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The Verizon Wireless HTC Eris 'Silent Call Bug'

Hall writes "In the last few months some users of Verizon Wireless HTC Eris phone models have encountered what's being called the 'silent call bug' with their phones. What has happened since the update to Android 2.1 is that some phones get dead silence (can't hear the person they call nor can the other end hear you). The only solution is to reboot the phone, though the problem will re-appear after some time. VZW tech support for a while was simply swapping out Eris phones in hopes that the replacement didn't have the same issue. Too many were, though, and now some users have been told they're not swapping anymore. A couple of days ago, a user witnessed a car accident and was unable to call 911. Well, at least not until after rebooting the phone."

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  1. A movie comes to mind. by sethstorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    What good is a phonecall if you cannot speak?

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    1. Re:A movie comes to mind. by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're completely mistaken. Cell phones got GPS well after consumer units had appeared, because there were no small GPS chips that would easily be powered by a cell phone battery until relatively recently.

      The reason they could find your location before GPS was a thing called triangulation. They could (and still can on phones without GPS) check your signal strength to various towers to figure out where you are because they know the geographic location of all the towers.

    2. Re:A movie comes to mind. by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on the 911 system used. Some small departments don't have the money to upgrade their equipment. Really rural counties out west are simply using telephones with recorders attached.

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    3. Re:A movie comes to mind. by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could have really freaked her out with:

      "Collect call from OhGodNoHelpAhItHurtsLordHelpMeMakeItStopHuffHuffHuffUnnngh"

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    4. Re:A movie comes to mind. by Tintivilus · · Score: 4, Informative

      The reason they could find your location before GPS was a thing called triangulation. They could (and still can on phones without GPS) check your signal strength to various towers to figure out where you are because they know the geographic location of all the towers.

      Your description is correct, but that's not triangulation, it's trilateration. From signal strength one can derive a distance but not a direction. The technique is drawing circles of to see where they meet, rather than drawing lines to see where they cross.

  2. Hail Eris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Calling a phone Eris is sort of asking for it..

    1. Re:Hail Eris by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Calling a phone Eris is sort of asking for it..

      Yeah ... kinda like naming a space telescope after someone whose name rhymes with "trouble".

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    2. Re:Hail Eris by AndrewNeo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Prepare for trouble! And make it Hubble!

    3. Re:Hail Eris by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wikipedia:

      Eris (Greek , "Strife") is the Greek goddess of strife, her name being translated into Latin as Discordia. Her Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin counterpart is Concordia. Homer[*] equated her with the war-goddess Enyo

      [*] Homer the ancient greek poet, not Homer Simpson

  3. ha by papasui · · Score: 3, Funny

    Steve Jobs is a moron for making such a shitty phone! Oh wait...

  4. payback by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I recall many were saying that the problem with iPhone was that it was too hard to use as a phone. Well, at least, if you went through all the hoops, the iPhone actually works. The biggest issue is dropped calls, in which case you just call the person back.

    A reboot indicates something like a memory leak. Hardware problems would not be reliably fixed. This is certainly some brain dead software error, a case of development focusing on the bells and whistle, and not core functionality. Everyone is so wrapped up in the tethering and Apps, that they forgot they were building a phone.

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    1. Re:payback by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When all the 39 different Android phone models are having the same issue, then may be you'd have a point, but the thing is the Droid Eris is only one phone, and a low end one at that (low resolution, low 5 MP camera, no 4G, slow CPU from an older architecture, no physical keyboard, very cheap price).

      Gloating about the problems of the Droid Eris would be like an Apple-hater gloating about the fact that the iPod Shuffle is a piece of crap. That very well may be true, but it's not very relevant to the users that only buy the higher end flagship devices for themselves (and would only give the cheaper iPod Shuffles to their six year old kids anyway).

  5. Re:Phones which can not make phone calls by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even crappy phones still have an OS. I've had call issues with many different phones, not just smart phones. And many times the issues were solved with... you guessed it, rebooting the phone. Sometimes I even had to remove the battery.

  6. Obvious... by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    You're dialing it wrong.

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  7. Re:We've come a long way by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember back when you had to find a land line to call for help?

    Now we're up in arms because a wireless device is not 100% reliable and it became very clear in an emergency situation.

    ... and those hard-wired phones would have been just as useless in this case - a car accident.

    ... and good luck calling 911 from outside your house to report that your house is on fire.

    Better to have something that works 99.999% of the time pretty much everywhere, than 99.999999% of the time in only one scenario.

  8. Done this for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heck, I have been rebooting my Windows Mobile phones for years to make calls. The competitors are only now catching up?

  9. Re:We've come a long way by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Flawless, no. But it's a reasonable expectation that your phone should have a failure rate comparable to other phones on the market. It's also reasonable that if a problem exists that puts the failure rate of your device well outside industry norms (think xbox360) the device will be repaired or fixed both for free and in a reasonable timeframe.

    In canada for example we have laws that require cell phones, even ones not attached to a plan, and with no carrier, can connect to 911. It's a nightmare for 911 if they call and cannot give a location, but if I buy a cellphone in canada I can expect that it will connect to 911. I don't know if we have rules about downtime, dropped calls or silent calls, but I'm sure there are large tomes of requirements that all the companies have to comply to for all sorts of stuff. I can expect that those will be followed, or the CRTC/FCC will send in the lawyers.

    Cars get recalled for defects/repairs, so do drinking glasses from MacDonalds and children's toys, my cell phone falls somewhere between those points on a spectrum of cost and utility, and yes, your life can depend on it, just because we 'got by' with landline phones doesn't mean they didn't cost lives, there just wasn't anything you could do about it.

    I took my battle.net authenticator off my iPhone and got a physical one precisely because as you say, smartphones fail a lot, I've had to reinstall the OS 3 or 4 times so far (iPhone 3g) and it spent 14 hours updating to iOS4. Not exactly my idea of a reliable device. But my GF has a nokia dumbphone, which has never had an OS update, and never needed a reboot, so maybe since my phone cost 10x as much as hers, (+ data plan) I can expect better reliability, and won't be looking to apple to replace my smartphone. People don't buy a Lexus rather than a regular old toyota for the fun of it, premium markets (which I count smart phones as part of) do still have problems, but you're paying for more functionality, not less, and a phone that can't make calls is by definition less functional.

  10. You Think That's Bad... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...what about an Eris owner trying to call a left-handed iPhone 4 owning friend who just happens to be holding his iPhone 4 by the wrong corner at that particular moment - they have *NO* hope of talking to each other.

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  11. Re:We've come a long way by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember back when you had to find a land line to call for help?

    Now we're up in arms because a wireless device is not 100% reliable and it became very clear in an emergency situation.

    Does the public really expect their cell phones to flawlessly or have I been using smartphones so long that I just accept wireless devices suck still?

    We expect phones to work for their intended purpose.

    Being able to make a call and then not hear anything isn't acceptable. Occasionally you can't call due to reception problems, everybody understands that. But being able to complete a call and not hear is clearly a warranty issue.

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  12. Re:We've come a long way by bonch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, yeah. If you pay for a cell phone, you have a reasonable expectation that it's going to work. Your argument is like saying we shouldn't care about leaks in the roofs of our houses because our ancestors used to live outside.

  13. Nexus One by nrgy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had this very same problem with my Nexus One. Even worse rebooting did not always solve the issue.

    I bought my Nexus at launch and while I was happy with it at first, the past few months it just started acting crazy. Icons on the desktop would open a different application, the issue from the article, the keyboard opening when a phone call was coming in "you couldnt slide to answer because it was ontop".

    After all that and more, once the lock button on my Nexus started to give out I just went back to my iPhone.

  14. Re:Phones which can not make phone calls by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really because when was the last time you upgraded your firmware on it? In general "dumb" phones are pretty disposable, if there is a bug like this on a "dumb" phone (and, there are) the chances of getting it fixed are zero. With a smartphone, chances are there will be an update within the next month that corrects the issue.

    Any issue in a "dumb" phone never gets fixed, issues in smartphones might though.

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  15. Can you hear me now? by masmullin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you hear me now?
    ...
    ....
    *bzzzzzzzz*

  16. Re:We've come a long way by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think part of the problem is too many people view phones as toys first and phones second. People get extremely bitchy if they can't have games and cameras and all that other shit on their phones. The market for "Just a phone" phones has nearly completely disappeared, nobody wants to buy them even if they cost less.

    Way too many people I encounter buy phones based on their shiny features, and never consider call quality. Ex-roommate of mine was completely unintelligible on his phone. The thing had a totally crap microphone and looking online, that was a common problem with the phone. He just texted all the time. My though it "Why the fuck would you get it?"

    Personally I've become a real fan of my Curve 8330 because of this. It is a smart phone, but the phone features seem to work no matter what and are not interfered with by anything else. Had good call quality and a decent antenna too (as well as being nice and cheap). Not the shiniest toy around, I don't have an ultra high rez touch screen, but I can pick up the phone and make a damn call when I want to.

    I'm certainly not opposed to smart phones, obviously I have one, but I think consumers need to spend a little more time looking at the phone side of things and less time worrying about the shiny. If consumers start caring more about the phone, so will the manufacturers.

  17. Rebooting your phone? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 3, Funny

    At the ripe old age of 24, even I find this ridiculous. If cell phone programmers designed commercial autopilots, no one in their right mind would fly. If they designed ECU software for Toyotas, oh wait.

  18. Re:We've come a long way by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would expect my cell phone to work flawless for it's main function, making phone calls, provided there's no hardware defect, it has power, a working tower is in reach, and the network is not overloaded. I accept that non-core functionality may fail. I won't accept if the one defining functionality, which is making phone calls, doesn't work due to design or implementation defects. That's a proven technology, it's no rocket science, and it should be tested like hell.

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  19. Re:Sucks to be poor by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know what you mean. When I was a kid my family relocated several times... but I always found them...

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