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Flying Cars Hop Slightly Closer With FAA Weight Waiver

JimFive writes "For years we've been waiting for the flying car to arrive. The FAA has made an exemption that moves this one step closer to reality. Terrafugia has been granted a weight limit exemption for a 'Roadable Airplane.' Next up is passing the federal highway safety tests."

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  1. Say what? by djupedal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Years? Anyone? Anyone....? Bueller?

    - Moller Skycars: 1962

    Try decades.....nearly two generations if you go back to when PM touted them as the next step in the American dream...

    1. Re:Say what? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is a flying car. This is just an airplane that you can drive home to your garage so you don't have to pay exorbitant hangar fees.

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    2. Re:Say what? by gman003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is still a big step towards flying cars.

    3. Re:Say what? by wilbrod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Years? Anyone? Anyone....? Bueller?

      Refundable airframe reservations are being accepted with first delivery scheduled for late 2011.

    4. Re:Say what? by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably most of the "waiting" in popular culture was more about the one in Back to the Future, from 1985 (ok, mostly was flying in part II, in 1989), than anything else. It even had a specific date for having them, at 2015. But apparently we are a bit far away from personal, portable fussion reactors (that can be feed with just garbage), antigrav devices and, well, time machines, in less than 5 years, but i still don't lose hope. A flying DeLorean can still land on Cyberdyne 20 years ago and we would have them by now (of course, that could end being a bad nightmare too, like being all killed by antigrav robots or blue butterflies)

    5. Re:Say what? by OldTOP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But really not the point.

      As a lot of people have pointed out, flying is harder than driving. A roadable airplane would appeal to an existing market of licensed pilots. The concept of a flying car is that you trade in the clapped out Taurus and take off in your new whirlygig from the dealer's parking lot and somehow make your way home without making an appearance on the nightly news -- assuming that such mayhem had not become too commonplace to make the news any more.

      This project actually expands the potential market a bit, since they've managed to get it certified as a Light Sport Aircraft (LSA). You only need a Sport Pilot license to fly it, and you can get one more easily (and cheaply) than a Private Pilot license. There are restrictions (only one passenger, no night flying, and don't go near the major airports, for example -- and even with a Private Pilot license, the restrictions apply because it's an LSA) but it would be great for recreational use.

      You'd still have to keep the old Taurus on the road, because you certainly wouldn't want someone rendering your $100K LSA un-airworthy while you left it in the supermarket parking lot.

      "Roadable" means you don't have to leave it at the airport, and if you run into bad weather you can land and drive home, and if you fly down to the airport near the beach, you can drive the rest of the way -- if you think it's safe to park it off the airport.

      Taking an airplane and making it roadable may not seem like much of an idea if you were thinking of the Jetsons, but if you're already a pilot, or are thinking about becoming one, it's a pretty neat idea.

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    6. Re:Say what? by BrightSpark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With you here. Most idiots can't control their clapped out Taurus's (or is that Tauri?) so how on earth will they manage flying? I see old farts pull out in carparks straight into each other all the time - even with just 30' of height that will be all over red rover! And don't start me on energy/benefit either. Do you really want to get to work quicker and pay more doing it? C'mon guys, we're /. nerds we can see past this one. Hey guys ....

    7. Re:Say what? by bmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Refundable airframe reservations are being accepted with first delivery scheduled for late 2011.

      HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

      Do you know what an unsecured debt is? That's what this is. Unsecured debts are *last* on the list in any bankruptcy.

      Considering the Moller skycar being anything but pure decades-old vaporware, the "refundable" feature doesn't take the edge off of the potential that the company might go belly up in the next minute.

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    8. Re:Say what? by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Flying is easy if you're the only bird in the air.

      Flocking is not easy. Thousands of flamingoes can fly together and land together without killing or maiming each other. I doubt that many humans can "flock" like that.

      It's more like formation flying.

      So, I'm fine with flying cars if they make the license requirements stringent enough:

      Able to stick in formation and designated air-lanes even when:
      1) The phone rings
      2) Some kid puts his hands around your eyes.
      3) Someone drops stuff in the car while you (and others in formation) are making a difficult maneuver
      4) Suffering a sudden, significant but not totally incapacitating condition.
      5) Sleepy or mentally operating at 80% of norm (and not fly if < 80%). Nobody is going to be at 100% all the time.

      Many pilots have stayed with their plane risking (or even losing) their lives without ejecting because they know their plane would kill others if they ejected. That's the degree of professionalism and responsibility I'd want from someone whose allowed to fly a multi-ton vehicle above a densely populated city on a regular basis.

      The average driver should not be allowed to fly anywhere close to a populated area.

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    9. Re:Say what? by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So someone who has never piloted an aircraft before has a better chance of landing it than flying it level? Try again.

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    10. Re:Say what? by joe_frisch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An airplane that can be driven would be great - if there were no other disadvantages. The problem is that aircraft are already such optimized designs that you take a big performance hit when you modify them for road use. You end up with something that is a mediocre airplane and a mediocre car. If you look at the specs, the "useful load" is 430 pounds. Useful load includes fuel (30 pounds an hour). This means you can barely carry 2 average sized adults. For such a low speed aircraft (100 Kts) it needs a lot of runway (1700' to 50' obstacle clearance). These are all worse performance numbers than an ancient Cessna 172.

      Flying also isn't as simple as just driving onto the runway and taking off. Most pilots insist on doing a pre-flight inspection of the plane and some amount of flight planning. In principal you can get a sport pilot license in 20 hours, but in practice few pilots are comfortable doing cross country trips until they have > 100 hours.

      Maintenance may also be an issue - do you need a certified mechanic to do anything to your car / plane? That would make its road use very expensive.

  2. I hate the idea of flying cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What people really want is personal airplanes they can buy for cheap, land anywhere, and manually control, like on the Jetson's, but probably better looking. Would any of you truly feel safe with that kind of thing mass-produced and essentially replacing the automobile? Most people have problems with 2-D control, much less 3-D. Even with multiple levels of safety systems, and a computer programmed to somehow prevent people from doing stupid things, I still don't trust any of you to not fly into my house. Too much can go wrong with flying objects everywhere, especially in the hands of the plebs.

    1. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to disparage your opinion of the average person's flying ability as I'm sure most of us would agree with that, but..

      I don't understand where this attitude came from that because you anticipate someone, some day, may crash into your house that you would ban anyone, ever, from having a flying vehicle. I know that's not precisely what you're saying, but I don't understand how you imagine a ban on these vehicles would actually work. For example, if you're suggesting that no-one should be able to fly one of these vehicles without first obtaining a pilot's license then I would say ok, no problem, couldn't agree with you more.. but I don't think you are. I think what you're saying is that you don't want there to be a populous movement to acquire a pilot's license as that will somehow make flying more dangerous. Or, maybe, you're saying that no aircraft should be allowed to fly near your house... but I find that a terribly strange position to take because there's already laws against that..

      So, uhhh.. could you maybe clarify what exactly it is you're opposed to and what action you imagine should (or shouldn't) be taken to prevent it?

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    2. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would want personal flying cars to only be able to take off and land in designated areas, far away from living areas, like my house. Which would basically mean they are restricted to the airport, and designated airways.

      This is not what people who want "flying cars" want. They want to be able to fly their cars anywhere, land in their driveways. Otherwise what is the point of calling it a "flying car" and not "airplane"?

      I don't mind everyone getting pilot's licenses, but again, people who want a "flying car" don't want to get one. They want a toy without any more training than a driver's license. Combined with the general ineptitude and idiocy of the population, I don't see a personal airplanes ever catching on with everyone. It is just a stupid idea.

      Even if everyone got a pilot's license, I don't trust normal people with that kind of responsibility. What a dumb idea. Futuristic mental masturbation, really.

    3. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if everyone got a pilot's license, I don't trust normal people with that kind of responsibility. What a dumb idea. Futuristic mental masturbation, really.

      I see your point. Automated aircraft are here now, while automated surface vehicles are a long way off. So maybe the "flying car" when it comes will be largely automated. The pilot will say "take me to X,Y" and the computers will do the rest.

    4. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're mistaken. I follow F1 a lot and whilst I'm no expert, I can assure you that the reason why driver aids were limited was the opposite of what you believe. Driver aids were limited because they were too good and consequently driver skill mattered less. Drivers were not competing with each other anymore - the teams' driver aids were. If any driver could outperform such systems, teams would obviously have removed them voluntarily.

    5. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well I am talking about aircraft. Many military jets are almost impossible to fly without computer assistance. The airframe is unstable in the sense that without control input they would tumble about and crash.

    6. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by FlyingGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a pilot, the part I am mostly opposed to is that you don't have to have a medical exam to fly this fucking contraption. If I can't pass my medical I cannot even fly a Cessna 150 which weighs in at about the same as this thing does. What scares me more then anything is the idea of a bunch of executives who are on their 3rd bypass operation having a fucking heart attack and then crashing into whatever happens to be below them, or worse having auto pilot that keeps the thing flying into down town San Francisco or Oakland or Atlanta, or whatever and killing a whole lot of people.

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    7. Re:I hate the idea of flying cars by ghjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the special exception is called "Light Sport Aircraft." The criteria are that it can have no more than 2 seats, no more than 120 knots normal cruise, no more than 1320 lbs gross weight, and various other more technical requirements. The Cessna 150/152 does not qualify because it weighs 1600+ lbs. There are dozens of LSA models on the market.

      LSA aircraft can be flown with a new category of pilot certification that requires less training and does not require a formal medical exam. (Although you're supposed to self-disqualify if you become aware of an adverse medical condition.)

  3. Already got one... by drwho · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes you see I've already got one. The flying, though, isn't the difficult part. It's the landing that's a bitch. Gravity sucks. Quick change of inertia sucks more.

    1. Re:Already got one... by wernercd · · Score: 2, Funny

      No... the first 8.5 inches hurt too... ask your mom. Thank you... I'll be here all week.

  4. Duck. by w0mprat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People have enough trouble using their turn signals, safe following distances and I don't know, general road rules? Adding a 3rd dimension and 200mph is asking for chaos. So what we're talking about is a aircraft that fits in a domestic garage and has road-legal extended taxiing ability. It's still a aircraft first. Thankfully.

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    1. Re:Duck. by cynyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but there is a lot more space, and make an annoying blinking beeping light if they are too close... They should do that on road cars now that i think of it. use the speedo and the radar range finder, to figure out the "safe minimum distance" granted it wouldn't know about things like cold wet brakes, or black ice... but it would be helpful as a "you are way too fucking close" sort of light.

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  5. A little late! by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was told we would have flying cars in the year 2000. Where are my flying cars damnit!

  6. Re:I do not give.... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...a flying fuck.

    No, no, you've got it all wrong--it's a flying car. A flying fuck is an entirely different thing and, as anyone who's ever banged a flight attendant can attest, probably almost as much fun. Easier to find and no hangar fees to pay, either.

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  7. Obligatory xkcd link by zill · · Score: 2, Funny
  8. Weight limit? by AnAdventurer · · Score: 2, Informative

    1500 pounds? Humm, you are going to drive that on the hwy? You are braver then I. I think the Jeep Wrangler weighs twice that. What kind of engine is in a 1500 pound plane, wait I know, what kind of safety cage is in that? Oh, wait I know that too.

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    1. Re:Weight limit? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I drive an 11 kilo bicycle to work on highways. Maybe the real problem is with the Jeep Wrangler et al.

    2. Re:Weight limit? by cynyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you sir speak the truth, the problem isn't the bike/small car, but the guy on his phone in his 2.5 ton SUV, drinking his coffee. I vote the limit for a drivers license be 2000 LB, and that it must be a stick, unless you apply for an exemtion from the state for physical disability to drive a stick. You try driving a stick in rush hour while on the phone, eating a bagel, drinking coffee. Bet it sorts it's self out after a few weeks.

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  9. Flying cars already happened, you idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We call them helicopters.

    Most of you cannot afford one, and will never be able to afford one.

    Tough shit for you.

    I've got one.

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  10. Not primarily for avoiding hanger fees by jjo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Terrafugia "roadable airplane" (not flying car) is designed principally to make the airplane more practical for trips where either
    1. nearby airports with convenient ground transportation are not available, or
    2. due to weather, it may not be possible to fly the entire route in a light airplane

    The Terrafugia does save money on rental cars, but much more importantly, it makes it practical to use small airports where rental cars are difficult or impossible to obtain. On round trips with several days between the outbound and inbound legs, it is difficult or impossible to be sure that the weather will be aceptable for the return flight. With a roadable airplane, if the weather turns bad you just drive home instead of flying.

  11. Re:Bad Idea by Larryish · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow.

    20mm cannons on the roof?

    Awesome.

    Bring on the flying cars!

  12. Drivers aids are like hearing aids by tivoKlr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're right, drivers aids in F1 were limited as to make driver participation a part of the sport. Drivers aids in current road automobiles are a reaction to the absolutely horrific driving skills of the average driver, or even worse, the aging driver.

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  13. Light Sport Aircraft and Major Airports by BBCWatcher · · Score: 2, Informative

    Light sport aircraft are permitted at major airports in the U.S., including Class B airports. You may be thinking of the modest restrictions on traditional Experimental Category aircraft. Pilots with a sport pilot license must receive additional training and a specific endorsement to fly to/from airports within Class B, C, and D airspace, but there's no restriction on the LSA, assuming it is transponder-equipped.

  14. It's been done at least three times in the past. by whizbang77045 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There have been at lest three flying cars in the past. There was Molt Taylor's Aerocar, one design in the 50's from an organization in Greenville, Texas, and another whose genesis I don't specifically remember. At least the Aerocar (and maybe the others) had FAA certification. Once the technical problems have been surmounted, it always winds up that the cars are using an expensive aircraft engine to drive down the road. The cost of driving goes up fantastically. People say they want a car that can be flown (or an aircraft that can be driven), but when it comes to actually buying it, the cost of operation drives them away rather quickly. The thing that distinguishes this latest effort is that it supposedly will meet the light sport aircraft (LSA) criteria. That would open it up to a much wider range of potential purchasers, since it could be flown with lessened pilot criteria. It's pretty obvious it didn't meet the LSA criteria. The FAA wavier is to allow this thing to be heavier than the LSA rules otherwise allow. I wish these people luck, but history suggests they are investing their development dollars in the wrong place.

  15. Re:It's been done at least three times in the past by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cost of operation should be in the ballpark for a typical aircraft. Granted, that's a lot more than a car, but it's a non-issue here, since this isn't intended to be a car replacement. Despite hype in headlines, this is meant to be used as a roadable aircraft, not a flyable car. No one will be looking to buy one who wasn't already looking at buying an airplane, and will expect it to cost as much as it actually does to operate. They're competing with Cessna, not Toyota, and they have an advantage that will be worth a little extra dough for some people.

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  16. Re:Bad Idea by phoenix321 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Incorrect:

    On the ground, you have limited options to avoid random drivers. But you can STOP, in fact, everyone involved can. Try that in midair.