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Telcos Waking Up To the Value of Your Location

holy_calamity writes "Cell phone networks represent probably the most effective data collectors of all time: almost everyone's movements and communications are logged in some way by these firms thanks to the ubiquity of cell phones. Now they're beginning to wake up to the value of that data, as researchers mine call records to study travel and social patterns at previously unimaginable scales. Not surprisingly, some are thinking about how to monetize that data, too."

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  1. Value by anarche · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did someone say cheaper phone calls??

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    1. Re:Value by Akido37 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did someone say cheaper phone calls??

      Yes, cheaper phone calls are why they're doing this. And with all that extra money you'll save, I have this great bridge in Brooklyn you should really check out.

    2. Re:Value by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SMS charges are absolutely ludicrous.

      It amazes me that telcos can get away with charging so much for such a minimally network-intensive service.

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    3. Re:Value by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just wished the iPhone and Android let me have a background easy scripting language like python.

      It's what I missed when I finally had to switch away from the Nokia platform. Being able to write a small script that sent a position update to MY SERVER every 5 minutes.

      It was cool to see the lights come on and the garage door open when I pulled in the driveway and got off the bike. It was typically a 2.5 minute delay from when I pulled in the driveway and when the system detected I was home from the gps reporting to activate everything. Perfect timing as I then had my helmet off, took off the jacket and unstrapped the backpack from the seat.

      Come on Google and Apple, let us do cool stuff with our phones!

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    4. Re:Value by Steve+S · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here you go:
      http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/

      "Scripts can be run interactively in a terminal, in the background, or via Locale. Python, Perl, JRuby, Lua, BeanShell, JavaScript, Tcl, and shell are currently supported"

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    5. Re:Value by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually a 5 minute delay. I only would transmit every 5 minutes to keep the battery life nearly the same as it was without the script running. and 2.5 minutes is less than the time it took for me to do what I needed in the driveway to get off the bike, etc.. worked great and was highly practical. Some days it all happened as I turned into the drive, others it would take about 3 minutes. I almost never had to wait for it. (except when the internet was down at home and it did not get updates.)

      if I did an update every 2.5 seconds my cellphone battery would be dead in 3 hours as it would be in a constant data transfer mode.

      Plus my trigger radius is somewhat large. IT's easy from the data to detect if I am headed home by position updates and location. so making smarter decisions on the data I can extrapolate my intentions and make the trigger radius bigger thus minimizing the delay when I get to the garage.

      Although I am a laid back guy. Waiting a minute is nothing to me, some people freak out and go on a rampage when they have to wait 1 second. A buddy of mine is like that.. I love torturing him by making him wait all the time.

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  2. "Value Added" by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My guess is that the companies will try to charge their customers more for "location based services," and also charging the companies that use location data to actually provide those "services."

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    1. Re:"Value Added" by siloko · · Score: 5, Funny

      My guess is they sell this data to the corrupt motherfuckers who are running our country so they know exactly where any miscreants are as soon as the do something remotely questionable! Bastards! Wait . . . there's someone at the door . . . I'll be right b

    2. Re:"Value Added" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Target 1133863 has been eliminated for non-compliance.

    3. Re:"Value Added" by eth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's too late.

      I have a police/fire scanner, and I regularly hear them talking about "pinging" cell phones, and "Unit XYZ, welfare concern, stage 2 cell phone hang up in the area of blah blah blah...", etc.

    4. Re:"Value Added" by dwandy · · Score: 3, Funny

      at least they were kind enough to submit the incomplete post to /. before elimination.

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  3. Maybe we should charge them? by casings · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If government subsidized telcos want to use my data to make money, I think I will charge them for it. After all what travels on their tubes isn't their data, otherwise they couldn't be labeled common carriers.

    1. Re:Maybe we should charge them? by ScaredOfTheMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell that to the Credit Reporting Bureaus that use your data to make money. My money says Telco will simply see this as gravy, and not pass along any of the financial benefit to the customer.

  4. Re:This has already been done before... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm pretty sure this will fall afoul of some existing law regarding wiretapping or some such. Unless, of course, the customer opts in, or fails to opt out.

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  5. prepaid is the way to go for privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you care at all about your privacy, buy prepaid with cash. They don't have any way to tie you to the specific phone that way.

    Otherwise, if you give them all your data, don't be surprised when they use it for all kinds of things you didn't imagine.

    Most people seem to take the philosophy of, "I'll just ask nicely and maybe they won't go all big brother on me". Me, I try to push towards the philosophy of, "Let's not give them this in the first place. Then there's no issue because it *cannot* be a problem".

    Not just for this but other things too. I admit it requires a few sacrifices, but really much less than you might think. Mostly what it requires is *thinking*.

    1. Re:prepaid is the way to go for privacy by zuckie13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until they force you to show ID to buy the prepaid phones.

    2. Re:prepaid is the way to go for privacy by localman57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't have any way to tie you to the specific phone that way.

      Yeah. Because a phone that's been used to call your Mom, your job, your Wife, your girlfriend, your bank and your favorite dealer will be virtually impossible to tie to you.

    3. Re:prepaid is the way to go for privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Well then, ... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess it's a good thing I don't have a cell phone. No cell phone, no tracking. No tracking, no data mining.

    About the best the marketers know about me is from my grocery shopping card, though what they glean from my buying a 5 lb. tub of Crisco, two 48-count packs of condoms, three baby bottles and the 5 lb. jar of grape jelly every two weeks is up to them.

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  7. Re:Anybody knows the details of location measureme by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative
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  8. FamilyNet customer support by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So, we noticed that you spent an hour at a known brothel today. The good news is we offer our special customers preferential rates for non-geographic billing!"

    1. Re:FamilyNet customer support by localman57 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was preaching to them about Jesus! Honest!

    2. Re:FamilyNet customer support by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ha, they better be tracking by the minute if they want to catch me that way!

    3. Re:FamilyNet customer support by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was preaching to them about Jesus! Honest!

      Ah, so that's why we heard "Oh, God! YES!!!" over your line...

  9. Blackmail seems an interesting option by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This is anautomated message for Mr Smith. Hello Mr Smith, we've noticed that you've been spending your friday mornings at hotel 6 a lot, and while you commit adultery with Ms. Doolan who also spends a lot of time there with you, you may want to consider taking a short detour to Delco Brand Drugstore for some condoms to avoid your wednesday trips to the free VD clinic!"

  10. Why stop at location? by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They can sell information on everyone you called, use speech recognition to monetize the content of your calls. And since you voluntarily brought a phone into your life, why turn off the microphone just because you aren't making a call? Just continuously record everything in the vicinity - there must be a wealth of data there that someone would pay for.

    If data-mining of everything that touches the service works for facebook, why not telcos?

    1. Re:Why stop at location? by Phillibuster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why turn off the microphone just because you aren't making a call? Just continuously record everything in the vicinity

      They'd never do that, because then they'd have to upgrade their networks... ;)

  11. Why can't they use this data fix their coverage? by apenzott · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems odd that now that the carriers have GPS coordinates of where their subscribers are using their services, that they seem unwilling to use this data (GPS coordinates and dropped calls) to improve their coverage and services where the customer needs it.

    Oh, that entails spending money rather than making money. (Fail.)

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