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Rumor of Betelgeuse's Death Greatly Exaggerated

The Bad Astronomer writes "A rumor is spreading on the Net like wildfire that the red supergiant star Betelgeuse is about to explode in a supernova. This rumor is almost certainly not true. First, it's posted on a doomsday forum. Second, it's three times removed from the source, and is anonymous at each step. Third, the evidence is shaky at best. Plus, even if true, the supernova is too far away to hurt us. But other than that ..."

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  1. Of course it is. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse.

    There he is right there.

  2. Who cares? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Betelgeuse goes supernova tomorrow, it will take 495 years for the light to reach us! Or are we arguing about whether or not it went supernova 495 years ago...

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    1. Re:Who cares? by HFXPro · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. For you it occurs tomorrow. Relativity is awesome.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by mog007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Betelgeuse isn't millions of light-years away from Earth. It's in our Galaxy, about 600 light years away.

    3. Re:Who cares? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Informative

      A supernova can only effect us if it is within 25 light years of us. Betelgeuse is much farther away than that; new estimates say 640 light years. At any rate, it is way beyond the point at which I give a flying fuck because it doesn't effect me one whit. However, it may be really upsetting to Zaphod Beeblebrox!

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    4. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      640 is the distance limit anyway. After all, why would light need to travel further than 640 LY?

    5. Re:Who cares? by owlstead · · Score: 5, Funny

      Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?

    6. Re:Who cares? by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Funny

      meh. Potato, potawto, it's all relative.

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    7. Re:Who cares? by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it is way beyond the point at which I give a flying fuck

      The reason you give a flying fuck is that an event like this (a supernova the brightness of the full moon lasting for weeks or months) will bring out all of people's craziest fears. For some span of time, society will operate in a significantly less rational way. So you want to do your best to figure out two things: how long will this period of irrational behaviour last, and will that irrational behaviour manifest in ways that affect me?

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    8. Re:Who cares? by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 4, Funny

      With the crazies I have around me, who'd notice?

    9. Re:Who cares? by AmigaMMC · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Seriously... "about to" in astronomical terms could be a million years from now. By that reasoning I could say that a lot of stars in the universe are about to go Supernova. Same as saying "Yellowstone is about to erupt."

      Move on, slashdotters, once again there's nothing to see...

    10. Re:Who cares? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think any neutrino detector can detect them. Not even IceCube.

      What about Dr Dre?

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    11. Re:Who cares? by volsung · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Super-Kamiokande would light up like Christmas from a supernova only 600 light years from Earth. (Hopefully they still have a trigger configured to save such data, despite being used now as a target for the T2K experiment.) Super-K is 10x larger than Kamiokande-II and Kamiokande-II was able to detect 11 events from a supernova that was 250x further away than Betelgeuse. Granted, not all supernova have the same intensity, but still, I think we'd have a pretty good view from here.

    12. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think any neutrino detector can detect them. Not even IceCube.

      What about Dr Dre?

      Oh right! Forgot about Dre.

    13. Re:Who cares? by forand · · Score: 4, Informative

      Informative? Really? For the difference between 495 light years and 600 light years? Do I get modded 'informative' for correcting it to 640 ± 140 light years?

    14. Re:Who cares? by thePsychologist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, 640 light years ought to be far enough for anyone!

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  3. Seriously? by PingXao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, does this story warrant inclusion on slashdot? There are plenty of other places to go for bad rumors and conspiracy theories.

    1. Re:Seriously? by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, but of all the places to go for bad rumors and conspiracy theories, slashdot is my favorite!

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    2. Re:Seriously? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, and Slashdot is also a site that covers this kind of thing.

      Plus it beats yet another "Something has tenuous link with iPad"/"Someone wrote hype piece about iPad"/"iPadipadipadipadipad!" story.

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    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now we finally know what a collapsing hrung is.

    4. Re:Seriously? by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard a rumor about a slashdotter who saw a picture of a guy who saw an iPad. I submitted it as a story. kdawson promised me it would be front page tomorrow.

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    5. Re:Seriously? by fishexe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, but of all the places to go for bad rumors and conspiracy theories, slashdot is my favorite!

      I wonder if the other trashy news (+rumor) sites say "this was first reported on Slashdot, which means it's probably false."

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  4. Doomsday forum by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm... That's almost more interesting to me. Seems pretty odd to have a doomsday forum. If you think the world is ending soon, you're going to be online, chatting about it? Are the doomsday predictions spinning off to places other than Earth because doomsayers realized they're tired of being wrong and if they're right about predicting the earth's demise, they won't get any credit for it?

    1. Re:Doomsday forum by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm... That's almost more interesting to me. Seems pretty odd to have a doomsday forum. If you think the world is ending soon, you're going to be online, chatting about it?

      I take it no one has introduced you to Bash.org?

  5. Reason four: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nobody yet knows where the Hrung is, nor why it should choose to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven.

  6. Check for puppeteers by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't see any Pierson's Puppeteers around. I think we should get out of here.

  7. I also heard... by Itninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...on very good authority that, in two weeks, Mars will appears as big as the MOON in the night sky!!

    I swear I have assuage my Mom's fear about that one every year. I would just send her to Snopes. But the copious pop-under ads, malware, etc. makes me think I would be causing more problems that I would solve.... "No Mom. You cannot make win a free XBox by punching that monkey...". But I digress.

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  8. in other important astronomy news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    In other news, the M1 nebula is NOT... I repeat, *not* about to disappear.

    Bernard's Star is also NOT going nova this week. Probably not next week either.

    Also, do not panic. Neptune is quite stable in its orbit and is NOT about to collide with Jupiter, say astronomers. Repeat, it *will not* collide.

  9. Re:News? by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's new is that the doomsday tomorrow nuts have something else to latch on to, since 2012 has been thoroughly debunked.

      Of course it is possible that it already has gone supernova, and that the light and hard gamma front will reach us tomorrow morning.

      Fortunately it's far enough away that the only people who are going to notice anything other than a bright light in the sky are gamma ray astronomers, and astronomers who work on supernova theory.

      It'll be a great day for astronomers when it does go, however, a supernova that close and that thoroughly studied will give us a lot of hard information on supernova. For example, IIRC Betelgeuse was the one of the first stars to actually have it's angular diameter measured (1921) and surface imaged using interferometry.

      I'm old enough to remember when they imaged it's surface, at the time it was an incredible achievement.

    SB

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  10. ugh by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The blog writer complains that this rumor is "spreading like wildfire" but only cites to a single forum where the rumor apparently started. The blow writer then makes a snide comment about a "doomsday" forum, and then spends time with what appears to be an exasperated manner of speaking declaring that a supernova at that distance wouldn't cause any danger, only the original forum post never said it would--it basically saying how cool this would be to see. Why does it feel like a manufactured controversy? As best I can tell this anonymous forum poster may have been mistaken, but the reaction from the Discover blog is ridiculously out of proportion to that mistake.

  11. Spreading like wildfire? by mmcxii · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I Googled "I was talking to my son last week (he works on Mauna Kea), and he mentioned some new observations" to see how far this had spread it came up with a glorious 5 hits. That's spreading like wildfire?

  12. Nice try by davidbrit2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Betelgeuse is about to explode in a supernova. This rumor is almost certainly not true. First, it's posted on a doomsday forum. Second, it's three times removed...

    Nice try, but I'm not falling for that one.

  13. Re:What are the odds? by Max+Threshold · · Score: 4, Informative

    The average galaxy experiences a supernova roughly once every hundred years. Yes, we have seen some; there was one in a neighboring galaxy in 1987. What's really whack is that there are about 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. Using the estimate of one supernova per galaxy per century, this works out to like thirty supernova every second! Shit's blowin' up like crazy!

  14. Yeah saw this one yesterday by AbRASiON · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The rumour was it will occur in the next few weeks, similar to SN 1054 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1054

    [quote]SN 1054 (Crab Supernova) was a supernova that was widely seen on Earth in the year 1054. It was recorded by Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, and Persian/Arab astronomers as being bright enough to see in daylight for 23 days and was visible in the night sky for 653 days.[1][2][3] The progenitor star was located in the Milky Way galaxy at a distance of 6,300 light years and exploded as a core-collapse supernova.[/quote]

  15. Why is it? by JoeGee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People will take a phenomenon verified by hundreds of scientists in dozens of studies, global warming, and dismiss it because they got stuck in a snow drift. Then they'll turn around and forward an email that cites a brother's wife's uncle's cousin as breathless proof of impending calamity? I know the answer -- people are stupid. The question is purely rhetorical. :)

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    1. Re:Why is it? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ever considered that it might not be the same people doing both?

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  16. The real doomsday sign is the cubs wining it all! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real doomsday sign is the cubs wining it all!

  17. It isn't stupidity alone by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Global warming affect them, and they know that if true, it could point back at their own excess, or force them to change their lifestyle. A big problem. Whereas beltegeuse exploding, it won't affect anybody, so they don't mind spreading the rumor as a joke. The one REALLY stupid which REALLY think that would affect them, would not be able to come with the idea anyway.

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