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Russian Man Aims To Reinvent "Taser" Technology
Lanxon writes "A Russian man is hoping to overhaul the technology within Taser-type weapons — transforming them from single-shot, short-range devices that stun for a few seconds, into more effective long-range, rapid-fire weapons — by modifying the wires and the type of shock they generate, reports Wired. Non-lethal weapon developer Oleg Nemtyshkin's design uses bare wires, rather than the insulated wires favored by Taser and other stun gun makers. These wires weigh only about one sixteenth as much as insulated wire, providing less drag on the darts and improved accuracy. Nemtyshkin demonstrated his bare wire technology with a prototype – 'Legionary" — in 2001. His latest version is the S5, and a video of the weapon in action shows it firing repeatedly — almost as fast as the trigger can be pulled."
...to humanity.
Might be beneficial as long as it doesn't fall into the (probably fair large) demographic of not entirely pathological serious criminals (i.e. those who intend only to stun rather than kill, as an end or a means to other crimes). Plus, this would be mostly applicable to users who were at risk of being shot or tasered themselves. The closer range taser would work well enough at close range for the rest. Feels there's a serious risk of this falling into the ASBO crowd for lulz...
Mobs will be led by people with carbon fibre jacket liners and helmets. Innocent people will get killed. Given the ability of our own police to shoot innocent electricians, guys carrying chair legs, and kill innocent bystanders in demonstrations, presumably pour decourager les autres, this thing is bad news for civil liberties and brings closer the risk of retaliation against the police. It sounds to me like a perfect "unintended consequences" weapon.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
"His latest version is the S5, and a video of the weapon in action shows it firing repeatedly — almost as fast as the trigger can be pulled."
I'm half-blind at the moment, could anyone point me to the video?
Although I think the technology is a bit interesting, I shrug every time I hear about these so-called non lethal weapons. In my head that translates into it is not lethal, so there is less of a barrier before it gets used (and from what I can hear these electroshock weapons are pretty dangerous after all anyway). I know culture is different in the USA, where the police carry guns. I live in Norway though, where law enforcement officers generally don't carry guns (!), except when they move out on criminals that are known to be armed. In the rare cases where they do use pepper spray, it sparks up debate in the newspapers. If they shoot someone, that definitily gets some attention. Electroshock weapons are not used here. The net result seems to be a non-violent society, where people feel they can walk amongst law enorcement officers without feeling alienated because they carry weapons of some sort.
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Oh, I KNOW! I'll make it rapid-firing!
(Needs more dakka.)
Punk : Dials 911 ... Annoying Ring Tone ... boom chicka wah wah ...
911 Operator : 911 what is your emergency...
Punk : Can you forward me to the cop chasing me!?!?!?
911 Operator : Sure. One moment..
Cop Answers : Wh, who is this?
Punk : Don't tase me bro!
Good is never enough, when you dream of being great!
Riding motorbikes was not illegal in Germany. I suggest you point us to the precise bit of the German criminal code.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
...Russian sharks with FRICKING TASER BEAMS in their heads!
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Of course it will immediately be adopted across police departments because as we all know tasers are perfectly safe. It is interesting to note when officers fire their pistols, they continue firing until the ammo is depleted. There is no reason to believe this practice won't continue with semi-automatic taser guns because many taser deaths were due to multiple hits from several officers. Of course these occurred because the suspect would not stop flailing about on the ground due to being repeatedly hit with electricity (officers refer to this as resisting). That is merely the unfortunate side effect of electricity causing involuntary muscle contractions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuXR0F6ZQzc
Camping on quad since 1996.
most murders here are affection murders (in lack of a good translation)
This sort of thing translates best as a country song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVFbvePbD8
(Even if you don't normally like country music, this one's hilarious.)
Space game using normal deck of cards: http://BattleCards.org
...tase me, comrade
I sat down to write a new sig tonight and all I did was make the chair warm.
Why would you want to bring them back? Isn't Putin close enough? And besides, I thought the Bolsheviks killed the last one of them.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
Tasers are also lethal. I can shoot someone in the leg with a firearm and they may or may not die. The bullet might just hit some fat and muscle and do a clean exit, or I could just hit a major artery and they can bleed out. With a taser, I could blast someone and they end up being fine, but if they suffer from something like atrial-fibrillation, I can throw them right into ventricular fibrillation and they die. Tasers might not be as lethal as guns, but calling them "non-lethal" isn't really right also. As matter of fact it probably does more harm than good calling them "non-lethal". Constantly pushing the "non-lethal" description means officers are more out to deploy tasers without really thinking of what could happen.
Am I the only one that is seeing a quick progression towards a police state fueled largely by corporate interests and technological advances? I'm predicting a rise in "domestic terrorism" directed towards those in government. Luckily we have all these new laws to stop "domestic terrorism." I mean sure, we're giving up our constitutional rights without pause to be safe from terrorists, but who are the real terrorists? Those who invade and occupy foreign countries with the blood and money of the general population and redirect all profits towards multinational corporations? Those who bring us decades of class warfare in the "War on Drugs?" Those who masquerade as populist reformers who are really just manipulating the perceptions of their actions and doing entirely contrary actions? We have millions in prison, huge debt, legal corruption running rampant, undemocratic elections (I don't consider elections decided by the number of dollars you can get from corporations to be democratic), and so on. :(
'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.' - Mao Tse-tung
This is a thinly veiled attempt by the Russians take down Tony Stark again.
Another TOY for the police to abuse...
How unfortunate for citizens of the world
How are the physics, will the two (light uninsulated) wires attract or repel each other?
- electrostatic = attract
- magnetic ?
My tags for this story.
I'd rather get shot with a semi automatic taser than any type of firearm.
Anyway, I think it's a great invention. It's not really making it any more dangerous because single shot tasers can still have electricity applied repeatedly assuming their one shot hits. Adding multiple shots mostly adds accuracy. I know from experience that it's easy to dodge a single shot from close range if you move erratically and play mind games with the shooter (mock combat, before anybody freaks out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtgard). Till someone invents something safer, tasers are a good option and this looks like a promising improvement on the technology.
They have 12 gauge self contained units. " look mom, no wires "
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Such a lighting whip could not only allow you to cut cars in half, but also the super human strength to throw the cars and protection against injury.
They are considered "less then lethal" since even a punch can kill you in the wrong situation.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The "result" of unarmed police is a non-violent society?
of everything is bullshit. ;():
"I'd rather be hit with a tazer then a 40cal any day."
What's that, a 9mm? Of course you'd rather be hit by a tazer than a 40cal! Bullets: 25% chance/death, 30%/chance perm.damage (Red Cross figures)
Tazer: "Although the company spins it otherwise, Taser-associated deaths are definitely on the rise. In 2001, Amnesty International documented three Taser-associated deaths. The number has steadily increased each year, peaking at 61 in 2005. So far almost 50 deaths have occurred in 2006, for an approximate total of 200 deaths in the last five years." Not very save at all, it would seem, but better odds than any bullet.
"Nothing is 100% safe," agreed
"and besides 99.999% of the time you did something to warrant getting hit, so its your own damned fault if you die."
That's just utter bollocks. "friendly fire","mistaken identity","weapon system error","overzealous operator", i could go on, i seriously think a more realistic figure would be 25% of the time you did something to warrant getting hit.
(and yes i've been in the army and handled many different weapons).
Some food for thought on how these systems are going to be used (on us
http://trueslant.com/allisonkilkenny/2010/03/07/normalizing-the-police-state-and-how-it-ends-with-taser-firing-drones/
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
One of the Nautilus men gave me a simple gun, the butt end of which, made of steel, hollow in the centre, was rather large. It served as a reservoir of compressed air, which a valve, worked by a spring, allowed to escape into a metal tube. A box of projectiles in a groove in the thickness of the butt end contained about twenty of these electric balls, which, by means of a spring, were forced into the barrel of the gun. As soon as one shot was fired, another was ready.
We've been waiting for it much longer than flying cars, but Captain Nemo's pulse rifle is finally coming to market (well, probably).
Nemtyshkin's next project, the Leyden Gun, will deliver a short shock with lasting effects. The Leyden Gun is the size of a paintball rifle, with a magazine of thirty rounds. The projectiles are simple needles rather than elaborate barbed darts, as they do not stick to the target but administer a single jolt from a high-voltage capacitor.
On the other hand...
[A]nd finally, it was he who had killed the convicts with the electric balls, of which he possessed the secret, and which he had employed in the chase of submarine creatures.
Admittedly, some of the precedents are a bit ominous.
So, where can I preorder one of these?
Interesting to see this pop up on Slashdot on my return from watching Iron Man 2. You wouldn't have a chance to say, "dont tase me bro."
....with these kinds of weapons is that they rely on connected electrodes to deliver the shock. If they are serious on creating something like a multi-shot, rapid fire, Taser type weapon, then it seems somewhat obvious that the technology being explored for remote power transmission would make this far more effective.
Of course, you can complain about the ethicality of such devices all you like, doesn't change the fact that there are others out there who won't give a damn about moral considerations, and who WILL use such things in any case. Some such people are even in positions of authority in many parts of the world, even in supposedly "enlightened" democratic societies.
Tony Stark had a hard enough time dealing with one crazy Russian weilding electrically charged weapons...do we really want this mass-produced?? And furthermore I find it odd that this story has been up for this long, and I'm the first one to make an Iron Man 2 reference....
I'd have modded you up, but you're already at +5. So, I'll add an anecdote as extension to your "the suspect would not stop flailing about on the ground due to being repeatedly hit with electricity (officers refer to this as resisting)".
I was watching a video on YouTube of a Taser being used in an arrest (under questionable circumstances, but that's not the point). The person was being uncooperative to the point of becoming dangerous, so the officer Tased him. Naturally, the person falls to the ground. The officer instructs him to put his hands on his head. He's can't comply, having just been Tased, so the officer tells him again. He's still can't quite control himself to do it, so... the officer Tases him again, and again tells him to put his hands on his head. Well, he was just Tased, so obviously he can't, so the officer Tases him a third time!
I can't even begin to find the video, unfortunately. I was watching it over the shoulder of my Computer Tech teacher last year (who, incidentally, used to be a cop, and said he didn't see anything wrong with the officer's conduct).
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I dun saw it in a dream I done have after I wuz probed!
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If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
> Non-lethal weapon developer
Tacit in the text is that a taser is non lethal. Tasers have killed people, thus, this class of weapon is known as less-lethal, a term of art.
"In tests on animals they have shown that with the right sort of electrical pulse (frequency appears to be the key), a shock lasting less than a hundredth of a second causes an electroconvulsive reaction that knocks the animal out for 20 seconds."
Does anybody have any more information on this new type of more incapacitating shock?
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Police not carrying guns almost certainly does the number of criminals carrying guns (though not necessarily the number of criminals).
Scenario 1: you're about to commit a burglary and you know that the local police don't carry guns. If you get caught, the sentence is much longer just for carrying a gun. Pull a gun out, threaten the police with it and the sentence is much longer. Pull a gun out and you add the risk that an armed unit will be called who will potentially shoot you.
Scenario 2: you're about to commit a burglary and the local police carry guns. Whether you carry a gun or not, if the police arrive they will almost certainly point those guns at you.
Assuming that you don't want to be caught, in the first scenario you're more likely to learn how to run quickly than carry a gun.
The other day I had the idea that I'd moved to a foreign country without knowing it, one where it was legitimate, indeed praiseworthy, for the police to carry electrotorture devices and use them on innocent people.
I predict an American Hero Police Officer will take on the Evil Russian Police Officer, who, after having created the taser technology from blueprints co-worked by our hero's and villain's fathers, will seek unmitigated revenge on Hero Police Officer and his friends. Perhaps we could call it FerriteBatteryMan.
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