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Buckyballs Detected In Space

Rhodin writes "Fullerenes, also known as buckminsterfullerenes or 'buckyballs,' were detected about 6,500 light years from Earth in the cosmic dust of Tc 1 (PDF; abstract), an object known as a planetary nebula. 'We found what are now the largest molecules known to exist in space,' said astronomer Jan Cami of the University of Western Ontario, Canada, and the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. 'We are particularly excited because they have unique properties that make them important players for all sorts of physical and chemical processes going on in space.'" (More, below.) These results hark directly back to the experiments that originally identified Buckminsterfullerene, which mimicked the outer atmospheric chemistry of red giant carbon stars. Harry Kroto, who jointly won a Nobel Prize for this discovery in 1996, is excited by the findings' clarity. 'The spectrum is incredibly convincing,' the Florida State University academic said. 'I thought I would never be as convinced as I am. The fact that the four lines are there, and C70 is there, is just unbelievable. It's a spectacular paper.'"

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  1. Cool by mcvos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought the fact that these had to be explicitly manufactured and seemed to be a human-invented molecule meant that they'd never appear naturally in space.

    Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

    1. Re:Cool by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe

      Somewhere out there is an underfunded galaxy filled with old computers that I can't get permission to throw out?

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    2. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

      Yet I'm sure somebody holds a patent for these molecules.

    3. Re:Cool by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought the fact that these had to be explicitly manufactured and seemed to be a human-invented molecule meant that they'd never appear naturally in space.

      Apparently there are no lab conditions on earth that are not duplicated somewhere else in the universe.

      Candle flame is loaded with Buckminsterfullerene. These molecules have been right under our noses for that long.

    4. Re:Cool by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Candle flame is loaded with Buckminsterfullerene. These molecules have been right under our noses for that long.

      Perhaps a more scientific method of detection than "sniffing fire" would have had better results earlier on.

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    5. Re:Cool by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Soot was just so ordinary no one ever bothered to distill the different molecules out of it, to see if any had unusual properties.

      C60 is just too big a fraction, with too distinct properties, to have been missed otherwise for so long.

    6. Re:Cool by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Somewhere out there is an underfunded galaxy filled with old computers that I can't get permission to throw out?

      No, no, you have permission. Go ahead.

    7. Re:Cool by quantumghost · · Score: 4, Funny
      FLASH: Man sues Nature over patent infringement...

      Mr I. M. Atwit, lead council for Dewy, Suck'em, and Dry Corp headquartered in Topeka KS, was quoted as saying "Nature has finally overstepped her bounds by infringing on our copyright! We intend to prosecute this to the fullest extent of the law [of man]."

      Nature, unfortunately, could not be reached for comment.

      In unrelated news, NASA and several prominent astronomers today warned of an impending meteorite strike that was predicted to hit somewhere in the Mid-West of the US. The most like impact site was around Topeka, KS.

    8. Re:Cool by dbraden · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think I spent way too much time tracking this down ;)

      I finally found a version of it in a Japanese folktale called The Wise Old Woman by Yoshiko Uchida. Here's a version of it that looks like it was formatted for a play, but at least it's an easy read: The Wise Old Woman.

      Interesting story, thank you!

  2. Cellulose Detected in Space, too by mhh5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The molecular weight of cellulose in deep space might not surpass C70, but it *might* exceed C70... see one of the questions in this TED talk:
    http://blog.ted.com/2009/10/qa_with_garik_i.php

  3. We can detect tiny, molecules... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and tell what they are at a distance that take light slightly longer than our recorded history as a species to travel.

    Fuck yeah!

    (That is all)

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    1. Re:We can detect tiny, molecules... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Preach it! It's at times like this that I like to break out the SCIENCE: it works, bitches shirt.

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  4. Actually by twisteddk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the C-60 has been known to exist (albeit in extremely limited number) in nature on earth. Fullerenes have later been found to exist also in very "short" chains, AFAIK down to like 20-30 atoms.
    The real challenge is making stuff like tubing in desired lengths and thickness. Though the ball that is the C-60 is also very intresting, because like some of the molecular medical delivery systems invested recently, you may be able to contain smaller molecules within. This is very helpfull for nano weaponry and medicines, where all you'd need is a molecular glue that will attach (only) to your target, a container (like the buckyball) something within the container, and some sort of trigger, as presumably the fulerenes are very very stable.

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  5. Re:hope they won't find... by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least in space, nobody will be able to hear your vuvuzela.

  6. Re:Dark matter? by psone · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are several theoretical candidates for Dark Matter. Non-Baryonic Dark Matter (aka matter not made of quarks, protons, neutrons and not interacting with electrons and photons) is expected to contribute for the greater part to it. Fullerenes fall in the first category. Additionally, the observations of stars (gravitational interactions) are in accordance with the standard model and that pleads for the absence of Dark Matter in or around stars. However the cohesion or consistency of galaxies is not expectable if the only mass present in them comes from stars and stellar systems. That pleads for the presence of dark mater in the halo of galaxies and in clusters of galaxies.

  7. What? No Spaceballs jokes or references? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I really that old?! Oh well...

    May da schwartz be witcha.