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Colleges Stepping Up Anti-Cheating Technology

Bruce Schneier's blog highlights a New York Times piece on high-tech methods for detecting student cheating. Schneier notes, "The measures used to prevent cheating during tests remind me of casino security measures." "No gum is allowed during an exam: chewing could disguise a student's speaking into a hands-free cellphone to an accomplice outside. The 228 computers that students use are recessed into desk tops so that anyone trying to photograph the screen — using, say, a pen with a hidden camera, in order to help a friend who will take the test later — is easy to spot. Scratch paper is allowed — but it is stamped with the date and must be turned in later. When a proctor sees something suspicious, he records the student's real-time work at the computer and directs an overhead camera to zoom in, and both sets of images are burned onto a CD for evidence." The Times article quotes from research published a few months back suggesting that the more you copy homework, the lower your grades.

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  1. Hmmm ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Funny

    So these schools are buying solutions to their problem of students cheating rather than figuring it out themselves? Isn't that what they're trying to prevent? /sarcasm

    1. Re:Hmmm ... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I went to a Polytechnic, so it was really difficult to cheat, in that most of our grade was made up of group projects and VERY-hands-on timed exams. First year, finals consisted of being given 1 regular Linksys Router, 2 desktops (1 with a fully configured running Windows machine), cabling tools and supplies, a port to the internet, and 2 discs, one of WinServ2K3 and the other was Fedora Core 4, and an HP Printer.

      The end result was to have the Windows computer host a virtual server through VMware running the Windows 2003 Server, which had to host active Directoy and a print server, and act as a router for traffic on a specified Class C subdomain. The Linksys router had to act as a router for a Class B subdomain, which the Fedora Desktop had to be on. The end result was that both the host Windows machine and the fedora machine had to be able to print a document. The internet port was for general debugging purposes, though they had blocked every site except the Polytechnic Campuses website (so no Googling!).

      You had the whole day (8 hours), If you got it done in the first 4 hours, you guaranteed passed, any longer and the teacher would gauge your progress and how you have things set up. It was the most intimidating test I've ever taken, though I passed - the only way you could cheat really is if you watched someone else and managed to follow them step by step, but then you might run the risk of making the same mistakes they did (and there were mistakes made by just about everyone. I remember getting stuck on having my Fedora Box access the webs properly, linux was not my strong suit*.)

      And really, you can't cheat in making a cable, plain and simple - either you know how to do it or you don't. You can't exactly pick up another students cable and look at their colouring scheme without getting noticed. All in all, I think all tests should be done in a hands-on way. We had the benefit of a small class size (maybe 20 students) so I can understand it being impractical for those big 100 people lectures at the university, but really its the best way to cut out cheating. Also, for an arts degree, I wouldn't even know where to start. All they ever do is write endless essays.

      Anyways - I got a little side tracked there.

      Our Prof - whom was nicknamed Lord of the Strings because he was a bit short and chubby like a hobbit, was commissioned by the Dean of the local university (why they didn't use their own IT/IS/CS department I don't know) to write an application that went through the internet and compared papers to help catch plagiarizing. He even showed us the code, which was quite impressive - almost overwhelming when you are first starting in programming.

      You enter in the topic of the paper.
      It went through the top lists of essay sites (which you could add or remove sites), and the first 2 pages worth of Google results for the words involved in the topic.
      Then it went through a statistical analysis on how similar some papers were. It could easily detect word for word copying, but he also had it set up to detect whether 1 or 2 words in a sentence were changed, and/or if the structure was simply reworked a little. At the end, it would give you a percentage on how much of the paper looked like it was just taken from online. It was then up to the prof to determine if that percentage was high enough to warrant further investigation. It also generated a report based on what sites it found the correlation.

      I guess what I'm eventually trying to say is...

      Who cheats anymore? You're almost guaranteed to get caught.

    2. Re:Hmmm ... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's okay for colleges to copy so long as they pay the money upfront. ;-)

      "the more you copy homework, the lower your grades." - I disagree. If the homework is worth 10% of your grade, then it's better to copy rather than run out of time and never turn it in (a zero). I recall in my engineering classes most of us copied, not because we wanted to, but because the profs so overloaded us with homework that it was impossible to get it all finished.

      It was ridiculous - about 10 hours of homework/week for a 3 or 4 credit class. Typical 18 credit load is 50 hours just on homework. Plus 18 hours for the lectures. Plus 10-20 hours on labwork. == 80-90 hours per week!

      Hmmm... on second thought maybe they were trying to prepare us for the Real World Suck of 60-70 hour weeks.

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    3. Re:Hmmm ... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      on second thought maybe they were trying to prepare us for the Real World Suck of 60-70 hour weeks.

      That was actually part of our orientation. They drew a graph for us. It went like this:

      This line here represents how hard the average worker works in the field.

      The first year, you'll be working about this hard: Half of what the average worked works at. Just introducing you to all the concepts, learning, seeing if you enjoy it, that kind of stuff. We don't want to scare anyone off in the first year basically.

      Second year, you'll be right on par with the working force. Expect your classes to be a little less than working a job but homework will make up for it.

      Third year, you'll be at about 1.5 times the average work load. This is so that when you get out of school, you are more than equipped to work in a variety of fields, and be an expert in each one. We pride ourselves on our graduate employment rate, we have to keep this high.

      Fourth year, You'll be at 2 times the average work load. This is so that when your boss comes down Friday at 4:55 pm and says "Holy Gosh Darn Crap, the server room has smoke coming out of it" you can go "No problem chief, I'll have it up before anyone is in on Monday, I better get that raise I asked for".

    4. Re:Hmmm ... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I ever went back to college I'd probably take a different tactic rather than blatant copying:

      - ignore the homework. Yeah it's worth 10% but tests were worth 60-70% and labs are another 20-30% so those are more important. I'd just scribble my best guess on the homework and not worry whether the final answer is right. The grad students are usually lenient, handing out 6-7% (out of 10) just because you tried.

      I'd then use the freed-up 50 hours to focus on actually learning the material, plus getting prepared for the tests so I can Ace them. Plus maybe meet a girl or two, rather than be terminally single.
      .

      ACE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGYn_NWa5E

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    5. Re:Hmmm ... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I learned

      A) How to construct Cat5e and Cat6 cables from basic supplies

      B) How to setup/config a server

      C) How to config a router

      D) Virtualization, how to use it properly

      E) Cross platform functionality.

      The only thing that might go away in 10 years is that specific cabling, but the theory in cabling is always the same.

      Are you telling me that writing something on paper would have been a better test of my skills?

      Keep in mind this was just first year, we had 3 others to dive into.

    6. Re:Hmmm ... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That is the *PERFECT* skill set for the next 20 years for any technology student to learn. It is in fact the #1 skillset needed for when you are unemployed (the ability to set up and maintain household and small business networks).

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    7. Re:Hmmm ... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends on the individual. *SOME* people can read help files and figure all of that out, sure. Some can get the "Networking for dummies" book and figure it out. And some learn it in college.

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    8. Re:Hmmm ... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a way it could help:
      You're unemployed for more than 16 months- happens to the best of us, especially in an economy where it is assumed that anybody with 2+ years of experience is completely interchangeable (a wrong assumption, but corporations are full of wrong assumptions). Your unemployment runs out because gasp, the Sentate decided to vote it down just before leaving on a long 4th of July Vacation.

      Without these skills you're up a creek. But WITH these skills, you start canvasing your friends and family for people who either just got broadband, are setting up a small business network, or are dissatisfied with the subjective speed of their computer. And with the money you earn from that, you get to eat for another day.

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    9. Re:Hmmm ... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fourth year, You'll be at 2 times the average work load. This is so that when your boss comes down Friday at 4:55 pm and says "Holy Gosh Darn Crap, the server room has smoke coming out of it" you can go "No problem chief, I'll have it up before anyone is in on Monday, I better get that raise I asked for".

      Sounds like your college is run by people with no significant grasp of reality. Yes, bosses occasionally ask you to pull all-nighters or all-weekenders, but that happens occasionally. If it's happening continuously, then that's a sign that this is a job for first-year college grads that they don't expect you to actually stay in for very long before moving on to a real job. Either that or the company is in a death spiral. Either way, you don't want to stay there.

      For a school to pull that on a continuous basis isn't preparing you for the real world. It's preparing you to go postal and shoot up the campus. Just saying. An 80 hour week is simply unsustainable for more than about two or three weeks at a time, whether you're talking about a workplace or a college. You're going to spend, at minimum:

      • 1 hour per day traveling between classes, etc.
      • 2 hours per day eating.
      • 45 minutes per day on personal hygiene.
      • 8 hours per day sleeping.
      • half an hour per day waking up.
      • half an hour per day going to sleep.

      That's 12 hours and 45 minutes, which leaves 11 hours, 15 minutes MAXIMUM that you can usefully use. An 80 hour week requires 11 hours, 26 minutes on average per day. So it simply can't be done without cutting into something that's actually critical for your health and well being, and that's if you don't take a single minute to just relax and enjoy life, don't attend any sort of religious institution, aren't in any fraternity or sorority, don't get any actual exercise beyond walking to/from class, etc. In short it's very unhealthy.

      Over long periods of time, such insane levels of work lead to serious mental health problems. If your school is truly working you 80 hours per week, you should contact a mental health professional and have them do a study on your school's population. I suspect you'll find higher than normal rates of anger management problems, severe inability to concentrate due to sleep deprivation, and a significantly elevated rate of depression and suicidal thoughts. It simply is not healthy to work people that hard over an extended period of time. It's so unhealthy that nearly every civilized country in the world (except the U.S.) has laws limiting work hours to significantly less than that.

      And it's not just unhealthy in the short term. College is a critical time in people's lives for creating new social relationships. For most people, their first thirteen years of education was spent with mostly the same people. College is the first time that they break away from that, and it is critical that they have sufficient time during all four years to get used to making new friends quickly. It's going to happen when they move from job to job later in life, and if they aren't prepared to handle that, it can be socially damaging, even devastating. When you lose a job, your whole social network goes away. Preparing students for that is at least as important as any academic information that they can impart---maybe even more important. The social learning will still be useful in twenty years, long after any detailed technical knowledge has become dated and stale.

      Also a substantial percentage of marriages occur because of people meeting in college. With an 80-hour instruction week, such socialization becomes nonexistent, leading to even further elevated rates of depression in graduates down the road. The lack of adequate time to socialize also results in those graduates having a hard time with social interaction after they graduate simply due to not having socialized much for four years. This further exacerbates the problem.

      Finally, such

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    10. Re:Hmmm ... by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Informative
      I can't speak to your experience but the homework in my upper level physics courses was crucial to understanding the material. Basically the assumption was if we could do the homework, we could do the exams, which I found was the case for the most part.

      The exams themselves also tended to be modified homework problems; although not exact, they would require the same thought and techniques the homework did.

    11. Re:Hmmm ... by eharvill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are an ass. Please explain why those skills are not useful? I suppose you left school (assuming you went) to take a position as a Sr Douchebag making $100K, right?

      That's an interesting test, especially if you are looking to be a system administrator at some point. That test touches upon all sorts of skill sets and shows at least a base competency is several real world technologies - OSes (Windows/Linux), Networking (multiple levels of OSI), hardware and virtualization. It also shows that someone can be self-reliant (no google), knows how to troubleshoot and can also read a man/help page.

      I couldn't have done something like this when I was in school. Heck, most "IT Professionals" I know today probably couldn't do it either. It amazes me how people get stuck in a niche. Linux admins not knowing anything about Windows and vice-versa. Network guys that don't really understand networking (routing, protocols, etc), but can copy a switch port config like nobodies business.

      Please enlighten us to all great things you did 10 years ago that are relevant today...

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    12. Re:Hmmm ... by fmdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds to me like it was mostly trying to get the students to think on there feet to solve a problem with just the tools at hand. I don't think that the specific technologies were a big part of the teaching here (and rarely is).

  2. It's not cheating! by AnonymousClown · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's being a 'team player'.

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  3. Re:I say let them cheat by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go ahead, let them cheat. They'll be paying for it once they get a job based on their "degree" and suddenly realize they don't know fuckall about what they're doing.

    And the company goes: "Well I'm not hiring anyone from THAT university again".

    The schools do have an incentive to curtail cheating.

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  4. Slippery slope... by TheRedDuke · · Score: 2, Funny

    Before you know it, all student financial records will be audited to make sure they haven't bought anything from Thinkgeek during their academic careers.

  5. Why would Bruce Schneier worry about this? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bruce Schneier already knows Alice AND Bob's secret; all he has to do to detect cheating is eye a test taker until their lies burst into flames. Nothing hides from Bruce Schneier... Nothing.

  6. Re:I say let them cheat by grepya · · Score: 3, Funny

    Go ahead, let them cheat. They'll be paying for it once they get a job based on their "degree" and suddenly realize they don't know fuckall about what they're doing.

    From TFA:
    “Copying homework is a leading indicator of becoming a business major,”

          I leave the punchlines to the public....

  7. Re:I say let them cheat by frizop · · Score: 2, Informative

    As if to say they are usually taught anything they need to know for their job anyway.

  8. Reward them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know what, if a student is capable of developing a pen-camera just to cheat on a test. Let him pass. There is a very good chance by the time he leaves school he'll be creating even better technology. God knows the West needs the innovation.

    1. Re:Reward them by Jeng · · Score: 2, Informative

      They already exist, no need to develop one to cheat with. Any moron could use one.

      http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/techies/c521/

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  9. I guess I'm old fashioned by jfoobaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think of the purpose of education as getting an education. If you don't ever learn the material well enough to pass exams on your own, it's kind of a waste of time.

    And, yeah, I get that people work for grades and the piece of paper at the end of the whole thing, but if you didn't actually learn anything apart from how to cheat well, you missed the whole point. Though you probably stand to have a lucrative career in international finance.

    1. Re:I guess I'm old fashioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone "dumb" is doing better than you, you are most likely not as smart as you think you are.

    2. Re:I guess I'm old fashioned by jridley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. As I say, cheating is just admitting to yourself that you're not good enough to win on your own.

    3. Re:I guess I'm old fashioned by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather hire a dumb hard worker than a lazy genius.

  10. It's actually kind of impressive... by sarkeizen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've worked for educational institutions and in one case I recall them attempting to deploy an anti-cheating countermeasures and got shouted down by students. Also given that many public institutions are compensated by degree completion working against cheating costs the institution not just for the price of technology but in the lost tuition and public funding. To me, this seems like an institution who cares about the quality of their student's education.

  11. Re:Surprising! by djconrad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The more you copy homework, the lower your grades."

    No shit, Sherlock! Does that mean that if I don't think by myself I will not really learn? Wow! Who would guess that!

    Certainly not my undergraduates.

  12. Re:Maybe Find a Better University by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Exactly. My college had an honor system. We'd have take home tests and stuff. If you were caught cheating, you got kicked out of school, plain and simple. They did boot about a dozen people a year, so the cost/benefit of cheating meant you took that D and worked harder the next time.

  13. Re:I say let them cheat by Monchanger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately business majors are usually the ones doing the hiring.

  14. It's better to have students that don't cheat by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At my university, in scenic New Jersey, we had an Honor Code that we had to sign after every exam; saying that I didn't cheat. I felt proud signing that, and believe that most of the other students felt the same.

    If some folks want to cheat, they will find a way: Chewing gum or no chewing gum. With such measures, you will only force the cheaters to be more creative. Try to teach them values so that they will know that it is wrong instead.

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    1. Re:It's better to have students that don't cheat by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At my university, in scenic New Jersey, we had an Honor Code that we had to sign after every exam; saying that I didn't cheat. I felt proud signing that, and believe that most of the other students felt the same.

      I think I would be offended at having to affirm that I am not a cheater. Cheaters, on the other hand, wouldn't care.

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    2. Re:It's better to have students that don't cheat by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they haven't learned values by the time they're in college, they're not going to learn them there. The cheaters were proud that they could lie and swear they didn't cheat; cheaters lie, and liars cheat. Honor codes mean nothing to a person with no honor.

  15. Retarded by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'll never stop people from cheating. They'll catch a few idiots and an equal number of innocent people. They'll raise the tension so much for the average student that they'll have to double their suicide watch programs during finals week. They'll still have a bunch of students who get away with it. Most importantly, they'll be so confident in their success that they'll do what academia does best - pat themselves on the back for wasting money while being completely oblivious to those who are outsmarting them.

    Tests and anti-cheating measures are the lazy way to go about "education". But what do you expect when the most egregious cheaters, plagiarizers, and bullshitters are the professors themselves?

    Write your own lectures.
    Write your own tests and assignments.
    Change them every year.
    Change them if you have multiple testing sessions.
    Don't copy them from the campus where your other professor friend works.
    Don't pull shit out of the book you wrote for the class and made students buy.
    Don't make students buy the book of your cohort^h^h^h^h^h^h colleague on another campus and have him reciprocate the favor, only for both of you to teach to your opinions and not what's in the assigned material.
    Get TAs that speak English.
    Speak English.
    Respond to emails.
    Update your website.
    Post notes and assignments when you say you will.
    Hold more than 1 office hour per week. Understand the material yourself.
    Etc.

    1. Re:Retarded by boristdog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Listen, If you're going to make sense and ask people to do their jobs properly, I'm going to have to ask you to leave /.

      And the Internet in general.

    2. Re:Retarded by evolvearth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tests and anti-cheating measures are the lazy way to go about "education". But what do you expect when the most egregious cheaters, plagiarizers, and bullshitters are the professors themselves?

      Some of this might be fine if all you do is teach, but many professors do research, and for those professor who have yet to obtain tenure, many of these suggestions you've made are unrealistic. Not to mention that none of your examples have anything to do with professors plagiarizing, bullshitting, and cheating. Also, some of your complaints have nothing to do with professors at all.

      Write your own lectures. Write your own tests and assignments. Change them every year. Change them if you have multiple testing sessions.

      Most professors usually write their own lectures. I've only had one professor who recycled lectures from another professor, and he ended getting fired for failing too many students. He also wasn't there to do research, either. I don't see how this is a problem--especially if you're writing your own exams based off the lecture material. Changing exams every year is a lot of work. Writing a fair exam is hard, especially if it's been a long time since you first learned the material. It's doable, and definitely more realistic than writing new exams every semester. Eventually this will slow down, because there is so many ways you can rewrite exams without making similar questions to previous exams or unfair exams. One professor of mine had the students write the exams and gave bonus points to those who wrote questions he felt good to be on an exam. I found those exams more difficult than usual.

      Don't copy them from the campus where your other professor friend works. Don't pull shit out of the book you wrote for the class and made students buy. Don't make students buy the book of your cohort^h^h^h^h^h^h colleague on another campus and have him reciprocate the favor, only for both of you to teach to your opinions and not what's in the assigned material.

      I've never had a problem with buying a textbook my professor wrote. That happened once, and the textbook was cheap as well and did better than equivalents costing over 100 dollars more.

      Get TAs that speak English.

      TAs are just grad students who need funding to survive. Teaching positions are in greater numbers, and there are many grad students who are still struggling with English having just came over to do a graduate degree. Fortunately, TAs rarely teach major lectures. If you're taking a lab, you shouldn't be relying on the TA to teach you the material--only to present it in a way so you know what to expect for a lab or an exam.

      Speak English.

      In the sciences, professors get hired based on their research credentials. Having an amazing teacher doesn't bring in the big bucks, but someone who can bring in amazing grant money, publish in amazing journals, and pass grad students can.

      Respond to emails.

      I agree with this one.

      Update your website.

      Unless you're required to go to a website for some sort of class project or whatever, I don't understand this suggestion.

      Post notes and assignments when you say you will.

      Agreed

      Hold more than 1 office hour per week.

      This is a waste of time if you do active research. Most of my professors I've had were willing to set aside time if you couldn't make it to office hours or if the office hour wasn't enough. More often than not, professors end up sitting in their offices alone during that hour--as some of mine have complained. I'm a TA for a lab, and unless one of their homework assignments requires to make a graph in Excel, I'm usually pretty lonely during my office hours.

      Understand the material yourself

      I haven't had too much

    3. Re:Retarded by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I still remember my highschool physics teacher. He took almost exactly the problems we'd dealt with in class, but added irrelevant data to the problem. If you had memorized the forumlae but didn't understand the concepts, you probably wouldn't do so well. If you understood the material, the irrelevant values and facts stood out.

      That and when he started the exam he pointed out he'd written it himself (doing the answers) with full work in about 2h50, and we had 3h to complete it. Only if you knew the material as well as he did would you get a perfect grade.

      I despise easy grades -- they're meaningless.

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  16. Do they really think it's cheating? by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My brother in law, an economics professor, recently had to grade a paper from the freshman class he was teaching. He found that virtually every paper had the same ideas in the same sequence, and frequently the exact same wording (I.E. cut-and-paste). Even more interesting, and disturbing, he found that by comparing the texts they could be roughly grouped by the race of the student.

    His theory is that the current generation is so used to forwarding, re-tweeting, re-blogging, and re-posting that they literally don't see it as cheating.

    1. Re:Do they really think it's cheating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am an instructor, not a professor. It is not unusual to have 150 students total in my 4 classes every semester. So I should spend 10 minutes with each student after each weekly assignment? That means 25 hours! When would you like me to prepare for class, come up with new assignments, grade quizzes, and grade tests?

    2. Re:Do they really think it's cheating? by tixxit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is cheating though? Copying answers verbatim is cheating, yes. But my friend got caught "cheating" on an assignment. Really, her and her friend did the assignment together (ie. they worked out some of the problems together, rather than copying answers - they shared a dorm after all). Even I had a hard time believing that that was cheating. I've learned a great deal from friends in the same program as I. Similarly, I've learned many things by being the one doing the explaining, since it helps me organize my thoughts better and really think things through.

  17. Re:I say let them cheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Schools also have an ethical responsibility to ensure that graduates actually have the skills/knowledge that the degree implies.

  18. Give it up with the pointless arms race. by areusche · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know why colleges waste time on pointless technology when there are easier and less expensive methods to stop cheating.

    Instead of a 500 person lecture hall bring it down to 30 students. Watch the little bastards during a test. See little Sammy Jean pulling her skirt down in the corner? Move around the room and watch her eyes start darting around as she starts to get nervous. Walk up to her and ask, "Is everything ok?" I bet she'll probably admit to it on the spot.

    Students will go and tell their friends what the questions were on a test, don't make us sign some stupid waiver saying we won't because we will. If it bothers the lecture, professor, or god forbid the do-nothing provost, change some of the questions for each section or just stop whining.

    It's a pointless arms race where the kids are always going to have the one up. Stop wasting the waste of money and have your professors and TAs walk around and watch the students. Realize that making a good effort to stop 95% of cheaters will work and the other 5% will grow up to work for Lehman Brothers, Citi, or become politicians. Needlessly wasting money on anti-cheating or plagiarism tools takes away money from improving services like the shitty food in the dining halls, the rat infested dorms, or having a notable group perform on the weekend prior to finals will make your student population happier and more likely to be donating alumni in the future.

    And finally, In my own not so humble opinion, the risk of getting caught just isn't worth blatantly cheating on a test. Most professors will just fail you for the semester which is more than enough of a punishment. There are the few that will go above and beyond the duty to make your life hell (suspension, expulsion), but failing a course is more than enough of an incentive to keep me from cheating.

    Phew, I needed a good rant today.

  19. Re:I say let them cheat by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Earlier in my career I had great disdain for an aspect of my company's culture that seemed to venerate degreed folk simply because of the degree denying or holding back promotions of clear subject matter experts simply because they did not have the degree usually appropriate for that level. True to form, I was promoted immediately after getting my Masters. Nonetheless, I really did believe most of what we did could be trained "on the fly".

    Then something changed.

    I had the opportunity to mentor someone who hadn't yet finished a Bachelors degree.

    I showered them with documentation, with web-based training, with tutorials and direct training. It didn't help. Others may have done well. This individual couldn't, on their own, complete the most basic assignments and froze instead of using many avenues to overcome problems or misunderstandings.

    It's not a matter of what you learned to get your degree. It's that you learned how to learn. Completing a degree demonstrates your ability to complete a long-term project presumably with all the initiative, time-management and general project planning that entails.

    Cheating your way through short-cuts all of that.

  20. Why not do peer review? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get each class to test and grade each other.

    The theory will be they are best placed to honestly appraise the quality of each others' work, and to catch cheating. The practice will be that slutty chicks, trust fundies, jocks and backstabbing weasels will buy, bully or scam the highest relative grades at the expense of the plain, the poor, the timid and the trusting.

    And that, class, is how you prepare yourself for surviving the next half-century climbing the greasy pole at AnyCorp Inc. You can't teach lessons like that.

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    1. Re:Why not do peer review? by Reziac · · Score: 4, Informative
      Which probably explains this, from TFA:

      "...subsequent analyses turned up an interesting trend: Copying homework is a leading indicator of becoming a business major..."

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  21. Re:Hypocrisy by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you wouldn't agree to it yourself, why would you inflict it upon others?

    Because university degrees granted by the university would become worthless otherwise. A degree claims that you've learned certain things. If a university develops a reputation for effectively rooting out cheaters, then its degrees will be more valuable than those of a university where cheating is perceived to be rampant.

    As to the hypocrisy of the thing, be sure to tell your concerns to your potential employers too, so they don't hire you by accident. You seem to value some skewed illusion of fairness more than whether you get anything of value out of the deal. If I were an employer, I'd have to ask myself, "How will you screw me over to fulfill your idea/illusion of fairness?" Will you steal and sell off my IP because others don't have it yet? Will you steal valuable equipment because it's not fair that you or some needy person you know doesn't have them? Will you slack off because it's not fair that you work harder than someone else? Will you demand more privileges because the senior workers have them?

    Life isn't fair nor can it meet the demands of what we think fairness should be. Do you really believe that fairness, or rather the appearance of fairness, is more important than a good, solid education?

  22. cultural differences by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect there are serious cultural differences regarding cheating. For example: at my university, the Indian comp-sci students all knew each other and held regular "study sessions." I was once invited to one. I was amazed to observe that it was simply a highly-organized cheating exercise. These guys had graded homework assignments and exams from all classes, and they passed them around, casually copying solutions verbatim to their homework assignments and recording exam answers. They begged me for all of my exams and homework assignments from current and previous tests so that they could add them to their collection. And they didn't see anything wrong with this.

    What I found particularly amusing was how amazed they were at my abilities at coming up with solutions when we had non-trivial group projects. "How did you know that would work?" they would ask. I had to try hard to avoid saying "I don't cheat so I have to actually understand the material to pass the classes."

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    1. Re:cultural differences by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had to try hard to avoid saying "I don't cheat so I have to actually understand the material to pass the classes."

      You should have said it. I had a friend who was taking a CS test, and the indian sitting next to her leaned over and said, "do you want to share answers?" She said, "no, I prefer to do it myself so I can learn." The indian looked at her, amazed, and said, "that's so impressive." It was as if the idea of doing that had never occurred to him. So if you had said something, you might have helped to change someone's life.

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  23. Best way to stop cheat sheets... by MadAnalyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I taught, we had a fool proof way to stop illegal cheat sheets. Just let the students bring a cheat sheet. Of course, that made the exams a bit harder. They ended up being less regurgitation and more about comprehension. And proctoring became much easier, fewer things to look for (more time spent scanning for cell phones in use).

    1. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by jr2k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Isn't that what school is about anyways? When I went through Naval Nuclear Power School, you either got the topic or you didn't. Understanding a theory or topic is much more important than memorization. The best students weren't necessarily the best operators.

      When we got to the ship, most everything is just book work, but at least we knew the background of what we were doing. No meltdowns yet.

    2. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by somaTh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Going through college, I had classes like this. The hardest tests were open book, open note, bring your calculator tests. God help you if it was take home.

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    3. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We had open book tests in my engineering courses.

      If you didn't know your stuff, it didn't matter if you had every book on the subject, you didn't have enough time to complete the test.

      Personally I programmed to study. I would write programs for my TI-89 to do everything for the test. However after writing out all the equations by hand, checking it against every possible way they could ask the question, verifying it with 5-6 different problems, checking everything again I had inadvertently memorized the equations.

      It saved my ass a few times when I screwed up a sign early on.

    4. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Going through college, I had classes like this. The hardest tests were open book, open note, bring your calculator tests.

      Indeed, the hardest test I ever took in the Navy was one where I could use any resource I wanted *other* than asking another individual for help or advise. But in the interests of full disclosure, that was a practical exam where they took us into a room and presented us with a completely disassembled (old style/washing machine) hard drive and expected us to put it back together and align and calibrate it. It was pass fail too, either the machine worked or it did not.
       
      But not every topic or even every test within a topic is suitable for that style of testing. Different types of tests test for different things in different ways. Consider the difference between an equation and a word problem on a math test for example.

    5. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by cbhacking · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. I actually thought take-home tests were among the best. Yes, there was potential for cheating, but aside from directly askign another student for the solution, we were *expected* to utilize the toosl we had. Reference books, websites, even (near-exact quote) "this is a tricky operation, so you might want to implement your solution on your circuit board to test it. You can start from the project 3 code if you want".

      The reason I loved this type of "test" is that it is very much how the real world works. The professor knew we had access to tools that would allow us to answer the questions, but also knew that we didn't have the answers to most of them directly (the exact register settings needed to set up the clock in that way hadn't actually been discussed in class, and since he'd written the coding assignment the week before it was unlikely there'd be a solution online...). We had to combine what we'd learned in class about the general principles of an embedded system, plus the tools and references for our specific board, with the ability to use those tools and references (and posibly find more online).

      We had a week to do probably about 4-5 hours of actual work, but only somebody who was already an expert on that system (and on the class material, since some of it was also textbook-type stuff) could have done in in that short a time. Instead, what we were tested on was whether we'd picked up the skills needd to become (enough of) an expert in a week to solve a problem that was essentially another 3-4 hour lab assignment, without the instructions containing a basic framework for solving the problem and a list fo the relevant references that had the details we'd need.

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    6. Re:Best way to stop cheat sheets... by Trifthen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh God, you just reminded me of my Mathematics Analysis class. This professor was a well known evil overlord in the 300-level courses. He usually made the homework so hard, it forced the class to work together to even finish say, 70% of it, after working on it until 2am.

      And the final? Excuse me... finals? Yes, there were two. One of them was take-home, and looked suspiciously minuscule. Two pages. Two pages of questions for a take-home final? Ha! Easy. I'll have it done in a couple hours.

      NO! For the love of God and all that is holy, NO! This is a 300-level Math course, buddy! Each question was a proof. Effectively the test took us through the steps of proving frigging calculus. I think I turned in 26 pages of proofs . . . three days of constant work later.

      It was simply not possible to cheat in that class. That sadistic bastard is still my favorite professor; he even went to my wedding. :)

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  24. Technology to solve a social problem by line-bundle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    will never work.

    Humans are ingenious.

  25. Re:I say let them cheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't have a problem with cheating if the schools actually taught anything anymore. Certainly more than half of what I'm doing now is still reading out of a book and then taking a test on it, something that anyone with reading skills and free time can do. Actually, if they did teach things, it would also make it extremely difficult to cheat, so it would be a self-correcting problem.

  26. The problem for honest students by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I never once cheated when I was at university, and am quite proud of that fact. But I hated the fact that *I* had to suffer with these kinds of heavy-handed anti-cheating measures, even though I never once cheated. Taking a test at university was akin to being dragged in for questioning as a murder suspect. No matter how much you tried to establish your innocence, it always felt like every prof viewed you as a criminal, with something to hide. It really made for an adversarial relationship. And it got worse and worse during my time at university too. By my last year, I felt like my prof's would have been happy to frame me on a bogus cheating charge at the drop of a hat. I was presumed guilty.

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  27. Re:wow by Chemicles · · Score: 2, Informative

    Amen to that. The University of Michigan's College of Engineering has an honor code such that the professors and TAs are not even allowed in the room while the students are taking an exam. It'll show in your work if you cheated your way to a degree, especially in engineering. I'm curious what other universities have such policies.

    And yes, universities do have an incentive to reduce cheating (they don't want other graduates to suffer from guilt by association) but like you said, it's nice not to be treated like a criminal by default.

  28. Re:I say let them cheat by mewyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hell no. Being in a highly competitive degree program at one of the best schools in the nation for it, cheaters not only hurt themselves in the long run, but everyone else in the class. In my analog signals class, there is a large contingent that cheats on the homework and artificially inflates their grades. This class is also heavily curved, and since analog signals are not my strong suit, I ended up getting bit by the cheaters by dragging my letter grade down.

    Cheaters in a university very rarely hurt just themselves.

  29. When I was a T/A by EmagGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I taught a circuits lab class when I was in grad school. I eliminated cheating quite easily. I generated an individual test for each student with the exact same problems but different values for the components. I also randomized the order of the questions and used different color paper to create more confusion. For example, I'd hand out 1/4 of the test each in 4 different colors, with no two adjacent students having the same color - to discourage the thought of cheating in the first place.

    I'll never forget, though, the time that two students in different sections turned in lab writeups with the exact same measurement data - out to 5 decimal places (because that's what the Keithley meters were set to display).

  30. Re:Surprising! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Future career: Outsourcing job manager.

  31. Re:I say let them cheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck sort of citation do you want?

    How about Socrates? He once caught a student cheating. Do you know what he did? He beat the student's scrotum with a piece of wood, then expelled the student.

    What about Sir Francis Bacon, while he was a professor at Oxford? There are stories of him catching a group of students cheating. Do you know what he did? He told the king, and the king had the students hanged.

    What about Dr. Oppenheimer? When he caught students cheating, he wept.

    Clearly, cheating is as unacceptable as it gets in academia. It's not tolerated, because it harms the very soul of what makes academia so important and valuable.

  32. I've noticed something related to that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have a lot of foreign grad students, Indian and Chinese in particular. Well something I notice especially with the Chinese students but the Indian ones to an extent as well is the idea that all knowledge is something that someone already has. If you do not know the answer to a problem, the correct course of action is to seek out the person or book that does. Everything is already known, you just have to find who knows it. The idea of problem solving is one they don't grasp.

    So their computer will break (that's what we do, we are the systems and network support) and they'll come and ask us about it. They get vexed when we say "I don't know what is wrong," they often look at you like you are an idiot, and why don't you go find the person who does?

    I remember one time when a lab lost network connection so I was heading down there and he says "Why is the network down?" I said "I'm not sure," that got me a very quizzical look. So we got there and I said "Where's the switch, let's reboot that first," he said "Will that fix the problem?" I said "I don't know." He didn't seem to want to do it, since why bother if it wouldn't fix the problem? I found the switch, rebooted it, and the problem was solved. This was a totally mysterious process to the guy. How the hell could someone who didn't know what the problem was solve it without asking someone who did?

    There does seem to be a cultural difference with this, and I think it comes down to the education system. My mom went to teach English in China for about half a year (she used to be a teacher in the US) and said that their version of teaching English was route memorization. Students were presented with a couple hundred phrases per night they were expected to memorize. That was it. Needless to say, that works for shit. The Chinese government realizes it doesn't work very well, which is why they bring in US English teachers, but it is fighting against a cultural attitude of eduction through memorization. Mom said the teachers were very skeptical of her methods (which did not include memorization).

    1. Re:I've noticed something related to that by Subm · · Score: 3, Funny

      their version of teaching English was route memorization

      Naturally they have to memorize routes because China could block Google maps at any time.

  33. Re:I say let them cheat by mhajicek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had the opportunity to mentor someone who hadn't yet finished a Bachelors degree.

    That's a rather small sample size with which to shift your paradigm.

  34. Re:I say let them cheat by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You hire them as techs and are flexible enough with your promotion system so that they can be rewarded if they show a high aptitude.

    (In practice very few companies actually do this)

  35. My favorite cheating story.. by SoTerrified · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was actually an English class. (Yes, I'm an engineer, but I love to read, and I wanted to be a better communicator, so it seemed like a good elective.)

    We have a major essay on "The Scarlet Letter". After we hand it in, the prof announces that she did her masters degree on the book. She says she has read everything ever written on the book. And she mentions that she has detected plagiarism. She says "If the cheaters drop this class immediately, I will not pursue charges. Otherwise, expect this to be brought up with the University." Now, I hadn't even looked at other texts. Everything I had written was straight out of my head. I don't cheat normally, but in this case, I knew I couldn't even accidentally cheat.

    Next class I show up... 66% had dropped the class. We literally had one third of the students still in the class. It really opened my eyes with regards to how common cheating is.

    Oh, and for the record, for those who know the book, my essay had argued that colour vs. black/white was what defined what was acceptable in Hester's world. And thus the 'Black man' was not an outsider, but instead a necessary part. (Kinda along the lines of "There would be no God without Satan, so Satan is actually a positive Christian force, a good guy.") I still remember the response which was "This is entirely original... And wrong. But you did a wonderful job trying to make it work." and I received an A on the paper. So the incident also gave me insight into profs that have seen it all... If you can bring them something original, even if it's wrong, they're just happy to see someone breaking new ground, so they'll give you marks for trying.

  36. Schools as filters vs. dumbing down by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Babies are born knowing how to learn; people only need to relearn that if it has been stomped out of them, as is done through most conventional compulsory schooling. This is not to disgree that college can also be an effective filter for businesses to use to obtain compliant workers who know certain basic skills and who also are unlikely to seriously challenge authority. Related links:
        http://ilabs.washington.edu/news/scientist_in_the_crib.html
        http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
        http://www.educationrevolution.org/
        http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm
        http://www.the-open-boat.com/Gatto.html
        http://www.holtgws.com/whatisunschoolin.html

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  37. Re:I say let them cheat by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, lemme introduce you to something. It's called a "period." It's a punctuation mark to separate thoughts expressed in text. You might want to learn a bit more about it on your own, since your own time in academia seemed to fail you so thoroughly.

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  38. Re:I say let them cheat by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, unless you're dead-set on working for a giant corporation, it's not that hard to find companies in any field that don't have a massive management system and an HR department. There are lots of small businesses where the handful of people who actually run the company are also the people who do most of the work.

    It's not a big secret that large companies tend to develop big bureaucracies. If you go get a job at one of those companies, you shouldn't be surprised that you end up in the middle of that mess. If you don't want to deal with that, then go work for somewhere smaller.

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  39. Re:I say let them cheat by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If that's true then the piece of paper they get saying they have a degree (read qualification) isn't worth a damn. Now let's apply your logic to all sorts of common situations:

    - Do you want a doctor operating on you who cheated his way through medschool and can't tell the difference between your appendix and your spleen?
    - Do you want an engineer who can't do basic structural analysis building the bridge you are going to be driving over?

    Actually lets move away from degrees and just look at plain qualifications:
    - The electrician who isn't qualified wires your house arse-about and you get electrocuted?
    - Or what about the person who is performing CPR on your pregnant wife and just rolled her onto her right hand side in the recovery position. They qualified by cheating off someone who knew that pregnant women should NEVER be rolled on their right hand side, and now they are both dead because of it.


    My degree has on it the words "[name] having fulfilled the conditions prescribed by the University is, on this day, conferred with the degree of [degree]". This is a promise of the institution that the person holding this piece of paper is competent enough to hold the degree. My first aid certificate says something similar that I have fulfilled the requirements and that I have shown to be competent to hold the title of senior first aider.

    So yes it is the university's problem ethically. If the student is wasting their time and money and cheating they should not be conferred with the degree. Yeah they are there to provide a learning environment in the exchange for cash, but they also need to police what they are guaranteeing when they are giving people degrees. Otherwise the piece of paper isn't worth any more than the degrees you can buy online from the Cayman Islands, and this ethical responsibility is what should be setting our excellent worldwide institutions apart from the frauds.