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Buckyballs Detected In Space

Rhodin writes "Fullerenes, also known as buckminsterfullerenes or 'buckyballs,' were detected about 6,500 light years from Earth in the cosmic dust of Tc 1 (PDF; abstract), an object known as a planetary nebula. 'We found what are now the largest molecules known to exist in space,' said astronomer Jan Cami of the University of Western Ontario, Canada, and the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. 'We are particularly excited because they have unique properties that make them important players for all sorts of physical and chemical processes going on in space.'" (More, below.) These results hark directly back to the experiments that originally identified Buckminsterfullerene, which mimicked the outer atmospheric chemistry of red giant carbon stars. Harry Kroto, who jointly won a Nobel Prize for this discovery in 1996, is excited by the findings' clarity. 'The spectrum is incredibly convincing,' the Florida State University academic said. 'I thought I would never be as convinced as I am. The fact that the four lines are there, and C70 is there, is just unbelievable. It's a spectacular paper.'"

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  1. Cool by mcvos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought the fact that these had to be explicitly manufactured and seemed to be a human-invented molecule meant that they'd never appear naturally in space.

    Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

    1. Re:Cool by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe

      Somewhere out there is an underfunded galaxy filled with old computers that I can't get permission to throw out?

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    2. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

      Yet I'm sure somebody holds a patent for these molecules.

    3. Re:Cool by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought the fact that these had to be explicitly manufactured and seemed to be a human-invented molecule meant that they'd never appear naturally in space.

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

      Candle flame is loaded with Buckminsterfullerene. These molecules have been right under our noses for that long.

    4. Re:Cool by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Candle flame is loaded with Buckminsterfullerene. These molecules have been right under our noses for that long.

      Perhaps a more scientific method of detection than "sniffing fire" would have had better results earlier on.

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    5. Re:Cool by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Soot was just so ordinary no one ever bothered to distill the different molecules out of it, to see if any had unusual properties.

      C60 is just too big a fraction, with too distinct properties, to have been missed otherwise for so long.

    6. Re:Cool by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Somewhere out there is an underfunded galaxy filled with old computers that I can't get permission to throw out?

      No, no, you have permission. Go ahead.

    7. Re:Cool by feidaykin · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

      Not the case for temperature. Scientists have cooled a piece of rhodium metal to 100 picokelvin. The coldest observed temperature in the universe is about 1K. I remember reading an article where some scientist joked that any region of space colder than what we've achieved in a laboratory would have to be in the laboratory of an alien civilization. ;)

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    8. Re:Cool by quantumghost · · Score: 4, Funny
      FLASH: Man sues Nature over patent infringement...

      Mr I. M. Atwit, lead council for Dewy, Suck'em, and Dry Corp headquartered in Topeka KS, was quoted as saying "Nature has finally overstepped her bounds by infringing on our copyright! We intend to prosecute this to the fullest extent of the law [of man]."

      Nature, unfortunately, could not be reached for comment.

      In unrelated news, NASA and several prominent astronomers today warned of an impending meteorite strike that was predicted to hit somewhere in the Mid-West of the US. The most like impact site was around Topeka, KS.

    9. Re:Cool by locallyunscene · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This reminds me of a story I once heard(maybe a Fable, I'm not sure). There was a village that had the policy of euthanizing anyone that reached past a certain age so that the village would remain strong. A old woman was nearing this age when there appeared a threat to the village. A great conqueror descended upon them that they knew they could not defeat. The conqueror, wishing to take the village by peaceful means to save his men for other battles, sent a messenger proposing that he would give them 3 challenges. If they succeeded he would bypass their village. If they failed they must submit to his rule or be slaughtered. I don't remember the first two challenges, but needless to say the old woman's experience was called upon to pass them. The final challenge was to construct a rope of ash that could hold weight. Of course it was impossible for the weavers of the village to construct and no amount of the warriors' strength could press the ash together to form something cohesive. The village thought they were doomed so once again they went to the old lady because she had helped them through the previous two challenges. She told them to soak a normal rope is salt water and then burn it. This would caused the rope to retain its original shape and strength. The conqueror was confounded at the ashen rope, and the village was saved. From that point forward it let its citizens live to whatever ripe old age they wanted.

      I've never tried it myself, but I wonder if this is an ancient form of constructing bucky tubes.

    10. Re:Cool by dbraden · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think I spent way too much time tracking this down ;)

      I finally found a version of it in a Japanese folktale called The Wise Old Woman by Yoshiko Uchida. Here's a version of it that looks like it was formatted for a play, but at least it's an easy read: The Wise Old Woman.

      Interesting story, thank you!

  2. Cellulose Detected in Space, too by mhh5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The molecular weight of cellulose in deep space might not surpass C70, but it *might* exceed C70... see one of the questions in this TED talk:
    http://blog.ted.com/2009/10/qa_with_garik_i.php

  3. We can detect tiny, molecules... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and tell what they are at a distance that take light slightly longer than our recorded history as a species to travel.

    Fuck yeah!

    (That is all)

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    1. Re:We can detect tiny, molecules... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Preach it! It's at times like this that I like to break out the SCIENCE: it works, bitches shirt.

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  4. Actually by twisteddk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the C-60 has been known to exist (albeit in extremely limited number) in nature on earth. Fullerenes have later been found to exist also in very "short" chains, AFAIK down to like 20-30 atoms.
    The real challenge is making stuff like tubing in desired lengths and thickness. Though the ball that is the C-60 is also very intresting, because like some of the molecular medical delivery systems invested recently, you may be able to contain smaller molecules within. This is very helpfull for nano weaponry and medicines, where all you'd need is a molecular glue that will attach (only) to your target, a container (like the buckyball) something within the container, and some sort of trigger, as presumably the fulerenes are very very stable.

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    1. Re:Actually by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that a single molecule of C-60 contains 60 carbon atoms, you probably meant to put "molecules" there.

      GP was referring to buckytubes.

  5. Re:hope they won't find... by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least in space, nobody will be able to hear your vuvuzela.

  6. Re:Dark matter? by psone · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are several theoretical candidates for Dark Matter. Non-Baryonic Dark Matter (aka matter not made of quarks, protons, neutrons and not interacting with electrons and photons) is expected to contribute for the greater part to it. Fullerenes fall in the first category. Additionally, the observations of stars (gravitational interactions) are in accordance with the standard model and that pleads for the absence of Dark Matter in or around stars. However the cohesion or consistency of galaxies is not expectable if the only mass present in them comes from stars and stellar systems. That pleads for the presence of dark mater in the halo of galaxies and in clusters of galaxies.

  7. Re:Dark matter? by twisteddk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Also not an expert. But if we eventually manage to find a molecule that can absorb energy without emitting it again in some form or other, that'd be pretty amazing from a chemistry standpoint. Our current undestanding of energy is that all energy input corresponds to a certain output. That is, energy may change form, but it may not cease to exist. this is generally also how we manage to identify molecules and objects, by measuring how they reflect radiation, or convert it to heat, mass etc.

    But certainly a molecule that can absorb radiation without leaking it again, would revolutionize nuclear waste storage and facilities, where currently excess materials are encased in glass, then stainless steel, then put into storage for 6-800 years before the decay is sufficient for the material to be reused as nuclear fuel. Throughout those 6-800 years emission can be detrimetal to your health, a case that ensures 100% absorption of the radiation would be excellent !

    That said, I doubt that is the case. I love the idea of it though. And I'm sure that in the future we will have a far better understanding of physics which will hopefully yield such bounties.

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  8. Re:SETI can't find aliens by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is possible that aliens will make conclusions about our development of semiconductors by looking for the signature of LEDs and lasers in our night side light emissions, but would be in the dark about our biology. Photons are a great invention.
     

    In 1835, Auguste Comte, a prominent French philosopher, stated that humans would never be able to understand the chemical composition of stars. He was soon proved wrong. In the latter half of the 19th century, astronomers began to embrace two new techniques—spectroscopy and photography. Together they helped bring about a revolution in people's understanding of the cosmos. For the first time, scientists could investigate what the universe was made of. This was a major turning point in the development of cosmology, as astronomers were able to record and document not only where the stars were but what they were as well.

    link

  9. What? No Spaceballs jokes or references? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I really that old?! Oh well...

    May da schwartz be witcha.

  10. Re:hope they won't find... by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's just the farting of the Time Lords

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