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North Korea Announces Achieving Nuclear Fusion

aftertaf writes "North Korea claims to have achieved nuclear fusion by building what it describes as a 'unique thermo-nuclear reaction device.' This announcement was met by skepticism on just about every news website this side of Saturn. Pyongyang claims its latest scientific breakthrough coincides with the birthday of the country's founder and eternal president Kim Il-sung. This is not the first time it seems that the laws of nature have been bent in his honor. According to official biographies, when his son, Kim Jong-il, was born, a new star appeared in the sky." No doubt the Dear Leader combined the atomic nuclei by hand.

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  1. In related news by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Funny

    The mothers of both Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons received Mother's Day card from their sons postmarked Pyongyang.

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    1. Re:In related news by daem0n1x · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I read an interview of a British researcher that has been studying North Korea for decades and has been there several times. He says that North Korea is actually a fascist country. Their system is based on an almost religious cult for the Dear Leader and racist belief in the superiority of the Korean race. Communism is only in outgoing propaganda. They carefully craft some propaganda in Korean only for their own use, and a different one in English to show to the world.

      I wish I could post a link to the interview, I can't remember it. Very interesting, it made my chin fall a few times.

    2. Re:In related news by zaffir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is this it, or related? I just googled the first sentence of your post.

      http://newledger.com/2009/10/fascism-stalinism-and-north-koreas-destiny/

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  2. Why is Kim Jong IL... by Erythros · · Score: 4, Funny

    Always impersonating that guy from MAD TV??

  3. It's Cold Fusion! by billstewart · · Score: 2, Funny

    We know North Korea hasn't released any very hot vaporware lately, so obviously they've perfected Cold Fusion!

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    1. Re:It's Cold Fusion! by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was just going to say, why is this on "idle?" This is HUGE news!

  4. Not a star ... by PhxBlue · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was actually an American spy satellite parked in geosynchronous orbit over North Korea. Wave for the cameras, Kim!

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    1. Re:Not a star ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ROR!!!

  5. Fusion isn't hard. by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could build the equipment yourself.

    Getting more energy out of fusion than you put in... that's the hard part.

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    1. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      This was my thought--so what if they did? We did it more than 50 years ago, the Teller-Ulam designed warhead dates to 1951. Fusing two atoms is trivial.

      Hey, let's not burden the journalists with dry facts.

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    2. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by RsG · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it just takes a fission to get the fuse lit...

      Not even. Read the GP's wiki link for a description of a "Farnsworth fusor" (not the Farnsworth you're thinking of, but rather his namesake). Making fusion reactions occur is trivially easy, to the point where there exists at least one hobbyist who's made a fusor in his basement. Betcha that's what NK has built, and the claim of it being a "unique thermo-nuclear reaction device" was likely tacked on by some lackey in the propaganda department. Again, old news in the fusion world, as fusors aren't useful for much other than proof of concept.

      Getting a net gain in energy with a fusion reaction? Hard. The only way we've done it to date is in a thermonuclear warhead, and I guarantee Pyongyang doesn't have one of those yet, since they've had enough trouble getting basic fission bombs built.

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    3. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fusors actually do have practical uses. Fusors have been used commercially as a compact neutron source that can be turned on or off easily. Note that the other commercial neutron sources of a similar sort actually also use fusion. They work by using a linear accelerator to collide deuterium and tritium.

    4. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your stupid Earth mind cannot conceive power of Kim Il Sung Juche Physics.

      Unless you send FIVE (5) million tonnes of rice, TEN POINT TWO (10.2) million tonnes of kimchi, FIFTY FOUR POINT SIX (54.6) million tonnes of ramen now you will be destroyed by my Solanite bombs.

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    5. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually at the next press announcement they are going to show the actual device, but they have to wait for it to rise first.

    6. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by RsG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah, they wouldn't be that subtle. Recall that they made a big fuss over "we have the bomb now", only to have their first actual test detonation fizzle.

      Besides, if they were testing H-bombs, there would be third party confirmation. They cannot set off a nuke, never mind a big nuke, without setting off seismic detectors from India to California.

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    7. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also possible they've assembled one of Bussard's whiffleball fusors. Not tremendously complicated, and if you threw a couple hundred million at it (assuming the theory behind it were correct) you might get a practical reactor.

    8. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by Zediker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, the Polywell reactor is a very interesting concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell (even has pictures)

      pictures of it in action: http://www.emc2fusion.org/

      It will be interesting what there results are next year when its completed in April 2011.

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    9. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by monoi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, that's also possible. In theory, it could even be done without a fission primary.

      Now, doing it in a controlled and sustained way, that's a bit more difficult.

    10. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. And also, it's isn't natural for you to harbour such thoughts about your mother. Seriously, you need therapy.

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    11. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was going to say, why is everyone laughing this off? It's very unlikely to be true. But we seem to be laughing at it because "our scientists are obviously better than their scientists."

      Yes, it's probably BS. But it isn't BS until it is disproven. And yes, there isn't anything there to disprove right now. And sure, we haven't been able to achieve net positive fusion yet. Net negative fusion is pretty easy. I wouldn't expect useful fusion to be achieved by the old methods. I would expect it to come from unexpected approaches. And honestly, I would expect unexpected approaches from China, Brazil, North Korea, Russia, or somewhere that has less to lose by the untraditional, and who has the need to improvise around a lack of equipment. That doesn't mean it's likely to succeed.

      I don't know. Just because it's probably BS doesn't mean it deserves derision and dismissal. Is there a term for "nation-ism"? "part-of-the-world-ism"?

    12. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Extraordinary claims require at least some evidence.....

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    13. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      “Useless energy” is best illustrated by what you just expended by typing that rant.

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    14. Re:Fusion isn't hard. by WNight · · Score: 4, Funny

      HELLO

      We name is PRINCE WUNDAI, my family is ONE OF the largest farmer in Nigeria. Father was captured by Warlord who is trying to steal our family fortune. To secure our family, decided we are to looking for a country we can trust to help us smuggle the grain to a safe location.

      We picked your country, NORTH KOREA, because of your honest reputation. We'd like to offer you 50% (HALF) of the grain for your help in securing the rest against warlords and USA aggression.

      The grain is packed on ships, waiting on the name of a port to deliver it to.

      We need only small bribes for the Somalian pirates to let our ships pass, and we will be on our way.

      Please help us, KIM JONG IL

  6. Duke Nukem Forever Released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In North Korea, anything is possible.

  7. In other news... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, power in Pyongyang will only be available from 5:00 - 7:00 PM this week in celebration of the achievement.

    1. Re:In other news... by Spaham · · Score: 5, Funny

      you mean : in celebration of the achievement, power WILL be available from 5:00 - 7:00 PM this week !!

    2. Re:In other news... by khallow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Copious and plentiful electric power is always available. Only enemies of our glorious leader would say otherwise. Please step outside and shout "I'm a capitalist sympathizer" until dawn so that our efficient protectors of society can find and bring you to justice.

  8. He is small enough to do it. by ad454 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No doubt the Dear Leader combined the atomic nuclei by hand.

    No doubt that he is small enough to have done it.

  9. Doesn't the star count by SloWave · · Score: 5, Funny

    I figured he would have took credit for creating fusion when that new star appeared when his son was born.

  10. Already done by aBaldrich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In 1949 one of the several nazi leaders that fled to Argentina claimed to have achieved nuclear fussion. The president, a fascist who welcomed Mengele and Eichman, was not stupid, and a couple of months later he called a group of argentinian scientists back from europe to open an investigation, which led to the end of the project and the beginning of real atomic research.

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  11. Where does he find the time? by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought the dear leader was busy flying fighter jets, memorizing phone books, breaking golf records, and leading the NBA in rebounding.

    If he can do nuclear fusion as well, then perhaps his talents truly are limitless.

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  12. Don't Discriminate! by notommy · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> This announcement was met by skepticism on just about every news website this side of Saturn.
    Sure! Make it sound like we on the other side of Saturn will believe anything. That's planetism sir!

    1. Re:Don't Discriminate! by localman57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But at some point, shouldn't all the planets be on this side of Saturn? That is, if Saturn is on one side of the sun, and all the other planets happen to be on the other? This should eventually happen if none of their orbits is a multiple of another.

    2. Re:Don't Discriminate! by Colourspace · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, next they'll be telling us Jupiters lost one of its rings. Pfffft.

    3. Re:Don't Discriminate! by sockonafish · · Score: 2, Informative

      Technically it's hemispherism.

    4. Re:Don't Discriminate! by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Half of it must be. And if you don't look, the probability wave of which half it is won't collapse, so the two halves are equally on the other side.

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    5. Re:Don't Discriminate! by Convector · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed right now all the planets (in our Solar System) are on this side of Saturn. Of course, only two of these can ever be on the far side of it from us. That's right, I'm not counting Pluto as a planet.

  13. What if.. by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For some reason I can't help but think that it would be hilarious and kind of scary if everyone chuckles a bit at this and in a couple of months news reports come in saying that for some strange reason the long-running North Korean energy crisis seems to have been solved...

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    1. Re:What if.. by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Had they wanted to, they would have a long time ago,

      In point of fact, they did a long time ago.

  14. Low tech but effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The breakthrough was made with a hammer and a small amount of nitroglycerin. The reaction released a great deal of energy and as soon as they can aford a new hammer they hope to continue testing.

  15. It's just kimchi and soju . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

    . . . eat and drink enough of that, and your breath can cause nuclear fusion.

    . . . and you don't even want to know about "The Day After" . . .

    . . . that picture is not a fake . . . Mr. Kim has just "let one rip" . . .

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  16. Re:Now a credible threat to the west. by sznupi · · Score: 2

    I don't seem to remember many examples when the lack of "clean cheap bountiful energy" stopped people from breeding...

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  17. Re:Now a credible threat to the west. by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'd have to figure out how to grow food first.

  18. Star at birth by schmidt349 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In ancient Greece and Rome, it wasn't unusual for someone to claim either that a new star appeared in the sky to herald a great person's birth or that they became a star following their death. This latter claim is known as catasterism and was pretty popular from the time of the Hellenistic kings to the Julio-Claudian dynasty at Rome.

    Catasterism is a frequent subject on coin portraits, with a star positioned about the portrait of the ruler. There is a very famous series of coins depicting Augustus fastening a star above the head of Marcellus, the man he had hoped would succeed him.

    Of course the import of all of this is that, as with so much else, North Korea is about 2,000 years behind the times.

  19. North Korean energy solution by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, North Korea has already done an amazing job of keeping down energy use. By restricting electricity to a handful of elites and starving everyone else, they've been able to reduce their carbon footprint to almost nothing. Just look at the results. Glorious leader has produced a much more efficient country than that wasteful South Korea!

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  20. Cool! I'm getting a home unit. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2, Funny

    They *laughed* when I said my Christmas decorations would wow them this year!

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  21. Re:Microsoft Announces Achieving by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, in NK it's "Word To Your Motherland."

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  22. Re:Nuclear Fusion the new softdrink by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just out of curiosity, what part of "No peasants are starving, our economy is great, everyone else in the world envies/fears us, and by the way we just perfected nuclear fusion!" is a *mild* hallucination?

  23. Corrigendum by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

    Upon consultation with actual Koreans, it turns out that the original press release said that North Korea had "nuked a Frusion".

    The BBC apologizes for this error.

  24. North Korea is BEST KOREA! by Improv · · Score: 3, Funny

    How could we doubt someone with sunglasses that are so cool?

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  25. Some may call it a small thermonuclear reactor .. by burni2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I call it H-BOMB

  26. Re:Nuclear Fusion the new softdrink by sqldr · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's fusion alright.

    They've managed to fuse horseshit with bullshit, and now they're feeding it to the starving masses!

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  27. Re:Parked? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In principle, any orbit with a period equal to the Earth's rotational period is technically geosynchronous; however, the term is often used to refer to the special case of a geosynchronous orbit that is circular (or nearly circular) and at zero (or nearly zero) inclination, that is, directly above the equator. This is customarily called a geostationary orbit.

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  28. What *Are* They Doing in N Korea? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A few years ago N Korea detonated a gigantic explosion that it claimed was nuclear (fission). Now it's claiming controlled fusion.

    These claims are impossible to believe, since N Korea lies about so much. But it did demonstrate a gigantic explosion. What in fact is going on there in N Korea?

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    1. Re:What *Are* They Doing in N Korea? by localman57 · · Score: 2

      Maybe I missed one, but wasn't it only gigantic for small values of gigantic?

  29. Re:Parked? by init100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, that would make it a bit too conspicuous to be a good spy satellite.

    In addition, even the ultra-high-resolution cameras in spy satellites would probably not be of that much use from geostationary orbit (GEO), since GEO is very far away (~36,000 km). Spy satellites are likely put in a polar Low Earth Orbit (LEO) at approx. 200 km altitude. This gives much more detailed images, and also allows the satellite to cover the entire Earth without spending any fuel.

  30. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know this is going to offend some people, but since most of the mythology around Jesus Christ is already borrowed from other mythological traditions, I expect that this is the origin of the Star of Bethlehem that is supposed to have appeared over Joshua Bar Joseph's birthplace when he was born. It would make sense for early Christians to have borrowed this story as well if it would help make their religion more popular with the Romano-Graecian population in the near east.

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  31. Fusion is easy. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Informative

    Note that experimenters have built Tokamaks and achieved fusion. Fusion is easy. Getting more power out than is put in is difficult.

    1. Re:Fusion is easy. by DarkSabreLord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      that's actually not that difficult at all. Hydrogen bombs are uncontrolled fusion in action. Now, producing usable energy, however...

    2. Re:Fusion is easy. by Sperbels · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that's actually not that difficult at all. Hydrogen bombs are uncontrolled fusion in action. Now, producing usable energy, however...

      Well, according to the BBC article it says they build a "unique thermo-nuclear reaction device". Technically, NK could be referring to a hydrogen bomb.

    3. Re:Fusion is easy. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got my own fusion reactor. I recover energy from it with photovoltaic cells on the top of my house.

  32. Re:Now a credible threat to the west. by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think he missed a few words in there, but what he meant was:

    Overpopulation is a pretext for racists to advocate “population control” whereby they hope to address the poverty that breeds itself, particular in certain segments of the population who cannot seem to keep their legs closed. This is all supported with arguments such as follows:

    It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them. Herein lies the key of civilization. For upon the foundation of an enlightened and voluntary motherhood shall a future civilization emerge.

    Aww, hell. I’m forgetting where I am. I should’ve just said she was strongly against masturbation...

    In my experience as a trained nurse while attending persons afflicted with various and often revolting diseases, no matter what their ailments, I have never found any one so repulsive as the chronic masturbator. It would be difficult not to fill page upon page of heartrending confessions made by young girls, whose lives were blighted by this pernicious habit, always begun so innocently, for even after they have ceased the habit, they find themselves incapable of any relief in the natural act. [...] Perhaps the greatest physical danger to the chronic masturbator is the inability to perform the sexual act naturally.

    Now most of Slashdot will be up in arms, I’m sure.

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  33. Re:In other top stories... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uhm, a crime against all sentient life in the Universe?

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  34. "offend some people." Ya think? by jeko · · Score: 2, Funny

    The second-most popular Christmas story after Santa Claus was nonsense PR spin?

    Gee, why leave it half done? Got any gay porn starring Mohammed you'd like to post? :-)

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    1. Re:"offend some people." Ya think? by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I’m a Christian, and I wasn’t offended.

      I think he’s incorrect, but I’m not offended by his theory.

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  35. This just in by damnfuct · · Score: 2, Funny

    The design uses Duke Nukem Forever as an operating system..

  36. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or, perhaps God planned it on purpose exactly like that, so that the “magi from the East” would recognise Jesus’ birth and come to worship him, fulfilling prophecies such as Isaiah 60:3.

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  37. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Obviously, he would have used a sign that pagan astrologers would recognise as the birth of a king. Hence, the star.)

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  38. Re:Thermo Nuclear Device by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  39. Beloved Leader orders atoms to meld! by swschrad · · Score: 3, Funny

    As all universe obeys Beloved Leader, atoms fused, creating clean, pure energy with no neutrons, no MSG, and no trans-fats.

    Wonderful new creation for used in distillation of brandy.

    -- babelfish from Nut Korean World News

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  40. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by turgid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why did God make the half-lives of U-238 and U-235 just so?

  41. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why did you feel it necessary to bring up a completely unrelated topic just to mock my belief in God?

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  42. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by turgid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought you were joking about god deliberately putting the star there for the benefit of the pagan astrologers. Sorry.

  43. a note to north korea by gamecrusader · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dear North Korea
    please invest your time an energy in this new science but don't take any safety precautions, because hopefully you will destroy yoursleves and in the process set of a elctromagnetic pulse that will fry your electronics in all, please continue so we can watch you destroy yourselves, and give a reason for us to destroy your. making you a threat to the world giving everyone a reason to blow you to kingdom come.

    yours sincerely,
    Game Crusader

  44. Re:Thus the star over Bethlehem then by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, actually I was serious.

    Isa. 60 is a passage which is a messianic prophecy. Like many messianic prophecies from the Old Testament, it does not clearly differentiate between the first coming of Jesus as a baby and his return in glory and his reign as predicted in Revelation, but it’s not too difficult to see where it switches over. Verses 1-3 refer to his birth:

    “Arise, shine, for your light has come,
    and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.

    See, darkness covers the earth
    and thick darkness is over the peoples,
    but the LORD rises upon you
    and his glory appears over you.

    Nations will come to your light,
    and kings to the brightness of your dawn.

    The magi, or kings, who came from the East, are considered by some to be a fulfillment of the prophecy in that last verse.

    Like I said elsewhere... I’m not offended by his theory, but I do think it is incorrect, and I figured I might as well post an alternate theory from a Christian perspective. Take it for whatever you feel it’s worth.

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