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How Sperm Whales Offset Their Carbon Footprint

Boy Wunda writes "Scientists at Flinders University in South Australia found that in an awesome example of design by Mother Nature, Southern Ocean sperm whales offset their carbon footprint by simply defecating – an action that releases tons of iron a year and stimulates the growth of phytoplankton which absorb and trap carbon dioxide. If only we humans could say the same for our poop, which really doesn't do much more than just sit there." I'm going to do my part by buying some iron supplements and a can of chili, and heading off toward the ocean.

150 comments

  1. samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about you do your part by buying a cheap .22 caliber pistol and blowing your brains out?

    1. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the one hand, he would be stimulating the economy somewhat by buying something. But it would probably be more efficient to simply jump off a cliff.

    2. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, defecate? Get it? You know... Claudia Schiffer-Brains? Cmon! What the hell's the matter with you?

    3. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about you do your part by buying a cheap .22 caliber pistol and blowing your brains out?

      .22's aren't really effective at "blowing your brains out". They often tend to penetrate one side of the skull but bounce off the other end. This results in effective brain scrambling but little to no "blowing out" as the term is classically understood. If you want him to blow his brains out you should suggest that he purchase a .357 or .45 ;)

      And yes, I know, *whoosh*

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    4. Re: samzenpus: by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      They often tend to penetrate one side of the skull but bounce off the other end.

      Well there's your problem: You're supposed to stick the barrel in your mouth, not up against your head.

      Pro-Tip for everyone: The above is the ONLY way to commit suicide. All other methods are useless and should not be classified as 'suicide attempts', but rather 'cries for help'.

      HTH. HAND.

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    5. Re: samzenpus: by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      .22 through the eye would do the job, works on fine pigs. Scrambled brains is a sure fire death.

    6. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't trust a .22LR to get the job done if I was bent on ending my life. The only thing worse than deciding that suicide is the best option is undertaking a suicide attempt and winding up as a crippled vegetable that can't even wipe his own ass. Large calibers are the only way to go for a meaningful suicide attempt.

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    7. Re: samzenpus: by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Pro-Tip for everyone: The above is the ONLY way to commit suicide.

      That's not true. There are many other methods, it's just that most of them are not available for most people. Here's a list of other sure ways to commit suicide:

      • Blow up an atomic bomb above your head.
      • Let a 100 ton iron block fall on you.
      • Get into a space capsule and let it burn up in the atmosphere at reentry.
      • Sit under the main thruster during the start of a rocket.
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    8. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Large calibers are a good start, but I think I'd go straight to large amps and large volts for the really effective, dramatic, and exciting exit. Nothing screams "HEY LOOK AT ME, I CAN'T HACK IT" quite like blacking out multiple city blocks while flash-frying yourself.

      Pretty lights mommy!

    9. Re: samzenpus: by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Brought to you by the slashdot staff. Don't think they'd get a raise, though.

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    10. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the "morbid topic" department, I've contemplated how I would exit this world if I opted for suicide (and no, I'm not suicidal, it's just a great morbid topic) and I've concluded that firearms are the only real way to go.

      Drowning? That won't do. Takes too long and involves too much panic.
      Burning? Nope, same drawbacks as drowning.
      Pills? Thanks but no thanks. Who the hell wants to commit suicide and then have time to think about the fact that they are going to die? This same drawback applies to leaving the car running in an enclosed space or slitting your wrists in the bathtub.
      Hanging? I could see this one if you had the time and materials to build a real gallows that would snap your neck. But dying via strangulation? Yuck.

      Nope, the firearm is really the only way to go. It requires true commitment (gotta squeeze that trigger) and doesn't provide much room for second guessing yourself. It should also be relatively painless unless you flinch at the last second. Added bonus: Nothing says "fuck you, cruel cruel world" quite like the mess that a headshot leaves behind ;)

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    11. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Firearms are too personal and leaves an object to be mad at. I'd go to a large hotel and get a room on a very high floor. Of course, I wouldn't ask for it but would just go until they gave me one. Then I'd make it look like a struggle, and then throw myself backwards through a window. That way the world invests lots of time and energy into finding your killer, and maybe you even ruin the lives of someone that didn't like you. Bonus points if you take out a large life-insurance policy with an unusual beneficiary which becomes active just before it happens. Quick, relatively painless death with a sense of flying just seconds before? It's the way to go.

    12. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone whose brother committed suicide with a .22, I'd say that sadly they work just fine for that purpose.

    13. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and 48 others liked this.

    14. Re: samzenpus: by Deffiz · · Score: 1

      What about trains?! Nobody even mentions the possibility of being the bug on the windscreen of the world? I'm not talking about jumping - you might time it wrong, or bounce/roll so that you survive, I'm talking about STANDING there. As fast and sure as a bullet and more easily available outside of the USA. :P

    15. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Since you are not suicidal, your have the wrong mindset and tools that you come up with are not fit for when you are actually on the brink of doing it. I am also far from that, but here's my point of view:

      Takes too long and involves too much panic.

      If i were suicidal, I would want to prolong and enjoy the process. I probably have the will not to surface when out of air (tested this to extreme at some point).

      think about the fact that they are going to die?

      Why the hell not? If you actually are suicidal, and the sinful existence cannot resolve your problems, these will be the only moments when you are truly happy.

      firearm ... requires true commitment (gotta squeeze that trigger) and doesn't provide much room for second guessing yourself.

      Bad choice, for these exact reasons.
      1. It does NOT require commitment. Anyone can pull the trigger. When you make an irreversible step like that, you better be willing to do more than that, like physical carnage with a blunt object.
      2. Why would you want to make a step like that without the room for second guessing? How about being absolutely positively sure instead?

    16. Re: samzenpus: by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those are under my definition of 'useless' used above. Buy a gun, stick it in your mouth, pull the trigger. All yours involve a call to ACME, and we all know how that turns out.

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    17. Re: samzenpus: by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      And what if you get the angle wrong and end up performing an emergency lobotomy instead?

      Sorry dude: blow away your brainstem. It's the only way to be sure.

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    18. Re: samzenpus: by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't trust a .22LR to get the job done if I was bent on ending my life.

      Yes, because you insist on the more theatrical way of putting the gun to your temple. A fucking BB gun in your mouth would probably kill you, so your point about the 22 not being enough for braindeath is ridiculous.

      The only thing worse than deciding that suicide is the best option is undertaking a suicide attempt and winding up as a crippled vegetable that can't even wipe his own ass.

      My whole point. Thanks for, er, restating it.

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    19. Re: samzenpus: by boneclinkz · · Score: 0

      I've always thought that using firearms was a fairly inconsiderate way to kill yourself. It leaves a big mess behind for mourning family members.

      I think a tank filled with nitrogen gas, a length of steel braided hose, and a DIY mask would probably be the best way to do it. Not terribly expensive, either.

    20. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not funny, my brother died that way.

    21. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about high explosives? Nice blood smear after that...

    22. Re: samzenpus: by operagost · · Score: 1

      With roadrunner burgers? Mmmm.... roadrunner.

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    23. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To minimize the carbon footprint of the suicide, he should borrow the gun.

    24. Re: samzenpus: by MobileC · · Score: 1

      Do you know how much carbon was released into the atmosphere in the making of that .22?

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    25. Re: samzenpus: by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      modern vehicles terrible at carbon monoxide poisoning... it is to the point now, that the vehicle would have to consume all the oxygen in the room to kill you, rather than building up CO enough to do it.

    26. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An oldie but a goodie: put something sharp enough to cut your hear off on your neck at the top of a tall (but not splat tall) building, super glue your hands to your head, and lunge at the decapitator. When you land, it looks like you were trying to catch your head. Ok, probably wouldn't work, but along those lines, skydiving without a parachute might be a good way to go. Fun while it lasts, and no pain. Might want to take a shot of weed first so you don't do much 'Oh shit I'm really going to die!' type thought on the way down.

    27. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because you insist on the more theatrical way of putting the gun to your temple. A fucking BB gun in your mouth would probably kill you, so your point about the 22 not being enough for braindeath is ridiculous.

      The point about a .22 not being enough for braindeath is NOT at all ridiculous. A .22 to the brain *can* kill but it is *not* a guaranteed kill. Even a .357 to the brain is not a guaranteed kill. Have you not ever seen a photo of that poor little black kid who got shot by accident with a .357? Basically lost the entire right lobe of his brain along with most of the skull from that side. He did not die.

      You want to try to commit suicide with a .22? Be my guest.

      When and if I commit suicide it'll be done with a 12 gauge shotgun to the roof of the mouth. Chances of surviving that? Pretty much zero no matter what.

    28. Re: samzenpus: by gfody · · Score: 1

      A fucking BB gun in your mouth would probably kill you

      You greatly underestimate the human body's vitality. It's likely much harder to kill someone by shooting them with a BB gun than by hitting them over the head with the BB gun.

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    29. Re: samzenpus: by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      I do believe you forgot the 'skydive without pulling your parachute' option. Plenty of time to enjoy the experience without the hassle of buying guns or pills.

      That said, it doesn't have the same satisfaction of building a bomb and visiting your local politician :)

      Hint to NSA, that's a joke guys - you know you want to do the same.

    30. Re: samzenpus: by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the SAS use .22s for their assassination duties, so if its good enough for them, it will surely work for you.

      I've heard stories about people who tried to commit suicide using a shotgun and ..well, succeeded only in blowing half their face off. If you can fuck it up with a shotgun, a .44 isn't going to help you become competent.

    31. Re: samzenpus: by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 0

      Nuke him from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

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    32. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this why you're so against clunker buyback in your blog?

    33. Re: samzenpus: by Matt_R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about trains?

      Won't somebody think of the train driver?

    34. Re: samzenpus: by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Kurt Cobain knew better than all of you. Shotgun under the chin FTW.

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    35. Re: samzenpus: by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      I believe the whales call this the 'crap and trade' program, and write it off their corporate taxes.

    36. Re: samzenpus: by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      OT: Always loved your sig.

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    37. Re: samzenpus: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Nope, the firearm is really the only way to go.

      It seems he had small penis syndrome right until the end.

      Overdose is quite effective, you just have to get the dosage right, but seeing as you have no upper limit, this is simpler then most people think. A single shot of about $300 worth of heroin will be just as effective as any firearm and much nicer on the clean up crew (as well as permitting an open casket). The world isnt just about you, you know.

      My beef is that most people don't know how ineffective "jumping" is. The human body can survive one hell of an impact.

      Trains are also quite popular (esp in Japan) but we have the same impact issue, electrocution on live wires (powering the trains) is effective but I could imagine quite painful.

      Morbid jokes aside the only guy I know who committed suicide did so by turning off the respirator he required to breath in his sleep. When you think about it, the people who really want to die can find very simple ways of doing it.

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    38. Re: samzenpus: by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Bottle of nitrogen would do it for me if it comes to that. You get high and then you die without noticing! Perfect!

    39. Re: samzenpus: by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      FWI - a kid where I used to go to school did that a couple years ago. Waited for the train to come, then walked onto the tracks a few yards in front of it :-\

    40. Re: samzenpus: by Rhaban · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would not accept suicide advices from someone who never did any successful attempt.

    41. Re: samzenpus: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scrambled brains is also a sure fire part of a balanced breakfast!

    42. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I'm dead, why do I care about the clean up crew? ;)

      In fact, my goal would be to leave as big of a mess as possible. If I hate the world enough to take my own life I don't see any reason to do it any favors by taking my life in a clean and orderly fashion ;)

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    43. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Ever read about Saburo Sakai? Japanese fighter pilot during WW2. He mistook one of our bombers for a fighter and dove right into the firing arc of the rear gunner. Took a .30-06 to the head. Not only did he survive but he was able to fly his plane back home, land and give a report to his CO before being wheeled away for surgery.

      It's really amazing what the human body is capable of.

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    44. Re: samzenpus: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      In fact, my goal would be to leave as big of a mess as possible. If I hate the world enough to take my own life I don't see any reason to do it any favors by taking my life in a clean and orderly fashion ;)

      Maybe clean and orderly is just a British thing.

      As a great man said, it's better to burn out then fade away. :)

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    45. Re: samzenpus: by DinDaddy · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about on more coarse pigs?

    46. Re: samzenpus: by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      You could land on the politician's house.

    47. Re: samzenpus: by socz · · Score: 1

      Another argument in my favor for the Desert Eagle .50 A-E! It only takes 1!

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    48. Re: samzenpus: by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      not to mention, if you stick with the .22 it doesn't leave the huge mess that blowing your head off with a .357 magnum. Hell, if you did it in your bathtub all the mess would go down the drain!

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    49. Re: samzenpus: by Calinous · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, anything over 40mm is not usable in the USA (and 37mm is only for signal flares), so you need to use a puny calibre like 600 Nitro, or lesser

    50. Re: samzenpus: by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      You can buy weapons that are bigger than .50 caliber. You just need a special tax stamp from the ATF to legally possess them. They are considered "destructive devices" or some such.

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  2. "Just sits there" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me... Mine floats (or sinks) there in my frosty piss.

  3. Iron = carbon by by+(1706743) · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who knew?

    1. Re:Iron = carbon by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      ...releases tons of iron a year and stimulates the growth of phytoplankton which absorb and trap carbon dioxide

      Note to self: read the summary.

    2. Re:Iron = carbon by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      You must be new here...

    3. Re:Iron = carbon by deuterium · · Score: 1

      So? Iron as a source of phytoplankton blooms, and phytoplankton as a carbon sink isn't news. The "news" is that whales are doing this, and in uselessly small numbers. Tell me what I missed.

    4. Re:Iron = carbon by Nutria · · Score: 1

      What makes me laugh is this quote by someone who derides Intelligent Design: design by Mother Nature

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  4. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iron = -Carbon

    1. Re:Correction by icebike · · Score: 1

      Except it really doesn't work. We've tried.
      http://green.autoblog.com/2009/05/08/newsflash-dumping-iron-filings-into-ocean-wont-reduce-co-sub-2/

      It had been proposed sometime ago that geoengineering might help fight global warming. One plan in particular that drew a lot of attention was the dumping of hundreds of tons of iron filings into the ocean. Through wave action, the seas absorb CO2 from the atmosphere and the theory went that iron dumping would encourage phytoplankton population growth which would, in combination with zooplankton, take in CO2 and deposit it on the bottom of the briny deep. ... ...
      While it seems that impressive bio-blooms could be created, much of the zooplankton poop and other carbons bits didn't create the strong sedimentation effect expected on the briny bottom.

      Other stories here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16390-climate-fix-ship-sets-sail-with-plan-to-dump-iron.html

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  5. You're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If your poop "just sits there" try going *in* the toilet next time, not beside it. If you can make that work, your poop will magically be whisked away and probably end up in a digester somewhere making methane, or possibly being reprocessed into fertilizer. Behold, the secret life of poop!

    1. Re:You're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everybody has the option to flush. Fortunately, many folks in developing countries have another solution. How do these articles make it on slashdot?

    2. Re:You're doing it wrong by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      People without the option to flush --->Oo<--- People with the ability to read slashdot.

      Note the size of the intersection.

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  6. I wonder ... by electricprof · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how long it will take for someone to suggest dumping raw sewage into the oceans in an effort to reduce our carbon footprint ...

    1. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I suggest dumping raw sewage into the oceans in an effort to reduce our carbon footprint.

      ('bout 6 minutes.)

    2. Re:I wonder ... by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or just lots of iron! What could possibly go wrong?

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    3. Re:I wonder ... by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well... It would a bit However there are other disasters to consider from doing such activity that would make carbon footprint seem like a moot point.

      That and the most of the Carbon problem we have isn't from our biology but from our use of fuels. Which is in essence the Carbon Collected by these lifeforms after they died. Basicly we are using the stuff that was collected years ago.
       

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    4. Re:I wonder ... by Rato+Ruter · · Score: 2, Funny
    5. Re:I wonder ... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1


      I wonder how long it will take for someone to suggest dumping raw sewage into the oceans in an effort to reduce our carbon footprint ...

      They already dump it on farm fields. Heavy metals, pharmaceuticals, and all. And call it 'organic'.

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    6. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say nothing about this plankton having an especially affinity for iron. The article is like saying "We should not grow plants, because certain plants that grow are poisonous and omgwtf if we happen to grow those!"

    7. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure that plenty of fecal material is already being dumped in the oceans. The Mediterranean is already a big cesspool.

    8. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear they are going to rename the whales -- poopinators.

    9. Re:I wonder ... by cekander · · Score: 1

      Some people are already using "humanure" toilets that compost their waste into fertilizer. It's essentially a 5 gallon bucket with a toilet seat and a side bucket of sawdust that you scatter over your waste to kill the smell until it's time to empty. More here.

      I suppose it would make sense if we actually had gardens to fertilize and had to worry about the cost of water. Fortunately for the average slashdot reader these are only 3rd world concerns.

    10. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is all about a certain enrichment program to flood the ocean with a deadly neurotoxin. I think the article does not mean what you think it means.

  7. Worthless turd! by mgierhart · · Score: 4, Funny

    So basically, according to Mother Nature, we aren't worth our weight in shit?

    1. Re:Worthless turd! by nj_peeps · · Score: 1

      damn, beat me too it!

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    2. Re:Worthless turd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the whole "Garbage in Garbage Out" theory. I don't get is they eat food rich in iron then crap it out and some scientist get so happy over whale poo.

    3. Re:Worthless turd! by II+Xion+II · · Score: 0

      Well that blows!

  8. design by Mother Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This sounds almost religiously stupid. I doubt mother nature cares about us or the level of CO2.

    Should we take mother nature at her word and send our untreated sewage into the ocean so we can be like the whales?

    1. Re:design by Mother Nature by Rato+Ruter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This sounds almost religiously stupid. I doubt mother nature cares about us or the level of CO2.

      Should we take mother nature at her word and send our untreated sewage into the ocean so we can be like the whales?

      2 minutes

    2. Re:design by Mother Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed it is. I wonder, where else should they defecate? Land? Jesus Christ.

  9. Carbon Footprint? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything that doesn't use fossil fuel (directly or indirectly) is already pretty much carbon neutral over its lifespan. .The O2/CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been more or less in balance for millions of years,

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    1. Re:Carbon Footprint? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Anything that doesn't use fossil fuel (directly or indirectly) is already pretty much carbon neutral over its lifespan. .The O2/CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been more or less in balance for millions of years,

      That means the whole ecosystem is carbon neutral, not individual taxa.

      For instance, cattle make lots of methane. Plants absorb CO2. Whale shit stimulates other organisms to absorb CO2.

    2. Re:Carbon Footprint? by lupinstel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah... They don't even have feet!

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    3. Re:Carbon Footprint? by Speedcraver · · Score: 1

      So do sperm whales have their own giant version of Mr. Hankey, and is his wife a giant lush?

    4. Re:Carbon Footprint? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

      That's exactly my point. The whales in the article are not themselves carbon-neutral, it's just that the ecosystem around them has evolved to keep balance. If it hadn't, the whales (and a lot of other things) would no longer be around.

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    5. Re:Carbon Footprint? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Sperm whales have a carbon footprint? What? From the Hummers they're driving, or all the coal-burning power plants they've built?

      Dude, you're getting riled up about the wrong error in that sentence. Whales don't even have feet! How the fuck are they supposed to have footprints?

      At the very least, we could say something about them offsetting their carbon tailsplash, or their carbon wake. Let's first be sensitive to the feelings of our podiacally challenged friends in the sea, before we challenge them on their wasteful use of fossil fuels.

      Oh, and by the way, we don't really know what goes on at deep diving depths for sperm whales. For all we know, they could be driving massive submarines that consume ridiculous amounts of oil.

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    6. Re:Carbon Footprint? by OldOOCoboler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lobiusmoop said "directly or indirectly". Cattle in feedlots eat corn grown with fertilizers made from previously sequestered oil. If you use oil or coal that took millions of years to sequester then you're not neutral. Whale's don't add any previously sequestered carbon to the biosphere (unless they drink straight from the BP wellhead).

    7. Re:Carbon Footprint? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Whale's don't add any previously sequestered carbon to the biosphere (unless they drink straight from the BP wellhead).

      I now imagine barfly cetaceans lining up for the 'kegger.'

    8. Re:Carbon Footprint? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      but you + the previous sequencers become neutral together.

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    9. Re:Carbon Footprint? by nephilimsd · · Score: 1

      Is telling us that whales don't have feet REALLY informative? Come on, mods!

    10. Re:Carbon Footprint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how do you explain Volcanoes. The spew so much toxic gases. The need to get their act together and become carbon neutral.

    11. Re:Carbon Footprint? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The oil in the ground is from locked up plant/animal matter. So if the O2/CO2 levels have been in balance for millions of years, where in the hell did the additional CO2 come from as the previous amount was being locked up in oil? Space?

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    12. Re:Carbon Footprint? by JrGrouch0 · · Score: 1

      Of course they don't. Years of iron defecation have reduced their feet to tiny hip bones

    13. Re:Carbon Footprint? by PlasmaEye · · Score: 1

      Sperm whales have a carbon footprint? What? From the Hummers they're driving, or all the coal-burning power plants they've built? I know this is Idle on Slashdot, but man, that is the dumbest headline I've seen in a whale.

      Fixed that for you.

  10. You gotta be kidding me by boneclinkz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "...in an awesome example of design by Mother Nature..." Please tell me this was artistic license on the part of the author, and not the actual words of a researcher on the project.

  11. Don't be too hard on yourselves by rattaroaz · · Score: 1, Funny

    If only we humans could say the same for our poop, which really doesn't do much more than just sit there.

    As humans, aren't we a little too hard on ourselves? First, we criticize ourselves for cutting down trees. Then, we criticize ourselves for global warming. Now, we criticize ourselves because our poops suck? Sheesh. When will it end?

    1. Re:Don't be too hard on yourselves by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Seriously, does anyone really know whether it makes good fertilizer?

    2. Re:Don't be too hard on yourselves by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Define 'good'. It will grow plants. It will smell very, very bad.

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  12. Carbon Footprint? by lax-goalie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sperm whales have a carbon footprint? What? From the Hummers they're driving, or all the coal-burning power plants they've built?

    I know this is Idle on Slashdot, but man, that is the dumbest headline I've seen in a while.

  13. Weren't we doing that already? by denzacar · · Score: 2, Informative
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  14. Your articles are enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your articles are enough. Just seed them to the ocean.

  15. What does a Sperm Whale poop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Volkswagon Beetles?

  16. It's called Iron Seeding, people. by JoshDM · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There is nothing new about Iron Seeding, except the people who decry it as something that will destroy our oceans and strip it of oxygen.

    This is simply Iron Seeding from a biological standpoint.

    In fact, Iron Seeding is something we probably should be doing to help sequester carbon.

    Recent url of interest here.

    1. Re:It's called Iron Seeding, people. by Conchobair · · Score: 1

      The new part is that it comes out of a whale's butt.

    2. Re:It's called Iron Seeding, people. by lazn · · Score: 1

      Each ton of Iron dumped into the ocean pulls about 1000 tons of carbon out of the air.

      http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=34167

      Of that a tiny percentage reaches the floor, 20-50% stays in the middle ocean for a few decades, and the rest stays on the top and dies re-releasing the CO2 back into the air.

      Each ton of iron smelted from ore creates 2.5 tons of CO2 (not counting transportation), about equal to that tiny percentage that actually gets sequestered, so if you have to move the iron at all (which you do if you want it out of the ground) then your net result in a few decades is adding CO2 to the air.

      Not that I am actually all that worried about C02.. I think Methane is a bigger problem and easier target.

    3. Re:It's called Iron Seeding, people. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Actually I think it's been happening that way for a while now, it's just the first we've realized it.

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    4. Re:It's called Iron Seeding, people. by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      comes out of a whale's butt

      Although IANAWA (I am not a whale anatomist), I am reasonably certain that while they have a rectum, they do not have glutei, maximus or minimus.

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    5. Re:It's called Iron Seeding, people. by Conchobair · · Score: 1

      From what I can figure you might be right about the glutei. Also male whales have two openings and females have one opening, or as the Spanish would call it, the San Diego.

  17. DNA by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    How long before someone decides that we need to do a DNA makeover so that we humans will produce whale shit?

    Your children will sit down, and drop a half-ton of half digested krill. Combine this with those low-flush toilets mandated by law, and you just know that a disaster is just waiting to happen.

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  18. Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could we pump him full of Iron Supplements and let him decay in the ocean? Would that sequester more carbon than he does every day?

  19. Just an FYI by eclectro · · Score: 1

    >I'm going to do my part by buying some iron supplements and a can of chili, and heading off towards the ocean.

    Men and children should not take iron supplements beyond what is found in food as it can be dangerous. Women, who lose some blood on a monthly basis, can take iron supplements. Consult with your physician.

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    1. Re:Just an FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words: Go eat whale shit, women!

  20. Farming by lewiscr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These whales aren't reducing their carbon footprint, they're farming. They're fertilizing the fields of phytoplankton, which works it way back up the food chain.

    1. Re:Farming by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      They're doing neither, as both farming and "carbon footprint reduction" require intent. Without intent, this is just another case of "shit happens."

    2. Re:Farming by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So tell me... How exactly did you prove there is no intent?
      And as a bonus question: How exactly do you prove that you yourself are doing anything with intent?

      Ah, interesting, I already had you on my freak list.

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    3. Re:Farming by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      So tell me... How exactly did you prove there is no intent?

      You don't. You realize that a whale pooping in its environment, as it must, is nothing at all like farming. It's like seriously claiming that whale migration in the Caribbean is because that's their vacation spot. You can't prove a lack of intent, you can only point to the absence of evidence for it. The burden of proof lies on those who want to show that there is intent. Replace "intent" with "god" in your statement for an informative illustration.

      Anyway, the point of my original post was that concepts are routinely misused and abused nowadays, people speaking straight-faced about whales farming and going green are stark examples.

  21. Footprint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whales don't have feet!

    1. Re:Footprint? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      this of course would be the more general type of Footprint that indicates the area that an entity consumes on whatever surface is under discussion.

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  22. Newsflash! by c0d3g33k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow. Organisms that are part of a balanced ecosystem are in fact in balance with their surrounding ecosystem. What's next? The revelation that planets in orbit around the sun do not in fact fly off into space because they follow a curved path centered around the parent body? Must be a slow news day.

    1. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I misread that as, "plants in orbit around the sun." For some reason I immediately tried to figure out exactly how that would work.

  23. Trees by mldi · · Score: 1

    Don't they do the same thing?

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  24. Yes! by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    Whales are so cool. I bet they'd know how to fix the Louisiana BP/Deep Water Horizon fiasco too.

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    1. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top scat?

  25. I think... by InvisibleSoul · · Score: 1

    That's a load of crap!

  26. Fossil fuels return nature's balance by invid · · Score: 1

    Humans are Mother Nature's way of bringing nature back into balance by returning carbon to the biosphere that has been remove by millions of years of sedimentation. Isn't in incredible how ingenious Mother Nature is? After all, back when nature was REALLY in balance (back when there were only one-celled organisms) there was much more carbon in the atmosphere. Things didn't change much for millions of years at a time because all of that great natural balance.

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  27. Slashdot's carbon footprint? by MiniMike · · Score: 0

    Does this imply that the Idle section helps to offset Slashdot's carbon footprint?
    Just asking...

  28. Where does the iron come from? by eastlight_jim · · Score: 1

    What I want to know is where the iron is supposed to have come from. Several sources I have read have neatly ignored this.

    Sperm whales (or any other whales for that matter) do not manufacture iron. They must take it in in their diet. Surely this means that iron is just being circulated around? Perhaps the whale takes iron that would otherwise fall to the ocean floor and circulates it back to the surface?

    1. Re:Where does the iron come from? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Hey, you aren't supposed to look behind the curtain! The mighty Wizard of Algore sees all, and knows all! You aren't supposed to criticize his most wonderous pronouncements! And everyone who listens to the news knows, whales and dolphins are much smarter than humans. Just look at how much more advanced their technology is compared to ours!

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    2. Re:Where does the iron come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you aren't supposed to look behind the curtain! The mighty Wizard of Algore sees all, and knows all! You aren't supposed to criticize his most wonderous pronouncements! And everyone who listens to the news knows, whales and dolphins are much smarter than humans (except Al Gore of course, he has a Nobel Prize and they don't hand those out to just everyone, or whales for that matter). Just look at how much more advanced their technology is compared to ours!

      fixed that

    3. Re:Where does the iron come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sperm whales are carnivores. The iron comes from the blood (hemoglobin) of the animals they eat.

  29. In other news by AnAdventurer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The earth can take care of it's self in the absence of humans

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    1. Re:In other news by kailSD · · Score: 1

      .. or we could follow the whale's lead and dump all our shit in the Challenger Deep and/or elsewhere deep. I wonder how long it would take us to fill it? ;)

  30. Corporations already shit on you and the enviro by syousef · · Score: 0

    You know that junk mail. The half a ton of crap you never read that comes through the letterbox from the same companies that push "green" "enviro" bags so they could stop giving you free plastic bags, and won't sell you incandescent bulbs any more even though the "green" ones contain mercury and there's better technology available (LED)? Those companies are already defecating on you and the environment.

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  31. super by deuterium · · Score: 1

    "They've well and truly bypassed being carbon neutral. They've actually gone one step further,"

    What? They did? Fuck me. What is the point of this article? The whales don't know anything about this, they're just taking a shit. Maybe this supports seeding the ocean with iron, but I bet the same authors would blanch at that idea. This is just useless, idealistic drivel. Jesus Christ, slashdot.

  32. Beyond the nitrogen cycle by base_chakra · · Score: 1

    ...an action that releases tons of iron a year and stimulates the growth of phytoplankton which absorb and trap carbon dioxide. If only we humans could say the same for our poop, which really doesn't do much more than just sit there."

    Of course human "poop" has a similar role; the waste of every single organism does. In fact, there is no such thing as "waste" per se, only input and output. Your poop is for some species food, for others a home, and for others a womb.

    This is a crucial part of the cycle of life. Once organisms adapt into symbiosis, they eat and grow together without harming each other. The beneficial bacteria in your gut secrete enzymes that digest your food, as well as organic chemicals that allow your immune system to function healthily. Such a relationship can take a long time to form. Symbiosis is a primary goal of biological evolution. There is nothing bad or shameful or evil or naughty or worthless about what you urinate or defecate. In fact, it is exactly the opposite.

    1. Re:Beyond the nitrogen cycle by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but the notion that human poop "just sits there" is terminally ignorant. What do these scientists {??!) think happens when you take a dump, instant fossilization??

      For those equally baffled by the process: It goes into a sewage or septic system, is degraded down to its compontent organics (just like any other critter's poop) and from there eventually back into the environment (again, just like any other critter's poop), whether that's via wastewater discharge into a body of water (exactly what whales do), or recycling into fertilizer (as with deer poop), or leeching into the soil (as with earthworm poop), or whatever other modern methods there are that I haven't paid any attention to.
      But it doesn't just 'sit there'. If it did, we'd be long since buried in it.

      [thinking] Oh, I see the problem. These scientists are hip-deep in bullshit, and can't see the difference.

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  33. The actual paper by takowl · · Score: 1

    I know most people aren't interested, but let's have the URL for the original paper:
    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/06/14/rspb.2010.0863.short?rss=1

    This one is available free (i.e. you don't need a subscription to read it).

  34. View Picture. by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid to look at the picture. Is it of the whale or samzenpus and his can of chili at the beach?

  35. I will do my part... by KillShill · · Score: 1

    By educating people:

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php

    Make sure to read each one all the way through then form your opinion.

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  36. Shitting iron by jandersen · · Score: 1

    I have to say, it sounds painful; they need to eat more fibre.

  37. "design by Mother Nature" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell does that mean? Evolution? Unless this directly affects their immediate environment for their betterment, it's just a fluke.

  38. Animals don't have carbon footprints by AC-x · · Score: 1

    Animals don't have carbon footprints because they don't use stored carbon (Oil, Gas and Coal). This is the kind of dumbed down article I'd expect to find on Digg, not Slashdot.

    It would be impossible for carbon dioxide exhaled by animals to increase the atmospheric CO2 concentration because that carbon was taken out of the atmosphere by plants / algae first. It's a closed cycle. Fossil fuels are a problem because that carbon isn't part of that cycle anymore, so releasing it faster than it can be absorbed obviously leads to a net increase.

  39. Or... by iviv66 · · Score: 1

    It could just be the bowl of petunias that follows them around.

  40. Carbon footprints can be avoided by Bicx · · Score: 1

    Most shoes have rubber soles and treads. Rubber is a product of petroleum, which made up of hydrocarbons. Can you see where I'm going with this?

  41. what a story! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Really, you want to post this story on /. ok...what ever turns your crank...

    >If only we humans could say the same for our poop, which really doesn't do much more than just sit there
    The fact that we never really studied our own feces for recycling or usage, means we just don't care enough to try.
    If someone were to study our poop, we would see a means of processing our dung to be used as car fuel, then
    we would stop flinging our crap all over /. and keep our gas money for better things...like finding better editors.

  42. Odd by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Sometime ago, several different groups were going to release iron in the ocean and cause the same thing. Then it was decided that it would not work by those groups. So, now, when a whale does it, it works, but not when humans do it? Why?

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  43. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is as good as bullshit. Any animal does the same thing. Shit in the field. In time it gets broken down, the nutrients encourage plant life, they take up CO2. Carbon offset plus some. Big bloody deal.

  44. Milwaukee poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The city of Milwaukee has long recycled human waste from it's sewage system as a high-end garden fertilizer called Milorganite. It is sold through many outlets, including chain home improvement stores.