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Austria Converts Phone Booths To EV Chargers

separsons writes "Telekom Austria, a telecommunications company, aims to convert obsolete public phone booths into electric vehicle recharging stations. The company unveiled its first station yesterday in Vienna and hopes to create 29 more stations by the end of the year. The stations may not be super popular now, but they should be soon; Austria's motor vehicle association says the country will likely have 405,000 electric vehicles on the road by the year 2020."

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  1. Something is wrong here... by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A company with outdated infrastructure changing it's business model to adapt to changing technology- all in a quick, relatively efficient process? Yeah, you've got to be pulling my leg.

    Wait, do you mean Corporate America isn't doing it right?

    1. Re:Something is wrong here... by masterwit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But in future, payment, which is expected to cost a single-digit euro sum, will be via mobile phone, Ametsreiter said.

      Ah the irony...I personally welcome new healthy ideas into any market. (Free market with healthy regulation, whatever no political arguments needed here)

      Some more info:

      Telekom Austria's charging stations will leverage the group’s existing infrastructure: the company currently operates 13,500 telephone booths countrywide, of which 700 are multimedia stations. In the first phase, the focus will be on multimedia stations that offer on-street parking opportunities for electric vehicles. By installing additional charging points, each telephone booth will be able to recharge more than one vehicle at a time. By year-end 2010 a total of 30 charging stations will be on stream. According to a survey by Verkehsclub Osterreich, an association promoting environmentally sustainable, socially just and economically efficient mobility, the number of electric vehicles will significantly increase in Austria over the next few years, with e-scooters exceeding 60,000 and e-cars 115,000 by 2015.

      http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=33006&email=html

      Yes they did not go out on a limb to invest in phone booths, but using existing architecture in an economically and environmentally friendly way to address an emerging market, nice.

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    2. Re:Something is wrong here... by siloko · · Score: 1

      405000 electric cars on the roads in ten years time

      Yes, and with such accurate soothsayers in their midst what could possibly o wrong!

    3. Re:Something is wrong here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should invest into broadband internet for austria. large parts of the country are still internet wasteland.

      telekom austria isnt the progressive force it looks like with this AD.

    4. Re:Something is wrong here... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      As a customer of Telekom Austria, I can assure you that nothing about that company is quick and efficient. They're the former state-run monopoly.

    5. Re:Something is wrong here... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually Telecom austria is also the biggest mobile phone provider in austria (and a big one in severeal eastern and southeastern european countries).
      Btw. also Austria has more mobile phone contracts than citizense due to the fact that mobile phone services there are dirt cheap and lots of people have more than one contract.

    6. Re:Something is wrong here... by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a customer of Telekom Austria, I can assure you that nothing about that company is quick and efficient. They're the former state-run monopoly.

      People love to say this scornfully, but they seem not to realise that if "Telekom $SOME_COUNTRY" _wasn't_ a "former state-run monopoly" then if they didn't live within a hundred metres of their nearest neighbour they wouldn't even _have_ a phone service, and the mere idea of a practically free phone standing on the street would be absolutely laughable.

    7. Re:Something is wrong here... by am+2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but the deduction "formerly state-run" -> "extremely inefficient" shouldn't be as unfailing as it is.

      Though it has become better, Telekom Austria no longer sends three technicians to install a cable (two watching, one working).

    8. Re:Something is wrong here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a customer of Telekom Austria, I can assure you that nothing about that company is quick and efficient. They're the former state-run monopoly.

      Takes a while to fix that reception issue in your basement ?

    9. Re:Something is wrong here... by bhima · · Score: 1

      My experience with Telekom Austria and UPC/iNode has not been substantially different.. and actually not all that different from AT&T/Mindspring in America. So my feeling is that this is entrenched telecoms firms and not formerly state run firms.

      I'd love to get 24e (Fiber) but my property management company won't have anything to do with it.

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    10. Re:Something is wrong here... by Jurily · · Score: 3, Funny

      I loved the part where the submitter felt the need to clarify that Telekom Austria is a telecommunications company. Now if only he could tell us which country it's in...

    11. Re:Something is wrong here... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      As a customer of Telekom Austria, I can assure you that nothing about that company is quick and efficient. They're the former state-run monopoly.

      People love to say this scornfully, but they seem not to realise that if "Telekom $SOME_COUNTRY" _wasn't_ a "former state-run monopoly" then if they didn't live within a hundred metres of their nearest neighbour they wouldn't even _have_ a phone service, and the mere idea of a practically free phone standing on the street would be absolutely laughable.

      While I agree that government regulation (which generally means a monopoly) to ensure cost recovery (and profits) drives universal service since companies can provide service to uneconomic areas by subsidizing the costs; that does not mean it must be a state run monopoly. ATT in the US wasn't one; it didn't even start as a regulated monopoly.

      As with any regulation, the idea was to limit competition and thereby ensure profitability. Universal service was one by-product.

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    12. Re:Something is wrong here... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      As with any regulation, the idea was to limit competition and thereby ensure profitability.

      Or sometimes increase it (antitrust)

    13. Re:Something is wrong here... by haschka · · Score: 1

      Well as former costumer of Telekom Austria who moved to France in 2007. I can tell you that the telecommunication market both mobile and fixed is extremly healty in Austria compared to other regions. Look to AT&T and the iphone struggle.. Here in France a usable Iphone contract is around 50 Euros.. in Austria it should be around 20 ? Fixed lines in France is a chaos, operators tell you you get 20 Mbit bandwith and give you 5 and there is no national ministry for work and client protection like in Austria that would punish companies selling fraudulent contracts.. Be happy to live where you are..

    14. Re:Something is wrong here... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm paying EUR9.50 per month for my all-inclusive iPhone contract :)

    15. Re:Something is wrong here... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Sure, sticking cars in phone booths may work in Europe, with their tiny little cars. But it would never work in North America, as our cars would never fit in them.

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    16. Re:Something is wrong here... by BigDXLT · · Score: 1

      It would have helped me.

      I read it as Telekom Australia.

      I fail. :(

    17. Re:Something is wrong here... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      As with any regulation, the idea was to limit competition and thereby ensure profitability.

      Or sometimes increase it (antitrust)

      Unfortunately, the general net effect of regulation is to limit competition to raise prices. While anti-trust would appear to have the opposite effect, consider this:

      The argument against monopolies is they raise prices and squash competition; first by lowering prices. But to keep out competitors they have to keep prices low enough to avoid re-entry, so prices stay low. If you bust up the trust, no one has market prices and prices can rise to a higher level than with a monopoly.

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    18. Re:Something is wrong here... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      If you bust up the trust, no one has market prices and prices can rise to a higher level than with a monopoly.

      That's some bogus reasoning. (It only works if the price of entering the market is practically zero. These are the markets least prone to become a monopoly.)

      By busting the competition by predatory pricing you eliminate the initial capital of the competition. And that takes time to recover. In the meantime you can have outrageous profits. Antitrust makes it harder to destroy that initial capital.

    19. Re:Something is wrong here... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      If you bust up the trust, no one has market prices [correction - power, not prices] and prices can rise to a higher level than with a monopoly.

      That's some bogus reasoning. (It only works if the price of entering the market is practically zero. These are the markets least prone to become a monopoly.)

      By busting the competition by predatory pricing you eliminate the initial capital of the competition. And that takes time to recover. In the meantime you can have outrageous profits. Antitrust makes it harder to destroy that initial capital.

      The problem with predatory pricing is it is unsustainable; ultimately you raise prices and competition enters or you keep the artificially low prices which benefit the consumer and cost you profits. If the cost of entry is high the longer you keep them low the longer it takes to recover your investment; and once you raise them you'll lose market share further depressing your profits.

      If a competitor believes the low prices are unsustainable they can enter anyway knowing you'll have to raise prices or go out of business; so they can outlast you if they enter later.

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    20. Re:Something is wrong here... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      " so they can outlast you if they enter later."
      They cannot. Because they don't know it in advance.

    21. Re:Something is wrong here... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      " so they can outlast you if they enter later." They cannot. Because they don't know it in advance.

      You're incorrectly assuming companies can't determine the cost of creating a product; they do that all the time. Then they simply must decide whether or not they can survive to the point the other competitor raises prices; or if they can differentiate their product enough to charge more. You see that all the time in business; it is neither new or unusual.

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    22. Re:Something is wrong here... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      You seriously misanderstood what I said: the smaller company doesn't know how seriously the price war will go. Or when it will start. A lot of them just suppose that the bigger one doesn't take notice.

      "You're incorrectly assuming companies can't determine the cost of creating a product; "
      It's very hard to tell in advance, and a its the cause of many bankruptcies.

    23. Re:Something is wrong here... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You seriously misanderstood what I said: the smaller company doesn't know how seriously the price war will go. Or when it will start. A lot of them just suppose that the bigger one doesn't take notice.

      "You're incorrectly assuming companies can't determine the cost of creating a product; " It's very hard to tell in advance, and a its the cause of many bankruptcies.

      I beg to differ. Take Southwest for example. While they may not know how long Braniff would try to drive them out of the market by undercutting fares; they knew how long they could survive and bet (correctly) that Braniff would fold before they ran out of money. They also worked to differentiate their product and appeal to a specific segment to remain profitable in the face of predatory pricing; which Braniff was unable to use to drive Southwest out of business. Other airlines used regulations to limit Southwest's ability to compete instead of pricing.

      "You're incorrectly assuming companies can't determine the cost of creating a product; "

      It's very hard to tell in advance, and a its the cause of many bankruptcies.

      If they don't know what it costs to produce their product then they probably shouldn't be in business - while you are correct that it is the cause of many bankruptcies the problem is not predatory pricing but corporate incompetence.

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  2. One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's a phone booth?

    1. Re:One question by SirWinston · · Score: 5, Informative

      > What's a phone booth?

      It's like a Police Box, but without the time travel...

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    2. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its perfect for hotboxing

    3. Re:One question by tjones · · Score: 2, Funny

      A toll booth for the PSTN.

    4. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      > What's a phone booth?

      It's like a Police Box, but without the time travel...

      Whoa! Dude! That's totally bogus.

    5. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like this movie ... where this guy walks into a box ... and talks with this weirdo who has this gun and shoots like ... everyone and stuff. There's this babe, who's like ... awesome! Dude! Check it out!

    6. Re:One question by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      >What's a phone booth?

      That's where I first met yo mama ($YourAge + 9 months) ago.

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    7. Re:One question by dakameleon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry, Yo Mama jokes with $variables just don't work.

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    8. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's not important right now.

    9. Re:One question by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      That's just as well. I should have said (9 * $Months) anyway. I shoulda asked yo mama how the old programming syntax worked before she fell asleep. :D

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    10. Re:One question by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      I can see it now in the tourist guides..

      Warning!! when using public phones in Austria first make sure you are not earthed, there is a high probability of brain damage.

    11. Re:One question by siloko · · Score: 1

      Well that's comedy and programming off the list. Fireman? Fighter pilot?

    12. Re:One question by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, stepping into one at least feels like traveling back in time.
      Also, it’s bigger on the outside. ^^
      And cleaner...

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    13. Re:One question by M8e · · Score: 1

      It's an wifi hotspot inside an (glass)booth that also have a payphone.

    14. Re:One question by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to hate being old enough to get formally popular references http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/

    15. Re:One question by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      What's a phone booth?

      That's where Clark Kent used to leave his dirty laundry in Austria.

    16. Re:One question by stupid_is · · Score: 1

      how about the informal ones?

      Perhaps the formerly popular ones might be more relevant to the discussion :-)

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    17. Re:One question by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      doh

    18. Re:One question by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Damn right!

      Now get off my self-mowing lawn!

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    19. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill & Ted travels in time in a phone booth.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Ted's_Excellent_Adventure

    20. Re:One question by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, Yo Mama jokes with $variables just don't work.

      That's because yo mama is so fat putting her into a $variable would cause an out of memory error.

      Bazinga.

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  3. why, at that rate... by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why, at that rate, they'll be able to simultaneously recharge 0.06% of the electric cars in the country!

    And with the usual 30 milliamp analog phone line current, it will only take about a dozen years to recharge each car.

    1. Re:why, at that rate... by Pirate_Pettit · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's a good point - how is using such a low-power infrastructure (even as a starting point) any easier than starting from scratch? Are they just re-purposing the pipes and sheaths from the old landlines?

    2. Re:why, at that rate... by Bob_Who · · Score: 2, Funny

      ....And with the usual 30 milliamp analog phone line current, it will only take about a dozen years to recharge each car.

      Yeah, but think of all the roll over minutes!

    3. Re:why, at that rate... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, at that rate, they'll be able to simultaneously recharge 0.06% of the electric cars in the country!

      And with the usual 30 milliamp analog phone line current, it will only take about a dozen years to recharge each car.

      Phone booths in my country have lights for nighttime use so I suppose they have mains supply as well.

    4. Re:why, at that rate... by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Phone booths in my country have lights for nighttime ...

      Ah yes, much easier to see the hookers when they are illuminated.

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    5. Re:why, at that rate... by carlzum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It probably has less to do with reuse than business opportunity. They provide a service that doesn't justify the maintenance of the booths. They could remove them and relinquish control of the locations. But apparently they control the rights over the locations (at least enough to install chargers) and they're probably convenient and accessible for EV owners. That's an advantage over anyone else trying to enter the market.

    6. Re:why, at that rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....And with the usual 30 milliamp analog phone line current, it will only take about a dozen years to recharge each car.

      Yeah, but think of all the roll over minutes!

      Yeah but the long distance charges will eat up any minutes.

    7. Re:why, at that rate... by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's a good point - how is using such a low-power infrastructure (even as a starting point) any easier than starting from scratch? Are they just re-purposing the pipes and sheaths from the old landlines?

      For starters, they already have the land reserved. I'd imagine the paperwork required to requisition a half-square-meter of public land on a roadside in the center of a city would be overwhelming, and that's not to mention the added drama of laying new cable routes.

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    8. Re:why, at that rate... by clemdoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as I know, they're actually not allowed to give up the phone booths. Telekom Austria is the former state monopoly and they're obliged to maintain certain services even though they may not be lucrative anymore.
      (Just as the Postal Service has been forbidden to close certain Post Offices lest the density become too low: Some retirements pensions are actually still paid through the Post Offices and you don't want old people to have to travel for hours to get their money.)
      So upgrading an existing infrastructure that has to be maintained to offer additional services doesn't seem like too stupid an idea.

    9. Re:why, at that rate... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I can do arithmetic too. 15 minutes charging a day * 405,000 vehicles = 101250 hours of charging a day, or 4218 charging stations. Except that number is a complete fantasy: the usage won't be spread neatly over 24 hours. There will be sharp peaks morning, mid-day and afternoon, plus concentrated demand in areas with a lot of rich ecoloons who think electricity is "clean" because the gas, oil and coal plants making it are located out in the sticks.

      Even with the best charge rates and distance-per-charge figures, we're looking at needing ten times as many EV charging stations as we currently have fossil fuel stations.

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    10. Re:why, at that rate... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      The lighting benefits both parties - easier for them to count the cash, and you to count their teeth.

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    11. Re:why, at that rate... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Local councils have installed some electric car charging points in London. At the moment they're free to use (free electricity, free parking) once you've paid an annual fee.

      They're basically a post with a socket on the top: Picture

      I don't especially like them -- I'd like to see less traffic congestion in the city. You can fit stands to secure eight bicycles in the same space as one car, which is a much fairer use of some very useful land. Or, you can have an empty street without all the clutter.

    12. Re:why, at that rate... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      a lot of rich ecoloons who think electricity is "clean" because the gas, oil and coal plants making it are located out in the sticks.

      It is clean, from a local point of view. That's important, since pollution from petrol/diesel engines is a primary cause of respiratory illnesses.

    13. Re:why, at that rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? I mean we will all charge our EV at home during night at off peak prices, right? So the only use we will have for the cityside chargers are if we're away from home, forgot to plug the car at night or doing heavy driving during the day.

      I'm assuming that taxis, handymen etc. that do heavy driving during the day will have an alternate fuel source, or dedicated loading stations/battery exchange, so really I don't think we'll need more EV charge stations than fuel stations today, unless you count the ones at home and at office parking places.

    14. Re:why, at that rate... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Math, incredibly useful as it is, is no substitute for imagination. There are lots of ways to deal with the need for charging stations and I'm cheered to see that there are at least some places in the world that are moving on this, unlike the pathetic efforts of my own country.

      As demand rises, I foresee parking lots, whether at work, shopping centers, wherever, installing quick-charge stations. And those gas stations will likely do it as well. I wonder if any of the auto manufacturers have electric car designs where the battery is quick-swappable?
      If so, you could have garage stations where you can pull in and swap your depleted battery for a charged one but that'll have lots more headaches than charging stations because of issues such as battery standardization, warranty, disposal, etc.
      Initially, those kinds of stations would likely be manufacturer specific but then we could have the auto dealers performing that function.

      Yes, there'll be headaches, and lots of them but I don't see it being anywhere near as difficult as starting from practically nothing, including expertise,
      and having to build the highway, railways and electricity infrastructure as our forebears were faced with doing, 150 years or so ago.

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    15. Re:why, at that rate... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Welcome to 2010. It must be traumatic being unfrozen from that block of ice and all, but things have moved on a bit since 1972. Here in the future, if you're concerned about the local air quality, the best thing you can do is to suck it through a modern internal combustion engine and catalytic converter. It will literally clean the air for you.

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    16. Re:why, at that rate... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree that imaginary charging stations are going to be the #1 response in most areas.

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    17. Re:why, at that rate... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Then why do cars still smell? (Yes, including new ones.)

    18. Re:why, at that rate... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      If you can smell car exhausts, then you do not live in an area with significant air pollution. Next question.

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    19. Re:why, at that rate... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Funny! But, you're wrong. At least in the short term,which may be a lot longer than I'd like, the #1 response will be that it can't be done.
      Meanwhile, people like Shai Agassi will be busy doing it.

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    20. Re:why, at that rate... by haruchai · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:why, at that rate... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      They're basically a post with a socket on the top: Picture

      Those look familiar... Of course, I like to say that where I work is already EV ready - well, as long as you can charge off of 110V. Of course, they were installed for block heaters, not EVs.

      I've actually looked into getting an EV, partially because of this*, but wasn't able to make it make financial sense even assuming my 'fuel' would be free.

      *Free fuel, I like techie toys, etc...

      I don't especially like them -- I'd like to see less traffic congestion in the city.

      Personal thoughts: You're never going to get rid of all the vehicles, what about the handicapped, those who have to carry too much to make a bike practical, those who may not be formally handicapped but can't handle a bicycle and can't afford the walking time, etc...

      Given that, I'd rather have EVs in the city than gasoline burners.

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    22. Re:why, at that rate... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      You win an Internets! Switching out the batteries is the only remotely feasible solution. Now, all that we need is for every EV manufacturer (possibly less one) to admit that their battery solution sucks ass, and switch to a common battery pack.

      Sorry, you were saying something funny?

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    23. Re:why, at that rate... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      At the moment they're free to use (free electricity, free parking) once you've paid an annual fee.

      So they're not free then. If you have to pay to use something, it's not free. Just like "free" healthcare isn't free. You, and others, have paid taxes for decades to (hopefully) get medical service when you need it. Of course if you die early, you don't get to use that which you've paid for, but that's another issue.

      Short of breathing, drinking from a pond/stream/river or taking a shit, there isn't anything that's free. Someone, somewhere, has to pay for it by some measure.

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    24. Re:why, at that rate... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      As demand rises, I foresee parking lots, whether at work, shopping centers, wherever, installing quick-charge stations.

      I keep figuring restaurants will be popular spots - Many gas stations will be the least popular. Right now gas stations are seperate due to infrastructure/safety requirements for a buried tank. But most gas stations I see don't have the space to handle the same number of cars if you go from 5 minute fill ups to even 15-30 minute 'quick charges'.

      I wonder if any of the auto manufacturers have electric car designs where the battery is quick-swappable?

      There's quite a few problems with this - I'd add in condition of the swapped battery. But there's another problem - EV batteries are heavy enough that you need a crane/lift to move them. It also means that the battery needs substantial structural support, complicating quick-change support systems. Besides weight, they also have bulk, means that they're often stuck in somewhat wierd spots in the car maker's quest to maximize usable space to the operator/passangers.

      Then you have to figure out how many quick-swap batteries the station will have to keep, how they're going to charge them, how much labor and machinery the quick-swap takes.

      There's some probability that 'delay travel or hire a cab' might be the more routine solution.

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    25. Re:why, at that rate... by Locklin · · Score: 1

      A fleet of electrics will easily have "ten times as many" charging stations as an equivalent gas fleet would have gas stations. Of course, most charging stations cost $1k and would be located in the car's overnight parking location (garage, corporate lot, etc.) Gas stations cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and require at least one staff whenever operational. There's no problem replacing one gas station with ten charging stations. Public stations like this would likely be used when an extra charge is needed, not every day (traveling, shopping, etc.).

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    26. Re:why, at that rate... by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Where you live prostitutes have teeth?! That sounds dangerous!

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    27. Re:why, at that rate... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Better Place, the initiative started by former SAP exec Shai Agassi, is leaning towards leasing the batteries and have a recently launched taxi service in Tokyo that have quick-swap facilities.
      But, convenient as battery swapping would be, it will be a nightmare without standardization.

      http://blog.betterplace.com/2010/04/better-place-launches-switchable-battery-electric-taxis-in-tokyo-today/

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    28. Re:why, at that rate... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Taxis have the advantage that they're generally standardized, and most large taxi companies already have their own service departments. So they have a garage to install the equipment.

      For that matter they have the commerical incentive and miles driven in a year to justify the cost of the batteries; cost of capital doesn't add up as much when you're looking at replacing a battery within a year, not five-ten.

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    29. Re:why, at that rate... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Phone booths in my country have lights for nighttime use so I suppose they have mains supply as well.

      The phone booths in my country smell like urine and feces, so I suppose they have sewage lines as well...

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    30. Re:why, at that rate... by Laurence0 · · Score: 1
      Take the Lightning Electric car as an example...

      Range is 300km on a full charge, and given a suitable power supply, it can go from flat to full in 10 minutes.

      I don't know about you, but if I've just driven 300km, I'd be quite happy to wait 10 minutes before driving another 300. On top of that, you'd be charging it a lot less often - my typical car use is home to work and back most days, 10km. Visiting family, less than 100km each way. So, if I'm using it like this, I /never/ need to do one of their 10 minute charges because I'll plug it in every night. OK, on a residential 13A, 240V feed it'll take a few hours to charge, but so what? It'll be there overnight.

      I rarely do journeys that long, and when I do, I'd be glad to take a break. 10 minutes isn't exactly a long time.

      Also bear in mind that's a sports saloon - a car built for range rather than performance would potentially go a lot further on a charge. But even if it doesn't, even if the range was half that, it's still plenty.

      Now we just need quantity sold to go up, so price comes down...

    31. Re:why, at that rate... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Personally, my 'range' is ~300 miles. Call it 350 to have a safety margin.

      That takes around four hours. Eat at breakfast at 6, start driving at 7, stop at 11, eat lunch, drive from 1 to 5, eat dinner, drive another couple hours.

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  4. Location Location Location by lordlod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand their desire to reuse the prime real estate they have for their phone boxes and convert it into a new profitable market.

    However in this case I'm not sure it will actually be so useful. Typically you position phone boxes in pedestrian heavy areas where people can see them and use them. Normally you would want recharging stations in car parks, where cars like to hang out for extended periods of time. Do you really want to base your business model over having cars parked beside the road in busy streets for 6.5 hours at a time? Looking at the phone booth in the picture there doesn't even seem space for a single car to stop.

    1. Re:Location Location Location by j-stroy · · Score: 2, Funny

      This could work, so long as they surround the car parks with a high kangaroo fence...

    2. Re:Location Location Location by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      This could work, so long as they surround the car parks with a high kangaroo fence...

      Austria not Australia.

      Though for all I know they have a few Kangaroos in Austria too.

    3. Re:Location Location Location by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      A lot of phone booths are next to the road, so that people can call a cab.

      As to charging time, I would have thought they'll be more like battery swapping stations - take out your empty one, insert a charged one.

      But who knows, I'm just guessing.

    4. Re:Location Location Location by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually the austrian situation is different, the mobile phone usage is more than 100% since literally everyone has one contract and a lot of people have more than one.
      The phone boxes over the last decade have been severely reduced, some have been dedicated to internet / telephone stations...
      I think the charging is first thought as charging station for electricity powered bikes and other small vehicles.

    5. Re:Location Location Location by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      This company does not want to make a usable EV recharger network, they just want to be part of it. They want to transform what they already have into something that can make marginal money instead of costing some money.

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    6. Re:Location Location Location by Ranma-sensei · · Score: 1

      This could work, so long as they surround the car parks with a high kangaroo fence...

      Veeery funny. We Austrians have t-shirts explaining the difference because we're sick of talking ourselves black in the face.

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    7. Re:Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does that t-shirt say?
      Hitler's birthplace vs. British Concentration camp?
      Small insignificant country vs. large insignificant country?

    8. Re:Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know that I've read too many posts by the GP, but I think he's funny, and intentionally so.

      Back in the day, when I were a little sprout, I spent a summer with an uncle of mine. He has a very offbeat sense of humor, and he had me literally rolling on the floor of his pickup laughing one day through this type of humor.

      We had to stop because a train was switching cars, and the siding they were using to do this ran across the highway. We'd been sitting there a few minutes when a brakeman came walking along the railroad tracks. My uncle says, "Watch this". He calls the brakeman over to us and asks, "What's the matter? Your train broke?" That brakeman's jaw literally dropped. He stood there with his mouth hanging open. He couldn't believe what he was hearing. You could just see him thinking: Nobody could be that stupid could they?

      He started stammering about switching cars, but he was so shocked that he could barely talk. He never did figure out he was having his leg pulled while he was standing there, and I was laughing so hard I was lying on the floorboards.

      I think you guys have been had.

    9. Re:Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I know, mate. So do your counterparts in Europe.

    10. Re:Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we're sick of talking ourselves black in the face.

      FYI, that should be blue. Most people turn blue when they suffocate, not black.

    11. Re:Location Location Location by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Cry me river. ( Budapest/Bucharest )

    12. Re:Location Location Location by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Actually, here in Austria you have parking cars everywhere, so that doesn't really apply. In my area the usual time spent looking for a parking space is about 20mins, and I have a phone booth right around the corner.

      Of course, I wonder how a electric car should ever catch a parking space in this booth's general area. You'd probably have to wait for a few hours to get it, and then I'd advise against ever forfeiting the spot again.

    13. Re:Location Location Location by quenda · · Score: 1

      We Austrians have t-shirts explaining the difference because we're sick of talking ourselves black in the face.

      You actually wear those? I thought they were only for selling to amused Australian backpackers who got lost on the way to Oktoberfest.

    14. Re:Location Location Location by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      So you're saying they would make good suicide booths?

    15. Re:Location Location Location by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      There are enough issues with ATMs being modified to include skimmers - an internet transaction booth would have the same issues, except that there wouldn't be any need for the 'skimmer' to be on a visible surface.

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  5. That's thinking outside of the (glass) box by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    Its the only way I can think of getting some value out of zillions of mini 6 x 6 lots with booth enclosure and electrical feeds.

    1. Re:That's thinking outside of the (glass) box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should do what Hong Kong's PCCW did with theirs - they turned the booths into Wi-fi hotspots.

      Makes much more sense if you ask me.

  6. Re:Terrible idea. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    The kangaroos will hop into the phone boxes and be electrocuted. Just horrible.

    Better than shooting them. Bzzzzt

  7. bikes, not cars? by serps · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems more practical to recharge bikes (either electric-assisted, or motorcycles), rather than cars.

    • You can physically get a bike closer to the telephone box than you can a car.
    • You can fill a bike battery an appreciable amount in an hour, given the system's power generation constraints.
    • You can fit a bunch of charging bikes around a box with bike rack technology
    • There's thousands of bike riders in that country already, unlike the car-heavy US
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    1. Re:bikes, not cars? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well the title does say Electric Vehicle Chargers

    2. Re:bikes, not cars? by Locklin · · Score: 1

      Seems more practical to recharge bikes (either electric-assisted, or motorcycles), rather than cars.

      This would also be ideal for bike-share systems like the successful Bixi in Montreal. You need the power to run the bike dock and pay station. Some of these systems (not Bixi) also rent out pre-charged e-bikes.

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    3. Re:bikes, not cars? by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This could well be about electric bikes. A lot of those are being sold here in austria at the moment (also with government subsidies I think) and they are advertised all over the place... so my guess is that electric bikes/scooters will be widespread well before electric cars.

    4. Re:bikes, not cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      • There's thousands of bike riders in that country already, unlike the car-heavy US

      There's thousand bike riders in US as well.

  8. But where... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is Superman suppose to change if he ever visits Austria?

  9. Hope they warn the older citizens of the change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Else, they might be in for a huge shock when they walk into one of those booths and try to make a call.

    I'll be here all morning, folks!

  10. Re:Terrible idea. by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Crikey! Makes the meat tender mate!
    However mein poster, kould be wurst.

  11. electric device outlets please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Outlets to recharge a laptop or cell phone would be great too. Sometimes phone calls are *long*.
    "Yes honey, I'm at the beach. Miss you!"

    I imagine near the phone booth you could string out some cable to have outlets near park benches, and some wifi in the area would be nice.
    *waves crashing* :)

  12. Department of Redundancy Department by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Telekom Austria is a telecommunications company?

    1. Re:Department of Redundancy Department by alchemy101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some of us can't understand an Australian accent you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Department of Redundancy Department by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is Slashdot. Some people would make a serious complaint if that was left out.

  13. Where does the energy for thelectricity come from? by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

    I'm just asking...

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  14. Re:Where does the energy for thelectricity come fr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Power Plants may be. Just saying :)

  15. Re:Terrible idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Only if Austria has phone booths in the Zoo enclosures

  16. Re:Terrible idea. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only if Austria has phone booths in the Zoo enclosures

    How else would the Kangaroos get news from home?

  17. Re: troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way too obvious, you look more like an orc than a troll.

  18. Re:Where does the energy for thelectricity come fr by clemdoc · · Score: 2, Funny

    we have lots of people who carry the electrons for us. they collect them, put them in buckets and dump'em into the phone booth. no problem. most of the time, we just have the kids do that, as they seem to serve no other sensible purpose. how do you do it?

  19. Not Vehicles, gadgets is more ideal by flurdy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would prefer that we convert the phone booths to mobile phone, iPod, etc ie gadget charging stations.

    May need to offer some lockable lockers with chargers similar to what they offer at music festivals. But not sure terror / vandal paranoid people would accept that.

    I have to admit I still use phone booths, but only as a quiet place to talk on my mobile...

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    1. Re:Not Vehicles, gadgets is more ideal by fizzup · · Score: 1

      I have to admit I still use phone booths, but only as a quiet place to talk on my mobile...

      And to smell pee.

  20. Re:Terrible idea. by will_die · · Score: 1

    That or the dingo can now steal you baby and cook it.

  21. Location Location Location by mindbrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A handful of years ago I gave some thought to some business ideas that could make use of phone booths. I wondered if they could be viably transformed into secure, internet transaction booths, keeping the coin payment system as an option to CC payment. Phone booths have a high profile/key location thing going for them that's just waiting for the right entrepreneurial insight.

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  22. Re:Where does the energy for thelectricity come fr by Zedrick · · Score: 1
  23. Does She Wait With You? by justhiggy · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:Does She Wait With You? by pancompact · · Score: 1

      In case you wonder why it isn't a closed box as in the article. The old closed booths were sometimes occupied by homeless people during rain. Now it sucks.

  24. There is another possible use they should explore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suicide booths.

    What are you looking at me like that for? They'll have plenty of juice there. That way if someone going to charge their car becomes overwhelmed by the mind-numbing emptiness of their life think how convenient that would be to have a suicide booth right there. They could even leave the phones intact so that in case someone thinking of suicide has second thoughts they can call a suicide hot line and someone can talk to them and make sure that they go through with it.

    Think how beneficial it would be. It would help reduce the demands on the environment by reducing the population and the need for electricity, not to mention the positive effects it could have on traffic congestion.

  25. Re:Where does the energy for thelectricity come fr by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    From the wireline.

  26. This looks like a job for Superman by tepples · · Score: 1

    What's a phone booth?

    It's where Clark Kent gets into his real work clothes.

  27. About emissions displacement by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    areas with a lot of rich ecoloons who think electricity is "clean" because the gas, oil and coal plants making it are located out in the sticks.

    The advantage of such "emissions displacement" is that it's a lot easier to clean the emissions from one big stationary engine than thousands of mobile engines.

    1. Re:About emissions displacement by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you ignore that fossil plants will always lag 30 years behind vehicle technology because of their replacement schedules, we can all breathe unicorn farts and pixie burps.

      The internal combustion engines that currently exist are so much cleaner and more efficient than the powerplants that that currently exist that electric vehicles are an environmental nightmare.

      We can talk again in 30 years, m'kay?

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    2. Re:About emissions displacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the one big stationary steam turbine generator is almost certainly far more efficient than a bunch of internal combustion engines.

    3. Re:About emissions displacement by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The internal combustion engines that currently exist are so much cleaner and more efficient than the powerplants that that currently exist that electric vehicles are an environmental nightmare.

      You are completely and totally wrong. Internal combustion engines used in automobiles top out around 25% efficiency. Electric motors used in cars top out around 95% efficient, and they're even over 90% efficient when acting as a generator (during regenerative braking.)

      We can talk again in 30 years, m'kay?

      In thirty years, you might be right; we might be driving EVs.

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    4. Re:About emissions displacement by stupid_is · · Score: 1

      The internal combustion engines that currently exist are so much cleaner and more efficient than the powerplants that that currently exist that electric vehicles are an environmental nightmare.

      You are completely and totally wrong. Internal combustion engines used in automobiles top out around 25% efficiency. Electric motors used in cars top out around 95% efficient, and they're even over 90% efficient when acting as a generator (during regenerative braking.)

      We can talk again in 30 years, m'kay?

      In thirty years, you might be right; we might be driving EVs.

      But how efficient is the engine that was used to generate the electricity in the EV? You need to also take that into account. These folks say 31% on average, and Siemens reckons they can get 58% from a modern fossil fuel power plant.

      So, an EV running on leccy from a modern power plant is more efficient (in terms of fossil fuel usage) than a regular car (and you have the bonus of all the emissions being in one place). But an EV running on leccy from an average fossil fuel plant is about equivalent or only marginally better (and you still have that bonus of collecting emissions in one place)

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    5. Re:About emissions displacement by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      >You are completely and totally wrong. Internal combustion engines used in automobiles top out around 25% efficiency. Electric motors used in cars top out around 95% efficient, and they're even over 90% efficient when acting as a generator (during regenerative braking.)

      Uh, you forgot about the other parts of the electricy-delivery cycle:: Power plants: 35%. Distribution system: 90%. Rectifiers/chargers: 90%. Battery charging: 80%. By the time you multiply those out, you're down to about 18% efficiency, not all that different than a IC engine.

    6. Re:About emissions displacement by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Uh, you forgot about the other parts of the electricy-delivery cycle:: Power plants: 35%. Distribution system: 90%. Rectifiers/chargers: 90%. Battery charging: 80%. By the time you multiply those out, you're down to about 18% efficiency, not all that different than a IC engine.

      Modern power plants are over 40%. Distribution is 95% in the USA. Battery charging (including rectification) can be well over 95% for Li-Ion. Even without regenerative braking in most cases modern EVs beat the living shit out of even the best ICEs. The new generation of regenerative braking systems using flywheels and/or capacitors has the potential to drastically improve this for city driving, but we won't see those systems in EVs for another, uh, generation. And going forward with liquid fuels, probably the only configuration that really makes sense is a small exhaust-regenerating turbine engine with an integrated (or at least closely-coupled) generator in a series hybrid configuration, again with a next-generation system for recovering regenerative braking energy. Microturbines have the potential to easily be twice as efficient as ICEs. Chrysler successfully built and operated automotive turbine engines in the 1960s, but they were using gear reduction and mechanical drivetrains and that is a recipe for failure unless you plan to service your geartrain as often as you do a helicopter's.

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    7. Re:About emissions displacement by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      > Microturbines have the potential to easily be twice as efficient as ICEs.

      Citation needed, and I don't mean the Chevy model.

      Gas turbines have been under development now for 120 years. Efficiency flat-lined about 40 years ago, as the basic Carnot temperature and heat-exchange limits were hit. The only way to bump up efficiency would be to up the hot-section temperatures, and they're already running those within 25 degrees of the melting point of the very best alloys.

      The efficiencies you allude to are the pi-in-the-sky, in the laboratory, cost and maintenance are no object, open-loop, fixed-speed, optimum temp conditions. In the real world, turbines have less than optimal clearances, less than perfect balancing, temperature restrictions, temperature versus life restrictions, have to operate in closed-loop cycles, with variable and unpredictable power demands, and over bumpy roads and subject to dust, dirt, crosswinds across the intake, and abrupt accelerations, not to mention cost restrictions. Your basic high-tech turbine has a cost in the high tens of thousands-- never practical in a vehicle that has to leave the factory costing less than $10,000 and able to go 100,000 miles.

         

    8. Re:About emissions displacement by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The efficiencies you allude to are the pi-in-the-sky, in the laboratory, cost and maintenance are no object, open-loop, fixed-speed, optimum temp conditions.

      Let's do it over and over again until we actually get there, then. The nice thing about a series hybrid is that you can run the turbine at optimum speed.

      In the real world, turbines have less than optimal clearances, less than perfect balancing, temperature restrictions, temperature versus life restrictions, have to operate in closed-loop cycles, with variable and unpredictable power demands, and over bumpy roads and subject to dust, dirt, crosswinds across the intake, and abrupt accelerations, not to mention cost restrictions.

      There are many examples of affordable microturbines already. None of them have these efficiencies — yet. They do have numerous benefits however, not least that several of them are multifuel-capable.

      Your basic high-tech turbine has a cost in the high tens of thousands-- never practical in a vehicle that has to leave the factory costing less than $10,000 and able to go 100,000 miles.

      Most vehicles have parts with a service lifetime of less than 100,000 miles, and there's plenty of market for vehicles which cost more than $10,000 to put on the showroom floor.

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    9. Re:About emissions displacement by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      >et's do it over and over again until we actually get there, then.

      You just don't get it. There are basic thermodynamic limits. They've been pushing these limits hard at a cost of billions a year, and not making any progress for the last 40 years.

      >There are many examples of affordable microturbines already.

      Links needed. I haven't seen any for under $30,000 or under $900 / HP and none with the efficiencies you claim. A lot of the efficiency numbers quoted assume you're using the waste heat to heat hot water, like in a hot-tub showroom, and very much unlike in a vehicle.

      Nobody is able to afford a car engine that costs $900 per horsepower wholesale and has efficiency in the mid 20's.

    10. Re:About emissions displacement by Ignatius · · Score: 1

      I might also add that Austria gets almost 2/3 of its electricity by hydropower. If you recharge your car overnight, i.e. well outside peak hours, it's practically zero emmision.

      The point you brought up is true also e.g. all Austrian coil plants have desulphurization (and even sell the generated gypsum) and the gas plants are usually located in or near the city to provide community heating instead of waste heat. Neither would be possible with small decentralized units.

  28. Ahnold by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But is an Austrian accent like the Governator's any easier?

    1. Re:Ahnold by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting factoid: Arnold Schwarzenegger asked if he would be allowed to do the voice-over for the Austrian translation of The Terminator. He was denied.

      Apparently, Arnie has a somewhat colloquial accent in his home country, somewhat akin to the deep south in the US, or Norfolk in the UK. He sounds like a farmer.

      "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle" takes on an entirely different slant when you say it like a hick. Brokeback Terminator.

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    2. Re:Ahnold by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I think simple comprehensibility was more of an issue. German regional dialects are notoriously hard to understand if you speak another dialect. Some Deutchophones find Arnold's German extremely hard to follow.

      You know, when he tried out for the Terminator, it wasn't for the title role, it was for the hero. You have to wonder if he realizes just how weird his voice sounds. Which works great when he's playing an killer cyborg, of course. Whenever he's speaking in public, I keep expecting him to stop talking about the budget crisis or politics or whatever, and suddenly announce "Ahy ahm ah mahcheen!"

  29. Range of electric vehicles? by neumayr · · Score: 1

    Last I heard, electric vehicles were very limited in their range. Which doesn't seem to suit a country as large as Australia.
    Have I missed some huge jump in development?

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    1. Re:Range of electric vehicles? by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Oh, Austria. Never mind then..

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    2. Re:Range of electric vehicles? by rtz · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, but you missed an important part of the story, I'll let you find the mistake yourself.

      Hint: You're about one half of a large rotating thing wrong.

    3. Re:Range of electric vehicles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 miles on an 8 hour charge is I believe pretty standard now. At least for a moderately fuel efficient vehicle (22 MPG, 15 Gal Tank) that is equivalent to 1/3 of a tank of gas. I doubt even in Australia there are too many people who blow through 1/3 of a tank of gas on their daily commute. And assuming their electric costs are close to US rates, saving ~$4.4 "Per Gallon" (USD, $0.75 "Per Gallon" Electric, $5.20 GAL Gas) would be WELL WORTH the inconvenience of renting a car for a long weekend trip. Of course plug in hybrids would even eliminate this need but from what I understand car companies are dragging their feet in providing them.

  30. Re:Where does the energy for thelectricity come fr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Call Centres, staffed by the unemployed, criminals and retired folk will be employed to call the phone boxes constantly to maintain a 50-75 volt DC ringing signal down the line.

  31. But wait! by gman003 · · Score: 1

    Where will Superman change his costume?

  32. The word will get a new meaning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Finland long-distance trains have phone booths without phones and maybe the trend will spread. They're booths with amplifiers so that you can get a better signal when the train is in areas with poor coverage, which is the case in some areas on the countryside. Privacy is of course also a benefit but the most important one is that your fellow passengers don't need to listen to "what? can you repeat that?, say again...". The latter is such a benefit that I wouldn't mind if phone use was only permitted in the booths.

  33. Let's check the numbers... by Firethorn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm not a statistician, but as a check on numbers:
    Population, Australia: 21,431,800 (2009)
    Number of Vehicles registered: 15,674,436
    Percent of Vehicles compared to population: 73%
    Population growth: 1.69%
    Pop in 2020: 25.3M, est
    Cars in 2020: 18.5M, est
    Estimated % electric cars, according to their estimate: 2.2%

    I'll note that my quick growth check means that there will be something like 2.8 Million additional cars on the road in 2020, which means that only 14% of GROWTH would be in electric vehicles.

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  34. A Really Bad Idea by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    I don't know about Austria, but in the UK phone kiosks (booths) are mostly positioned at busy road junctions where they are most visible and accessible. OK in the olden days when they were first placed because there was not much traffic and you could stop a car anywhere.

    Now their positioning is a pain. You would not be allowed to park near most of them for yellow lines and standing rules against parking near junctions, and even if you did, or they made a dispensation for car charging, you would start a traffic jam and road rage with the obstruction you caused. And how long will a charge take and so your obstruction last?

    And when you do/did use them as phone booths you could hardly hear a thing because there would be heavy traffic outside including boy racers on motorbikes blipping their throttle as they waited at the traffic lights, although that is beside the point now.

    Chargers need to be in car parks. If some jerk runs out of juice between home and a car park, let him call the AA to tow him away - he will be got out of the way quicker.

  35. Doh!!! by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    I'm an idiot. Austria != Australia.

    Please excuse me, I need caffeine.

    Corrected figures:
    Population, Austria: 8,336,926 (2008)
    Percent of Vehicles compared to population: 55.8%
    Number of vehicles: 4.65M
    Population growth: .434%
    Pop in 2020: 8.7M, est
    Cars in 2020: 4.86M, est
    Estimated % electric cars, according to their estimate: 8.3%

    Even reworked for Austria, that's not actually all that many electric cars.

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    1. Re:Doh!!! by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      I think you missed their point. They were saying that it was an overinflated figure it was the fact that they were providing a figure with too much precision.

    2. Re:Doh!!! by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      weren't*

    3. Re:Doh!!! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

      I'm an idiot. Austria != Australia.

      Dubya, it's a dubyous honour to see you here on Slashdot.

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    4. Re:Doh!!! by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Lack of caffine plus looking for an opportunity to stick the numbers in.

      But yeah, 3 significant digits for a guess on the number of a specific type of car 10 years in the future?

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  36. here in big-city, usa ... by sl0ppy · · Score: 1

    we've done something similar: we've converted rarely used phone booths into thriving restrooms.

  37. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    same thing planned in spain too
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/08/electric-car-plan-spain

    Some 30 telephone boxes have been earmarked to form part of a test network of 546 state-subsidised recharging points in Madrid, Barcelona and Seville.

    Phone boxes are often ideally placed close to the curbs of pavements and already have their own electricity supply, making them relatively easy to adapt.

    The Spanish government will spend €10m (£8.7m) on kick-starting the use of electric cars over the next two years, with €1.5m going on recharging points. Madrid city council said that telephone boxes were a possibility, but that it was still in the process of identifying the recharging spots it planned to build.