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Android Users Aren't As Disloyal As Reported

ergo98 writes "As we discussed recently, a CNN article had a statement that '77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, compared to 20% of Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.' This was a gross misrepresentation. The CNN story now has up this note: 'Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that 20% of Android customers say they'll buy another Android phone. The survey actually revealed that 20% of all smartphone customers say they'll buy an Android phone.' The Yankee Group has further sought to clarify the situation by saying that the 20% are people who explicitly said they would buy a 'Google-branded' phone (which excludes the overwhelming majority of popular Android phones) — as Google gets out of the business of selling branded phones. Summarizing their position on Android: 'Yankee Group still believes that Android will become the next breakout mobile phone platform, making it the third most popular platform behind iPhone and RIM's Blackberry in installed base for at least the next five years.'"

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  1. Confirmation Bias? by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone here got accused of confirmation bias for doubting the study.

    by gyrogeerloose (849181)
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    on Saturday July 24, @06:08PM (#33016628)

    Who did they ask? People inside of Apple's campus.. You've got to be kidding me.

    Got to love it--some research challenges your preconceived notions so, of course, the only thing to do is reconsider said notions, right?

    Wrong. Better to disparage the research than admit they might have been incorrect.

    Come on, parent is not a troll. (Score:3, Insightful)
    by Abcd1234 (188840)
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    on Saturday July 24, @06:17PM (#33016700) Homepage

    In fact, he nailed it spot on. The GP doesn't like the conclusions of the study, so he just assumes the study or the researchers are wrong. It's an excellent illustration of confirmation bias (or, in this case, its inverse).

    Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

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    1. Re:Confirmation Bias? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

      Why does this have to be an 'either/or' question? We all know surveys like this don't really provide an actual usable data.

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    2. Re:Confirmation Bias? by MintOreo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Woo, my confirmation bias tells me your incredulity is confirmation bias.

      In my experience people who bemoan others for 'preconceived notions' are most often the ones truly guilty of it. Similarly, to be 'open-minded' has simply come to mean 'alternately' or 'unconventionally' 'minded'. Sad world we live in where cultural-mental 'progress' is merely a shift and all the same problems exist; but I've gotten off topic.

    3. Re:Confirmation Bias? by therealobsideus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

      An apple fan . . . admit they're wrong about Apple being the greatest thing since sliced bread? What weird world did you come from.

      I'm an Apple fan, yet I have no problem admitting when they are wrong and their product shortcomings.

    4. Re:Confirmation Bias? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      And Linux/Open Source Zealots are any different. Any Statics against Open Source are obviously false. Any stats for get a bunch of "About Time!" posts. Zealotry/Fan Boyism will lead to endless debates and complaints.

      Apple is Evil
      Linux is Lame
      Windows is washed up.

      They all have their weeknesses zealotry on any product really hurts the product you are zealot about. Because you turn a blind eye on many of its faults and failed to see the other sides strengths.

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  2. What an Idiotic Blunder by ceraphis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only did I not trust Yankee Group's numbers before, but now I realize they asked an ignorant question about "google branded" phones? What the hell sense does that have in a comparison between iPhones and Android phones? I'll be sure to consider immediately discarding any statistics released by "Yankee Group" in the future, because they could have just "accidentally" forgot to mention some important detail. Ridiculous.

    1. Re:What an Idiotic Blunder by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll be sure to consider immediately discarding any statistics released by "Yankee Group" in the future, because they could have just "accidentally" forgot to mention some important detail. Ridiculous.

      It's not their fault CNN Money fails at reading comprehension and cannot gist data correctly.

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  3. How many Android users know what they're using? by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know a number of people who have "that cool phone" or "the phone I saw on that tv show". They dont know its Android since thats not really a brand name. This is expounded by how different the UI elements are on different brands Android phones. HTC looks quite different from Motorola (stupid moto-blur) and so on. Some manufacturers are even rebranding Google funconality, see the "Genius Button".

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    1. Re:How many Android users know what they're using? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And in the UK "Android" phone sales are up 300%.

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  4. My wife likes her HTC Magic by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In fact it is the only technological device she doesn't constantly complain about. The way it is going she will get a new phone of the same type when this one comes off contract.

  5. It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. by MrCrassic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of people automatically associate Android with Google because the first line of Android-capable phones (G1, Hero, myTouch3G) were marketed that way. In fact, I think the release of the Droid on Verizon officially put a stop to that trend, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Thus, I'd say that surveying how many are likely to get Google-branded phones is a pretty reasonable indicator of how well Android is doing in the marketplace.

    Nonetheless, even though Android doesn't seem to be getting a lot of love lately (or at least according to this survey), the thing to keep in mind is that Android's market presence has become notably stronger since the G1 came out. I honestly think that from a phone perspective, the Nexus One had serious potential to realistically compete with the iPhone (3GS) behemoth, considering that it's similar to the iPhone while offering a completely different, and completely usable, experience at a lower price. It's a shame that Google (and T-Mobile!) didn't promote the phone as actively as they could have; it had TONS of potential. Look at how well the Droid's doing on Verizon! (Yes, the Samsung Galaxy S line is much more feature-rich, but it's a toy. The Nexus One was a statement...and a damned good looking one.)

    Let's put it this way: at least it's not just Blackberry and Windows Mobile anymore!

    1. Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. by MrCrassic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was a great success. Look at the phones that have been released before (Droid, Aria, Espresso, Behold, etc.) and after (Droid X, Galaxy S, EVO) the Nexus One. I won't say that it was directly responsible for the proliferation of seriously powerful and (reasonably) feature-packed devices, but it did push the platform forward just like the G1 did.

      I think Google will make another effort down the line. Android seems to be losing its focus, since it's becoming a lot like Windows Mobile in its execution. The ONLY phone shipping the "Google Experience" (i.e. Android as intended, more or less) was the Nexus One, every other phone out there has some sort of skin FORCEFULLY installed on it (HTC Sense, MOTOBLUR, TouchWiz, etc). To further feed the fire, many of those phones have tons of applications that are completely unnecessary and only seem to help the carrier --- COMPLETELY like the carrier-provided smart (and dumb!) phones that came before the smartphone explosion.

      Forget the fact that most of these phones are a bit difficult to root/unlock. When a person buys an iPhone, they get software that, in its stock form, is EXACTLY as Apple intended it. It doesn't have Facebook or anything like that pre-installed; the user get the Apple bits right from the beginning, and everything added after that is entirely up to him or her. Not so when you buy Android...and the sad part is that the stock UI is actually quite good! It's not like Windows Mobile where HTC et. al. HAD to put TouchFLO/Sense on top of it because it was fugly compared to everything else out there.

      Look at TouchWiz on the Vibrant, for instance. It tries really, really hard to provide an iPhone-like interface in hopes of being easy to use. The only problem is that it's not. They COULD try and provide something 'different' (which a LOT of people would probably appreciate, if it works) like HTC does with Sense, but that would make way too much sense.

  6. Re:I sense a disturbance in the force by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

    and replaced by the cries of millions of opposing fanboys.

  7. Sad to see Google bail on the hardware by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really disappointed that Google is going to stop selling handsets. I was waiting for a Nexus Two.

    I want a phone that has a pure (plain?) Android experience. I don't want the layers that Motorola and HTC add to differentiate themselves, not to mention all the bloatware. It wouldn't bother me so much if I was able to reformat a phone in the same way I can reformat a Dell or HP machine to clear off all the crap, but as far as I know, I can't.

  8. Re:iPhone will lose by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to think that as well, but they do seem to enjoy it.

  9. Re:Another phone? by unix1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    As a backup?

  10. Re:Statistics by shaitand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Simple, the article is written by an Apple fanboi who is trying to find some way to skew things in Apple's favor.

    Apple has 28% of the smartphone market, Android has 9%. 20% of ALL smartphone users say they are going to buy Android for their next phone. In other words, even if 100% of iPhone owners were saying they'd buy another IPhone the numbers indicate Android will soon overtake the IPhone in marketshare.

    But they don't, only 77% say they intend to stick with the IPhone, indicating that while android should rise to 29% apple will drop from 28%.

  11. The Yankee Group by gavron · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Yankee Group has been a microsoft shil for years!

    Do the math.

    I'm not sure how much of a "group" they are. After all, they have more directors and officers than "analysts." Still I'm sure the microsoft money is good.. http://www.yankeegroup.com/listAnalysts.do

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  12. Re:Statistics by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's the statistical equivalent of the question:

    "Do you walk to school or bring your lunch"?

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  13. Re:Another phone? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you can use the second to make calls when your first has antenna problems...

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  14. Re:Statistics by medlefsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think your math is a bit off

    20% of all smartphone users say they are going to buy Android, including current Android owners. Pretending for a second that people actually do what they say they'll do and that everybody upgrades their phones at the same time, Android would get 20% of the market.

    We know that 77% of current iPhone users will buy another one but we don't know about how many the other 72% of smartphone users will buy iPhones. So all we know is that at least 21% (28% * 77%) of current smart phone owners will buy an iPhone, but it's likely to be much higher.

  15. Re:Statistics by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The maths is all a bit off, unknown survey, with unknown breakdown, using unknown group, says 15 percent of cows jump over the moon (not maths that wrong). Seriously your playing with numbers from a survey with undeclared methods, you have got to be joking.

    The reality is the majority of smart phone users will end up going with Android for two main reasons, lots of hardware choice (including a lot of cheaper hardware), service supplier choice and of course 'free' application choice. Google only ever produced it's own branded phone to kick up interest in Android, once that was done and it did work really well, they dropped it.

    Even the android demo on PC under windows is popular, hopefully Google will produce a 'one click' download and install so that more people can more readily play with it (rather a smack in M$'s nose if people really like it and continue to use is as a app). The Apple market'droids' are working overtime pretending to be fanbois and it isn't really working and is really starting to become rather distasteful.

    Apple has some really creative people, perhaps it is time to shift to a web focus and show M$ how a better company can creative a far more successful version of MSN under another name, hmm, how about, the 'core' ;).

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