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US Deploys 'Heat-Ray' In Afghanistan

Koreantoast writes "The United States military has deployed Raytheon's newly developed Active Denial System (ADS), a millimeter-wave, 'non-lethal' heat-ray, to Afghanistan. The weapon generates a 'burning sensation' that is supposedly harmless, with the military claiming that the chance of injury is at less than 0.1%; numerous volunteers including reporters over the last several years have experienced its effects during various trials and demonstrations. While US military spokesperson Lt. Col. John Dorrian states that the weapon has not yet been operationally used, the tense situation in theater will ensure its usage soon enough. Proponents of ADS believe the system may help limit civilian deaths in counterinsurgency operations and provide new, safer ways to disperse crowds and control riots, but opponents fear that the system's long-term effects are not fully known and that the device may even be used for torture. Regardless, if ADS is successful in the field, we'll probably see this mobile microwave at your next local protest or riot."

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  1. Yes, but... by Morphine007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... is the defrost setting any good?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does it go "ding" when the crowd is dispersed?

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  2. You can protect yourself from the ADS by stalkedlongtime · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:You can protect yourself from the ADS by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a missing ingredient in that recipe: a grain of salt. For instance, it says there that this "protects against most RF and EMF based attacks, including: ... Dielectric heating which causes cataracts". WTF? How can it protect your eyes, unless you wrap your head with the treated cloth?

      Protection against unwanted electromagnetic fields is a technology called electromagnetic compatibility. Unless you know what you are doing and use complex test equipment, results may not be what you expect.

    2. Re:You can protect yourself from the ADS by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      really it was his fault that I fucked him to death with a knife.
      His body wanted him to run away faster but he didn't.

      So it was his fault!

  3. What? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    That miserable desert wasn't hot enough that they had to throw in a 'heat ray'?

    1. Re:What? by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My years of playing AD&D taught me that most desert dwellers often have fire immunity, and that extends to side effects of fire and heat related effects, so I'm not sure this ray will be very effective over there.

    2. Re:What? by rhiorg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I cast millimeter-wave at the darkness.

  4. I'm a bit concerned... by cybereal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm a bit concerned about how this might interact with my tinfoil hat... and cod piece!

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    1. Re:I'm a bit concerned... by Marcika · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tin foil hats will have to be outlawed, like bulletproof vests.

      Only criminals need tinfoil hats. You ain't no CRIMINAL, is you?

      You might mean it as a joke, but the Germans are a step ahead of you here -- anything that can serve to protect you against police violence in a protest has already been outlawed for the last twenty years as a "protective weapon" (the law is 17a of the Versammlungsgesetz).

      They have outlawed padded clothing that protects against beatings, mouthguards that protect against police knocking your teeth out, masks that protect against teargas and ballistic vests that make it harder to maim you from a distance. Outlawing tin foil hats is the logical next step.

  5. Very troubling by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been known for over fifty years that microwaves, at just a few milliwatts per square centimeter, cause cataracts. That's why there are rather tight limits on microwave exposure around radar and telecom equipment.

    Spraying microwaves around and possibly inducing mass blindness is not going to look good in the history books.

    1. Re:Very troubling by couchslug · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Blinding the enemy is definitely a war crime."

      NO. Using weapons to specifically blind the enemy is a crime.
      If you blind them with fragments or fire as a consequence of trying to kill and maim them, that's perfectly acceptable.

      If you blind a tank crewman whose head is exposed by painting the tank with a laser designator in order to shoot the tank that's perfectly acceptable.

      If you use a weapon whose specific purpose is to blind an enemy rather than blinding some of them as collateral damage, that's a crime.

      Citation:

      "Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons (Protocol IV to the 1980 Convention), 13 October 1995

      Article 1 It is prohibited to employ laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision, that is to the naked eye or to the eye with corrective eyesight devices. The High Contracting Parties shall not transfer such weapons to any State or non-State entity.

      Article 2 In the employment of laser systems, the High Contracting Parties shall take all feasible precautions to avoid the incidence of permanent blindness to unenhanced vision. Such precautions shall include training of their armed forces and other practical measures.

      Article 3 Blinding as an incidental or collateral effect of the legitimate military employment of laser systems, including laser systems used against optical equipment, is not covered by the prohibition of this Protocol.

      Article 4 For the purpose of this protocol "permanent blindness" means irreversible and uncorrectable loss of vision which is seriously disabling with no prospect of recovery. Serious disability is equivalent to visual acuity of less than 20/200 Snellen measured using both eyes."

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    2. Re:Very troubling by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "Protocol on Laser Weapons" has nothing to do with this issue.

      The weapon under discussion is not a laser. The wavelength it emits is at least a thousand times longer. It comes out of a waveguide, not out of a optical lens.

    3. Re:Very troubling by xigxag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What are you talking about? The weapon system HAS been tested, TFA points out it's "already been tested more than 11,000 times on around 700 volunteers." And there's nothing in article 2 requiring testing anyway. As much as you would like to apply common sense definitions to legal documents, it doesn't work. Furthermore, cataracts do not fall under the definition of "permanent blindness" in the protocol. Cataract surgery is a common outpatient procedure and can certainly restore one's sight to better than 20/200 corrected. Finally, as the previous poster was saying, even if there were some slight possibility of permanent blindness, that itself is not a war crime. Bullets can cause permanent blindness too, btw, as can mines, mortars, and almost anything on the battlefield, up to and including a blow on the head with a rock. If the worst thing a weapon has going for it is that it may, in some limited circumstances, cause cataracts, it would be one of the safest weapons ever devised.

      So, in short, you're wrong. You have not demonstrated in any way that the use of this weapon could be classified as a war crime.

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    4. Re:Very troubling by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How many total years in jail were served by anyone as a result of Mai Lai?

    5. Re:Very troubling by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      No it's a MASER: "Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation"

      It pre-dates the LASER, and is different in only one letter of the acronym LASER by the word "Light" rather than "Microwave". Researches seem to have thought it relevant to denote the difference between optical and non optical radiation so don't go screwing with the accepted definitions.

      But the topic is moot really since this is nothing more than a microwave generator, based on the story shown on Discovery last year. Not everything coming out of a horn antenna is spatially coherent, so unless you can provide a source saying that this is indeed a spatially coherent beam created by stimulated emission of radiation, it is nether a LASER or a MASER.

  6. Failure rate? by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTFA: "the US military says the chance of injury from the system is 0.1%. It's already been tested more than 11,000 times"

    So, there has already been eleven injuries from that?

    1. Re:Failure rate? by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. Police forces always are, always have been, and always will be, a model of conduct. They only hit with the force needed to violent people, non-violent demostrator or even by-stander who happen to be near are safe and won't be hit without provocation. Police brutality is an oxymoron.

      The agressions from police officers caught in camera are just optical illusions.

      Really, tell me... where do you live?

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    2. Re:Failure rate? by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The argument here is similar to that of taser - that you would injure more people by not having this tool and having to disperse crowd in other ways (i.e. tear gas, water cannons, possible gunfire).

      Of course, the problem is that it ends up being used to solve problems it wasn't initially designed for, such as torturing without leaving marks, just like taser did.

  7. Bah. by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rather than high-tech indiscriminate non-lethal weapons, the US should invest much more in intelligence gathering and infiltration. Which is difficult, but just because slapping a shiny new weapon into the battlefield is easier, doesn't mean it's better.

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    1. Re:Bah. by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not a binary choice.

      An investment in intel won't necessarily stop riots, especially riots calculated to provoke violent retaliation without regard to own-side casualties. Less-lethal weapons won't produce bloody martyr cell phone footage. :) Smart opponents want martyrs, especially when the martyrs aren't their own operative and are just expendable locals they may not care for anyway or actively dislike.

      Intel isn't something you can (always) buy. though that IS a good idea if done carefully.

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    2. Re:Bah. by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a binary choice.

      An investment in intel won't necessarily stop riots, especially riots calculated to provoke violent retaliation without regard to own-side casualties. Less-lethal weapons won't produce bloody martyr cell phone footage. :) Smart opponents want martyrs, especially when the martyrs aren't their own operative and are just expendable locals they may not care for anyway or actively dislike.

      Intel isn't something you can (always) buy. though that IS a good idea if done carefully.

      While I agree with most of your points (good post), I am personally of the opinion that good intelligence would ALSO impede those kinds of riots you talk about, if not immediately then in the long run, by eliminating the ringleaders of the Taliban, which would incite those riots. Using the microwave weapon to quell the riots, even though non-lethal, will cause resentment as much as a few dead rioters would. Totally IMHO.

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  8. In the US in 3, 2, 1 ... by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM
    Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) used in Pittsburgh.
    Expect the heat-ray very soon.

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  9. It'll be just like plastic bullets by andywebsdale · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cops or soldiers that use them will work out how to make the weapon have far worse effects than were intended.They *always* do.
      For example, trapping fleeing civilians against a wall or fence so that they can't esape, or more than one beam focussed on one person. (Incidentally, one technique with plastic bullets or baton rounds is to ricochet them off the street, so that they shatter and rebound up into the victims face)
    Like tasers, they say that they're a 'non-lethal' alternative to guns, but in reality they still use guns the same as they always did, but now use tasers when they would just have grabbed someone & handcuffed them, or just spoke to them.

    1. Re:It'll be just like plastic bullets by cavePrisoner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a soldier, I have to say that making the thing do more damage was the last thing that came to mind. We have plenty of things that do shit-tons of damage already. But when we catch an 8 year old running command wire to an IED, you kind of wish there was a way to stop him without ripping him in half with a .50 cal round. Something like this might be nice from time to time.

  10. Extensively tested by MalHavoc · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 'burning sensation' was developed and extensively tested based on the US military's prior experience in the Red Light district of Amsterdam and Eddie Murphy's stand up comedy.

  11. Telling name by Robotron23 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The abbreviation, which could mean any number of things, is telling of the military habit to name destructive, harmful things with innocuous sounding phrases that do not imply damage "Active Denial System" could just as easily have been a web term or a feature of an antivirus program. Imagine a TV ad: "Norton's Active-Denial-System or ADS is proven to..." This is shared by government which will often use formal, even flowery language to cover up a practice which is morally or ethically contentious:

    For instance, a military spokeman or officer or a high-up politician cannot very well come out and say this without coming off badly from it: "We believe that as we kill off our opponents in the Taliban a number of civilian casualties are necessary to allow our victory."

    Therefore you get pretentious, padded-out diction like this: "We concede that the Taliban are a formidable foe who possess a humanitarian record that we can only describe as deplorable. However if we are to restore and preserve the freedoms of the Afghan people, and we think you'd agree with us on this, that a certain number of hazards for those present in the field are bound up in these transitional times are justified in the context of the achievement of the coalition's greater goals: We're in the sphere of granting those formerly under oppression a life of liberty, free of oppression and terrorism."

    This sort of puffed out prose is a long-time euphemism which has only proliferated over the 100 and more years - masses of Latin words lengthen a point, and those who do listen can't be bothered digging out the true meaning which was basically that civilian deaths can't be avoided and are actually needed for the coalition to win. The end justifies the means. But in our hypothetical wording up there this was disguised: The great enemy of clear writing is insincerity. A well-known author named George Orwell wrote much on this and his essays are recommended.

  12. Horrible by Voulnet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is totally horrible.

    Just like tasers, this will give nincompoops of military the freedom to hurt civilians and innocent people on the grounds that it won't 'harm' or 'kill' them.
    It just gives them more incentive to be trigger happy against the civilians because the aggressors (read: military or police personnel) won't fear consequences of being court martialed for murder and there will be less public outcry against 'harmless' methods of crowd control.

    This is just an alternative to the golden military rule: "Double check your fucking target", turning it into "Shoot your fucking target, if it happens to be the wrong one, just apologize".

    1. Re:Horrible by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I prefer case 3: our politicians don't put the world's best killing force in a position where killing people is not appropriate.

      Our army is not trained in non-violence; they are trained to kill people and blow shit up. When killing people and blowing shit up is not on the menu, then they should not be involved in the situation.

      Once we begin your scenario, where our military is facing down a bunch of civilian protesters, everyone has already lost. It should be police forces facing them down, because that is police-work. It doesn't matter if we have an ADS or a magical calm-the-fuck-down ray - our military should not be involved in the situation at all.

  13. Re:Kind of a big jump... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Informative

    yep, or the military will buy ADS2 in a few years time, and flog the old ones cheap to police departments (which is normally how military equipment ends up in the hands of civilian police)

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  14. Re:"Put your hand in the box." by __aaxtnf2500 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever felt one of those sensory illusion devices that has a stack of parallel tubes with alternating hot and cold lines? The hot lines are not enough to burn you, but when you put your skin across the stack, your heat sensing system interprets the feeling as intense burning. Closest thing I ever felt to the black box.

  15. Umm... .1%? by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That means you point it at 1000 people and one of them will be injured. In what way? Skin burns or toasted cerebral cortex?

    If some over-aggressive soldier leaves it on too long, does that make the number .2% or 10%?

    How long do we have to point it at people to change that to 100%? 1000 times too long or just a few seconds too much?

  16. Re:Concerned that it could be used for torture? by Xelios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of things can be used for torture, but the list of things that leave no evidence of torture behind is much shorter.

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  17. It's all a PITA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is why I prefer the M-60 machine gun. After firing a few thousand rounds of 7.62mm NATO down the street, all you need to clean up is a firehose.

  18. "safer" means used more by DaveGod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "safer" a weapon is, the less the restrictions and controls over it's use, and the more often it is used.

    As we have seen with tasers, people begin to see them as a tool which achieves their objective with minimal repercussions. There follows a normalisation process resulting in usage becoming considered appropriate even in situations where other forms of violence would be considered unacceptable. Like when trying to stop a student making a scene as he is leaving the premises as requested. Tasers were touted as a less violent option to bullets, instead they seem to be used as a more violent option to wrestling (and, if you go by Youtube, talking).

    Even if the technology is 100% safe and cannot result in permanent injury, it is still the exercise of pain and violence in controlling civilians and must be very tightly controlled. Instead there seems to be very little interest in the misapplication of violence by officials if nobody dies.

    Seriously, making people feel like they are on fire in order to "disperse crowds"?

  19. As With Tazers by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where people might be hesitant to use lethal force due to the consequences, I suspect that they'll be all to willing to use "non-lethal" weapons as soon as things start to look remotely ugly. Or possibly for no reason at all. It's a lot harder to prove that an incident occurred if it doesn't leave bodies behind. Of course, they'll know their actions are wrong and will attempt to make it illegal to record incidents where the weapon is used, much as police departments are trying to prevent recordings of officers now so that there will be no documented proof of police brutality.

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  20. Re:Sounds ominously familiar... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Either way, smoke 'em if you got 'em in your sights. I wonder what would happen if people at a protest suddenly come up with a large supply of sheet aluminum... you know, like stop signs etc... parabolic dish shapes might also be interesting.

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