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iOS Update May Tackle iPhone 4's Antenna Problems

DJRumpy was one of several readers to point out rumors that Apple will soon be deploying an update to iOS 4 to combat the iPhone 4 antenna problems we discussed last week. This could be good news for users of the 1.7 million iPhone 4s purchased during the first three days of its release. (And no, Daily Mail, Steve didn't announce a recall, though there's speculation that this problem could be a boon for Android.) An anonymous reader notes an analysis of a teardown of the phone, which found that its parts collectively cost about $188, with the most expensive part — the LCD screen — costing $28.50 by itself. In other Apple news, Germany has demanded that the company "immediately make clear" what data it collects from customers, and what use it makes of that data (perhaps spurred by Google's Wi-Fi sniffing debacle).

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  1. Interested to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How a software update will fix an human-caused short circuit.

    1. Re:Interested to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It won't but it will change the refresh rate of the antenna signal strength meter so you won't notice the signal going down anymore.

    2. Re:Interested to know... by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fix is expected to address a issue in iOS 4 related to radio frequency calibration of the baseband. Readers who saw the original forum discussions say that the issue is believed to occur when switching frequencies; because the lag is allegedly not calibrated correctly, it results in the device reporting "no service" rather than switching to the frequency with the best signal to noise ratio.

      iOS 4 introduced some enhancements to how the baseband selects which frequencies to use, so it makes sense that the error may have crept into those changes. Additionally, this explains why iOS 4 has also caused similar problems for iPhone 3GS users.

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    3. Re:Interested to know... by timster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's all speculation at this point. But the best speculation possible is based on reports that the iPhone 4 was designed to look for towers with lower congestion, even if they might have a weaker signal. If this is the case (and I don't personally know) it's possible that this feature is simply too aggressive, or not aggressive enough about switching back to the strong tower when attenuation occurs.

      Speculation, as I said. I don't think anyone really knows for sure.

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    4. Re:Interested to know... by yakumo.unr · · Score: 4, Informative
    5. Re:Interested to know... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps they'll enable the built-in Tazer and zap any users who grab it the wrong way.

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    6. Re:Interested to know... by jsveiga · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It won't but it will change the refresh rate of the antenna signal strength meter so you won't notice the signal going down anymore.

      ...so when the call quality gets bad, you'll be able to blame the network, not Apple.

      ...and on the transmit side, the software will pump up more average power than what the network power control requests, so your battery life will get worse, and overall network (WCDMA) performance will be degraded for all users in the neighborhood.

    7. Re:Interested to know... by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now you're exaggerating. It will be just an easy to access (user friendliness, remember!) tutorial showing the only proper way to hold a mobile phone.

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    8. Re:Interested to know... by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The information I saw stated that they change the antenna priority from 'strongest signal' to 'most reliable', whatever that means. This change was introduced in iOS4. The same issues have also been reported in iPhone 3G and 3GS, which would seem to reinforce the idea that this may be software related. Although having the antenna's outside the case may exaggerate the issue, it does not appear to be the primary factor.

      iPhone 3G: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfgAXmK0b4

      iPhone 3GS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ztRup6cLs

      General YouTube results:

      http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...gnal+ios4&aq=f

      Additionally, here is the link that I first found reporting the antenna priority change:

      http://www.electronista.com/articles...rly.next.week/

      It will be interesting to see how Apple handles this. I recall they had similar issues with frequencies on the first generation iPhone.

      If the issue was strictly related to the external antenna's, we wouldn't be seeing this issue pop up once 3G and 3GS users upgraded to iOS4.

    9. Re:Interested to know... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      The most interesting part of the new "A4" is its concealed chamber of iBot(tm) nanites. These tiny robots feature a robust and elegant objective C API and GrandCentral support, for efficient parallel activity, whether it be reconfiguring antennas or synthesizing V-series nerve agents in the blood vessels of those who jailbreak their devices.

    10. Re:Interested to know... by jsveiga · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... the iPhone 4 was designed to look for towers with lower congestion, even if they might have a weaker signal.

      That sounds strange. Only while in idle mode (no calls in place) a GSM/UMTS phone has some autonomy to select the cell site to which it will "listen" to.

      If the iPhone follows the UMTS standards, while in a call it reports received signal information from neighboring cell sites (or towers) to the network, and the network then decides which cell site(s) the phone will use (or switch to, what is called handoff). The phone has to obey the network's decision, so the only way that the phone software could affect the cell site choices would be to send "fake" (or wrong) received signal information back to the network (which would violate the GSM/UMTS standard).

    11. Re:Interested to know... by Ryvar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's *possible* that the very slight short circuit of a user's palm is playing havoc with the frequency calibration system. This would also neatly explain why people are more often reporting that the signal gradually falls off over several seconds rather than instantly.

      If that's the case, then Apple *might* be able to retool the frequency calibration code to ignore the mild short circuit.

      In all likelihood, the answer is probably to ship all future iPhone 4s with a very thin layer of clear resin (nail polish works wonders on the existing ones)over the external metallic surfaces.

      --Ryvar

    12. Re:Interested to know... by djupedal · · Score: 5, Informative

      The phone is not in charge of decisions at that level, sorry.

      That's like each a commuter on a train deciding when the train will leave the station....

      Loads are governed by the cell network hardware. Some phones are in cars, moving thru rapidly and they may leapfrog...some are still and they may get priority. For those networks that 'breathe' (expand and contract based on load), it would be especially hazardous if the devices could negotiate which cell on their own....not going to happen :)

    13. Re:Interested to know... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Access the built-in compass and warn the user to face Mecca^H^H^H^H^HCupertino while placing iPhone calls.

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    14. Re:Interested to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I suppose you have taken classes in waves & fields to justify your claimed expertise on this subject?

      The problem is, according to the theory, that the two antennae are short-circuited by your sweaty palm, resulting in a different overall antenna length, thus shifting its best frequency response to a different frequency than the one for which Apple tuned its reception.

      As such, both antennae are always in use, and if they are short-circuited, "temporarily cutting off the antenna not in use" is not only impossible but would not change the problem: the antennae are effectively one due to the short-circuit. Cutting one of them off wouldn't fix the short-circuit.

    15. Re:Interested to know... by mrops · · Score: 5, Funny

      It will boost the transmit power so high that the user will feel a little tingle of an electric shock if the antenna is shorted by this obvious inappropriate use of this godly device.

      In related news, apple fanboys have chopped of their thumbs as it is obviously a flaw in human design.

      Religious leaders were heard blaming god for designing man in his faulty image while evolutionist think that humans will eventually evolve so that this antenna problem mitigates itself.

    16. Re:Interested to know... by Stick32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Easy... You get the icon to always display 3-5 bars. Then everyone can go back to blaming AT&T's network for dropped calls, as usual...

    17. Re:Interested to know... by mini+me · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hence the "Stay tuned" comment from a recent Jobs email.

    18. Re:Interested to know... by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Standards aren't Variables don't.

      Are you high?

    19. Re:Interested to know... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Zapping your finger is probably the easiest way to get you to stop shorting out the antenna... and you'll probably learn pretty quickly to not to do it in the first place. Definitely a hack, but a solution nonetheless.

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    20. Re:Interested to know... by erroneus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I was going to say most of what you said so now I don't need to. I thought the conclusion was rather obvious. Apple should issue a recall, but since Apple doesn't make mistakes, a recall isn't necessary.

    21. Re:Interested to know... by sexconker · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is a short. By bridging the bezels you alter the electrical length, and thus the resonant frequency, of the antenna. It happens 100% of the time you bridge the bezels. Whether or not you lose reception a little bit or all the way depends on the many other factors that affect your reception normally.

    22. Re:Interested to know... by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where is the app for that? (tm)

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    23. Re:Interested to know... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you sure it's reception that's the problem? One test I've seen (update 4) indicates that you can still get downloads, but the upload and ping go completely away. Theoretically boosting transmit power should help that issue.

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    24. Re:Interested to know... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jobs' assistant: Sir. We have now sold 50 million iPhones to key people around the world.
      Shall we activate the secret mind control application now?
      Jobs: Why bother?

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    25. Re:Interested to know... by Xest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would the patents Nokia is currently suing Apple over cover those parts of the GSM/UMTS standard?

      Could this be the problem? That because Apple has refused to pay the patent fee that it's having to either try and work around the patents, or because it's out on it's own having no support from the developers of the standard because it hasn't licensed them?

  2. Steve responds by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Germany has demanded that the company "immediately make clear" what data it collects from customers,

    "All of it," replies Steve.

    and what use it makes of that data

    "Good use," replies Steve.

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    1. Re:Steve responds by Tisha_AH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes good old Stevie was claiming the problem was with the operators and demanded a modification of the UOS (user operating system).

      Sorry dude but it will be a few years before you can implant all of that Apple hardware directly into our brains.

      When I read his rather terse reply about "well, hold the phone differently" I was surprised. And this is from the company that made its riches by making hardware and software adapt to the users needs.

      Now it's like "the hell with you, we are omnipresent and omnipotent, you will bow down and kiss my ass".

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    2. Re:Steve responds by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For some time now Apple has not cared about functionality, looks have trumped all. Started around the time of the puck mouse, and then in earnest with OS-X, when they threw out a good deal of UI research that their own HIG discovered.

      These days it is all about shiny. If something looks cooler, it is pushed for, regardless of if that is a good design idea. Another recent example would be internal power supplies in the Time Capsules. They generate too much heat and you see the units failing in large numbers after about a year and a half. Much smarter design would be an external PSU, but that wouldn't look as cool so it wasn't done.

      So this isn't surprising either. Apple decided that the all glass, antenna around the edge design looked cool. They didn't bother to do proper research as it if it would be a problem. I'm not saying that it is obvious, but you'd think in the course of a new antenna you'd consult with a PhD or two on it. The PhD here who does antenna research said "That looks like trouble, people will interfere with the antenna by holding it." For that matter maybe someone did tell them and they said "Who cares, it works well enough and looks cool."

      Apple stopped being the usability king some time ago. That isn't to say they never do anything right or don't make usable devices, just that they are more concerned with looks than usability. If the two collide, looks will win out.

    3. Re:Steve responds by mikael_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds to me like you cherry-picked the puck mouse example (also, this is a product from 1998 you're talking about).

      As for OS X, all my experience with it, previous versions of Mac OS, practically every desktop Windows version since 3.x and a boatload of X11 window managers (including but not limited to: PWM, FVWM1/2, Openstep, Enlightenment, Metacity, IceWM, 4DWM, Blackbox, Fluxbox...) tells me that it's better than most if not all of the competitors in many ways (although if you have a very specialized workflow then you may benefit from another UI but as a general desktop OS it's definitely one of the better and sure beats previous incarnations of Mac OS).

      Can't speak for the Time Capsule as I have never even seen one of those IRL but it does sound like you're confusing "shiny" with "easy to handle", the average user (the kind of person who would buy a turnkey backup unit like the Time Capsule) doesn't want extra cables and power bricks, they want something dead simple.

      Finally, the iPhone 4. Yeah, this does seem like a bit of an issue but for all we know they did usability research and found that only 0.003% of all users they tested it on actually held the phone in a way that shorted out the antenna. Still, does seem like a bad bug to let out in the open (but I'm not yet convinced they won't be able to fix it in software, there were a few other glitches with the iPhone 3G that had the anti-Apple crowd screaming "DEFECTIVE HARDWARE UNPOSSIBLE TO FIX IRREPARABLY BORKEN BUY A BLACKBERRY AND ZUNE INSTAED!!1" yet they were fixed in the 3.0.1 release of the OS).

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    4. Re:Steve responds by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Informative

      but as a general desktop OS it's definitely one of the better

      True.

      and sure beats previous incarnations of Mac OS

      False. OS X's Finder is significantly poorer than Mac Classic's Finder, and that's after a decade of development. (Imagine where the Classic version would be with another decade to perfect it...) The thing, the Classic UI wasn't just a product, it was a *philosophy* with the aforementioned HIG as its Bible... it wasn't just about Macs, it was about usability specifically, how to adapt a software product to a human being.

      (A fundamental point: humans have evolved for millions of years to be the way we are. If humans are naturally better at something, say spatial memory over rote memory, you should make use of it. Meanwhile, nearly all computer UIs still rely on rote memorization to some extent.)

      The real problem is that most people using Macs now never used Mac Classic, so they simply do not know what a truly great UI experience looks like. They're coming from Windows-- sure, OS X is (arguably) still better than Windows. But it's not *nearly* as better as it was in 1998. Not by a long shot.

      (Just like if you say a spatial file browser is great, people say "no it sucked, it was in Windows 95." It sucked because Microsoft screwed up the implementation, not because it's a bad idea.)

      And to clarify before the nitpickers come on: I'm just talking about the UI design. Yes, I know they multitasked poorly. Yes, I know they crashed due to no memory protection. But the UI was brilliant, and still has not been replicated in any other product since.

    5. Re:Steve responds by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OS-X, in particular the early dock, is just a POS. Completely about the shiny tech demo, not about usability. Frankly if you want to see a dock like interface done right, look at Windows 7. The OS-X dock was made to look cool, not to be clear and easy to use. It was far inferior to the interfaces it replaced in Classic. However people liked it, because it looked cool in the store and on video. They were attracted to the shiny, they didn't consider usability.

      I guess I and lots of people I know (yay, anecdote!) are exceptions to this then. The OS X dock was dead simple to grasp, just looking at it made sense quickly ("Apps without a marker under aren't running, those with a marker under are running, apps not already in the dock get added to the far-right of the dock while running", that's about it) but the win7 taskbar/dock just seems like an over-engineered mess to me (this has also been the most common complaint about win7 from friends of mine who have upgraded to win7 with several of them asking me if I knew the easiest way to make it "behave like windows 2000" and another question being "how do I know if a program is running or not?").

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  3. Didn't Jobs say.. by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way."

    Now the iPhone won't have a sensitive area? Huh?

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  4. Seems like a stretch. by wolrahnaes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know modern radio platforms have a lot of software flexibility, but the limited knowledge of antennas I've picked up from messing with long-range WiFi and my ham radio experiments tells me this is not something that can be patched out with an OS upgrade.

    That is unless the OS upgrade comes with a coupon for a free rubber bumper thingy...

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  5. Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    AppleInsider article by Daniel Eran Dilger.

    Oh dear.

  6. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Irrespective of the possibility of fixing the issue in software (on which subject I expect there will be no shortage of ill-informed opining here), Dilger's not what you'd call a trustworthy source.

    1. Re:Mod parent up! by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Irrespective of the possibility of fixing the issue in software (on which subject I expect there will be no shortage of ill-informed opining here), Dilger's not what you'd call a trustworthy source.

      Because the people who broke this "story" are such a trustworthy bunch with no scores to settle ? This whole thing is a non-story and only useful as link bait for the tech "press" while the iphone 4 is hot.

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  7. Re:IOS == Cisco Internetworking Operating System by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I call name collision. Please refer to the iPhone/iPad operating system as something other than IOS because Cisco used it first.

    We are all glad that you noticed so quickly. However, the name of the iPhone and iPad operating system _is_ iOS and Apple is paying Cisco license fees for the use of the name. So since Cisco agrees with Apple's use of the name, I think that settles the matter. And all of this was known weeks ago :-(

  8. I already solved the antenna problems by kuzb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Names for the fix may vary. I call the fix "Nexus One". You might call it "Evo 4G", or any number of other names. Regardless of what you call it, I'm sure it will work equally well!

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    1. Re:I already solved the antenna problems by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      As do all handsets

      This is not true. Handsets used to have thest things called "antennae" that stuck out of the body of the unit.

      They actually got better reception when held because the human body holding the handset made the other half of a dipole.

      In new designs with the "antenna" buried in the phone, the human body just couples ground to itself and becomes a thicker shield.

    2. Re:I already solved the antenna problems by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How this got through QA is beyond me.

      It looks good.

    3. Re:I already solved the antenna problems by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny, cause my Motorola Droid has a plastic case and my skin never comes in contact with the antena.

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    4. Re:I already solved the antenna problems by Tridus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well yeah, but that was back in the dark ages when cell phones were expected to reliably act as phones.

      These days they're a fashion accessory. If it actually works as a phone is kind of a side point as long as you can have loads of garbage apps.

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  9. Prices aren't close to right. by Mazin07 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do these people still not know how cellphones are priced? A 8GB iPhone 3GS is about $530, and prices for the iPhone 4 are expected to be $600 to $700. The $199 price quoted in TFA is only after you agree to a ~$2000 contract.

  10. Re:is this a software problem? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except that iOS 4 has caused similar issues with the 3GS models.

    The fix is expected to address a issue in iOS 4 related to radio frequency calibration of the baseband. Readers who saw the original forum discussions say that the issue is believed to occur when switching frequencies; because the lag is allegedly not calibrated correctly, it results in the device reporting "no service" rather than switching to the frequency with the best signal to noise ratio.

    iOS 4 introduced some enhancements to how the baseband selects which frequencies to use, so it makes sense that the error may have crept into those changes. Additionally, this explains why iOS 4 has also caused similar problems for iPhone 3GS users.

  11. BT, DT, fool me once... by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is the same thing they said about the EDGE/3G wobble in the Nexus One.

    The "update" didn't change a fucking thing.

  12. Re:No 2-for-1 iPhone offers by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Android needs a task manager but doesn't come with one.

    False. Android doesn't need a task manager: the OS suspends tasks when they become unused (leaving them in memory but not using any CPU), and kills them when it needs to reclaim their memory. Task managers are for people with OCD and people who are confused about how Android's multitasking works.

    The most popular Android task manager doesn't show which apps are consuming the battery most.

    Android 2.x has that built in: Settings | About phone | Battery use

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  13. Re:IOS == Cisco Internetworking Operating System by Dracker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple licensed the name from Cisco. There's no legal problem.

  14. How many here have an iPhone 4? by sjonke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you do, do you experience the antenna shorting signal drop to zero issue? I'm curious, because 99% of the messages I see about this issue, on all forums, are from people talking about the problem, but who do not make any mention of actually have an iPhone 4 nor even of knowing anyone who has the problem. Now, maybe in fact everyone who has an iPhone 4 has this issue, but I am having a hell of a time trying to figure that out. And I'm trying to figure that out because I've got an iPhone 4 on order and I'd like to know if I should keep it. Android fans declaring, definitively, perhaps spurred on by the speculation of a specialist who doesn't have an iPhone 4 either, that the iPhone 4 has a fatal flaw does not tell me one way or the other. iPhone 3GS, 3G and iPhone owners saying that the iPhone 4 has a fatal flaw tells me nothing. The only people I want to hear from are genuine iPhone 4 users. So... do you have the issue?

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    1. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by BitHive · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have one. I can indeed shave a bar off the signal strength meter by nestling the lower-left corner into my palm. Practically speaking, I haven't had any dropped calls or any problems at all. In fact, I see a larger fluctuation in signal strength just walking around my house. For me, this is such a non-issue that it's kind of mind-boggling to see so many discussions about this. I guess I don't care about my iPhone 4 as much as most people seem to.

    2. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by turb · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have one and thus far comparing it to my 3Gs, reception seems to be markedly better. I'm in a fairly rural area on the edge of AT&T service. I just don't see what the fuss is about.

    3. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by silicone_chemist · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have an iPhone 4 and do NOT experience any signal drop when holding it. I've held it in my hand covering every single joint between the three antennas and no change. I am unable to duplicate the issue.

    4. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by alodien · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do, and I have the issue. When I am out in good signal areas, I have no issues at all. But it is now horrible when I hold at at my home where my average signal was good, but not great with my iPhone 3G.

      I now talk with it on speakerphone or have to hold it very carefully on the top of the phone or else I will drop the call (at home). I can reproduce this every time I use the phone. If I am just browsing on wifi holding the phone in the palm of my hand with the "death grip", then about 50% of the time I show no bars, and the other half it says "No Service". My wife, using my old iPhone 3G right next to me will show to change at all (holding steady between 2-3 bars).

    5. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by blurryrunner · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are 4 iPhone 4s in our office. We all experience the issue. 3 came at the same time and was ordered through AT&T and the other came straight from apple.

      I did see a theory about it being related to what is running the tower. This seems to fit for me since at work none of us have the problem, but at our homes we have the issue. It could also be that we have a tower 100 yards away in plain view...

      br/

    6. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by Manfesto · · Score: 2, Informative

      a) Yes, I have an iPhone 4.
      b) Yes, I can recreate the signal drop issue (although I can't get it to drop to zero).
      c) No, I don't consider it to be a fatal flaw.

      To expand:
      a) I bought one on launch day after reserving it back on June 15th. Not much else to say there.

      b) By palming the phone in my left hand, I can get the signal bars to drop from five bars to three bars. I've also performed speed tests to compare 3G speeds when held differently. Here are those results (using the Speedtest.net app):

      Held in Right Hand: 4.14Mbps down, 1.38Mbps up, 396ms ping
      Held in Left Hand: 3.16Mbps down, 0.49Mbps up, 1208ms ping

      So yes, palming the phone in the left hand has a measurable impact on signal quality.

      c) I didn't bother doing this test until I'd actually heard this was an issue, because I simply didn't notice it. The first thing I did with my iPhone when I had it out of the box and was still in the Apple Store was put it in a bumper case.

      When I'd heard there was an issue, I asked my girlfriend if she'd had any issues, but she also didn't notice it. Her phone isn't in a case, but she holds her phone in her right hand.

      /*It must also vary from person to person, as she can only get my phone to drop down to four bars instead of three. I think it's because my palms tend to sweat.*/

      Once it was isolated to the bottom left corner on the MacRumors forum, I took my phone out of the case, palmed it, thought "huh, interesting", ran speed tests, then put my case back on and went on about my business.

      So yeah, the issue is a non-issue if you are right handed, or if you are going to put your iPhone 4 in a case.

      Now, I realize that that isn't going to be good enough for most people here on slashdot. Apple is putting form over function, it's unreasonable to expect people to hold their phone differently, etc, etc, etc. Fair points all around.

      But I honestly am not bothered by it. I was planning on buying a case anyway, and even if I weren't, the vast majority of calls I make or take are done with the included headset (meaning I'm not touching the phone at all). Plus, the phone is still a noticeable step up in speed, battery life, screen quality, and reception (even despite the "fatally flawed" antenna) over the iPhone 3G it replaced.

      YMMV and all, but I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. It's a flaw, but it's not a dealbreaker. It's at worst a minor annoyance on what is, to me, still the best smartphone on the market for what I want/need in a phone (sorry Android, you've come a long way since the G1, and I dig the Evo's giant screen, but iOS4 is still better polished and the App Store still has more quality apps). All of that last paragraph is IMHO, of course, and is worth only the requisite $0.02. Not a cent more or less.

    7. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by jtosburn · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can make my iphone4 do this at will. It's especially annoying since my primary use is for web and email use, and being right-handed, I hold it with my left in just the fashion that causes this problem.

      I haven't been able to test the other iphone4's in the office yet, so I can't definitively state that it effects them all, or if it's only mine. But my phone absolutely does this.

    8. Re:How many here have an iPhone 4? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been using my iphone 4 since it showed up on the 23rd. Everything about it kicks ass except for making calls.*

      I haven't been able to reproduce the issues with reception dropping to zero. I tried it with my hands, with wire, by holding all the metal surfaces at the same time, but nothing happened.

      What HAS been an issue is the proximity sensor. Long story short, the phone does a poor job of knowing when it's pressed to your ear, the screen turns on, and you end up either dialing numbers or hanging up. I had an iphone 3g and this was never an issue. For a sense of how bad the problem is: out of the 2-2.5 hours I've talked on the phone, it has hung up over 10 times. These aren't dropped calls, they are actually my phone hanging up.

      Very frustrating, but I imagine it's something that can be solved in software.

      -b

      *which, fortunately, I hardly ever need to do.

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  15. An interesting bit from the TOS by shoehornjob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In other Apple news, Germany has demanded that the company "immediately make clear" what data it collects from customers, and what use it makes of that data (perhaps spurred by Google's Wi-Fi sniffing debacle).

    While updating my Ipod touch (3gs) last night I noticed in the tos that you can control which apps have access to the service. I think this is a cool idea but I didn't see anything in the new os that allows me that access. It doesn't really matter that much for me as I usually turn location services off till needed but what is Apple pulling here? I'd be very disappointed if that only works with an iphone.

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    1. Re:An interesting bit from the TOS by Slime-dogg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a prompt that you get when first starting the application itself. As it tries to access the service, it asks. Some apps already did so, but others did not. Now, they all ask, and you can selectively allow them access to location services.

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  16. Re:IOS == Cisco Internetworking Operating System by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I call name collision. Please refer to the iPhone/iPad operating system as something other than IOS because Cisco used it first.

    You're about a month behind. The complaint that's currently fashionable is the antenna issue. In about two weeks it's gonna move on to something else, so try to keep up.

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  17. There is no iPod Touch 4 by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    it's only 2k if you count the basic phone plan, but by this point pretty much any consumer buying an iphone is either switching from some other form of cell phone or would probably at least get a basic cell phone if they didn't end up with a smart phone of some kind.

    Pretend I want to develop an app that runs on an iPhone 4. Until there's an iPod Touch 4, I have to buy an iPhone 4 to test on an iPhone 4. I am satisfied with my current phone plan at $7 per month from Virgin Mobile USA. So yes, it would cost me over a thousand dollars to switch to an iPhone.

    1. Re:There is no iPod Touch 4 by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could just use the simulator, if you didn't want to shell out for an actual iPhone 4.

      If you're not wealthy enough as an app developer to sink enough money into the hardware you are releasing on (and I'm sure there are a few who aren't, and it's not necessarily a bad thing) there are ways to test the app using a phone simulator. It's obviously not ideal, but if you are looking to make a living from your apps, then a $1000 business expense if your apps really take off is not all that huge. It's not pocket change, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

  18. Re:is this a software problem? by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What? Problem with the antenna? A pure hardware problem that will be solved with the next iOS update, i.e. software problem??? Here i am lost, since when we entered the era of quantum phones?

    The trick is that software controls the behavior of the hardware. So even if the basic problem remains, a software patch (blasting out more radio power, changing frequencies, whatever) could help reduce the symptoms.

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  19. Re:IOS == Cisco Internetworking Operating System by Wovel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I officially nominate you for comment of the story.

  20. Re:IOS == Cisco Internetworking Operating System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ohnoes! A trademark that's been licensed by Apple from Cisco, and is only known to a few thousand CCIE dweebs around the world is being used by Apple to describe the operating system that's installed on millions of devices used by regular people every day! I'm sure that everybody with an iPhone will immediately assume that when somebody references "iOS" they're talking about a fucking Catalyst, and hilarity will ensue!

    And for the record - in my time in IT, it's been overwhelmingly those neckbeards who love Linux and open source who carry around 2 phones, a palm pilot, a small toolkit, quarters for Mountain Dew and Candy from the vending machine, and the latest "Official World of Warcraft" book in a fanny pack. Apple users can fit their iphone in a pocket and be on about their business.

    Get stuffed.

  21. Not quite by wfolta · · Score: 2, Informative

    The apps ask you when they first want access to Location, which is not really new.

    The new thing is when you go to Settings -> General -> Location Services (which might fool you into thinking it only sets Yes/No), where you'll see all apps that use Location Services and you can turn them off and on by hand. A little arrow head next to the app indicates it's used your Location in the last 24 hours. An app won't be in this section without having asked to use Location Services first, but it's really nice to be able to track and revoke Location permissions after the initial ask.

  22. Re:How do I raised startup capital? by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The simulator is part of the Xcode suite, and is provided by Apple - I assume that they ensure it is as close to an actual iPhone/Touch etc as possible.

    I'm not saying it's easy or cheap, if you want all the hardware - ideally as a developer you'd have an iPhone 3G, a 3GS and an iPhone 4, and the three different generations of the iPod Touch, which is going to set you back a lot if you want to hardware test on all potential platforms for your apps.

    In the grand scheme of things, the startup capital for the Mac, the phone and a developer contract is only part of it - rent, power, food etc are all going to add to it, unless it's not your primary income source. In which case, you will have to justify whether the expense of an actual phone for hardware testing is worth it.

  23. Re: Start of message in subject line by node+3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it IS a short circuit*.

    ...

    * Ok, I don't think it's really a short.

    Is this one of those riddles where you have to figure out which villager is the one who lies every time and which one always tells the truth?