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The "King of All Computer Mice" Finally Ships

Posted by samzenpus on from the there's-a-button-for-that dept.

An anonymous reader writes "The much-anticipated, much-mocked 18-button joystick mouse from WarMouse is now shipping. The press release features an impressive set of user quotes from game designer Chris Taylor, new SFWA president John Scalzi, and a doctor who runs a medical software company. Crazy or not, it's obviously more than just a gaming mouse."

207 comments

  1. Go die in a fire sampenzus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Looks like shit.

    1. Re:Go die in a fire sampenzus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      hmmm yeah it does look like crap, looks like your hand will hurt after 5 mins of use too. however the only real use I can think for this is not gaming but rather 3D modeling where each function can be bound to a different button.

  2. A doctor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and a doctor who runs a medical software company

    .. would think up something more ergonomical as this I'd assume.

    Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

    Adding more buttons just makes it more like a keyboard with a ball inside.

    1. Re:A doctor... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

      Because poking at the screen only works for 10 minutes at a time and trackpads are much less precise ?

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    2. Re:A doctor... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

      Because touch screens suck. You can't get the LCD and touch sensor in exactly the same plane, so they always suffer from parallax error. Also, many rodent based pointer are now wireless. However, since laser mice can be had for under $10 now, I don't understand why anybody would still be using a ball mouse. Many other pointing devices have been devised (e.g. a cylinder that rolls up and down and slides left and right, and an infrared reflector you can place on yourself to detect your movement). None have caught on, because repetitive strain injury inducing mice are good enough and what everybody is used to. (And yes, in my experience it is mice, not keyboard, that cause wrists to hurt... well, that _and_ excessive masturbation.)

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    3. Re:A doctor... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

      Because no-one has come up with a better way.

  3. Trackball by vlm · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'd rather have a trackball. Faster, more precise, cleaner desk.

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    1. Re:Trackball by casings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love playing against people who use a trackball. Can always use target practice.

    2. Re:Trackball by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not all occupy themselves playing games...

      I use my trackball to throw at colleagues who piss me off.

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    3. Re:Trackball by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

      I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands. I still use a Logitech MX700 because it's a good 30mm longer than any other mouse I've ever encountered. Either this mouse, or one with an adjustable palm space.

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    4. Re:Trackball by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

      I've lost track of the number of well-ranked players I have completely abused while playing first person shooters with my Trackman Wheel. Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

      I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands. I still use a Logitech MX700 because it's a good 30mm longer than any other mouse I've ever encountered. Either this mouse, or one with an adjustable palm space.

      That's much of why I use a trackball. The only mouse I've ever had that felt "Big" enough was some antique "ergonomic" Logitech unit that felt too cheap to use.

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    5. Re:Trackball by uncledrax · · Score: 1

      I concurr. I have one of those Trackball Marbles from Logitech.. the one with the 1.5in sphere of hard plastic.. not only does it hit hard, but it looks neat doing it!

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    6. Re:Trackball by eexaa · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have standard 104-button mouse....or how they call it.

    7. Re:Trackball by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

      Hahahaha. I and many of the people I play with routinely run circles around people like you with our trackballs.

    8. Re:Trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.
       

      IHa, ha, I know, what a loser. Who plays games for fun? I gotta have this 18 button WIRED mouse, because after I left my million dollar a year gig at the hospital (trauma surgeon, these hands are accurate and precise under fire whether taking out a spleen or taking out a terrorist), I took up a MAN'S real occupation. Us pro gamers are making games not just for losers anymore. LOL!!!! Obviously anyone he doesn't spew all over this mouse is a newb I'd totally own with this thing in WoW!!!!

      Pew, pew, pew. = Me pwning noobs!!!LOLOLOLOL!!!!with THIS mouse!!1!!

    9. Re:Trackball by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you lay off the stimulants, you might stop twitching enough to get back to your job, and still have a working 1 key by the end of the day.

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    10. Re:Trackball by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I've lost track of the number of well-ranked players I have completely abused while playing first person shooters with my Trackman Wheel.

      Good for you! I'd love to know how you know which were using mice and which were using trackballs. Do you ask?

      Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

      Har har you eluded to masturbation! Grow up.

      That's much of why I use a trackball. The only mouse I've ever had that felt "Big" enough was some antique "ergonomic" Logitech unit that felt too cheap to use.

      Fair. Only trackball I ever used had the buttons operated by the thumb, and the ball on top to be moved by the fingers. Odd that both large body mice were made by Logitech, though. The one I have is "ergonomic" (for a righty, anyway) too. Quite pleasant to use.

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    11. Re:Trackball by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Cleaner desk - kinda sorta. It doesn't move around as much, so it needs less "buffer space", but a trackball is just as large (larger in many cases) as a mouse on a desk.

      Faster or precise though? No. I did desktop support a college from 1999-2003 and a lot of the professors were in love with trackballs, so I ended up having to learn to use them so I could work on their computers. I'll admit, eventually, you get used to it and can do what you want, and better/more expensive trackballs certainly were easier to do this with versus the cheapies, but compared to a mouse, it's just night and day. Having a real flat area with a visually noted distance that correlates to distance moved on the screen is always quicker than the rolling trackball where there's no fixed point of reference.

      My opinion of trackballs - if you REALLY want your pointing device to not move, then you can learn to tolerate it, but if that's not a priority, then there's absolutely no benefit. It's about the same opinion I have of laptop trackpads. I use them a ton on laptops, but I'm under no delusion that it's better than a mouse. When traveling I'll use the pad out and about, but whenever I get to my hotel room and hit a real desk, the mouse comes out of the bag immediately.

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    12. Re:Trackball by Thansal · · Score: 1

      "Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one."

      Sorry, but a thumb based trackball is just as good as, if not better than, most mice.

      For me it comes down to a few things:

      1) The fact that you can get greater precision with your thumb than yo can with your wrist/arm.

      2) You never run out of movement space. Sure, with a high sensitivity you will not often have to pick up your mouse and move it, but it does happen.

      I set my sensitivity such that I can do a 180 turn in either direction with out lifting my thumb. This is a fairly low sensitivity, which means I have (for me) rather fine control when I want it, however I can also do big movements when needed.

      The one thing that keeps tempting me to get a regular mouse is more buttons, and what I really want is a speedpad type thing instead Something that gives me movement keys + lots of extra buttons for my left hand). The one I liked was the steelseries Fang, however it isn't being made anymore...

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    13. Re:Trackball by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I and many of the people I play with routinely run circles around people like you with our trackballs.

      Is that kind of like the Haka, but with more USB connectors and "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" t-shirts?

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    14. Re:Trackball by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands.

      Same problem here. How I'd wish to get a double size mouse. Or at least double width.

      It's not a problem for regular desktop use. But for gaming, my major problem is my pinky dragging on the mouse mat. Apparently all the people designing mice are eight year old asian girls.

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    15. Re:Trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have a trackball. Faster, more precise, cleaner desk.

      Trackballs are only useful for video editing. Ever try to draw or paint with one? Anything that is more organic like art or moving in a video game is ridiculously hard with a track ball. Try something as simple as highlighting text with one then move the text. It's simple with a mouse but it borders on a two hand operation with a trackball. I owned several in the past and ended up using them less than an hour. As clunky as mice are they are effective and versatile.

    16. Re:Trackball by Thansal · · Score: 1

      "Fair. Only trackball I ever used had the buttons operated by the thumb, and the ball on top to be moved by the fingers. Odd that both large body mice were made by Logitech, though. The one I have is "ergonomic" (for a righty, anyway) too. Quite pleasant to use."

      This is why you don't like trackballs for gaming.

      I have yet to run into a gamer who uses one of those 'ergonomic' center-ball ones.

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    17. Re:Trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

      You get away with just using your thumb?

      Man, nature is cruel sometimes. I'm sorry.

    18. Re:Trackball by Penguin+Follower · · Score: 1

      I use a Logitech G8 - its not a center ball but is definitely ergonomic (with adjustable weight :)

    19. Re:Trackball by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      My experience has been that you have to pick one trackball, and stick with it to get the benefit. Even switching from a (sadly missed) Microsoft Trackball Explorer to a superficially similar Logitech Trackman threw me off.

      But once you get your muscle memory keyed in, the benefits of being able to use all your fingers and thumb at once start to ramp up. It's really one of these things where you won't believe it until you experience it. I don't know why I'm trying to convince you, to be honest.

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    20. Re:Trackball by el3mentary · · Score: 1

      Whoosh?

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    21. Re:Trackball by camperdave · · Score: 1

      You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

      HA! I can drag the black two onto the red three with the best of them!

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    22. Re:Trackball by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Can you recommend a good thumb-based trackball for gaming?

      I've been a devoted user of Kensington's Expert Mouse Trackball for years. But I found during a binge of TF2 that I had to switch to a basic optical mouse. If there were a good trackball gaming option, I would definitely return.

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    23. Re:Trackball by insufflate10mg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He didn't say he knew whether they were using mice or trackballs. He said he knew that they were well-ranked, and that he was using a trackball. Moron.

    24. Re:Trackball by chocapix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've lost track of the number of well-ranked players I have completely abused while playing first person shooters with my Trackman Wheel. Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

      I've read/heard that line countless times, but I have yet to actually see anyone who plays Quake(*) decently with anything else than a mouse. I'll grant you that a trackball is far superior to a console pad, so if anything can be as good as (better than?) a mouse, it's a trackball but I still think it's just not good enough. I mean, if a trackball really is that good, at least some pros should use one, right?

      Not that I consider myself a "well-ranked player" but I'd very much like to have a Quake Live duel with someone who uses a trackball (someone who knows Quake of course, otherwise they'll get destroyed simply because they don't know how to play the game.) I seriously think that even scoring a point would be an enormous challenge for a trackball user.

      But, maybe I'm wrong so, trackball users, who's up for running circles around a smug mouser by the name of chocapix? :-)

      (*) I speak only for Quake, because it's the only FPS I play. I suspect most of what I say still holds for, say, CS or UT, though.

    25. Re:Trackball by starblazer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I played Quake with a trackball... a logitech trackman wheel (basically). The key to it is to have the sensitivity on the trackball super-high so that you don't have to move it too far to turn around.. plus, with the precision of a thumb, it wasn't that hard making precise movements. Sure, I was the laughingstock of my friends but they would always be below me in the rankings.

    26. Re:Trackball by __aaffir7958 · · Score: 1

      I've used a trackball for almost 8 years. I originally used the Microsoft Trackball Explorer, but when mine died a new one was almost $200. So now I use a Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan with the 'ergonomic' center-ball for all my gaming and absolutely love it. There was definately a learning curve to be able to play with the trackball after using a mouse for years.

      I don't think I would call myself a "hardcore gamer" but I'm definately not used for target practice either.

    27. Re:Trackball by Antlerbot · · Score: 1

      More Os. It went WAY over his head.

    28. Re:Trackball by sqldr · · Score: 1

      amateur... I use bowling balls!

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    29. Re:Trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Har har you eluded to drug addiction! Grow up.

    30. Re:Trackball by Thansal · · Score: 1

      I have used the Logitech TrackMan, and then the Logitech TrackMan Wheel for years now. It's the only decently priced thumb trackball I have come across, it lasts a few years each time (eventually the buttons wear out). It, like all thumb trackballs, caps out at 2 buttons and a wheel (so 5 possible binds), the only thing that makes me want a mouse every so often is the possibility of more buttons for my right hand.

      Oh, and the wired option of course as its more reliable, cheaper, and why does it matter if you have a wire on a STATIONARY OBJECT? (I know, I know, it makes a less cluttered desktop/setup/whatever)

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    31. Re:Trackball by way2slo · · Score: 1

      Ditto. My trackball was on the index finger and I could play fairly well myself. I also had the sensitivity high, but I was able to use both my index and middle finger to manipulate it.

      However, it eventually broke and when I switched to an optical mouse I did notice that over time I was able to make smoother motions because the sensitivity was not so high.

      You can become used to, and good at, any interface over time.

  4. Now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THAT is a mouse I'd like to double click... *wink wink*, *nudge nudge*

  5. Question by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

    Does it come with pills to make more neurons so an average user can actually use it before losing interest for what would otherwise be lengthy learning process? (you've all heard what technology is doing to your brains, right?)

  6. The King? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the biggest, fattest mouse I've ever seen described as the "King of all Computer Mice"? Why not call it "Sumo Mouse" or, in keeping with the irritating trend, a "Mouse on Steroids"? Was it ordained by god or something? And if so, where's its crown. Given the modern correlation between functionality and royalty, a more capable mouse should probably be called the "Bill Gates of Mice" or, if it is shiny the "Steve Jobs of Mice". The "King of All Mice" should really be a self-important throwback that doesn't do jack shit.

    1. Re:The King? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Named after Elvis, of course.

    2. Re:The King? by Zancarius · · Score: 1

      Given the modern correlation between functionality and royalty, a more capable mouse should probably be called the "Bill Gates of Mice" or, if it is shiny the "Steve Jobs of Mice".

      Steve Jobs would be appalled considering his propensity for single-button mice. In fact, I'm almost certain he would consider this one an outright blasphemy.

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  7. SC2 Mouse by MrTripps · · Score: 1

    The site is /.ed, so for comparison see the StarCraft 2 mouse: http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/spectre.php Fewer buttons and is glowy.

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    1. Re:SC2 Mouse by QBasicer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The most I get out of that link is that they can use photoshop. Are they afraid to show good pictures of the actual product? Or is it pictures that have been doctored to the point where they start to look fake?

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    2. Re:SC2 Mouse by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      That's not a comparison, that's a gaming mouse. If the site said "This has less buttons than the Warmouse new product, but has one adjustable button to make clicking different" then it would be a comparison.

      What you've done is somehow manage to create a second slashvertisment with even less content than the original. Truly, that takes skill, but I'm not sure it's a skill I'd put on my CV.

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    3. Re:SC2 Mouse by MrTripps · · Score: 1

      Huh? There is a picture of the product right there on the page. Links to five different views of it in the lower right.

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    4. Re:SC2 Mouse by bluesatin · · Score: 1

      Huh? There is a picture of the product right there on the page. Links to five different views of it in the lower right.

      Yes they have pictures, but no photos.

  8. Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like shit.

    I think this sums up the mouse accurately. Also, it has a cable. You can't claim a title like that when your mouse is chained to the computer. And 18 buttons? Who really thinks that many buttons is a good idea to cram on a mouse? I'd say a lot fewer is better. I personally don't see much point for more than a few buttons.

    1. Re:Mod parent up by BigJClark · · Score: 4, Informative


      Disagree, if you've ever competitively gamed, you're wired. Minimal signal interference, no loss of signal due to dead or dying battery.

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    2. Re:Mod parent up by QBasicer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with this, also back in the day, wireless mice had a lag time before they would come out of a low power state and figure out they're moving, which made gaming difficult. I eventually used my Wacom tablet with that mouse because it was insanely precise with even the smallest of movements.

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    3. Re:Mod parent up by orthicviper · · Score: 1

      wireless mice always(?) use 120hz or lower polling rates instead of 1000hz to save battery power. 1000hz makes a wonderful difference.

    4. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell even for everyday business use or casual gaming I wouldn't want a wireless mouse. No batteries = no maintenance or additional costs, no failing mouse when you least expect it, no signal problems depending on your table.

    5. Re:Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 1

      Actually, I wasn't wired, either with my mouse or my home network. I just accepted that my internet spaceship would occasionally blow up through no fault of my own. I traded reliability for comfort and convenience. And you can always use new batteries, if you're worried about dying batteries.

    6. Re:Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 1

      I don't get this. It's not like anyone will spend a vast portion of their life switching out batteries in a wireless mouse. Given that I was using a rechargeable mouse at the time, I wasn't either. I did keep a wired mouse around for backup, but I used the wireless mouse simply because I liked it better.

    7. Re:Mod parent up by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      No problem with a cable - no batteries to change/charge, more consistent behavior etc.

      But the use for 18 buttons? I predict a lot of user confusion.

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    8. Re:Mod parent up by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      My Razer Mamba would beg to differ. Although you can *also* plug it in and use it on a wire if you like (which is some pretty good design IMO).

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    9. Re:Mod parent up by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      It would be good for AutoCAD if my digitizer didn't already has this many buttons on it's puck. Maybe as a spare?

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    10. Re:Mod parent up by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      I use a couple of wireless mouses, both from Microsoft. One's an Arcmouse, the other's a Wireless Mobile 3000.
                I recently switched to using rechargeable batteries for every device that could take them, everywhere in my home, and powering the chargers off a small solar panel on the roof. I did this primarily so now if I lose grid power for days or even weeks I'll still have flashlights, emergency radio and such, but I bought enough batteries for my MP3 players, mouses, and the rest as well. (And, for the thinking impaired, no I don't expect to have the computers run for days off the grid just because the mouses will).
                  While I'm pretty satisfied with these mouses over all, it's worth mentioning that they now 'fail funny' when the battery gets low. The red warning lights in the mouses don't even come on until the battery is so low the devices are malfunctioning, and instead of seeing hesitation or intermittent pointer movement, the failure mode seems to involve the pointer suddenly jumping across the screen, or several button clicks doing nothing and then suddenly being applied all at once, and other such odd effects. I'm not sure why there are rechargeable mouses yet non-rechargeable wireless mouses should have so much odd failing behavior when fitted with rechargeable batteries. This happens with both regular NiMH and Platinum rechargables as well.
                I never have bought a mouse that was cradle rechargeable straight from the factory, which leads me to wonder, do these have a distinctive failure mode as well?

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    11. Re:Mod parent up by profplump · · Score: 4, Informative

      The voltage/capacity curve for rechargeable batteries is *much* flatter than for alkaline batteries -- alkaline batteries have a pretty steep slope with a fairly linear relationship between "current voltage" and "remaining power", and devices that expect alkaline batteries and have a low-power indicator calibrated for that curve. Rechargeable batteries have a much flatter curve and the low-power indicator never lights because the trigger voltage is not reached until there's far too little power.

      So presumably, devices with built-in rechargeable batteries are properly calibrated for those, and produce a low-power warning at the appropriate time.

      http://www.powerstream.com/AA-tests.htm

    12. Re:Mod parent up by profplump · · Score: 1

      Or to use the better language for Wikipedia:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-metal_hydride_battery#Comparison_with_other_battery_types

      Low internal resistance allows NiMH cells to deliver a near-constant voltage until they are almost completely discharged. This will result in a battery level indicator to overstate the remaining charge if it was designed to read only the voltage curve of alkaline cells. The voltage of alkaline cells decreases steadily during most of the discharge cycle.

    13. Re:Mod parent up by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      My M$ Sidewinder X8 would beg to differ too, thought as a cheaper mouse it "only" tops out at 500hz.
      The other thing I love about it is the receiver puck also has the charging cord built in to it, and the tip is magnetic. I just leave it off to the side and if the low battery light starts to flash, I can jump my mouse off the pad and attach the charging cord without even looking. Tada! Wired mouse.
      Only problem I ever had with it was the OEM AA rechargeable battery only lasted like 6 months before it stopped holding a charge. Oh well.

    14. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you aren't one of those "environmentalist". I gathered not since you prefer batteries to be put into mice to avoid the unbearable cord going into your desktop/laptop.

    15. Re:Mod parent up by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I would love to try out this mouse because 5 buttons is limiting sometimes. 18 might be a little overkill, but I can always disable / multi-map some buttons.

      I wouldn't use this for gaming. I'd use it for work. I draft military documents. No wireless, End of Discussion.

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    16. Re:Mod parent up by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      5 buttons is limiting, I've gone through various mice looking for one that fit my needs, from an MX518, to a G500 and now finally to a Performance MX Anywhere.

      The two extra thumb buttons (in addition to the forward and back, and the various mouse wheel 'buttons') are what I needed for my personal use.

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    17. Re:Mod parent up by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Fucking buggy 2.0 code. Can't collapse replies to you, it just collapses you (and not the replies).

      Bah. If someone brought this up already, -i-tried-

      Anyways. 18 Buttons on a mouse would be awefully useful for graphics work (2d and 3d) - put tool selectors right on the mouse - with practice and/or labels that could significantly improve workflow.

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    18. Re:Mod parent up by harl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cord on a mouse has never been a problem. Wireless mice have issues and cost more. I'm all for technology but a wireless mouse has always, with a few niche exceptions, seemed like a pointless innovation.

      The device never moves more than about 4 inches. Added complexity. Added cost. No upside. It's a completely pointless feature.

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    19. Re:Mod parent up by GasparGMSwordsman · · Score: 1

      ONLY 18 button!? That is not enough, I need at least a 106 buttons on my mouse. How else can I type from it?

    20. Re:Mod parent up by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Having lots of devices with built-in rechargeable batteries, my experience is that the fail state still isn't quite as clean as for alkaline. It's definitely better than NIMH batteries in an Alkaline-expecting device, but:

      Rechargeable batteries naturally lose charge over their lifespan. They start at a slightly lower voltage and end at about the same. Devices have many ways of dealing with this natural discharge, but they all seem to be much better at estimating when a recharge is imminent early on in the battery's lifespan.

      Lots of rechargable battery devices have replacement upgrade batteries, which may have more power or voltage available to them. These, of course, further complicate the logic of "beep when the user has 15 minutes left." Is that a 75% voltage stream on a 6 cell, 9 cell, a 12 cell, or those special Mickey Mouse 8 cells we gave away at Disneyland?

      NiMH also seems to be more temperature-sensitive than Alkaline. While I can't guarantee this messes with overall voltage, my battery indicators do seem to behave differently in the winter than in the summer.

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    21. Re:Mod parent up by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      The device never moves more than about 4 inches.

      Then you really must not do much more than basic tasks because there are many people who move there mice far more than 4 inches during use.

      Added complexity.

      What is so complex about a wireless mouse?

      Added cost.

      For mice of equivalent features the difference is a few bucks at most.

      No upside. It's a completely pointless feature.

      I and many others would beg to differ. For a specific example, being able to control my HTPC from across the room using a wireless mouse is a great feature.

    22. Re:Mod parent up by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Personally i'm somewhere in the middle IMO wireless mice are great in quite a few situations but in an ordinary desktop computer setup they are more hassle then they are worse.

      BTW does anyone know of any mouse of a decent brand and readilly availiable from a reliable supplier that is designed to work both wired and wireless (like how a PS3 controller operates)? To me this would be the best of both worlds, set and forget reliability when used at a desk but the flexibility to operate wireless when desired. When I searched a found one or two but they were all from brands i'd never heard of selling through "direct from the far east" type sites.

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    23. Re:Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 1

      Anyways. 18 Buttons on a mouse would be awefully useful for graphics work (2d and 3d) - put tool selectors right on the mouse - with practice and/or labels that could significantly improve workflow.

      There's a number of applications for which a bunch of buttons would be helpful. But if you're going for some sort of generic title that implies the mouse would be useful for everyone, then it needs to cover the people who aren't going to use 16 or 17 of their 18 buttons.

    24. Re:Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 1

      The cord on a mouse has never been a problem.

      Here's a counterexample to this argument. In my current, really awesome job, there is a point in my job where I process a bunch of paperwork, tearing it up and forming neat piles of the leftovers on my desk. I also have a computer with mouse and keyboard. The mouse and keyboard cords get in the way of several of my piles and it limits where I can put my peripherals on the desk. On the plus side, I have a world class geyser within a tenth of a mile of my desk. And my mouse doesn't need to work out there. ;-)

      The device never moves more than about 4 inches.

      I often need to clear my desk as much as possible in order to do non-computer work. Currently, I'm stuck with a monitor, mouse, and keyboard that can't be moved much. That gets in the way. Being able to just take them off the desk (which would be a distance more than 4 inches) would help considerably.

    25. Re:Mod parent up by khallow · · Score: 1

      I hope you aren't one of those "environmentalist". I gathered not since you prefer batteries to be put into mice to avoid the unbearable cord going into your desktop/laptop.

      Oh yea, compare the waste stream from an eternal stream of batteries, replaced maybe once a year or less, in a mouse to the enormous carbon footprint of six feet of cable. This is what environmentalism should be about.

    26. Re:Mod parent up by toddestan · · Score: 1

      What are you doing where you're always moving the mouse more than 4 inches? Or are you one of those people who turn the sensitivity way down so you have to move the mouse across the desk to make the cursor go to the other side of the screen?

      Also, I would guess that a HTPC would be one of the niche uses.

    27. Re:Mod parent up by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      It's a completely pointless feature.

      bzzzt, wrong.

      What you mean to say is that YOU have no use for it, which is a far sight from "its a completely pointless feature". I, for instance, used a mx800 and a G7 mouse back in the day, and enjoyed a few things about them:
      1) A heck of a lot quicker and more seamless to move a wireless mouse to a new computer. Wired mouse, you gotta route the wire, or its in the way. Generally not a huge issue, but can be obnoxious depending on how hard it is to get behind the desk or computer in question, especially if its just visiting a friend's house.
      2) watching a movie on your computer from a couch. Very nice to be able to control the media player with the mouse on your thigh from 5 feet away. Wired mouse doesnt really cut it.
      3) Aesthetics. Some places (ie, offices, confrence rooms) put a high premium on aesthetics. Any time you reduce wires, you make the place look more professional. And if youre moving around a lot, re-doing velcro ties on wires quickly becomes tiresome.

      Also, maybe YOU dont move your mouse around a lot, but i make sure my G9 (wired) mouse has a ton of slack because I move it all over the desk depending on how I rearrange things (papers, etc).

    28. Re:Mod parent up by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      This'll be just perfect for X3 - take some strain off my keyboard hand...

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    29. Re:Mod parent up by dcroxton · · Score: 1

      I thought that at first. In fact, however, I constantly find a mouse cord getting stuck on something, so that I have to pull the cord out to move the mouse properly. Plus, I really haven't had any problems with cordless mice.

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    30. Re:Mod parent up by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      Disagree, if you've ever competitively gamed, you're wired. Minimal signal interference, no loss of signal due to dead or dying battery.

      One of my friends uses a wireless trackball. It's hilarious listening to him when his batteries start to die. We don't competitively game - but we do stomp newbies and teams into the ground.

      I myself use a 3500DPI Razer mouse. Before I begin playing, I blow the dust off my mousepad and dampen it, because it affects my accuracy. I play games like TF2 at sensitivity 20.

    31. Re:Mod parent up by harl · · Score: 1

      Set up your cord correctly next time.

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    32. Re:Mod parent up by harl · · Score: 1

      1) Exception case.
      2) Exception case.
      3) Exception case.

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    33. Re:Mod parent up by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      The cord on a mouse has never been a problem. Wireless mice have issues and cost more. I'm all for technology but a wireless mouse has always, with a few niche exceptions, seemed like a pointless innovation. The device never moves more than about 4 inches. Added complexity. Added cost. No upside. It's a completely pointless feature.

      As an avid online FPS game player since 1996, I disagree. When you are attempting to make rapid precise movements with as little interference as possible, the mouse cord sometimes is a huge issue. It gets bunched up, it rubs, it gets stuck under things. Even a tiny amount of added friction can throw off a critical shot. Apparently I'm not alone on this. I've seen several cord hangers being sold in the past, precisely to prevent cord bunching. I also had a gaming mouse pad that had a cord clamp for the same reason. It wasn't perfect, but it definitely helped.

    34. Re:Mod parent up by harl · · Score: 1

      Stowing your cord correctly solves all of these.

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    35. Re:Mod parent up by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      Stowing your cord correctly solves all of these.

      No, it doesn't. It'll be good 99% of the time, but even when "correctly stowed," something small will occasionally happen and despite being small it will irritate me. Believe me I have spent plenty of time perfecting cord stowage. There's still a cord there, and cords don't always behave the way you want them to.

      I'm sure pros still use corded mice because a little added friction here and there is, to them, better than a total malfunction. I get that.

    36. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is then with you and not the cord.

      Wireless mice are shiny but have no added value.

  9. Jobs by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Jobs would not approve.

    1. Re:Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, if Steve Jobs even sees a picture of this thing it'll cause a blood vessel in his brain to burst.

    2. Re:Jobs by revlayle · · Score: 1

      Plug it into a MacBook and it would probably just explode

    3. Re:Jobs by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The mouse or the MacBook?

    4. Re:Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just sent him the pic. Sure hope this works.

    5. Re:Jobs by JustOK · · Score: 0

      cool feature.

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    6. Re:Jobs by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes,

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    7. Re:Jobs by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> a doctor who runs a medical software company

      But this guy is used to unnecessary complexity.

    8. Re:Jobs by PoiuyTerry · · Score: 1

      First one then t'other

  10. Naga WarMouse by Pewpdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can have my trusty Naga when you pry it from my cold dead hand. http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418900

  11. "Much Anticipated"? by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By who? This thing looks like shit, will probably sell 500 units to the people who buy every new computer gadget that's produced, and will die a silent death in the dark, rightfully so.

    I have a computer input device with a lot of keys on it already - it's called a keyboard, and it works a lot better when I'm not sliding the keyboard around on the desktop while trying to type.

    This is a solution in search of a problem to solve.

    1. Re:"Much Anticipated"? by Loadmaster · · Score: 1

      I'm anticipating it. I've got a keyboard but I have 10 fingers all on my right hand. This thing is perfect for me.

    2. Re:"Much Anticipated"? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Yes, but this adds 2 9-key pads and a joystick to your mouse hand, leaving your left hand free to continue keyboarding.

      On a war flight simulator, this might be enough keys to actually play with only two hands. For 3D development work, you could work in 3DS max without having to press modifiers all of the bloody time. I could think of at least a half-dozen macros in Flash that would be nice to have mapped to dedicated keys under your fingers at all times.

      Realistically speaking, it's probably not going anywhere. But more inputs are definitely appreciated for devoted workers / players.

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    3. Re:"Much Anticipated"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has already died once, this makes twice. Anybody remember the "Open Office Mouse".

      Warren

  12. Archduke of all computer mice by EdZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'll stick with my trusty MX Revolution. That no other manufacturer (Logitech included) has added that wonderful thumbwheel to their mice is a crying shame. Tabs through pages like nobody's business, with another two buttons right next to it.

    1. Re:Archduke of all computer mice by Dark+Screen · · Score: 1

      The cyborg R.A.T. range of mice have the thumbwheel and their mice can be fully customised. I haven't used them personally but they are receiving a number of good reviews. More info here: www.cyborggaming.com

    2. Re:Archduke of all computer mice by EdZ · · Score: 1

      They also look like bits of it will impale bits of themselves through the bones of my now disjointed hand. Ergonomics isn't a bonus, it's a requirement!

    3. Re:Archduke of all computer mice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, I got tired of the MX Revolution and actually just went back to a simple 2 button mouse with a scroll wheel. I never did use that thumbwheel very often, and I didn't like how I had to hack the logitech program with ubertools to get that middle button to act like how a normal middle button acts on all other mice.

      Really all I miss is just the forward and backwards buttons, which never worked right half the time anyway.

  13. What a crap idea by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean why not just put your fucking keyboard on wheels and push it around?

    1. Re:What a crap idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean why not just put your fucking keyboard on wheels and push it around?

      Wow this could be amazing! Just tip the keyboard to right or left click then add on an oversized wheel in the center you could lick with your tongue to scroll. They only drawback I can see is the 3' wide mouse pad. The cat could even rock himself to sleep when he sacks out on my keyboard.

    2. Re:What a crap idea by ctchristmas · · Score: 1

      It would probably be DVORAK. This mouse does look like such a piece of crap.

  14. Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by ivucica · · Score: 1

    I like my ultimate joystick. It's got 90+ buttons, multitouch, and on the separate controller, two extra analog axes and a few extra buttons.

    1. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by tepples · · Score: 1

      But how many such controllers can you have plugged into your home theater PC at once if, say, you have friends over?

    2. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      Who needs friends when you have the ultimate joystick?

    3. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by tepples · · Score: 1

      Who needs friends when you have the ultimate joystick?

      Without friends, who will be in awe of your ultimate joystick skills?

    4. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The hooker?

    5. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by ivucica · · Score: 1

      They carry over their own ultimate joysticks, which double as home theaters.

    6. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by tepples · · Score: 1

      They carry over their own ultimate joysticks

      PCs aren't designed to take more than one distinct keyboard+mouse.

      which double as home theaters.

      Oh, you meant everyone brings laptops and you pray that you all own copies of the same game. So what do you when a friend brings his kids, who also happen to be gamers? They're not old enough to own a laptop of their own, and they have different game collections.

    7. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by ivucica · · Score: 1

      Excuse me, was I talking about you or me?

      I'm 22, my buddies don't have game-playing kids. Matching games? We get by. We have laptops. I don't have a home entertainment PC nor consoles, neither do my buddies. Games are just a few hours of fun for us every now and then, not a profession.

      Don't be an all-knowing douche. My point is (and you know it): 80 key joystick is absurd; laptops even reduced keycount from 104.

    8. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

      > PCs aren't designed to take more than one distinct keyboard+mouse.

      Wuh? I run two mice and keyboards on this machine just fine - one set wired as backup, the other set wireless/recharge. Both work simultaneously, just fine.

      Perhaps you mean that you don't ordinarily get distinct cursors/pointers with each?

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    9. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by tepples · · Score: 1

      PCs aren't designed to take more than one distinct keyboard+mouse.

      Perhaps you mean that you don't ordinarily get distinct cursors/pointers with each?

      That's what I meant by distinct. Say I have a home theater PC (a PC hooked up to a TV-size monitor). What games designed for PC can you think of that can take more than one kb+mouse, one for each player, on one PC+monitor?

    10. Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse by toddestan · · Score: 1

      How about the ability to have two (or more) keyboards each with different layouts? Though I'd settle for Microsoft fixing the 'Language Bar' so that you can change the keyboard layout across all applications with just one click...

  15. Why is this in idle ? by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is there ANY way that this is not a tech/i.t. related news ? i mean, did we move to mental interfaces since i went to bed last night ? how can a 12 something button mice news is in idle, as if something irrelevant to /. ?

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    1. Re:Why is this in idle ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, like everything else in Idle, it's crap that appeals to retards.

    2. Re:Why is this in idle ? by owlnation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      how can a 12 something button mice news is in idle, as if something irrelevant to /. ?

      I suspect the answer is that samzenpus has no clue what he is doing. He regularly posts idle stories in the main /. sections. And now he posts a valid story in idle.

      Samzenpus and Idle need to be cut loose as a separate website. I've generally no desire to ever read any of his submissions -- but since idle pollutes the RSS feed, it's near impossible to avoid them. That is the best solution for everyone -- those who want to read his submissions can, and those who don't, don't have to have the annoyance of them. It's only fair. This really, really needs to be fixed.

    3. Re:Why is this in idle ? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      You are aware that you can filter by editor in your options right?

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    4. Re:Why is this in idle ? by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because "let's stick more buttons on it" is only innovative while you're under the effect of certain reality distortion fields, may they be fruit flavored or not.

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    5. Re:Why is this in idle ? by unity100 · · Score: 1

      or, if you are playing mmorpg games, e-sports games like wow or starcraft with numerous macros, moves and bindings.

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  16. A mouse I am anticipating ... by quietwalker · · Score: 1

    Would be the RAT 9; http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm. Frankly, the only problem I have with modern mice is that they seem to be made for people with shrunken, perhaps t-rex-like, children's hands. The idea of a mouse with somewhat adjustable areas sounds like a good start.

    Of course, the price is insane, so I'd have to check it out in a store before I'd ever buy one. Still, I'm on board with the general concept.

  17. King? Pauper! by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Looks like an overloaded, low-usability kludge to me.

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  18. Gaming mouse? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Crazy or not, it's obviously more than just a gaming mouse."

    I would use this for CAD applications. And yes, I have been waiting a long time for it. A colleague once taped a keyboard on top of a mouse and told me he had constructed my ideal mouse. The one shown above is even better

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    1. Re:Gaming mouse? by omni123 · · Score: 1

      CAD was the only thing I could think of as a legitimate use for this thing. I definitely feel where you are coming from.

      The myriad of available hotkeys/commands in AutoCAD is nothing short of overwhelming and a device like this is well suited for it IMO (since you don't want your hands off the mouse and the keyboard is the secondary input).

    2. Re:Gaming mouse? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So true! 3 buttons are far too little for entity select, end selection, confirm, cancel, zoom in, zoom out, pan, various snap modes, and all the other commands you want under the mouse-hand while you use the other hand to issue commands like line, circle, fillet, etc.

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    3. Re:Gaming mouse? by OttoErotic · · Score: 1

      I'm was thinking of giving it a shot for music production software, except I can't find anything to indicate that there's a left-handed model. Anyone see a spec that I missed?

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    4. Re:Gaming mouse? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      Indeed.. Standard keyboards are not quite right for certain applications. I used to mock video editing keyboards until I started using one. The ability to customize the keyboard, down to the labels and repeat rate for specific keys, is very useful. Having multiple scroll wheels is incredibly useful (e.g., a dedicated wheel to advance frames and another to adjust sound). Sure, you can use the mouse pointer to adjust the on screen controls, but when you're dealing with three monitors and need to bounce between them it becomes annoying very quickly.

    5. Re:Gaming mouse? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      That reminds me, I bet one could configure it for use in Emacs! :D

      (Yes, I realize that's basically counter to all of the design goals of both products.)

    6. Re:Gaming mouse? by harl · · Score: 1

      No this is what you would use for CAD application.

      http://www.3dconnexion.com/

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    7. Re:Gaming mouse? by jackbird · · Score: 1

      I want a mouse with a numeric keypad on it, plus ' and " for entering English units. The Belkin Nostromo almost fit the bill, but the drivers were too flaky and the keys were just shy of being laid out right..

    8. Re:Gaming mouse? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Too bad modern PC keyboards don't allow detection of very many keys being pressed at the same time.

      FWIW, Douglas Engelbart had a chorded keyboard - keyset decades ago:

      http://www.cedmagic.com/history/first-computer-mouse.html

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    9. Re:Gaming mouse? by ThinkWeak · · Score: 1

      I'm going to be testing this in my office. We use a lot of Adobe editing/stamping/bookmarking and I see some potential with this. 18 buttons may be overkill, but it's worth some investigation.

      As a side note, I love how close-minded the Slashdot community has become. The reaction to this device would have been quite different had it been called the iWarMouse and was only programmable with macros that Apple approved.

    10. Re:Gaming mouse? by Swordsmanus · · Score: 1

      This might also be good for laparoscopic surgeons, who last I knew use a gamepad for crusing around in people's intestines.

  19. Don't be so harsh... by Endophage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone seems to be slating this in their comments. I can see a use for it. There are some keyboard shortcuts that I use frequently but are uncomfortable to hit one handed. On a laptop it's not so much of an issue, both your hands are close to the keyboard but it frustrates me on my desktop or when I'm using an external mouse. Now yes, I could reassign my shortcuts but I've tried that in the past and 2 things happen, I end up with system vs. application shortcut conflicts and I run out of shortcuts reachable comfortably with just my left hand. If the price isn't silly, I may well get one of these as I can see it as a useful tool. 18 buttons, minus the 3 standard mouse buttons, essentially makes the right hand side of the keyboard available for shortcuts without having to take your hand off the mouse.

  20. I'm not convinced by obarthelemy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My "top-side" fingers don't have much mobility, plus they're used for left and right clicks.

    I haven't used it, but for buttons junkies, the Razer Naga (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/list/categoryID.35208800) seems both less overt-the-top and more ergonomic/practical)

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    1. Re:I'm not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the WarMouse designers had a post comparing the Naga with the Meta on their development blog. This is what they said. I don't know how accurate it is. I think the Naga's side buttons are key-mappable now, but they might not have been before the last driver update.

      Over the holidays, I reluctantly sent off my Meta and replaced it with the Razer Naga for two weeks in the interest of grokking the fullness of the current competition. The Naga is a multibutton mouse designed predominantly for MMO games such as World of Warcraft and it is an attractive combination of inconsistent design with excellent production. It looks great, it feels really good when you place your hand upon it, and the initial impression is that it is a very high quality product. Being a competitor, we are of course completely biased, but we also understand that ignoring the good points of the competition isn’t going to help us continue to make better mice. So, feel free to take these comments with a grain of salt or take issue with them if you see fit.

      Good points: The appearance of the Naga is a little unusual, but it is an unexpectedly pretty mouse. The rubberized coating on the top feels very nice and contrasts well with the shiny black plastic on the sides. At rest, the ergonomic curves comfortably tilt your hand about 10 degrees to the right. The laser is a high-resolution one and the LED-lit, rubber scroll wheel is fairly quiet and smooth. I quite liked the blue LED inside and the way that it illuminated the 12-button keybad on the left side of the mouse as well as the Naga logo on the mouse rear. The bottom pads are slick and the mouse has very nice movement across the desktop even without a mouse pad. The microswitch action on the L1 and R1 buttons is quite sensitive, but not too sensitive for normal pointing-and-clicking. It is smaller, less blocky, and more aesthetically pleasing in person than it tends to appear in some of the photos. The custom driver software is well-integrated with World of Warcraft.

      Weak points: The ergonomics only feel nice so long as you don’t attempt to use the scroll wheel or any button that isn’t L1 or R1. The core problem is the aforementioned hand rotation. This means that the mouse designer made an understandable, but inherently bad mistake in placing the M4 and M5 buttons on the forward left edge of the mouse; they would be much more useful and comfortable if they were on the forward RIGHT edge and used by the middle finger, but having to move your index finger to the left against the rotation of the mouse puts strain on the second knuckle and I started feeling pain there after the second day. (This is essentially the same problem that can occur when using the Meta in a V-grip instead of a W.) Only five of the number pad keys are very useful- 1-3, 5 and 6 – as it’s difficult to automatically locate 4 and 7-9, or angle your thumb back sharply enough to reach 10-12. The sensitivity of the L1 and R1 keys actually becomes a problem as well, for as we learned with our first prototype that featured buttons on both sides instead of the joystick on the left, side clicks require a non-zero amount of gripping action. It’s not much, but just enough so that about 20 percent of the time the user will inadvertantly click either L1 or R1 while clicking one of the number pad buttons. In order to reliably prevent this from happening, one has to lift both fingers off the mouse, which isn’t difficult, but does happen to be annoyingly easy to forget.

      Comparative points: The basic mouse technology is similar. The Naga is prettier and superficially more ergonomical while the Meta is more comfortable in practice. The Naga buttons are much less programmable than the Meta buttons and joystick. The number pad buttons are more useful for gaming than they are for non-gaming applications; it’s not a problem to reassign the Crouch function in CoD from the letter C to the number 5, but you really can’t reassign Ctrl-R in Mozilla Thunderbird that way becau

    2. Re:I'm not convinced by UninformedCoward · · Score: 1

      I have the Naga and the thumb side number-pad is nice but your thumb has issues reaching the 3, 6, and 9 digits as you have to hold the mouse w/ your thumb and ring/pinky finger. Overall, it gets uncomfortable quickly when using anything other than the lowest and most forward digits (7, 8, and 4). I foresee this mouse being unable to right/left click and macro simultaneousness i.e. modifier keys. I would love to see a better picture of the mouse but it seems the site is pretty well /.'d already...

    3. Re:I'm not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naga? OK, now I'm curious. Is that one named after the mythical serpent creature, or is it a pun on the German "Nager" (which may actually be pronounced "Naga" depending on where in Germany you're from, and which means "rodent")?

    4. Re:I'm not convinced by slashgimp · · Score: 1

      FTA: "... The WarMouse Meta goes where no mouse has gone before." - Engadget

      Perhaps another way to say that is "Good riddance to daft rodents." ;)

      S

    5. Re:I'm not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naga's thumb buttons aren't easy to use.

    6. Re:I'm not convinced by Ka+D'Argo · · Score: 1

      I also have a Naga and I love it. The 12 buttons on the right thumb side are a good size, so even fat fingers like mine and press them. It definitely has a very nice natural ergonomic feel to it and the rubber top and in-groove left/right click make it a dream to handle. A fully remappable 17 keys, was worth the price.

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    7. Re:I'm not convinced by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Actually, the "top side fingers" have a higher mobility due to one more joint than the thumb. Besides bringing us civilization, the thumb itself is the worst coordinated finger of them all.

  21. Everything old is new again by wandazulu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The mother of all demos is typically cited as where Douglas Engelbart demonstrated the mouse as a pointing device for the very first time, but what is forgotten is that he also had, for his left hand, a small set of levers for performing "common actions" (read: shortcuts) that essentially served a similar purpose as all those buttons on this mouse.

    I remember reading in a book that, among all the SRI researchers, only Engelbart himself ever got the hang of how to use it; the others apparently simply preferred to use the mouse and keyboard. I wouldn't be surprised if this mouse gets a fanatical following of about three people, while the rest of the world moves on.

  22. Warmouse! Good god y'all! What is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely nothing!

    Say it again.

  23. Does it run (on) Linux? by Teun · · Score: 1

    Is a Linux driver available?

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    1. Re:Does it run (on) Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is a Linux driver available?

      Last line of the article:
      The WarMouse Meta is now available for $79.99 / EUR69.99 / GBP59.99 for Windows-based operating systems. Full Linux and OSX support is expected in Q3 2010.

    2. Re:Does it run (on) Linux? by emandems · · Score: 1

      Yeah really. I still can't get the wheel tilt on my Logitech G5 to scroll up and down in Firefox.

    3. Re:Does it run (on) Linux? by mobets · · Score: 1

      From the bottom of the article with emphasis added:

      Because WarMouse is a supporter of Open Source Software, the Meta Modeware software has been released under the Lesser Gnu Public License version 3. For more detailed information about the WarMouse Meta, visit http://www.warmouse.com./ The WarMouse Meta is now available for $79.99 / EUR69.99 / GBP59.99 for Windows-based operating systems. Full Linux and OSX support is expected in Q3 2010.

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    4. Re:Does it run (on) Linux? by Teun · · Score: 1
      Owww, you read the full article :)

      Thanks for the info, I can imagine use for this or better.

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  24. just buy a naga from razor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would i want that crap over say something thats already been available for a long time like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153054

  25. Naga greater than WarMouse by Conchobair · · Score: 1

    The Razer Naga in my opinion is a lot more ideal for gaming. Coming in at 17 buttons, only one short of the Warmouse its very comparable. But what the Naga does better is the button placement, with the majority of them on the side to hit with your thumb. The shape and button placement are going to allow better grip and control when the shit starts to fly. The warmouse looks ackward to hold and the button placement on the top just looks like a disorginized clusterfuck compared to the sleek Naga.

    1. Re:Naga greater than WarMouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two aren't really comparable. The Meta holds three thousand commands for lots of different applications, whereas the Naga only holds 17 for gaming. Also, the Meta's joystick looks a lot more usable with the thumb than the 12 little buttons. So the Naga is for games and the Meta is for games and stuff like CAD or whatever the doctor guy was talking about. The Naga looks ergo, but at least according to the WarMouse designer who compared the two mice on their blog, it's not really as ergonomic in action.

      "The Naga ergonomics only feel nice so long as you don’t attempt to use the scroll wheel or any button that isn’t L1 or R1. The core problem is the aforementioned hand rotation. This means that the mouse designer made an understandable, but inherently bad mistake in placing the M4 and M5 buttons on the forward left edge of the mouse; they would be much more useful and comfortable if they were on the forward RIGHT edge and used by the middle finger, but having to move your index finger to the left against the rotation of the mouse puts strain on the second knuckle and I started feeling pain there after the second day. (This is essentially the same problem that can occur when using the Meta in a V-grip instead of a W.) Only five of the number pad keys are very useful- 1-3, 5 and 6 – as it’s difficult to automatically locate 4 and 7-9, or angle your thumb back sharply enough to reach 10-12. The sensitivity of the L1 and R1 keys actually becomes a problem as well, for as we learned with our first prototype that featured buttons on both sides instead of the joystick on the left, side clicks require a non-zero amount of gripping action. It’s not much, but just enough so that about 20 percent of the time the user will inadvertantly click either L1 or R1 while clicking one of the number pad buttons. In order to reliably prevent this from happening, one has to lift both fingers off the mouse, which isn’t difficult, but does happen to be annoyingly easy to forget."

    2. Re:Naga greater than WarMouse by Pewpdaddy · · Score: 1

      /. omitted my > symbol ~!!! I concur the Naga is tight and precise, that thing looks like a mess... Which 2 buttons are left and right? Plus with the new drivers you can macro your buttons for more good times.

    3. Re:Naga greater than WarMouse by Conchobair · · Score: 1

      Dalaran sewers, 3:00. Let's do this.

    4. Re:Naga greater than WarMouse by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      I have to agree about index finger buttons on the left of the main left mouse button ... I have never been able to comfortably use them on any mouse which had them (and a lot have them).

    5. Re:Naga greater than WarMouse by Reapy · · Score: 1

      I just got the naga and I might have hesitated had I heard about this warmouse. I would really really need to feel it in my hand before buying though, though I wished I had been able to with the naga.

      Overall I like the naga but I haven't really put it through its paces yet. I just have been craving for a long time a mouse with more than 5 buttons on it.

      I tentatively agree with the points brought up here but slightly different movements for my hands.

      I have basically dismissed the m4 and 5 buttons on the left of the top, they are pretty useless imho on their difficulty to hit.

      The first button I used was 4 and I find that the most comfortable, I leave my thumb resting between 4 and 1, from there I can hit 1, 2, 4, 5 very easily.

      The rest I have to learn muscle memory. Right now I can find the buttons but I upset the mouse aim as I don't have the thumb dexterity to hit it yet, but I can see over time I would get it once I get more confident on button locations.

      But yeah, the thumb pad is well done, but its not perfect.At the very least I have picked up a ton of extra buttons, even if I don't hit every one of them.

      I wonder if the war mouse approach of having all the buttons on top is ultimately more comfortable, the test will be if you can hit the buttons without disturbing the aim point, which I think you could, Ah well, I made my choice, good to see some more options out there.

  26. Engadget review by wizdave · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a decent engadget review and associated video of this mouse.

  27. Real king mouse by Max_W · · Score: 1

    I've bought 2 mice from a company in Michigan www.quietmouse.com

    This mouse is soundless. Literally soundless, there is only tactile clicks feedback, no sound at all.

    It si very good for telecommuters. I can work even in a library now.

  28. Dick Jones would love this! by KingGypsy · · Score: 1

    Let's rename it the ED-209 mouse! KG

  29. New keyboards? by woboyle · · Score: 1

    So, instead of keyboards with integrated mice/trackballs/touchpads, we are getting mice with integrated keyboards! Thanks, but no thanks! I'll stick with my wireless trackball.

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  30. Since we slashdotted the website... by Spyware23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since we slashdotted the website I thought I'd post a cache version of the article. So, here goes.

    WarMouse Meta: "The King of All Computer Mice" is now shipping and it isn't just for games

    Oxford, England, July 28, 2010 - WarMouse today announced that its much-anticipated multi-button laser joystick mouse is now shipping. With a patented design featuring 18 buttons, an analog joystick, and a 5600-CPI laser sensor, the Meta has been well received by gamers and commercial software developers alike. Containing twice as much memory as the original Macintosh, the WarMouse(R) Meta holds 3,072 commands in 64 mouse modes, allowing the mouse to completely change its functionality on the fly according to the active application.

    Hands-on reviews of the mouse from various technology sites have been uniformly positive:

    * "WarMouse has given the concept of the mouse a whole new meaning." - Techzine
    * "There's no doubt that the $79.99 Meta with its 512K of memory is the most advanced mouse we've ever seen - each of its 18 buttons along with their double-click functions can be configured for different applications, and its analog joystick can be customized to perform eight different commands.... The WarMouse Meta goes where no mouse has gone before." - Engadget
    * "The King of All Computer Mice.... If there is one mouse that beats them all, then it sure is the WarMouse Meta." - Trends Updates
    * "Mouse technology has reached a peak with the Warmouse Meta." - Trendhunter

    The Meta is one of the first computer mice to incorporate a digital/analog joystick into its design and is the first mouse to permit the use of the joystick as a keyboard interface. In the three digital joystick settings, the user can assign up to sixteen different key functions to the joystick in each of the 64 mouse modes. In the analog joystick settings, the use can select between having up to seven joystick buttons available or using all 18 buttons as keyboard and/or mouse commands instead. In addition to providing an easy means of creating and customizing mouse modes, the Meta Modeware software records the user's button clicks and stores the statistics by application, allowing players to perform postgame analysis of their multiplayer matches and more efficiently arrange their button assignments.

    "The WarMouse Meta isn't just an awesome mouse for gamers, but for game designers too," said Chris Taylor, the designer of Total Annihilation, the Strategy Game of the Decade, and CEO of Gas Powered Games. "Being able to data mine game actions through the Meta takes gaming mouse technology to a whole new level."

    Unlike most gaming mice, the multi-button utility of the WarMouse Meta is not limited to games despite its high-end specifications.. The award-winning science fiction writer John Scalzi, known for his mad photo-imaging skills as well as his predilection for slaughtering the digital undead, declared the Meta is "Equally at home fine-tuning pictures in Photoshop or fighting the slavering zombie hordes. Because I do both. Although usually not at the same time." Dr. Murray Reicher, M.D., the CEO of DR Systems, was one of the first adopters of the new mouse interface and said: "This new input device has great potential in healthcare, particularly in the field of medical imaging. I'm looking forward to introducing it to our physician and technologist customers."

    The features of the WarMouse Meta include:

    * 18 programmable mouse buttons with double-click functionality.
    * High-resolution laser sensor with adjustable resolution ranging from 100 to 5,600 DPI/CPI.
    * Six assignable button modes: Key, Keypress, Macro, Mouse, Special, and Mouse-Key Combo.
    * Analog Xbox 360-style joystick with six analog and digital joystick modes.
    * Clickable and co

    1. Re:Since we slashdotted the website... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Containing twice as much memory as the original Macintosh...

      * 512k of flash memory...

      The original Macintosh had 128 KiB of DRAM. The next model had 512 KiB and the original Macintosh was rebadged "Macintosh 128K".

      No Macintosh ever had only 256 KiB of memory (the original was not memory-upgradeable).

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  31. Re:" 10 fingers all on my right hand"? by davrob60 · · Score: 1

    I have 10 fingers all on my right hand.

    If I was you, this mouse was not the thing I would anticipate, 10 finger gloves would....

  32. Does it have a flywheel? by Slutticus · · Score: 0

    Or just a clickwheel? Gotta have a flywheel.

  33. My ultimate mouse by ortholattice · · Score: 1

    My wife is driven batty, tossing and turning and unable to sleep, with the constant clickety-click of the mouse I use with my netbook for reading/browsing in bed. I have tried several models and picked the quietest, but still there's an audible click that either gets me kicked out of bed eventually or forces me to use the (for me) less efficient trackpad. I've tried to test different models in the store, but it's hard to judge accurate through the thick clamshell packaging. Ideally what I'd like is a portable (small) mouse, preferably wireless, that has no audible click but does provide enough tactile feedback to know that you've clicked it. Any suggestions?

    1. Re:My ultimate mouse by casings · · Score: 1

      My suggestion: reading comments before posting one:

      Real king mouse (Score:2)
      by Max_W (812974)
      Alter Relationship
      on 9:39 Tuesday 29 June 2010 (#32730852)
      I've bought 2 mice from a company in Michigan www.quietmouse.com

      This mouse is soundless. Literally soundless, there is only tactile clicks feedback, no sound at all.

      It si very good for telecommuters. I can work even in a library now.

    2. Re:My ultimate mouse by danomac · · Score: 1

      My suggestion would be to go to bed when you're ready for sleep. I've never understood why people need computers and TVs in the bedroom. All they do is annoy the SO.

    3. Re:My ultimate mouse by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      You're right, I skimmed through the comments too fast. Anyway thanks for answering. This seems to be what I'm looking for, and I ordered one.

  34. King? Looks More Like the Clown by knapper_tech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Five important aspects of a mouse:
    1 Frictionless Scroll Wheel (no bumps while rolling...carpal tunnel)
    2 Buttons click with very little vibration. After several thousand clicks per day, the difference between Thwump and TwhaCkchkchck becomes painfully obvious
    3 Very, very precise tracking. Although Blue-track is awesome on rough surfaces, I like that first pixel to be quantum mechanically entangled with the first detectable movement. Making users hands numb is not an acceptable way to bring tactile feedback and mouse movement into synch.
    4 Shape. Just don't make it suck. Mechanically, I really like there to be troths for the fingers. I think they help bring more of the finger into contact and use the soft tissue to dampen vibrations quickly and gently. It also helps reduce the total moment carried by the fingertip because some of it is applied towards the base.
    5 Transmitter and battery....afterthoughts but they need to be on a list that includes everything a mouse engineer should know.

    When I started using blender to do tons of 3D modelling, compositing, skinning, animation etc etc, I noticed how crappy mice really are. Most seem to be designed so that oilfield workers will still feel comfortable using them after pulling several thousand feet of pipe.

    When truly tied to lots of mouse action, the most important thing is to make it as much of a psychic experience as possible. The mouse should barely exist.

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  35. At least they've got lots of them by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Store page says :

    1e+09 Units in Stock

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  36. All the way, baby! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    18 buttons? Pfft!
    I just strapped a dozen keyboards to a Swiss ball!

    Now tell me who has the king of all computer mice!?! :D

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  37. Is it me? by majesty2180 · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from tendinitis of the Carpal Tunnel just from looking at the thing (this statement is not meant to have any hidden meaning of sexual self-satisfaction)? I can't imagine using that 18 button behemoth for any extended time...

  38. I have a better idea by Thraxy · · Score: 1

    Gut an old mouse and glue the components to the bottom of your keyboard. Make a little hole in the top of the keyboard for the scroll wheel. Put little non-sticky pads on each corner of the keyboard, and voila!! All the buttons you could possibly want on your brand new SUPER MOUSE OF DOOM!

  39. Ball-mouse by Phatency · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one still using a ball-mouse? This COMPAQ beast has a scrollwheel and everything, it only scrolls downwards though.

  40. Wrong name by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

    It would not be called War Mouse. Should be called Ubur-robo-matic-mouse-of-war, and it should be wireless.

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  41. Doctor Who designed this thing?? by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    That would explain a lot, but now I think it's missing egg beaters and a cricket bat.

  42. r2d2Dave by r2d2Dave · · Score: 1

    It's not only a mouse it's a medieval battle axe, good for when one of those nasty bugs crawls across your desk. Also can be used to tenderize meat in preparing for the grill. I like it!

  43. Symmetrical mouse by gknoy · · Score: 1

    From the images that Google image search turns up (such as this one), it appears to be a symmetrical mouse, which should work just fine for using left-handed or ambidextrously. (My Razer is the same way, and I love it.) The buttons are surely reconfigurable in the driver software, also.

    1. Re:Symmetrical mouse by OttoErotic · · Score: 1

      The body is symmetrical, but in everything I've seen the thumbstick is only on the left side. It's racism, pure and simple; worse than 1000 holocausts. I should sue them under the ADA.

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    2. Re:Symmetrical mouse by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that left-handedness is a disability?

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  44. No pictures? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    No pictures of the mouse on the web page. The PDF only shows it in profile.

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  45. 19 Button Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen to this...19... Button...Mouse

    Think about it. You walk into a computer store, you see a 18-Button Mouse sittin' there, there's a 19-Button Mouse right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?

  46. Re:Trackball (dragging is awkward) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the problems with trackballs is that it is that dragging something is very awkward.

  47. Bah. If you really want to frag get a PXL by jdb2 · · Score: 1

    Seems these people haven't heard of the Assassin 3D which was released almost a decade and a half ago. It was designed with similar goals -- ie. a trackball for aiming -- but was coupled with a real joystick for movement. This setup proved to be one of the great innovations for mouser haters. Indeed, I've had much fun fragging mouse+keyboard users since I bought my first Panther XL back in '98 -- the philosophical successor to the Assassin 3D. Nowadays I use a hacked/modified PXL where the mechanical 2-axis ( rotary ) sensor for the trackball has been replaced by the guts of a high end optical gaming mouse and the joystick electronics/sensor have either been modified to translate the joystick motion into eg. WASD key presses that are sent down a USB cable or in my case they've been replaced by a Panther DX USB joystick. ( The Panther DX is essentially the joystick component of the Panther XL )

    jdb2

  48. Open Office Mouse by dexomn · · Score: 1

    It's not just a bad Office joke anymore, now its a gaming joke too!

    http://openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html

  49. Late into the market and it looks clunky. by Glarimore · · Score: 1

    The Naga from Razer is far and away the better mouse if one wants heinous amounts of buttons on their mouse. This is simply because the Naga gives you the standard two main mouse buttons and then puts the 12 "function-buttons" on the side. Even If I want crazy amounts of buttons, I don't want to have to forgo the two standard, normal-sized, easy-to-use buttons when I'm not downing The Lich King.

  50. oooh is it by unity100 · · Score: 1

    and, will you eat your words if it finds mainstream usage ?

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  51. Re:Naga WarMouse by GasparGMSwordsman · · Score: 1

    That sounds like a challenge! I accept. =P

  52. Re:King? Looks More Like the Clown by cgenman · · Score: 1

    For gaming, you actually do want a scroll wheel with bumps. The scroll wheel is used frequently for discrete selections like weapons and inventory. Sadly, this is why it is really hard to find frictionless scroll wheels.

    Personally I want a thumb trackball on mice for scrolling, since 2 dimensional scrolling is a sad part of the real world. And a trackball thumb could be used for easy camera rotation in 3DS Max.

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  53. Simpler mice are better by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    I've found, consistently, that the best computer mice are the basic mice at the bottom of the product lines for Logitech and Microsoft. I like scroll-wheels, although clicking on them is difficult. Optical mice were a great improvement over mechanical ball mice. But, if there are more than three buttons, I don't use them. I want as little fussing with the mouse as possible.

    The "gaming mouse" nonsense has gotten out of hand. What is with advertising mice that have ultra-high resolutions, when computers can't actually process any more input from them than they can from basic mice? (Rhetorical question.)

    1. Re:Simpler mice are better by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      I've yet to find a mouse that's better than Logitech's MX518. The position of the buttons (and slight pressure needed to press) makes them easy to use. With the scroll wheel not having side-to-side scroll the middle-click can consistently be pressed without accidentally scrolling left or right.

      Compare to Logitech's MX610, cannot use the middle button due to the sloppy side-to-side scroll, almost all of the top-left-side buttons are difficult to press, and the thumb buttons require more pressure and are "harder". Very poor design comparatively.

      This WarMouse beast doesn't even have easy-to-use Left/Right click w/o accidentally pressing some other key. No use of the middle-top space above/below the scroll wheel and middle of the body (like MX518) puts all the buttons in one place. The WarMouse doesn't look user-friendly or comforable to hold: not ergonomic.

      Unfortunately all of Logitech's more recent designs have eschewed the MX518 design in favor of the MX-Revolution and its ilk. The MX518 with the Revolution's side thumb wheel would probably be the ultimate mouse imho.

  54. Hail to the King by base_chakra · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new murine overlords.

  55. Looks like overkill to me by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

    Sometimes at work I find myself trying to navigate with thumb buttons that aren't there, or worse, scraping the buttons thinking it has a wheel, but this is something else.

    My first thought was: good for one-handed typing with multiple IM windows. There's a joke in there somewhere.

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  56. That would be the combi mouse by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/combimouse-keyboard-mouse-combo.jpg

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  57. Get a grip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ordered one?

    1. Re:Get a grip by unity100 · · Score: 1

      may be. im not playing wow anymore. but, have i been, it would provide great ease.

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  58. Just wait by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    You will have your comeuppance. Vengeance shall be mine! --19-button mouse

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  59. Re:King? Looks More Like the Clown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been stuck with a wired mouse ONLY because the batteries add a lot of weight. You might consider a corded mouse if you're this picky, for now I think it's the right choice.

  60. Re:King? Looks More Like the Clown by Reapy · · Score: 1

    Agree about the need for bumps on the scroll wheel. I hate the frictionless ones, but in the context of doing 3d modeling, I could see how having fine adjustment is useful.

    Perhaps you should look into 3d mice for doing 3d work. There is one linked above in comments that is along that line, though I'm sure there are ones that are less overkill then that mouse.

  61. Re:Naga WarMouse by NoZart · · Score: 1

    Yeah, pressing "12" really looks convenient on the thing.
    Seriously, why are the thumb buttons on ALL mice placed that way? They should be at the same height as the left click, as the stretched thumb has about the same reach as the "curved around the mouse" index finger.

  62. The real question by KoRnhornio · · Score: 1

    But can you install Linux on it?

  63. On more thing! by Cptn+Brittish · · Score: 1

    I can see one problem, *How The Hell Do You Push The Left Or Right Mouse Button* Ill just stick to my Razor Abyssus

  64. Is this some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this mouse some rubber dome faggotry? I only accept microswitches. And for how many milli will the debounce code sit around with its dick in hand before accepting a release?

  65. NOT the king of Ergonomy by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    A dozen keyboards makes about 1344 keys would make it a hell to work with.

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