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Germany To Test Actively-Cooled Spacecraft

FleaPlus writes "The German Aerospace Center is planning to launch a novel reusable spacecraft in 2011, incorporating flat, damage-resistant tiles. Nitrogen will be pumped through the porous tiles, creating a protective gas layer that actively cools and shields the hottest parts of the spacecraft from the searing heat of reentry. The €12.5M unmanned 'SHEFEX II' project is a major technological step toward the team's eventual goal of a reusable space glider, which will be cheaper and easier to build than NASA's space shuttle."

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  1. I would hope so by SigNuZX728 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...will be cheaper and easier-to-build than NASA's space shuttle." I would hope they could build something cheaper and easier than the 30-plus-year-old shuttle.

  2. German technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember, German technology put the first man on the moon.

    1. Re:German technology by headkase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may be flamebait, yes, BUT there is a measure of truth in that post.

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    2. Re:German technology by aquila.solo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's plenty of truth in that post.
      The reason the Soviets beat us to space is that their German scientists were better than our German scientists.~

    3. Re:German technology by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not entirely true; it's more of a US excuse during the space race. The US was very successful with Operation Paperclip, which was an attempt to make sure that the US, not the USSR, got most of the German rocket scientists (as well as several whole V2 rockets). The Soviets got a few German rocket scientists (most notably, Helmut Gröttrup, Wernher von Braun's assistant), but not many. Most of the people they got were low level people, mainly on the assembly lines. They were primarily interrogated for information and little used beyond that point. After 1951, not even Gröttrup was allowed to assist in their rocket program any more, and he was returned to Germany in 1953 -- back when von Braun was just starting to become a big rocketry name in the US, and well before his tenure as NASA's first director (1960-1970).

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    4. Re:German technology by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember, German technology put the first man on the moon.

      Ven the rockets are up, who cares vere they down?
      "That's not my department", says Wernher von Braun

      "In German oder English I know how to count down,
      Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun

    5. Re:German technology by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a nice bon mot about this: "The Soviets got the Germans who knew how it worked, the US the Germans who knew why it worked."

      This sums it up surprisingly well, and also explains (while of course ignoring lots of other relevant stuff) why the Soviets
      made it up there quite fast, but after this failed to make significant progress for quite a while.

    6. Re:German technology by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not at all. All but the first couple post-WWII Soviet rockets were *very* different from the V2. The R1 was basically a V2 replica, but the R7 was based on Korolyov's pre-war designs.

      We always seem to be looking for ways to downplay the Soviet achievements in space in the 1950s and early 1960s. Why is that? Is it too much to accept that there were some *really damned good Soviet rocket scientists* over there? Had they not been majorly underfunded compared to the US in the moon race, and had they not made a couple of key design blunders with the N1, they likely would have beaten us in that, too. The loss of Korolyov in the middle of the project didn't help, either.

      The reality is that it was the *US* that was heavily reliant on German rocket scientists and German technology, to a much greater extent than the Soviets. We shipped over three hundred freaking train loads of V2 parts back to bootstrap our space program. We took almost all of their top scientists (most Germans were scared of the Soviets, and the US offered big incentives).

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  3. why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Rocket_Sci · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no need for glider-based spacecraft. Wings are useless in space. "man-rated" launch vehicles cost something like $10k per pound to go to orbit. The extra pounds for wings are a massive waste of money and resources.

    The original design--The Capsule--was the right idea! Why not build a re-usable capsule?

    1. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Funny

      Re-entry heat shields are useless in space too, just as landing gear are useless for flying!

      :-)

      I think you want them for the same reason that we don't all parachute to our destination when our plane gets there. Although I can't say I haven't been tempted.

    2. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Somegeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Capsules are great if you don't mind landing in an ocean or a desert; someplace big and empty.

      However, if you would like the efficiencies created by being able to land your spacecraft someplace specific and useful near a population center, like a spaceport or airport, than wings are just the ticket.

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    3. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The original design--The Capsule--was the right idea! Why not build a re-usable capsule?

      You're assuming that all spacecraft have the same mission requirements. The Space Shuttle was originally intended, IIRC, to be able to take things to orbit, and OPTIONALLY RETURN THINGS FROM ORBIT. A space capsule will only be able to return humans and -very small items-. No going to orbit, picking up a broken or obsolete satellite or space telescope, bringing it back for fixes or refurbishment, and returning it to orbit on another flight. If all you're doing is sending stuff up, and then returning only people, then yeah, a capsule can do that job; but that's not the only job that needs doing.

    4. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's mostly a false dichotomy

      1. Lifting reentry of a capsule flying at a high angle of attack.

      2. In the terminal stage, use parafoil like those tests (did you know that NASA was instrumental in popularising the concept of hang glider, etc.?)

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    5. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, if you take a look at their basic development strategy (near the bottom of the page), it looks like there's a few different directions they're interested in potentially taking this: a suborbital microgravity platform, a suborbital point-to-point transportation, and orbital transportation. In the case of microgravity research you want to be able to launch often, so returning to a landing strip makes that easier and more economical. Same for point-to-point transportation: if you're delivering cargo or people on a hypersonic delivery craft, you don't want to have to spend time to recover it from the ocean. Finally, for orbital transportation there's convincing arguments both ways, although one benefit of a glider-based reentry is that it tends to have lower G values.

    6. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed -- look at the history of capsules -- the sinking of Mercury 4, the Voskhod 2 crew's night surrounded by wolves, Soyuz 18a's high-G roll that nearly sent it tumbling off a 500' cliff, etc.

      I think the best example is Soyuz 23: a mistargetted landing led to the capsule landing on a frozen lake and crashing through the ice. No problem as it was designed to float, right? Well, the parachute got wet and, weighed down, dragged the capsule upside down. The vent tube -- open, as per standard practice -- now began to fill the craft with ice-cold water. The cosmonauts luckily stopped it up before it sent the craft to the bottom. So there they waited, half submerged, upside down in a frozen lake, with no air, in -22C weather. They had to cut way their space suits and get into clothes so as not to freeze; it took an hour and a half. They relied on regenerated air, and did everything possible to conserve power -- they'd leave the system off until they nearly blacked out from the CO2, then turned it on just long enough to clear up. Nonetheless, they still ran out of power. Helicopters couldn't land in the blowing mist, and rescue attempts failed until they ultimately got a hook on the parachute and dragged the craft half a dozen kilometers across the frozen landscape before they could be rescued.

      Being able to control where you land is a very good thing. ;)

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    7. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by peragrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is one thing I wish they would save a shuttle for.

      NASA as a publicity fund raising stunt should save one shuttle's worth of parts and go retrieve the Hubbell Space telescope instead of crashing it into the ocean. Have the shuttle land and the load it directly for a flight to DC. Giving the whole pile (shuttle with Hubbell inside) to the Smithsonian.

      Now that would be an awesome display. Heck I would donate money to help make that happen. To bad NASA doesn't think like awesome anymore.

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    8. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, if you would like the efficiencies created by being able to land your spacecraft someplace specific and useful near a population center, like a spaceport or airport, than wings are just the ticket.

      Not just that. Capsules don't scale well. Building a heat shield that burns up on reentry is fine if you're flying once in a while with three or four people. It doesn't work well for a space plane to carry a hundred people on a daily basis. In the long run, we need something that's truly reusable.

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    9. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They havent made a movie on this yet?
      Hmmm, who would want to see thrillers based on the Russians!

    10. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no need for glider-based spacecraft. Wings are useless in space. "man-rated" launch vehicles cost something like $10k per pound to go to orbit. The extra pounds for wings are a massive waste of money and resources.

      I suspect this has to do with the idea that anything except Single Stage To Orbit And Back is not a "real" spacecraft. And that requires controlled landing, which requires either power to slow descend or wings to glid with.

      Basically, the designers remember those old (and new) sci-fi shows that have spacecraft that can land, take off, land again, take off again... with just some refueling somewhere along the line. And they are right: being able to do that would dramatically lessen the cost of space travel. Unfortunately, the limits of chemical power very likely make this impossible for anything short of a Nuclear Lightbulb design. And of course a Nuclear Lightbulb doesn't need wings, since it can do a powered landing with engines alone.

      So, until we get rid of this childish fear of "nukular! wahh!", and actually build the NL SSTOAB rocket, expect to see lots more of such designs.

      The original design--The Capsule--was the right idea! Why not build a re-usable capsule?

      The Capsule is basically a reinforced airtight room with some heat protection at the bottom. It doesn't make sense to make that re-usable, especially since making it disposable allows you to use ablative heat protection, which is pretty much idiot-proof.

      BTW. There sure has been a lot of space stories lately. I guess things are really starting to get moving again.

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    11. Re:why the obession with glider spacecraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hubble can not be returned with any of the remaining space shuttles - they all have an airlock to dock to ISS permanently mounted in the payload bay. The last shuttle that would have had enough room to transport Hubble would have been Columbia.

  4. Gary Hudson by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw Gary Hudson present a similar proposal at a members-only conference some years before Rotary Rocket.

  5. Re:Nitrogen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, I'm sure that is one of the reasons people are so concerned about global warming.

  6. Liquid nitrogen? by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, and if there's even a slight problem with the coolant system -- the liquid turns to gas, expands 1,500x its original size... and is surrounded by ceramic, metal, plasma, and several thousand degree temperatures at a critical point on the airframe.

    What could possibly go wrong?

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    1. Re:Liquid nitrogen? by sub67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and if there's even a slight problem with the coolant system -- the liquid turns to gas, expands 1,500x its original size... and is surrounded by ceramic, metal, plasma, and several thousand degree temperatures at a critical point on the airframe.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Which would be why this is unmanned testing.

    2. Re:Liquid nitrogen? by tsotha · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's pretty normal for rocket engines to be regeneratively cooled with explosive fuel. This kind of approach has its flaws, but you haven't identified one of them. For a space ship during reentry every point on the airframe is critical.

    3. Re:Liquid nitrogen? by drayath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However this is not a liquid cooling system of the tiles. The (liquid) gas is pumped through the tiles to the leading edge where it is expected to evaporate. So worst case should be no cooling from the gas or the gas layer as a protective layer between the tiles and the incoming atmosphere.

      If designed properly if everything works it is re-useable, and if there is a failure you would hope a production model would be designed to that the tiles would survive a single use even without any gas flow.

    4. Re:Liquid nitrogen? by wagnerrp · · Score: 2, Informative

      If such cooling systems were prone to failure, we would have airliners regularly falling out of the sky. Jet engines use this same exact technique to protect their combustors and turbines. Were the film to fail, you would have maybe 30 seconds before that whole section of the engine completely melted away.

  7. Re:Nitrogen? by aquila.solo · · Score: 5, Informative

    In short, no.

    Nitroglycerin is formed by mixing nitric acid and sulfuric acid (both highly concentrated, purified forms).

    Atmospheric nitrogen, on the other hand is remarkably stable. At very high temperatures, (such as you might find at the leading edges of a reentry vehicle) nitrogen can be oxidized to to various forms of NOx. These can form acids in solution, but not in concentrations high enough to worry about.

    And when you consider that there is plenty of naturally-available nitrogen in the atmosphere, this small addition probably isn't enough to worry about.

  8. I've thought of that myself by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've thought of active cooling myself. I always wondered, if you used an active cooling system, where would you radiate the heat? In other words, you can carry heat away from the underside of the ship by pumping a fluid through the tiles or whatever, but then you still have to re-radiate that heat someplace. OK, you might be able to transform some of the heat into useful work too; but we're talking about a lot of heat, and even if you got right to the Carnot efficiency the waste still has to go someplace.

    I never got as far as doing the "back of the envelope" calculations on some substance with a heat capacity to absorb re-entry heat (and light enough to carry onboard) or the more tricky calculation of how you would conduct the heat from the underside and radiate it topside. I kind of assumed that actual aerospace engineers had done the calcs, and decided it just wouldn't work.

    Weight kills in space, so I'd be curious to know how much the system weighs vs tiles or Russian-style ablative coatings. I'm assuming the Russians still use ablatives. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

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    1. Re:I've thought of that myself by aquila.solo · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...but then you still have to re-radiate that heat someplace.

      The way I read TFA is that the N2 coolant is consumable. Rather than circulating it to a heatsink, they just expel it through pores in the surface, allowing the gas to buffer the compressed air during reentry. It brings cooling back into a convective mode.

      Sure you have to refill the tanks prior to the next launch, but liquid nitrogen is (relatively) cheap.

    2. Re:I've thought of that myself by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're thinking about this completely the wrong way. This is not actually cooling at all. They are injecting cold gas into the flow, against a positive pressure gradient. The pressure keeps the flow pressed against the surface of the craft, producing a protective film. The film prevents the craft from ever heating up in the first place. While this is a novel use of the technology, the technology itself is nothing new. It has been used for decades in rocket nozzles and gas turbines to protect the hot sections, and is a well understood and researched technique.

  9. Think of it as ablative cooling by outgassing by SixAndFiftyThree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've just looked up the latent heat of vaporization of nitrogen and it's 200 kJ/kg [wikipedia]; its specific heat as a gas is around 1.1 kJ/kg/K, so to boil it and heat it to 1000K takes roughly 1.2 MJ/kg. The kinetic energy of an orbiting spacecraft is roughly 30 Mj/kg and even a spacecraft in a vertical trajectory that reaches 200 km has an energy of roughly 2 MJ/kg. So unless the spacecraft consists almost entirely of nitrogen tank, most of the heat of re-entry will have to go elsewhere. I propose that a better way to think about this cooling scheme is that the nitrogen is being ablated as a way to protect the ceramic tiles.

    Does this mean it's a bad idea? Noooo! Replacing the ablated nitrogen is as simply as putting a hose in the tank after the craft lands, while inspecting and replacing ablated ceramic is one of the reasons why the Shuttle takes months to turn around (true fact: the most Shuttle missions NASA ever flew in one year was 10, in a year when they had four birds to fly, i.e. 48 bird-months, or 4.8 months per flight). Also, it seems likely that you can adjust the flow of nitrogen to get the temperature you want (within limits) instead of having to design tiles that can take whatever temperature Nature hands you. I wish these guys the best of German luck.

    1. Re:Think of it as ablative cooling by outgassing by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're thinking about all wrong. Yes, the nitrogen is basically an ablative, but you missed a key aspect of reentry: radiative heat loss. Surfaces radiate heat proportional to their temperature to the fourth power. The hotter you can run them without them melting, the faster they radiate. The key point of a coolant isn't to keep the surface *cool*, but to keep it *cool enough* that it can radiate in peace without failing. You can't omit the radiative heat loss.

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  10. Re:Weight by tsotha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with the shuttle program was really all the things that had to be done between flights. It was originally supposed to have a two week turnaround, something that turned out to be a pipe dream because of all the things that needed to be inspected and refurbished. If the Germans can make a ship that needs less inspection and maintenance, they can fly it more often. That will bring down the $/kg-to-orbit cost, which I think ought to be the goal of any serious space program at this point.

  11. Re:Thank God it's unmanned by wagnerrp · · Score: 4, Informative

    This technique doesn't cool anything, it prevents the tile from ever heating up in the first place. It has been in use for decades in gas turbines and rocket nozzles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_blade#Cooling

  12. Re:Thank God it's unmanned by dwywit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh, perhaps they'll start before the tiles get that hot? i.e. before it even starts to heat up, so that it never gets that hot?

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  13. Re:Thank God it's unmanned by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am glad we have you to make these observations, I am sure the scientist and engineers working on this project have not thought about such issues. I urge you to email them right away with your insight into their project.

  14. Re:Hot plasma? by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the hot air around the returning vehicle a plasma? If it is, can you repel it with proper use of electromagnetism?

    Jon Goff, an aerospace engineer whose blog you should probably read in general because it's awesome and chock full of great aerospace analysis/ideas, had a rather intriguing discussion a few months ago about doing pretty much what you describe, applying magnetohydrodynamics to the problem of thermal protection during atmospheric reentry:

    http://selenianboondocks.com/category/mhd-aerobraking-and-tps/

    (Jon Goff's an engineer with Masten Space Systems, the company that won the most recent Lunar Lander Challenge)

  15. Unless you can land it on a runway who cares? by trout007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not that this isn't a great tech demonstrator but why build a capsule that has a reusable heat shield? So you go through all of this trouble to build a beautiful reusable heat shield than slam it into an ocean or desert? Seems like you will be picking salt and sand out of it for a long time. I've seen many Space Shuttle Landing in person and we are going to miss the ability to land a couple of miles away from the hangar.

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    1. Re:Unless you can land it on a runway who cares? by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that this isn't a great tech demonstrator but why build a capsule that has a reusable heat shield? So you go through all of this trouble to build a beautiful reusable heat shield than slam it into an ocean or desert?

      There's a few possibilities. One is to use retrorockets, which are fired immediately before hitting the ground to give it a gentler landing. Another possibility that Boeing's seriously considering for their crew capsule is mid-air recovery (like that used on a number of unmannned return missions), where the capsule is caught by a helicopter as it's parachuting downwards, and can then be gently returned to a landing pad.