close to 700,000 had already been sold. Kirllos would have earned at least $25,000 from the scam. Howard told the newspaper that it was not apparent whether the accounts and passwords were legitimate, but a Russian underground hacking magazine reported it had tested some of Kirllos' previous samples and managed to get into people's accounts.'"

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  1. Translation by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users.

    Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

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    1. Re:Translation by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

      that's if I could get in... FB is currently down for me...

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    2. Re:Translation by miggyb · · Score: 1

      It's working fine for me. It might be time to panic.

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    3. Re:Translation by Bergs007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords. It appears that what they are trying to do is use Facebook login credentials to go and see if there are any associated bank accounts with the same login information.

    4. Re:Translation by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords.

      Actually... what this means is that you shouldn't use the same password for more than one site. You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

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    5. Re:Translation by init100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually... what this means is that you should change your banking passwords.

      Do any banks actually use ordinary password authentication? My bank has provided me with a Digipass, a small device with a numeric keypad, where I enter my PIN, select an authentication mode, input a challenge (a couple of randomly generated bank-provided numbers) and when confirming transfer orders, an amount. The device then displays a string of digits, which I enter into the bank login page. Using ordinary passwords seem pretty insecure in comparison.

    6. Re:Translation by human+spam+filter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Being from Europe I was pretty surprised when I came to the US and learned that virtually all* banks use ordinary passwords for online banking.. *the ones I know of: Citi, Bank of America, US Bank

    7. Re:Translation by capo_dei_capi · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. According to TFA their plan is to send people links to malware hosting websites from "trusted" sources, and by means of malware get access to facebook users' bank accounts.

    8. Re:Translation by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
      1. Write script to make a million face facebook accounts, friend each other at random
      2. Sell fake accounts.
    9. Re:Translation by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Honestly, E*Trade is pretty much the only one I can think of off the top of my head that uses something like that. Pretty much every bank in the country just uses simple passwords with verification questions. And an astonishing number don't bother to make their home page load via SSl.

      The main reason being that they aren't generally held accountable for breaches that may occur due to their own lax security measures. In relative recent history it was still relatively common for ID thieves to be able to get lots of material dumpster diving. As well as for companies like TD Ameritrade to fail to notice that they'd been haxxored.

      Mostly it's a side effect of the conservative's personal responsibility fetish. Basically make everything the fault of the victim even if it's clearly not their fault.

    10. Re:Translation by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Basically make everything the fault of the victim even if it's clearly not their fault.

      And charge a fee. Remember, in the financial industry, you're criminally stupid if you don't make money off the mistakes of those around you. That's American capitalism for you.

    11. Re:Translation by c_sd_m · · Score: 1

      I know of a large North American bank that not only uses password auth, it limits pwds to 6 characters.

    12. Re:Translation by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Funny

      As if you needed a password to get the data of a Facebook account...
      Dude, just ask Zuckerberg nicely. You’re by far not the first one he sold account data out to.

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    13. Re:Translation by capo_dei_capi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some New Zealand guy found his account on a list that was published earlier by the hacker, sure he may be complicit in the fraud, but then that wouldn't explain why the Russian hacker magazine didn't notice anything special about those accounts, such as a lack of messages. Also I would assume that FB has some mechanisms in place for preventing one IP to be used for signing up several hundred times, so he would have to use stuff like a bot net, and a captcha breaker anyway. So creating 1.5M fake accounts wouldn't turn out much easier than just phishing, brute-forcing, or whatever.

    14. Re:Translation by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Yes. Although the homepage isn't encrypted, the login&password are posted to https://login.facebook.com/login.php (which then redirects to another unencrypted page).

    15. Re:Translation by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Only if they can break the reCaptcha shown when you register a new account.

    16. Re:Translation by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      There are banks that allow you to log in with the same username/password auth system that sites like facebook use? If so, you should probably expect it to have been hacked ages ago.

    17. Re:Translation by atisss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which has been already broken in OCR farms

    18. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hmm, I use 5 banks on a regular basis. Carrying around 5 devices with me so I can check my bank accounts seems awfully inconvenient.

    19. Re:Translation by dotgain · · Score: 1

      My bank (ASB, New Zealand) is right up with the 1990's, and uses eight letters. They ignore case (but require at least two capitals in new passwords) to make up for it.

    20. Re:Translation by tixxit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh. I maintain separate passwords for my bank, paypal, and a select few other sites. All others gets a default password. If someone hacks my Slashdot account, I'll create a new one. Not a huge deal. Really, the ideal is just for everyone to move to OpenID.

    21. Re:Translation by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I use 5 banks on a regular basis. Carrying around 5 devices with me so I can check my bank accounts seems awfully inconvenient.

      You already carry five of the six devices you'd need: five bank cards. The sixth device is a card reader.

      Neither of the banks I use require me to use the card reader to log in, but both require it to actually do anything important (send money, etc).

      I have two card readers (both banks sent me one) so I keep one at home and one at work.

    22. Re:Translation by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Looking at the numbers, Kirllos has stolen the IDs of one out of every 300 Facebook users.

      Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

      If Facebook was concerned about the safety of their users, why not just go UPDATE users SET must_reset_password = 1; Throw a reCaptcha onto the reset page, too, so the "hacker" can't automate that process.

      Of course there's a fatal flaw in my plan. "If Facebook was concerned about the safety of their users..."

    23. Re:Translation by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually... what this means is that you shouldn't use the same password for more than one site. You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

      Suggestions?

      Password Safe.

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    24. Re:Translation by turbotroll · · Score: 1

      You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

      Suggestions?

      KeePass Password Safe works like a charm, even on multiple platforms.

    25. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It might be time to give yourself a bitch-slap for using the service in the first place.

      Using facebook is like getting a mug-shot for prison. You're all nicely recorded and on display.

    26. Re:Translation by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're too lazy to actually come up with unique passwords for each site and you happen to have OpenSSL installed (who doesn't?), you can automatically figure out all your passwords only having to remember one.

      Come up with a base password, for the sake of argument let's say ABCDEF. For each site, append the name of the site to your base password. E.g., for Slashdot, it's ABCDEFslashdot. "echo ABCDEFslashdot | openssl sha1" yields your password of 040b6c2fb4d5858ad21810deb8e9ee2eb804e2a7. From that password it is intractable to determine what your base password was and hence what your other passwords are.

      Some sites require special characters or, even worse, have maximum password lengths (which would suggest they're storing your password in plaintext, yikes). Fuck those sites.

    27. Re:Translation by Bodrius · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points I would tag this as insightful.

      I keep waiting for the inevitable Onion article for "Facebook CEO complains about unfair price competition from Russian hackers", except I wouldn't be too surprised to see it instead on the WSJ.

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    28. Re:Translation by kerrbear · · Score: 1

      >Translation: it might not be a bad time to change your password if you use Facebook.

      According to the article, the passwords are gleaned from malware installed on the user's machine. So even if you change your password, what is to prevent the same malware from sending the new password to this hacker guy and allowing him to resend the changed account info to his buyers?

    29. Re:Translation by greenskyx · · Score: 1

      http://keepass.info/ and it's a great sw package.

    30. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I lost you as soon as you said corporations had a "moral obligation". You must live in a fantasy world where Gigantor is ready to fight for right, against wrong. Gigantor.

    31. Re:Translation by mirix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll do you one better, a bank I had an account with wouldn't accept passwords with ~!@#$%^&*()_+/\?|`, etc, in them. Only ([a-zA-Z0-9]*) was allowed!

      In the 21st century. Pretty fucking impressive.

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    32. Re:Translation by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Westpac goes one step further, and requires between eight and twenty characters. Also case insensitive.

      They also strongly discourage the use of software like Keepass.

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    33. Re:Translation by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude! Five digit ID. I am not losing my slashdot account!

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    34. Re:Translation by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      So, I wonder....

      Am I safe? I have a six-character, alphanumeric password on facebook. But it's also my weakest password. I chose that one specifically because I don't trust FB, and didn't want to compromise my other passwords. Did they dictionary/brute force it, or did they get the passwds some other way?

      (Not that I have any personal info stored on FB anyway...)

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    35. Re:Translation by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      vim -x

      Yup. Just don't keep the file open too long - Vim's swap files are not encrypted.

      CJ

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    36. Re:Translation by dotgain · · Score: 1

      I was being facetious: Case insensitive and up to 20 chars is a huge improvement on ASB

    37. Re:Translation by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      The American financial industry was modeled on European banking practices. And then adopted back again by Europe.

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    38. Re:Translation by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      I swear to god, I didn't see this before I posted this. Luckily, it's in a different discussion, so I probably missed the redundant mod by that much...

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    39. Re:Translation by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      No no, the trick is to have 1.5M users make one or two fake accounts, and work them enough with other fake accounts from all the sites, email, etc to make them look useful to the traders. Plus it can help to throw the Facebook spies off the trail for a bit. Use a proxy when you can..

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    40. Re:Translation by init100 · · Score: 1

      Corporations are under a legal and I would argue a moral obligation to optimize their owners return on investment.

      Sure, but that does not preclude the fact that (in my opinion at least) banks are also under the moral obligation to keep their customers' money safe from unauthorized access. Customers have deposited their money in the bank because they trust that the bank will give them back (with interest) when they want them.

      I don't see it as unreasonable that the government holds them to this moral responsibility, e.g. by declaring minimum security standards required. After all, the government decides who can be a bank and who can't.

    41. Re:Translation by Hellahulla · · Score: 1

      It's cross platform with the same format for the password file on all platforms. A nice feature if you use more than one system.

    42. Re:Translation by Hellahulla · · Score: 1

      My bank gives me my username and a short password, which I change somewhat often. Along with a nice little card with numbers on it that they ask for whenever I log in. They used to go sequentially, but now they choose a number at random. All in all I don't really like it that much, but it's better than a single password and name for everything.

    43. Re:Translation by GC · · Score: 1

      Ditto

    44. Re:Translation by hey · · Score: 1

      Slightly easier:

      echo ABCDEFslashdot | sha1sum

    45. Re:Translation by Caetel · · Score: 1

      My bank requires a 5 digit password to log into the account. Do I win? (There is a seperate password required for any transactions which has greater flexibility)

    46. Re:Translation by deadline · · Score: 1

      Right on, 5 digits and proud

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    47. Re:Translation by hacker · · Score: 1

      Yep, and I still have my 'hacker' username too! :)

    48. Re:Translation by hacker · · Score: 1

      Windows-only, yecch!

      Try KeePassX... much better, cross-platform, free, secure and has a great generator built right into it.

      http://www.keepassx.org/

    49. Re:Translation by impaledsunset · · Score: 1

      Inconvenience everyone, and ask them to change their password, because 0.33% of your users were to careless, ignorant or stupid to protect their passwords? No, thank you.

      What would you do if Slashdot ever did something like this?

    50. Re:Translation by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      Right behind you.

    51. Re:Translation by orient · · Score: 1

      BMO - Bank of Montreal only accepts 6 digits for the password. No letters, no punctuation, no password length > 6.

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    52. Re:Translation by Dragee · · Score: 1
      Ditto on not needing OpenSSL installed, but be careful with echo. On the systems I've used, echo by default includes a newline character, which also gets hashed, so you need to not include that if you want a 100% reproduce-able algorithm:

      echo -n salt.site.password |md5sum
      echo -n salt.site.password |sha1sum

      Also, I find the Hashr extension for firefox handy.

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    53. Re:Translation by gyboth · · Score: 1

      KeePassX is also nice and platform independent. I use it in combination with Dropbox, so the password file is always up to date on all of my machines.

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    54. Re:Translation by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Actually... what this means is that you shouldn't use the same password for more than one site. You should use an app that is encrypted and password protected to store all of your login info.

      So will my identity get stolen because I use the same username/password on slashdot and a few gaming sites?

      And personally I don't like having to type in a long password every time I start up firefox.

    55. Re:Translation by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      hacking was easy back when all slashdot ids were less than 6 digits, almost everyone just used god or sex as a password...

    56. Re:Translation by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      My first slashdot password was the same as my dialup account, a randomly capitalised word + number.

    57. Re:Translation by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      If only I could remember useful things.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/quotes?qt0448608/

  2. I'll take them by kyrio · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can increase the size of my friend network and be the biggest star on the net!

  3. That's my chance... by celibate+for+life · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... to become a new man.

  4. hope this was just phishing and not brust force... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    wow that sucks.... *changes FB password just incase*

  5. Immature nut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Facebook is so passe, move on.

    1. Re:Immature nut by aembleton · · Score: 1

      Move on to what? And, how do we know this 'hacker' hasn't generated these 1.5 million accounts to sell, rather than going through the trouble of hacking?

  6. NOOO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    What is going to happen to my beautiful farm :(

  7. Great PoE by BountyX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm suprised they are not worth more since they represent a great point of entry for social attacks. Think Personalized spam (i.e. "Hey John, I think Laura wanted you to buy this for the concert you are attending next week"), targeted dictionaries, localized phising (i.e. location data deploys phising to compromised machines near you). Once you break a single friend in the "network" you gain additional information to everyone in that scope, so the return on entry is very promosing. An attacker can begin profiling ideal targets in the guise of friends. Ah, so many possibilties. Such a gold mine.

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    1. Re:Great PoE by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The wonderful thing about his product though, is that he can keep selling it even after he has sold it.

      He doesn't have 1.5 million accounts to sell once, he has 1.5 million accounts to sell over and over and over. He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times. Depending on if they catch him or not, and how effective they are at getting people to change their passwords (the only way to make the accounts worthless), this guy could make half a million dollars or more pretty easily.

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    2. Re:Great PoE by phillips321 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The wonderful thing about his product though, is that he can keep selling it even after he has sold it.

      He doesn't have 1.5 million accounts to sell once, he has 1.5 million accounts to sell over and over and over. He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times. Depending on if they catch him or not, and how effective they are at getting people to change their passwords (the only way to make the accounts worthless), this guy could make half a million dollars or more pretty easily.

      Not if I'm the first to buy them and change the passwords on the accounts....

    3. Re:Great PoE by poena.dare · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other news, FB has slashed prices on IDs to their spamverstisers!

    4. Re:Great PoE by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the value of all the answers for to factor authentication as well. Lots of banking sites and stuff will after you enter your password/username pair correctly also ask you something like, what is your mothers maiden name, or What is your favorite kind of car, or what elementary school did you attend, etc etc. All things that someone with access to your facebook account might have a very good shot at knowing.

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    5. Re:Great PoE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but that would make the accounts worthless pretty quickly. The "value" of the account is that both the buyer and the actual account owner know the password. So it looks like a completely legitimate thing when the buyer (pretending to be the actual account owner) sends messages to the account owners "friends" asking them to go to certain sites, run certain "cool" programs, etc. The value goes down pretty quickly if the original owner is locked out by a password change and tells all their "friends" that they can't get in to Facebook anymore and had to make a new account. It makes any messages coming from that old account pretty suspicious even to the average idiot user.

    6. Re:Great PoE by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny

      He may only be able to get $50k for the lot, but he can sell them all a dozen times.

      Are you impugning the dignity of this entreprenuer? A man's word is his bond, and the most valuable asset he possesses. I'd be surprised if he isn't contacting legal counsel to initiate legal action against you for defamation of character as we speak!

    7. Re:Great PoE by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Right and decent banking sites don't use those for password recovery questions. They use them for an additional check each time you logon; they usually have you answer a number of questions when you setup your online access and challenge you with one in a semi-random fashion using a window of time as the seed so an attacker can't just try again in hopes of getting a question he can answer right away; he will have to wait an hour or something.

      They usually lock your account pretty quickly two or three tries for bad password or bad answers. To get it unlocked / recover your password you usually call customer service and they ask you for a number of things most attackers should not know like, the full account number, the last X transactions for the previous months statement, your SS number.

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    8. Re:Great PoE by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      > pretty suspicious even to the average idiot user.

      Go see your doctor, you appear to be suffering from a bout of hopeless optimism complicated with unwarranted faith in mankind.

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  8. Koobface by fineous+fingers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm, maybe 1 out of every 300 Facebook users' computers is infected with Koobface......
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20002112-83.html

  9. Play with fire by Becausegodhasmademe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the Facebook statistics page the average account has 130 friends. If 1 in 300 accounts are compromised and you have circa 130 friends then the odds are quite high that the personal data you have "only available to friends" is going to become available to some fairly unfriendly people shortly.

    Reminds me of the evertrue saying 'play with fire and you'll get burnt'. I have always been mindful of the threat FB poses to my privacy and have completely closed down my account several times, but keep giving in and going back due to peer pressure from family & friends. This time I'm killing it off for sure. No organization, be it governmental or corporate should have control over so much of an individuals personal data.

    1. Re:Play with fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those of you who don't know how to leave Facebook... http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account

    2. Re:Play with fire by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one forces you to fill in all the information. Just have a page with your name on it if friends and family want you to have one. Just leave blank all the other sections. Then you have no problems with your personal information.

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    3. Re:Play with fire by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      corporations are already on facebook. Look at the slashdot homepage sometime. And facebook does advertising, somewhat like google ads but less relevant (for now...)

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    4. Re:Play with fire by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Makes spear-phishing a cinch.

      You mention closing down your FB account permanently. If so, be sure you delete everything out of it, including unfriending everyone, all public / private messages, gallery pictures, etc. If you've recently closed your account, just log back in and reactivate it (may be occur automatically), delete everything, and then delete the account again. And to ensure your FB account remains deleted, do not try logging into it for a month (FB says wait two weeks, but don't trust that; wait the month).

      On a related note, I personally deactivated (different than deleting) my lightly-used FB account about a month ago. I deleted everything out, but only deactivated the account and selected, to paraphrase, "This is temporary, I will be back." reason. That way my basic profile should remain in their system as a placeholder for potential future use; preventing use of my email address and vanity name by others who register there.

      Ron

    5. Re:Play with fire by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one forces you to fill in all the information. Just have a page with your name on it if friends and family want you to have one. Just leave blank all the other sections. Then you have no problems with your personal information.

      Wrong! This is one of the biggest misconceptions people have. The true value isn't one's profile per se, but who one's "friends" are and the various interactions between them.

      Unless your friends are all strangers who know little about you, your personal information is likely more exposed on Facebook than you realize. Often I see instances of a parent, sibling, in-laws, significant other, etc post personal details on one's Facebook wall, gallery, etc that are often visible to others on one's friend list, and even often to friends of friends too.

      And that's not even getting into the issue of rogue friends, which can easily sneak in to gather information; among the value of stealing FB IDs ... it's not always about getting passwords, but rather collecting data for other uses, such as, spear-phishing / more targeted attacks - learning one's security questions they have setup on say a banking site.

      Ron

    6. Re:Play with fire by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Your friends aren't going to be putting where you live, where you work, your phone number, or any of that other crap on their page. And even if they are, you just tell them, don't put my personal information on there". If they don't respect your wish, de-friend them. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you simply cancel your whole account.

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    7. Re:Play with fire by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uhmm, you keep going back and keep keying in real personal data?

      Your Geek Card should be revoked.

      I also have a FB account, with nothing in it. Well, nothing that is remotely true anyway.

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    8. Re:Play with fire by GIL_Dude · · Score: 1

      I removed my personal information by just changing it to random cities, phone number of a business in that random city (address too). I was one of those who had some level of "real" info there in the past that was locked down to be visible by certain users only. However, with all the "privacy" changes (read turning off privacy) that FB has been making lately I went and changed the info to false info. I'd imagine some cache somewhere will still have the real stuff for awhile, but that it will become harder and harder over time for people to access it. The profile is still "locked" so that only certain people can see it and "friends" can't share it - it will be interesting to see when FB "leaks" that fake info.

    9. Re:Play with fire by daveime · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'M SORRY ANONYMOUS COWARD, I CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT.

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Nope, I'm just trying to emulate what was done on Tron and later revamped on Southpark. Stop being so fucking judgmental, you don't know me !

    10. Re:Play with fire by ChienAndalu · · Score: 1

      This time I'm killing it off for sure.

      No you won't.

    11. Re:Play with fire by tpthompson · · Score: 1

      Permanently delete FB account (inside)

      Given the 2010 track record of FB this sends the 'correct message'...the captcha during delete is something else (ymmv)...takes 14 days inactive before they comply with request.

      Log-in, then paste the direct link: http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account
      which will auto rewrite to https for two stage authentication post actions

      Explain page> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

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    12. Re:Play with fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's a pretty ugly and annoying baby, though.

    13. Re:Play with fire by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Maybe not outright but little details add up. Keeping track of said details could be a full time job with some FB addicts.

      Good luck explaining why you defriended someone though.

    14. Re:Play with fire by Weirsbaski · · Score: 1

      According to the Facebook statistics page the average account has 130 friends. If 1 in 300 accounts are compromised and you have circa 130 friends then the odds are quite high that the personal data you have "only available to friends" is going to become available to some fairly unfriendly people shortly.

      Of course, the way facebook itself is headed odds are high that "only available to friends" data is already going to be available to everybody shortly. At least that's what facebook's retroactive TOS changes say.

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    15. Re:Play with fire by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm just trying to emulate what was done on Tron and later revamped on Southpark.

      "I'm sorry [NAME], I can't let you do that." is a reference to HAL 9000 of 2001: A Space Odyssey fame.

      Not get off my lawn!

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    16. Re:Play with fire by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      According to the Facebook statistics page the average account has 130 friends. If 1 in 300 accounts are compromised and you have circa 130 friends then the odds are quite high that the personal data you have "only available to friends" is going to become available to some fairly unfriendly people shortly.

      Does anyone out there actually give complete and correct information to Facebook? I work with university students, and it's scary how much "private" information they put out there, just because there's a box for it on a FB web form. I'm an 83-year-old grandmother, at least as far as FB's data collection goes. A bunch of other [optional] stuff was left blank.

      Although it is interesting that that 83-year-old went to the same high school and university that I did....

    17. Re:Play with fire by loudheart · · Score: 1

      By the time you de-friend someone, your personal information has already been posted, stored in a FB database, indexed by permitted search engines, and probably crawled by backend developers. Basically, your information has been shared. It's too late to do a de-friend. I agree with what Ron Bennett said. The way I see it is that it is not what you posted about yourself that affected your online privacy, but rather what others reveal about you that you lose your online privacy. For example, you went to an event gathering. You got your picture taken with a friend. You have a bogus FB profile. Your friend has your digit photo, posts on FB, and identifies your true identity. "This is my friend, Mr. John Smith from XYZ company, on April 25th in SF. His FB profile is ... " You get the point.

    18. Re:Play with fire by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      According to the Facebook statistics page the average account has 130 friends.

      Let me check...

      *checks FB account*

      Yup. Only got two friends, so I'm pretty safe.

      One is my mom, and the other is one of my closest friends. Yeah, me and RUlonely2Nite have gotten really close lately, though now after reading this article, I'm starting to get suspicious. I mean, how do I really know that my mom's FB page is legit?

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    19. Re:Play with fire by daveime · · Score: 1

      Facepalm ... I'll hand in my geek card in the morning.

      Not get off my lawn!

      Okay, I'll stay right here on your lawn.

    20. Re:Play with fire by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      First off, let me say that I try to avoid Facebook at all costs too because of privacy concerns.

      The true value isn't one's profile per se, but who one's "friends" are and the various interactions between them.

      The "true value" for whom? The true value for corporations trying to make money off of getting access to Facebook data comes from such stuff. But the average hacker trying to steal an identity can choose from so many users who put all the details of their life on Facebook -- why would most of them bother doing the aggregate analysis you mention when they have so much "low-hanging fruit" with more complete profiles? This seems like too much work.

      Often I see instances of a parent, sibling, in-laws, significant other, etc post personal details on one's Facebook wall, gallery, etc that are often visible to others on one's friend list, and even often to friends of friends too.

      So, make all your information invisible to friends of friends. (Be sure to check Facebook's privacy settings periodically, because they're always finding new ways to sneak in information sharing.) And vet all your friends. Why would you friend someone you don't know?

      And here's a newsflash -- if people are posting that personal information, they'll probably post it anyway, whether or not you have a Facebook account. If your Facebook account contains almost no information (as the GP was positing), how is your risk increased in this scenario? The personal info is still out there, except now you don't know about. If you do know about it, you can take it down or tell people to take it down.

      And that's not even getting into the issue of rogue friends, which can easily sneak in to gather information

      Yeah... again, vet your friends. Don't friend people you don't know. If you're more paranoid, don't friend people who you're not in contact with regularly. If you're only friends with people who you actually talk to or correspond with on a regular basis, you'll know that those accounts are legit.

      To some extent, I completely agree with your paranoia. On the other hand, at least if you're on Facebook (with a minimal account that contains no information other than your name), you can monitor what people are saying about you, pictures that are posted of you, etc. If you're not, and you have lots of friends who are, it could actually be more dangerous for you to not have an account and not be aware of the personal information that may be shared without your knowledge.

    21. Re:Play with fire by hviniciusg · · Score: 1

      ... I'm an 83-year-old grandmother, ...

      So that's what you need to do to get a 4 digit UID

  10. FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and yet, time after time, FB users ignored the abuse and kept on using the service. I really have little sympathy for such blatant and above all, stubborn disrespect for one's own security. And for what? To have "virtual friends"? To "keep in touch"? Both friends, conversing and socializing are more fulfilling when done in some of the more traditional ways.

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    1. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by davepermen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what do you care about your security if all you do is post crap? i care about my security for personal things. but those don't happen on facebook, where community things happen. and i don't care about privacy, there, at all. why should i?

    2. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I really despise these "High and mighty" posts about how all FB users are irresponsible idiots. There are a number of great uses for Facebook, and many of us actually PREFER to be contacted via facebook by our friends, rather than the endless deluge of phone calls and text messages. If you're having a get-together, I'd much rather you invite me on FB than tell me in person, because chances are, I'm going to forget. And I don't really see the point of the privacy crap either. I only put information on a social site that I'm comfortable sharing socially. I don't get it.

    3. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Post all information as RSA encoded strings?

    4. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Haeleth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both friends, conversing and socializing are more fulfilling when done in some of the more traditional ways.

      Like what? Email, so my messages can get lost in the sea of spam? Phoning, during the roughly 1 hour each day when both I and my overseas friends are awake and at home, and they're exhausted after a long day and I'm rushing to get off to work? Maybe I should just hop on a plane every weekend to meet people face to face -- I'm sure that would be a fulfilling use of my time and money!

      Sorry, but services like Facebook fill an important gap that nothing else really caters for. If you don't like it, think of something better, but don't go round bashing it just because you personally have never moved out of your home town or made any friends who lived more than a street away.

    5. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by rliden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a FB account. I have reestablished contact with old friends and very distant family members I didn't otherwise have contact with. The alternative to finding someone you have lost contact with (if your other close family and friends don't know where someone is or how to contact them) is by searching Google and hoping you find a reasonable match. Even then most sites that find a person for you want an idiotic amount of money and a buy in to their scam service to get the contact info. Then there isn't a guarantee that it is the right person or the contact info is still relevant.

      People do use FB for more than asking someone to fertilize their crops or signing some mob-mentality world solving petition. It's possible to use social networking in a responsible manner. Facebook does seem to have a blatant disregard for their users and it's possible that a better service will come along and people will move to it. Another point condescending pedants might be missing is the exposure of security and privacy risks can help to educate people who might not otherwise even know about them. That is, just because people aren't using social networking doesn't make them any more safe on the internet. There were plenty of online scams and security risks before social networking; at least now people can communicate the nature of them and educate users how to safeguard themselves. One of the first things I did after seeing that CBS news story is post it on FB so that people could change their FB and email password info.

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    6. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      People do use FB for more than asking someone to fertilize their crops...

      Disgusting.

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    7. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      You are on Slasdot on Sunday, it's not like you have friends or social life, so stop pretending and get down from the high horse...

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    8. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by Ritchie70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. I've had a lot of fun catching up with high school friends I haven't seen or heard from in almost 25 years.

      Would I have ever gone and found these people via a more traditional mechanism? Of course not.

      Is it fun to chat with them, hear about who died, who had kids, and argue about politics? Yes.

      Could I live without it? Yes.

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    9. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      When you have a newborn at home, you don't have time to go out much. Especially when the baby has colics.

      But you're right: I don't have much of a social life at the moment. I definitely don't feel lonely, though!

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    10. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Looks like he got one of his Facebook buddies to mod down our disagreeing posts :o)

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    11. Re:FB has been quite liberal with users' privacy by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Why FB has to be a replacement of real social life interaction? Oh, you mean, the day you sign up for FB, you will physically be unable to engage in any real social behavior?

      I am on FB - but that's just so that I don't have to remember who is married to whom and all that. In fact, if you want, you can engage in more real social life with help of FB or any similar sites. One example - It's common to see Flickr users to arrange meet-ups.

      It's not always A OR B.

  11. Can someone please tell me... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    ...the use of owning 1000 Facebook IDs ? What is the idea ? Who would want it ? I may be dense but appart from spam senders I don't see the use of this.

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    1. Re:Can someone please tell me... by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. collect facebook ids
      2. ???
      3. profit!

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    2. Re:Can someone please tell me... by Becausegodhasmademe · · Score: 1

      This was covered less concisely further up by BountyX, here are a few uses:

      1. Using the personal data of the compromised accounts to make a person-specific dictionary to guess passwords and/or secret questions of other websites, including internet backing, eBay, Amazon etc.
      2. Using the personal data of friends of compromised accounts to accomplish much the same thing as 1.
      3. Sending spam to the email address associated with the account that are crafted to look like they're from friends.
      4. Social Engineering 'hacks' such as IMing someone pretending to be their friend on a different IM account.
      5. Grabbing pictures of beautiful girls from the photo album of the compromised account and friends. Think teenage girls. 4Chan will love this.

      Which means, even if your account hasn't been owned and you change your password, you're still not safe from the wider ranging implications of this hack/security leak.

    3. Re:Can someone please tell me... by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      It's much bigger than spam. Thousands upon thousands of other websites will let you log in by using only your facebook credentials. It takes two clicks (easily automated). If you don't already have an account, it typically just creates one for you.

      Now think about what those other websites might be.
      Now think about what those websites do with information in order to sell you things.
      Now think about what kind of information people would put on those other websites, knowing that "only facebook" has weird privacy policies.

      Thousands of computers testing thousands of permutations with facebook accounts and other websites.
      Every nightmare scenario you can imagine about identity theft and fraud is at work here.

    4. Re:Can someone please tell me... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the use of owning 1000 Facebook IDs ? What is the idea ? Who would want it ? I may be dense but appart from spam senders I don't see the use of this.

      You can make them all your friend to give you more power in Mafia Wars...

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    5. Re:Can someone please tell me... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      All these things seems related to "having a facebook account", hacked or not.

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    6. Re:Can someone please tell me... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Gives a whole new meaning to the word "farm" in Farmville.

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    7. Re:Can someone please tell me... by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      ...the use of owning 1000 Facebook IDs ? What is the idea ?

      Apparently to try the usernames and passwords on banking sites as some users use the same for both. Plus I'd imagine there are ways you could use it to blackmail/extort people...

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  12. Does it matter? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    I am pretty sure Facebook was going to enable "post-on-behalf-of" for everyone on their next privacy settings revision anyway for extra fun.

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  13. Re:It is simple. by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably because unlike in the US, Russia seems to turn a completely blind eye to cyber criminals. Granted we don't do such a good job ourselves, but we do look for them and prosecute them when found. It's rich that a country with a very serious problem with organized crime would even pretend like there's no justification for pointing a finger back at the lack of enforcement.

  14. What about FB? by cdgeorge · · Score: 1

    It's pretty clear to me that the hacker actually broke Facebook security and stole bulk data. Question is, what is Facebook doing about it? Shouldn't they be chasing after this in some way? After all, it's their service I'm using ...

    1. Re:What about FB? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 1

      No. Presumably, the user id / password pairs were acquired via security exploits in web browsers, plug-ins, etc. Not from Facebook itself.

      While 1.5 million is a lot, it's still only a small fraction, as in less than 1/2 of 1 percent, of Facebook's user base.

      Ron

  15. Don't hate the players... by msimm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Don't hate the players hate the game dawg!

    Facebook users aren't security experts, they're family members, friends and loved ones. You remember those, right?

    Living in my IT bubble in San Diego it was easier for me to bag on Facebook and 'look down' on it's users but now that I'm unemployed and living temporarily with family I seen how useful it is for them to keep in touch with friends and relatives in a way that letters or email simply can't emulate.

    Besides, if we really thought Facebook was that bad instead of bitching about it we'd be the talent pool responsible for creating a better alternative (unless you believe that only venture-funded MBAs can take on such a technological challenge). For instance, I've never liked any of the popular/available dating sites, so what do you think I'm doing while I learn Mongodb in my free time?

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  16. Re:It is simple. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah, cyber crime, the offence of sending ones and zeros down a wire to produce forbidden tones.

    To specify, money in a bank is just an entry in a database. Someone fraudulently reduce some entry by $1000 and increase another by $1000? Roll back.

    Banks have a problem with the administrative burden? Luckily, mine is owned substantially by the state now, so shouldn't be much of a problem enforcing this.

  17. "Hacker"? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Pff, I bet I can get those accounts for a couple of bucks, by just asking Zuckerberg.
    After all, according to him, there is no privacy. Just make an app or something, and there you have the data.

    Man am I happy that I deleted my Facebook account. (Which was, other than the friends list, completely empty anyway. But you know. Friends, photos, messages... that’s already too much.)

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  18. Use good unique passwords by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    To anyone who didn't get the message yet, there are three rules you should follow:

    1) Never use the same password in more than one place.

    2) Store the passwords somewhere safe.

    3) Use good quality passwords.

    Unix fans can generate good quality passwords with:
    od -N4 -tx4 /dev/random | cut -b9-
    or slightly better ones with:
    dd if=/dev/random count=6 bs=1 | uuencode -m - | tail -2 | head -1

    1. Re:Use good unique passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      To anyone who didn't get the message yet, there are three rules you should follow:

      1) Never use the same password in more than one place.

      Ridiculous. People have lives. They don't want to spend it keeping track of passwords.

    2. Re:Use good unique passwords by dotgain · · Score: 1
      Remembering which password to use where robs one of their life little more than remember which key on the ring to use for each lock.

      Some people can't comprehend that I use about 15 distinct passwords, but I'm sure they'd be capable if they decided they needed to do that too.

    3. Re:Use good unique passwords by m85476585 · · Score: 1

      I only need to keep track of a few passwords. The rest of them are stored in Firefox or PasswordSafe. I put everything in PasswordSafe, and I also let Firefox remember the less important ones. All I have to remember is my logon password, my Firefox master password, and my PasswordSafe password.

  19. Fake accounts by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    They're probably just the type of fake accounts I've seen before attempting to friend random people. Most of them probably are female, with pretty photos lifted from the internet. The tipping point for price belies their nature: under or over ten? Real accounts usually have at least over fifty, if not hundreds of friends. That said, this still is a big security issue given the amount of data people's friends can get on their profile, and the proclivity for the younger kids to add anyone who friends them. Of course, a lot of these fake accounts are probably only friends with other fake accounts, and will probably be sold in batches that prevent this fact from being apparent for the first few weeks after a sale.

  20. i think he got me by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    facebook today told me: "your account was accessed from an unusual place and has been blocked." then i had to do all sorts of things to prove i'm human and it told me to create a new password. i created such a strong password that i have forgotten it. now will have to change it again.

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  21. Re:It is simple. by 228e2 · · Score: 1

    Are you seriously trying to defend cybercrimes?

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  22. Re:It is simple. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

    Defending them? I'm just contextualising the problem.

    To wit, cybercrimes cause precisely as much harm as your bank/government in your country wants them to cause. It's like spam: you could pretend that you can shut down all spammers across the world at source, or you could deploy education and effective antispam solutions to protect potential victims.

  23. Why does Facebook know your Facebook password? by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    Facebook shouldn't be storing your Facebook passsword, just an hash of it. That's how login systems have worked for thirty years. Doesn't anybody there have a clue about security?

  24. Re:Banks here in Finland uses one-time codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Finland, banks usually provide you with a list of ~50-100 one-time use codes, so it's basically impossible to figure out the next code unless you manage to find some pattern in the random digit generator that the banks use to generate those one-time codes. To me this seems even more secure than using those keypads that most other european countries seem to be using. The only way I can concieve this to be hacked is to figure out what someone's userid is (random generated string, i.e. basically a traditional password), and then intercept their snail mail when they get their fresh set of one-time codes.

  25. Re:It is simple. by xaxa · · Score: 1

    What do you do when someone withdraws the $1000? It's then too late to roll back.

  26. Re:It is simple. by shawb · · Score: 1

    You really think the Russian government turns a blind eye to cyber criminals? That doesn't seem right to me... if the officials aren't on the lookout for criminals, then how will they know who to blackmail for bribes?

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  27. Maybe a bit harsh but... by friguron · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...probably some people "deserve" the trouble they attract when using computers. Using an easy login/password combination is something it's not my problem. Maybe illiterate people have this problem, but then "what did they expect" of computers and internet usage? They pretend it to be like turning on a bulb. It works, it doesn't work. I would sincerely propose something like "computer usage credentials certificate". Someone is ALWAYS pretending "using computers is something anyone can do" (ha!)

    No matter how easily I explain these risks to my acquaintances, they don't really understand the BIG trouble behind it, and they don't change passwords. When they tell me something like "my hotmail has a virus, please help me". I just ignore them, and/or tell them not to enter onto those silly webpages mean't to steal your login password. It's some kind of natural selection. (And Mr. Russian is, "righteously", just rubbing his hands).
    I'm starting to be fed of losing my time and my friends'. And the best part is they still are friends with me. (I wouldn't expect less)

    Besides, even people like me (for example), who do use "safe" passwords, are in this kind of risk, (lousy webpage programming, plain http login/password negotiation, etc...) but then, having a periodical password change schedule is something NOT SO painful. Besides if your web browser is nice enough (Opera for example), can deal with your passwords wonderfully.
    Only you have to keep ALL your passwods inside a encrypted .rar archive (to say something), IN CASE YOU DON'T REMEMBER THEM... Again "not a big pain" (at least for me).

    Paranoia with passwords, is something one can learn by conditioning (much like Pavlov's dog), and then you don't realize you're doing these (not so) "boring" routine tasks (like updating your local passwords file, etc...) On the long run, it's really worth its effort.

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  28. Creating and handling passwords by Kurt4sho · · Score: 1

    Simply, people can no longer remember passwords good enough to reliably defend against dictionary attacks, and are much more secure if they choose a password too complicated to remember and then write it down. We're all good at securing small pieces of paper. I recommend that people write their passwords down on a small piece of paper, and keep it with their other valuable small pieces of paper: in their wallet. —Bruce Schneier 2005

  29. Re:It is simple. by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

    No it isn't - it's just that the bank from which physical cash is withdrawn should end up with a net loss. Same thing would happen if I, as an Interweb merchant, sold goods to someone who had used a stolen CC - the $ would be deducted from my account and I'd have just given away free goods.

    Cybercrime affecting some guy across the world and/or his local bank then becomes real theft by a Russian resident from a bank in Russia. Watch the Russian government suddenly take notice.

  30. Re:Banks here in Finland uses one-time codes by YXdr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the only way I can conceive this to be hacked ...
    Always a dangerous statement - just because you can't think of an attack doesn't mean there isn't one.

    You are correct that no one is going to guess the next one-time password. Instead, they are going to attack your machine, and piggyback on your session after you have logged in. This is happening in the wild today, although it's mostly aimed at larger commercial accounts.

    Those keypads are more secure because they can be used to enter unique data for each transaction, like the amount of a transfer. Plus, they aren't connected to a network, so remote hacks are blocked. The keypad's generated code will definitively prove that the holder of the device entered the transaction data(*).

    Obligatory Schneier reading: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/hacking_two-fac.html

    (*) The most likely attack against devices like this: the key stored on the bank's server. But it's just a single target, so it is easier to harden.

  31. Re:Banks here in Finland uses one-time codes by Hellahulla · · Score: 1

    Not hard to do, considering 90% of Finland doesn't lock their mail boxes. My bank restricts my password length to 6 characters I think, so even with a random 4 digit code from a list of 100 it's still not that safe. Too much reliance on hard-copy data and not enough on a person's common sense. Changing your main password whenever you get your new set of codes, is probably a wise option. Now, I have a couple of bank accounts in the UK, and they tend to follow the pattern of huge password, security questions (which most people with common sense don't actually answer as the real thing. All this tied up with a password safe thing itself with a password that is easy to remember :) No system is without flaws, and the human side is where the faults will mostly occur. Just use your head and you'll be safe.

  32. Re:Summary reads like slashvertisement for the hac by kirill.s · · Score: 1

    The slashvertisement would have been too apparent, had the story been suggested by myself. ;)

  33. i am so happy no one knows... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I am so happy no one knows happygilmore45 except the ones i tell, and then i only put fake info, if they know who i am,
    they dont need to read about it. No pics, no wall, except unless really needed. i'd rather be texting anyways, then facebooking....is that even a word???

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  35. Re:It is simple. by Tokerat · · Score: 1

    Cosmo, from the movie Sneakers with Robert Redford.

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  36. At least I have something to spam friends with... by Aut0mated · · Score: 1

    ...when i get those annoying Facebook invites. Maybe a few of them will realize I'm not being anti-social for the sake of being, well anti-social.

  37. Best headline by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1
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  38. What do you have to hide? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Just dont post any sensitive infomation on facebook and you can continue to stay connected to your family and friends.

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