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ICANN Likely Finally To Approve .xxx For Porn Sites
shmG writes with this from the International Business Times: "The company that oversees Web addresses is expected to give the go-ahead on Friday for the creation of a .xxx suffix for websites with pornographic content, company officials indicated on Thursday. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), which oversees the Internet on behalf of the US government, has in the past resisted creating a .xxx generic domain name system akin to those for .com and .net."
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Doesn't anyone bother to read the RFCs? (probably not, they're too interested in trying to sell domains to make money)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
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Hopefully, this is a sign that our policies are not dictated by the "Think of the children" crowd.
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How long till slashdot.xxx is registered and what will it link me to?
In all seriousness though, Will this cause a massive surge of porn hosts buying domain names that exist in .com or .net for .xxx (like google.xxx) so that people curious if it exists will stumble upon their porn site?
With the new rules letting any company/group create a TLD if they've got the money and infrastructure, it's only a matter of time before we'll be going to Sprite.coca-cola and BigMac.McD.... so why not give the sex operators a red light district that's easily blockable. Sure, it won't block 100% of porn, but it's one rule that can block 100% porn with no false positives.
I hope this doesn't encourage would-be censors to restrict the kinds of content allowed in non-xxx domains. Not all content fits neatly into an XXX designation, and even if it did it is simply not right to restrict XXX content to XXX domains. Having an XXX domain has always struck me as either pointless (insofar as XXX content might continue to be hosted on non-XXX domains) or otherwise a really bad idea (insofar as no XXX content may be allowed outside of XXX domains).
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Finally there will be porn on the internet.
Took them long enough!
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I wouldn't want a .xxx suffix - it would make it even easier for firewalls and parental controls to filter/block my site's content. If anything, I'd register it as a supplement to my .com or .net URL.
Nobody will use it. Using .xxx will allow every administrator to just wildcard block the .xxx domain, and I doubt its in the adult industry's best interest to use it.
It's almost baffling that the "oh, think of the children" crowd doesn't want this. I would think it would be of their interest to "force" (which I doubt could ever happen) adult companies to use the .xxx domains to allow this "dirty content" to be easily censored, and create a "red light district" of the internet, which you could just easily block with a simple wildcard filter. Fortunately, most of the censors are idiots and would rather put their head in the sand than acknowledge it exists and there is no way to get rid of it, since there will always be demand.
Either way, whatever ICANN approves or disapproves the usage of .xxx domains, it won't make a difference either way. The internet will be full of porn, everybody who wants it will be able to get it, and .xxx will continue to be unused, whether it's available or not.
I wouldn't want a .xxx suffix - it would make it even easier for firewalls and parental controls to filter/block my site's content. If anything, I'd register it as a supplement to my .com or .net URL.
Wait. Are you joking? Satire? At this time of day my satire and joke meter doesn't work.
If you're not.... Why can't you or anyone else respect the wishes of someone who wants to block that kind of content from their machine?
This idea for a .xxx domain is a brilliant idea! Folks who don't want it can easily block it and it will also make the "think of the children" argument moot when folks start crying "Let's regulate the internet and remove the porn!" We can point out that the "internet" has come up with its own solution and there's no need for any regulation on that point. The marketplace solved the problem on its own.
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So, why have they been rejecting it for so long?
If the religious fanatics say "sex is immoral", well, it's not like there's gonna be any MORE pr0n online. It's just giving them a different web address to use.
And by using .xxx it will make censoring it on your home computer(s) a LOT easier for parents who don't want their kids looking for any of it.
Or has it always been big corporations that have been opposing it, so that no one buys up coca-cola.xxx or something?
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This is the best improvement of the internets I've heard in years. Hunting for porn should be greatly enhanced if it's address is centralized! I wonder if those military guys who invented internets ever realized what would become of their tech.
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This will not work. at least, not the way they think it will.
.xxx domain. Ostensibly, to allow people to filter out 'porn'. Simply block the domain. A lofty goal, but it can't work this way.
What is the reason for a
1. Would a site be 'required' to register in that domain? Well, redtube.com wouldn't go away, they simply add redtube.xxx
2. One mans porn is another mans vacation pics.
3. Who would be the internet police? Fred Phelps? a Sharia imam? Owner of a Barcelona gay bar? Who decides?
4. Is this required? If I have some beach pics that include a girl in a tiny bikini, does that count? In that case, every photo sharing website counts.
5. There is always Rule 34.
It's also worth pointing out that "sex" and "xxx" probably only have meaning in American English - in British English, XXX certainly used to mean "beer".
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Members of the American religious right also oppose its creation on moral grounds.
I respect freedom of opinion, but this attitude is plain fucking stupid. As if pornography will become more/less prevalent if the .xxx tld is approved/denied.
This is the same brand of ignorance that believes teens will have more sex if educated about it, or that prostitution should be outlawed instead of regulated.
As a species, we wouldn't still be here if sex wasn't a big deal to us, but the range of cultural attitudes today is astounding. There's Amsterdam, where one can window shop for sexual services. There are ultra-religious societies where women must be covered from head-to-toe since, presumably, their men could not control themselves in the presence of exposed female flesh. There are countries where women have their genitals mutilated to prevent the enjoyment of sex. And there is America, where murder and violence are standard fare for entertainment, but God help us all if a nipple pops out!
What's going to stop them from continuing to flood the other TLD's and just redirect them to .xxx? WhiteHouse.com pointing to WhiteHouse.xxx seems to accomplish nothing. So the concern then is, of course, that soon you won't be able to exist as a porn operation in .com, and then it's a quick jump to lightswitch-style censorship of the entire .xxx TLD.
They've already stated they are going to start selling gTLDs themselves. Soon there will be no meaning - and more importantly no accountability - for the majority of all registrations. Anyone who is really looking to make money on something explicit will just wait for the crop of new gTLDs under which domains will be sold by people who are not held responsible in any way, shape, or form, by anyone, anywhere.
.xxx only to make a little more money off of it this way in comparison to what they would make by selling the .xxx gTLD in its entirety.
Most likely ICANN is setting up
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I always thought that if business sites were .com, then porn sites should be .cum
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I propose a .safe or .kids domain that are porn free and child safe. Let the rest of the Internet do whatever it wants.
It seems to me that creating a new TLD is like printing money. Anyone with a brand to protect will be coerced into buying up their {brand}.{TLD} to park it and prevent abuse. Consider for example: www.disney.xxx or www.ford.xxx Creating this won't eliminate porn on the other TLDs and centralized censorship is generally a bad idea.
If you're going to block .xxx, you probably have a very broad definition of porn.
A company, for instance, will want to block anything that could result in a lawsuit. That means blocking anything that someone might find tasteless.
Schools, with their "think of the children" mentality, have a similar attitude. They'll block anything that might not be appropriate for children. Bonus: medical sites probably won't fall under .xxx, so learning about breast cancer is still fine.
The very conservative/religious shudder at anything that shows more skin than a snow suit. Blocking .xxx is perfect for them.
If you don't fall under one of these categories, you probably won't be blocking .xxx anyway, so why does it matter who makes the definition?
As pointed out elsewhere, .com and friends will still have porn, so it's not as if the SI swimsuit edition will be forced onto .xxx -- it's all voluntary anyway. The people wanting to be on .xxx are the ones trying to promote their website as being pornographic. If you're blocking .xxx, your definition will definitely include almost every single site that gets blocked, guaranteed.
Their first choice was .cum, but they decided not to go with it.
Nobody will use it. Using .xxx will allow every administrator to just wildcard block the .xxx domain, and I doubt its in the adult industry's best interest to use it.
That's not how the XXX marking has ever worked, and that's not how the .xxx will work.
Any site that has a .xxx will have a .com as well. The .xxx will serve as a promotion, just like it always has. There's no such thing as a XXX-rated movie: that was made up to grab people's attention. The same goes with .xxx -- it shows potential visitors just how hardcore they are.
Adult sites shouldn't care that the .xxx will be blocked the .com takes care of that, really.
Without a mandate to move all porn to xxx, a new xxx TLD would be worse than useless. Indeed, since the laws of the US (supposedly) end at the borders, how would this stop a (foreign to the US) porn site owner from using the standard .com TLD?
Therefore blocking .xxx would not mean you are blocking all porn.
There are only two winners in this scenario of mandating porn go to .xxx: the politicians for doing something that doesn't actually, well, do anything substantial or helpful in any way. The other winner would be the .xxx registrar. Money and campaign contributions for nothing. .xxx would be just another TLD ghetto like .biz. I don't know of any legitimate businesses that use .biz instead of .com, and the ones that probably do have FQDNs that end in both .biz and .com.
It's not like domain names or TLDs matter much anymore. Yes, sex.com was worth a lot of money at one time. But that was before decent search engines. I have not gone anywhere on the Internet in many years by guessing a FQDN. It's been a long time since the 'net has been a "library without a card catalog."
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This was discussed a lot in 1996 in the IETF NewDom Working Group, which I participated in, and which partially lead to the creation of ICANN. What a zoo that was - it ended with Eugene Kashpureff going to jail for attacking the DNS root servers. For some reason, ".xxx" seemed to drive people crazy, and I am not sure it is much different today.
Excellent point. I can't wait for terrible smut like the following to be forced into .xxx and out of .va:
http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/x-Select/10select/10select_02.html
Nah, religion should be moved into the .com TLD, since it's a for-profit thing. Then tax the 'hell' out of it. :)
Step 1) Introduce tld .xxx
Step 2) Pass law that says, any site with porn must be in .xxx tld
Step 3) Block .xxx domain
Step 4) A working DNS alternative FINALLY shows up.
Seriously, DNS is pretty inefficient for the web, it organizes things into an outdated hierarchy that never really worked right in the first place (site.city.state.us? Really?). The problem is, we can't figure out a good open alternative, so we use the next best thing, search engines.
DNS was good when the Internet was much smaller and people wanted to map physical locations onto host names, but it's time to seriously think about replacing it, at least for the browser.
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there also appears to exist burqa fetishists.
I'm not sure why, but I find the thought of that more unsettling than most outlandish fetishes I've heard of. The mind-bending backwardness of it makes it seem somehow more "wrong".
It also suggests the possibility of a new porn genre - "irony porn".
No, that pretty much has the same problem. Who gets to decide what is "kid-friendly" enough to go in .kids and what isn't?
That's not even the biggest problem. Someone will inevitably put unarguably offensive material on the kid TLD. (Out of greed, trolling, whatever.) The shrill pro-censorship types, frustrated and indignant that their opt-in system didn't work out so hot, will just be encouraged to call for more regulation by government authorities—of the kid TLD or, hopefully not, the entire Internet.
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Here is how to solve that.
You put an agency in charge of verifying the site owners.
Make site owners liable.
You make it cost a few thousand dollars a year. Make it so they can loose it. the domain with no refunds.
In other word, fence that garden.
Make these people the watch dogs:
http://pbskids.org/
They don't like something they send notification of it to the agency in charge and the site owner.
upon verification, the site is pulled.
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I'd bet no one does it because no one one understands when someone says that.
If you're much of a voyeur, the idea that they *really* don't want you to see anything can add a bit of a thrill to whatever you do see.
I've never seen anyone in a burqa in person, but abayas are fairly common where I live. When one gets caught in the wind and presses up against the wearer and you see a clear outline of a nice leg and hip, it's actually kinda hot.
...when it comes to sex, they think of children.
I'll wager against you.
You may not have considered the logic-bending that's been going on.
1. Of course the Thinky crowd wants this. They just paid big money to *hide* to make this give a False-Innocence. .Com addresses will be depicted as "rogue" with huge marketing money your taxes will pay for.
2. The Censors will *eventually* pass a law that forces the Porn outfits to move, with an "Apply to Opt Out" clause. Say, 8 months in.
3. XXX will be phenomenally used, and the porn on
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Another one? Really? WHY do we need another TLD?
.com, .net, .org, .edu, .gov, and .arpa. All those weird new ones ICANN keeps adding that nobody will ever care about? Forget them. .info? Forget about it. Nobody uses it anyway. .tel? Who needs it? Not me. .xxx? Scratch it off the list. .biz? Isn't that exactly what .com was for? Forget it. Forget them all.
.com and .org really cover the gTLD bases pretty well. It's arguable whether .net was even really necessary, but it's been around for a long time and is widely used by ISPs, so keep it. Similarly we need .edu and .gov for backward compatibility (they logically belong under .us, but that's hindsight talking), and .arpa for reverse IP lookups. But that's it. None of the other gTLDs serve any useful purpose whatsoever.
It's awfully tempting to create an alternate DNS root that only recognizes the two-letter country code TLDs plus
Logically,
When new ones are added, it's NOT NEWS any more. They're irrelevant. Nobody cares. They've added at least a dozen worthless TLDs that will never be used since the last time any significant number of people cared about one.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
I think you are correct. In 96 or 98, this would have been like minting money. Now, not so much.
Step 1) Introduce tld .xxx
.xxx tld
.xxx domain
Step 2) Pass law that says, any site with porn must be in
Step 3) Block
Step 4) Totalitarianism
Step 5) Profit!
You'll end up with every porn company and opportunist domain squatter slamming registration like we've never seen before. TLDs not country or government specific made available in the past were not immediately desirable. If I owned sexyblonds.com for example, I probably wouldn't have been that anxious to register sexyblonds.tv when it was made available. But I'll definitely want to register sexyblonds.xxx as soon as possible. Especially if I believe (whether true or not) that adult content will be legally forced into the .xxx TLD at some point in the future. ICANN, or whatever organizations are responsible, might want to come up with a plan to throttle registration.
You're also going to end up with people registering and posting (maybe even related) adult content on sites like disney.xxx. I foresee many lawsuits.
1) you have just defined erotic image, where potentially not even a bare breast or bare genital are shown, as porn.
2) you shifted the definition so that now we have to determine the "intention" of the author.
Conclusionyour definition is about as arbitrary as it was before, and works would change category depending on who watch from Fred Phelps to larry Flint.
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I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
True enough - one could venture that a burqua is a self-fulfilling prophecy; by hiding everything, the male imagination is only more strongly attracted to finding out what's beneath.
By the (eventual) banishment of xxx to one area, it's just going to make it more prevalent in the public mind.
There is no way back. There is enough content out there for people to get their 15 minutes of 'new' content for a whole lifetime. Hardly any new porn is being produced.
I don't believe this. The industry has changed dramatically, that is true, but porn is being produced at massive rates. Vivid is doing well, kink.com is doing great, amateur sites are going strong. The 'production values', which were never high to begin with, have dropped simply because anybody with a webcam can produce porn. There is no storyline (always a thin veil), no plot or dialog, etc. just sex. The idea that 'hardly any new porn is being produced' in this multibillion dollar industry is insane; just visit the Adult Entertainment Expo. Maybe it's not making _you_ money, and there is huge churn in the industry, but it's a giant, and booming, industry.
Pirating has certainly hurt the larger, more professional producers, just as it has hurt the music and movie industries. But at least the music and movie industries continue to put out new and fresh products. New and interesting music is constantly being created; technology in movie creation and new story lines are always in progress. The underlying problem with the porn industry is that there are only so many different ways to fuck, and they have filmed them all. There is absolutely nothing new or different about the porn industry; there is simply a continual swapping of one young female for another in the films. The barrier for entry (so to speak!) into the industry now consists of buying a camera and filming someone having sex. So, the industry as a money making enterprise is in deep trouble because they offer nothing that two random strangers can't produce just by taking off their clothes and doing what comes naturally. The only advantage that they had in the past were controlled production and distribution mechanisms, and those are long gone. And good riddance.
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It would be nice if they could ban all adult websites to these address clusters, and avoid main web having adult content,
so as to make sure that the filters needed are much less intense then they have to be now...also could prosecute if a move is not done within allotted time frame...
On a separate note, it would be nice if all websites within this domain had to register on a list of offending parties such as sending out spam etc...so as to know which are ok and which are not, instead of blocking all adult content, there are some that pride themselves in not sending out bad pages, or pop ups etc....a sort of white list of good p0rn sites to visit, if there is such a thing...
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