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Survey Says To UK — Repeal Laws of Thermodynamics

mostxlnt writes "As we noted, the new Tory UK government has launched a website asking its subjects which laws they'd most like repealed. There are proposals up for repeal of the Laws of Thermodynamics: Second, Third, and all (discussion thread on this one closed by a moderator). One comment on the Third [now apparently deleted] elucidated: 'Without the Third Law of Thermodynamics, it would be possible to build machines that would last forever and provide an endless source of cheap energy. thus solving both potential crises in energy supply as well as solving the greenhouse gas problem in one step... simples... eh?'"

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  1. When you open up the floodgates... by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    idiots pour through.

    1. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not idiots, just trolls who want a few lulz.

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    2. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by fractoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Parent is a restatement of the second law of Thermodynamics. Idiots flow from areas with fewer idiots to areas with more idiots, but it takes work to reverse the flow and decrease the idiot density of one (low-density) area while increasing the idiot density of another, higher-idiot-density area.

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    3. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      idiots pour through.

      Whereas most smart people in Britain would rather repeal the law that Americans don't get British sarcasm and wit, but sadly that also seems to be an unchangeable law of nature...

    4. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by w0mprat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Idiots flow from areas with fewer idiots to areas with more idiots, but it takes work to reverse the flow and decrease the idiot density of one (low-density) area while increasing the idiot density of another, higher-idiot-density area.

      Now demonstrated to be false since the discovery of Quantum Bogodynamics, back in the early days of IT. http://wikibin.org/articles/quantum-bogodynamics.html Idiots flow from idiot-dense areas to low idiot density - non-idiots must work hard to either keep idiots out. This force is transmitted by an Idiot giving up a particle of Bogon which is absorbed by a non-idiot. Thus manifesting as an attractive force.

      This is why the most beautifully engineered and brilliant machines will fail in the most spectacular way when the strongest bogon emitters are invariably attracted to them. This is why Lamborghinis seem to spontanously catch on fire but that old Toyota Corolla you can't can't kill.

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    5. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did parent and GP just describe the influx of people from high-replacement rural areas to low-replacement urban areas, or did I miss something?

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    6. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fox News has prior art. You're gonna get sued.

    7. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nonsense - feminists have been campaigning against the laws of Thermodynamics for years: they are sexist, as they favour men, who can understand such complex issues, while women only want to worry their pretty heads about perfume "because they are worth it"

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    8. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by fractoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      The problem is that the idiot-detecting demon at the front door (let's call him Maxwell) will, sadly, become more stupid with each idiot he allows to walk outward, and each idiot he refuses entry. Ultimately, Maxwell will be enough of an idiot that he will fail to function.

      ...don't you hate it when you take an analogy way too far and still, somehow, it holds?

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    9. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by makomk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Half-true. There are some feminists out there who are against science because it favours men, but the reason why isn't the sexist bullshit Anne Thwacks wrote. It's feminist bullshit instead - something about the privileging of male logic over female intuition IIRC. Then there's the vaguer anti-science sentiments.

      In general, though, more mainstream feminists are only against science when it gets the wrong answer. (Take a look at the issue of domestic violence, for example: the exact same research methods are praised when they show huge numbers of women are victims and attacked when they show nearly as many men are. The preferred statistics for the ratio of male to female victims are police ones known to omit many victims - almost certainly in a non-uniform fashion - but anyone using these for the number of female victims obviously hates women.)

      Funnily enough, this did have a political effect here under the last Government. Take a look at the studies leading to the extreme porn act and the changes in the laws on prostitution. Poorly-conducted, politicised crap, but because the newspapers care more about getting the most sensational stories than accurate science and the general populace handily doesn't know better, it worked.

    10. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by delinear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's far from a "real opportunity to be involved in politics", unless by that statement you mean it's "an opportunity to have their views ignored by politicians". If our government (and I'm aware that it's a different government, I've seen enough to know they're all basically the same) could ignore the views of 750,000 - 2,000,000 people who turned up in person to protest the Iraq war, what makes you think they won't ignore people who are only posting on the internet? We already have the precedent of government ignoring mass e-petitions on the number 10 petition site, so far as I can see this is no different, they'll cherry pick the laws they want to repeal, find a handful of petitioners and use that to justify that they're following the will of the people, meanwhile they'll conveniently ignore any large petitions to repeal laws they actually want to keep.

    11. Re:When you open up the floodgates... by John+Napkintosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's far from a "real opportunity to be involved in politics", unless by that statement you mean it's "an opportunity to have their views ignored by politicians".

      Worse than that, it's an opportunity for politicians to selectively "hear" opinions which support a particular effort or view, and ignore the rest. If everyone were being ignored uniformly, that would at least be fair.

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  2. 4chan threw the vote by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No other way.

  3. Brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Government actually uses the internet for something potentially beneficial, and people troll it. I'm surprised there isn't anything related to lazers, mudkips, or Pedobear on there.

    1. Re:Brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well what the hell did you expect? The site is little more than theater - nobody in power is going to take it seriously one way or the other, so why not have a little fun with it?

    2. Re:Brilliant by jd · · Score: 3, Informative

      I suspect that nobody is really that bothered by laws requiring those under 16 to practice with the longbow or cabs to carry bails of hay. I also seriously doubt that many people even know that many laws, let alone which ones are absurd.

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    3. Re:Brilliant by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So did I the first time I heard it. I knew there was a trick since the person had a giant idiot grin on his face while he cited the number of fatalities caused buy it.

      This is one of those tricks that idiots hear and like to repeat because it make them think they are looking clever. Have you ever know someone who memorized the answers to one or two incredibility difficult equations and kept spouting it out? My favorite are people who run their emails through a thesaurus so they can use bigger words even when they do not know what those new words mean.

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  4. Newsbiscuit, anyone? by boundary · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think it's happening because of this article on a British clone of The Onion, called NewsBiscuit... http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/07/05/nick-clegg-to-repeal-second-law-of-thermodynamics/

    1. Re:Newsbiscuit, anyone? by evilandi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Boundary> http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/07/05/nick-clegg-to-repeal-second-law-of-thermodynamics/

      The really clever bit being that Professor Brian Cox really is a top-ranking physics professor, who was indeed the keyboardist for the band D:Ream who did have a UK number one hit "Things can only get better" that was used as the election theme tune for the previous government. Which puts the satire way above The Onion. You'd have thought that a CERN scientist wouldn't have penned such an inaccurate song, although "Things will get more and more random" probably wouldn't have achieved the same chart success.

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    2. Re:Newsbiscuit, anyone? by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      http://newsarse.com/ is a British sporting version. Good for a giggle.

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    3. Re:Newsbiscuit, anyone? by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'd have thought that a CERN scientist wouldn't have penned such an inaccurate song, although "Things will get more and more random" probably wouldn't have achieved the same chart success.

      That depends on your stance on randomness. He's obviously in favour of it.

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    4. Re:Newsbiscuit, anyone? by Threni · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some people in Britain have worked out how to access websites hosted outside of the UK, so it's entirely possible, however unlikely, that they were inspired by an Onion article:

      http://www.theonion.com/articles/christian-right-lobbies-to-overturn-second-law-of,281/

  5. Re:First Law? by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    These aren't complete idiots. Everyone knows the First Law is what prevents robots doing harm to humans.

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  6. Re:Foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, if you squint really, really hard, that rolled up newspaper looks an awful lot like an olive branch. The thing is, they both smart when you're being whacked with 'em.

  7. Reminds me of my favorite April Fools by n2rjt · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember a news article that circulated around the communications company where I worked, on some April 1st, saying that Shannon's Law had been repealed, and the company was ready to release a new product offering high speed Internet access over HF on a 2.8 kHz channel. So, I'd vote for Shannon's Law to be repealed.

  8. Re:Perfect laws? by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gravity, that Law that keeps me form drifting out into space and into the sun?

    Wait, if Gravity were gone, that wouldn't happen, because the sun couldn't pull me either.

    What the hell would happen?

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  9. Re:Perfect laws? by Third+Position · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason this is largely being treated as a joke by the British people is that most of the unpopular laws are coming from Brussels, not London. There isn't much the British government can do about EU directives, besides withdraw from the EU. And that's not on the table.

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  10. "Tory" government!? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here was I thinking we had a coalition of Tory and Libs.

    1. Re:"Tory" government!? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here was I thinking we had a coalition of Tory and Libs.

      Yup, the Libs think that too. Aren't they just adorable?

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  11. Round PI off to 3.00 for convenience by aauu · · Score: 3, Funny

    We need simple easy to remember mathmatical and physical constants. Alabama failed to pass this modification to the universe. Washington could do much better.

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  12. Repealing the Second Law by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually thought about this once, not that I have any illusions about being able to do it; it was just a Gedankenexperiment. My conclusion was that if the Second Law was eliminated, the odds are good that somewhere in the universe some process would enter a feedback loop, producing ever more energy at an ever accelerating rate, and the first we'd know about it would be when the shock wave washed over us at a substantial fraction of the speed of light.

    The universe as it stands may be a raw deal, but most imaginable tweaks to the laws of physics make it even worse.

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    1. Re:Repealing the Second Law by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The universe as it stands may be a raw deal, but most imaginable tweaks to the laws of physics make it even worse.

      The Winston Churchill rule: This is the worse universe, except for all others.

    2. Re:Repealing the Second Law by mrthoughtful · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well actually, the British Empire is no more, so the effects of UK legislation would be limited to it's borders.
      I'm pretty sure that biological processes require 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, so life in the UK would cease, but all of UK neighbours would benefit from the energy leakage of from (possibly) the only non-singularity free of the second law.

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  13. How will you know? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well what the hell did you expect? The site is little more than theater

    It is because people like you are making it one.

    What if it's real? Why try to kill something that might actually help before it has a chance to show if it's theater or not?

    Why is it so hard to believe that a group being voted in on a wave of people finding the government unreasonable, might in fact want to git rid of some of the more egregious laws that have sprung up? It seems pretty obvious if you get rid of very unpopular laws you (and your group) are going to win more elections. So the thought that it's theater did not occur to me, if for no other reason than politician self-interest - and do you really want to bet against THAT?

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    1. Re:How will you know? by Miseph · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Being theater is not mutually exclusive to being taken seriously. Just because they couldn't really care less, doesn't mean they are somehow above throwing the people a meaningless and symbolic bone to appease them. Never forget: good theater keeps the lights on and the players employed.

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    2. Re:How will you know? by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because political parties are not even doing the things they promised *before* the elections. Should't they at least *try* to implement their political portfolios before they start pondering what their next move should be? In my opinion, this is just a distraction from their inneficiency to do what they promised, or at least something meaningfull. The fact that the discussion evolved into a Monty Python sketch shows that they cannot fool people any more with their rubbish. People are not taking them seriously any more.

    3. Re:How will you know? by FuckingNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I could give you mounds of evidence, but here's what stands out:

      Clegg, the overt organiser of this circus, has sold out his Party to a power shak^Hring agreement, abandoning pretty much every core platform on which they established their vote. More insidiously, he's accepting arrangements which make it look like the LDs are pushing for their manifesto when in fact they're doing precisely the opposite. For example, his Party has steadfastly put voting reform to Proportional Representation at the top of the political agenda for decades, but now he is proposing the Alternative Voting method - a "compromise" system even less Proportional than FPTP which will inevitably be voted against in any referendum, ensuring the status quo.

      The LDs have always been the "Party who cares"[tm], i.e. proposes more than just slight tweaks, and they've always been laughed at because, "They'd never really do that and can only say that because they'll never get into power." Well, now they do have a certain degree of power. And they're doing none of what they said. Instead, as just illustrated, their method will be to listen, propose a "compromise" which no-one wants at all, then wait until it's not imposed and nothing changes at all. The exceptions will be where laws were already going to be tweaked, in which case this site will be used as an excuse (digital economy, personal welfare).

      tl;dr We are living in a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. There is neither the framework, education, means nor (most importantly) interest to listen directly to the people. Even referendums are barely an exception as they're worded precisely by the government and (hi, EU!) sometimes just repeated until the population is worn down and the right answer is obtained.

    4. Re:How will you know? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We know that both the Lib Dems and Tories (both parties in the coalition) have promised a bill to repeal some laws - it was in their manifestos. Sure, they might lie, but I think it's quite reasonable to believe they will have some form of "freedom bill" (they've already repealed ID cards and biometric passports, for example).

      This site might be "theatre" in the sense that they already have their list of ideas, and this site is only there to add support to it - e.g., "We're repealing the Digital Economy Act because it's one of the top of the list, and we're doing what people want!" But is that a bad thing? I would be very happy if they repealed the DEA, and if this site gives them extra support to do that, I'm happy to support the site. Even though technically it might be "theatre", the site still has a use in giving them extra support for repealing those laws.

      I wouldn't want a site where the top ideas automatically get repealed, anyway - direct democracy has it's downsides, as well as the problem that online polls/voting can be very unreliable anyway. But having a site that helps to feed ideas that politicians might not have thought of could be of use.

  14. Re:Greens by igb · · Score: 4, Informative

    And they that sarcasm doesn't travel well.

    In case it wasn't entirely obvious, these are jokes. The whole process is a farce, so people are making jokes. I know, I know, I shouldn't have to say.

  15. Looking for a genius or an Ig? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you are caught break a regular law (speeding, larceny, etc.), you can expect to be punished with a fine or worse.

    If you manage to break any of the Laws of Thermodynamics, you can expect to be lauded, copied, co-author a stream of high-impact papers, get offered some cushy sinecures, and eventually receive a Nobel prize.

    The far likelier outcome, of course, is to be given an Ignobel prize, for a fruitless and ill-conceived waste of effort. I suspect the UK government can look forward to at least an honorable mention at the next Ig award ceremonies.

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  16. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    the new Tory UK government has

    It's not a Tory government, it's a coalition government.

  17. Re:First Law? by GuerillaRadio · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first law of Thermodynamics is that YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT THERMODYNAMICS!

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  18. Another one: Repeal the British North America Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/repeal-the-british-north-america-act-1867

  19. Just trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a joke, amazed that you guys think these submissions are from idiots that believe this is possible. It's a British site, we enjoy taking the piss out of government crap.

    1. Re:Just trolls by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. We don't believe for a minute they're going to repeal any laws worth repealing so let's just mock them.

      For more examples see the petitions site: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/

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  20. what about... by perryizgr8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...rule 34?
    is it a law?

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  21. Re:Perfect laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once. I mentioned to my Dad how neat the centrifugal force was. Then he pushed me off.

  22. How is this news? by deblau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean really, it's not even tagged "Funny". Probably because people trolling what appears to be a legitimate attempt by an oppressive government to actually be, you know, less oppressive, really isn't funny to begin with.

    Same goes for the previous "story", whose title is not just grossly misleading, but plain wrong. Curiously, these two stories have the same editor. And yes, I'm willing to risk my karma to point this out.

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  23. Re:Perfect laws? by value_added · · Score: 3, Funny

    The reason this is largely being treated as a joke by the British people is that most of the unpopular laws are coming from Brussels, not London.

    I found another online survey the results of which reflects similar sentiments.

    What should we call those [shakes fist in air] people in Brussels?

    5. Let's not call them anything. Let's ignore them.
    4. Belgians. Nothing is more derogatory.
    3. The Sprouts.
    2. The Phlegms.
    1. Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards.

  24. Re:Perfect laws? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

    The serious favourite for repeal on that site is the law against cannabis. Perfectly reasonable law to repeal. Plenty of good reasons for doing so. But there's no change the government will do so. They aren't really interested in hearing what the public wants. They just want it to appear that they are listening.

    Hence why the public choose to ridicule the whole thing by voting for the repeal of various laws of physics.

  25. Re:Perfect laws? by makomk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, successive British governments have realised that people think this. So they've taken to passing all the really unpopular laws by asking their appointees in the EU to push for EU-wide laws on the subject. If necessary, any additional nastiness above and beyond what the EU is willing to do can be inserted into the British implementation of the EU directives. The press are guaranteed to still blame it all on Europe, and only people who've been paying close attention notice it's a load of bullshit.