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Visa Launches PayPal Alternative

An anonymous reader writes "Visa has entered the micropayment processing space with payclick, a pre-paid hosted service that will compete with the likes of PayPal. Payclick is aimed at teenagers purchasing online content like music and games where the value of the transaction is likely to be less than $20. Like PayPal, payclick is an online money repository that people can pay into with a bank account or credit card (Visa or MasterCard) and then use the funds to purchase products online. The service was developed and launched in Australia with a view for global markets. PayPal integration is not there yet, but parents can monitor the amount of funds their under-18 children have to spend online. For e-commerce sites, an SDK is available for payclick integration."

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  1. Careful not to load it up too much by jaymz2k4 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seems once your money is in the system its there for good

    The amount of money held in a payclick account must be between $20 to $1000 and withdrawals to a bank account are not allowed. Payclick also supports recurring transactions

    Of course you can just keep spending it online but I'm sure there'll come a point where little Jimmy wants some cold cash in his hands.

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    1. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup it's a scam. and it blows my nind they call a "micropayment" amounts under $20.00US...

      I know that bankers wipe their asses with $50's and $100's but most Americans don't call even $5.00 a "micro" payment. Most people consider under $2.00 a micropayment.

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    2. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by Twinbee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Er excuse me, but I thought micropayments were something like $0.05 or less?

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    3. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by sortius_nod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah, $2-$5 is micropayments. Play any of the new EA games or D&D Online, you buy points then they deduct it. Even Xbox Live/PSN can be counted as micropayment systems.

      Then you have iTunes, Amazon, etc with music, I've never seen anything for $0.05.

      Actually, I don't think I've seen anything for sale for $0.05 in some time, on the net or in physical form. Even eBay sets a minimum at $0.99.

      I have no idea where you got $0.05 from.

    4. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I will sell you a paperclip for $4.88 plus shipping. I will wrap it in four one dollar bills; my studies have shown that US currency never fails to protect paperclips from damage in transit.

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    5. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by xtracto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Er excuse me, but I thought micropayments were something like $0.05 or less?

      No, that would be centi-payments. Micro-payments is more along the lines of $0.000005
      You also have milli-payments $0.001 and nano-payments $0.000000005 or, if you feel like buying RIAA products you also have mega-payments of $5,000,000.00

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    6. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only reason that $2-$5 is called a "micropayment" is that nobody ever figured out how to deliver on the original target(fractions of a penny up to a dollar or so) in any way that wasn't swamped by transaction costs or some other failure mechanism.

      Some years ago, there was a lot of quasi-utopian fluff about them floating around. Then all the companies in the field went out of business.

    7. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by mitgib · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fictionwise.com is a bookstore I've bought from in the past and sells short stories and books with many under $1 and I've bought many short stories under a quarter. They offer a micropay solution of their own, pay in $5 or more with paypal and draw from it as you go, as the transaction charges from paypal would make a lot of these works unavailable otherwise.

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    8. Re:Careful not to load it up too much by nacturation · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nah, $2-$5 is micropayments. [...] I have no idea where you got $0.05 from.

      Get off my lawn:

      http://web.archive.org/web/19970601153143/http://www.millicent.digital.com/ (as low as 1/10th cent)
      http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20011223.html ("In addition to true micro-payments, some sites might have midi-payments ranging from 20 cents to a dollar, and perhaps even maxi-payments of several dollars.")

      Sorry, but I regularly purchase $2 to $5 items on my credit card. Calling that a micropayment is ridiculous.

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  2. Re:Bloat by acer8930 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean those radio option boxes are too hard for you?

  3. Alternative? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For something that's supposed to compete with PayPal, it's amazingly limited.

    You can't withdraw your own funds.
    You can't transfer funds to anyone who isn't a family member unless they are a business, and Payclick gets a cut of the transfer to a business. (Note that I'm not faulting them for making money here, just stating facts.)
    You can't pull right from a bank or credit card. You must pre-deposit funds.

    Combine that with the fact that almost no services use it yet and it's not a very good offering.

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    1. Re:Alternative? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given how often accounts get frozen "for security reasons" without any form of useful recourse, I'd say that Paypal encourages you to take cash out of your account as fast as possible...

  4. Competition by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How will Visa compete with shady business practices; keeping money from users, putting a stop on user accounts because there's a solar flare, not giving a damn about client data confidentiality, not being regulated as a bank. These things make it a tough act to follow for Visa.

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    1. Re:Competition by chill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You honestly ask this? Of a CREDIT CARD COMPANY!? PayPal is a piker compared to Visa.

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    2. Re:Competition by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You honestly ask this? Of a CREDIT CARD COMPANY!? PayPal is a piker compared to Visa.

      Visa are honest and trustworthy compared to paypal..

  5. Anything is better than Paypal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No matter how limited or simple it is at the moment, I'd rather wire money through my friend the ex-Nigerian prince, before using Paypal again.

    They aren't thieves, or crooks, but they are a company with HORRIBLE BUSINESS PRACTICES, and go completely unregulated, thanks to lack of oversight from any meaningful government agency.

    So yea, any competition in this space is a welcome idea.

  6. Fail by perrin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wanted to keep an open mind, even though going by previous ventures anything labelled "micro-payments" seem doomed to failure. So I went looking for information. But there is hardly any useful info to be found, at least not on their home page. The link that advertises "selling digital content easier and faster" for vendors leads not to any information... but to an email address. Yay for simplicity!

    Also, take a look at their page for sellers. Would you buy from this shady looking guy? What are these people thinking.

  7. Re:Here they go again... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Paypal is a mess simply because it was designed to screw customers from day one. they worked like hell to make sure they operated outside banking rules where there are laws protecting people and their money. Paypal can steal all your money and you cant do crap about it because they are "not a bank"

    People who are suprised by paypal problems simply dont pay attention or dont read what they agreed to. I've had zero problems with paypal for the past 11 years only because I know what they are, what their rules are and I play inside their ruleset. You have to play by Paypal's rules or they will go home taking their ball and your ball, chair, couch, ipod, and keys to your bank account.

    This is the same for any BANK you might use. Learn their rules carefully. Because they also take joy in screwing you.... Just deposited a $5000.00 in cash at 9:00am if I write a check at 3:00pm the check will bounce. because they process debits before payments as a lump at 12:01am the next morning.

    Banks love screwing people this way.

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  8. Re:Bloat by FuckingNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop using your credit card as a credit line, and start using it as a way to get up to 56 days extra interest on your money plus (often statutory) protections on purchases.

  9. Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! by mitgib · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long before eBay marks it as a non-trusted form of payment?

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  10. Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! by jbssm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. I wonder how Google checkout is still a non trusted form of Payment for an eBay auction. Are they afraid Google steals our 10$ ?

  11. Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! by VGPowerlord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long before eBay marks it as a non-trusted form of payment?

    How long after that would Visa start declining charges made through PayPal?

    Unlike Google, Visa can cause problems for eBay.

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  12. Re:Bloat by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most cards' grace period is now only 25 days. And the interest starts accruing from the purchase date, not the end of the grace period. Avoid credit cards if possible, as all their benefits are wiped out if you slip up once.

  13. Re:Bloat by FuckingNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most cards' grace period is now only 25 days.

    Really? My statement date for my Visa+Mastercard account, for example, is 15th of the month. So, if I buy something on 15th, I get until the statement on the following 15th plus 25 days. 56 days.

    And the interest starts accruing from the purchase date, not the end of the grace period.

    If your card isn't fully paid off every month, yes.

    Avoid credit cards if possible, as all their benefits are wiped out if you slip up once.

    If I don't remember - which I do - then my calendaring software reminds me. And, as a last resort, I have a Direct Debit set up to automatically pay the minimum amount - this is managd by the same bank which issues my card. I could make it the whole payment amount, but because I have a secondary card holder the funds come from multiple places.

    But yes, if you are terribly disorganised, you might want to get a credit card anyway while your salary+credit's good, then just not use it until you've learnt to organise your life better.

    Excepting where you wish to remain anonymous - then cash wins, as always.

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