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GNOME 3.0 Delayed Until March 2011
Julie188 writes "GNOME 3.0 was scheduled to be released in September but during the developers conference, GUADEC 2010 in Den Haag, the organization had to face facts: the much ballyhooed GNOME Shell really wasn't ready. The Shell is supposed to bring 'a whole new user experience to the desktop.' So now, in September, what users will see is GNOME 2.32, distributed as a new stable release. Next target date for 3.0: March 2011."
...and his boyfriend is pissed about where he got it from!
Better than releasing the Gnome equivalent of KDE4.
I like the looks of the new interface, but am rather concerned it might put people off by being too different from Windows.
I've been playing around with soft lighting in the GIMP, and I think one innovation I'd like to see come up (in X-windows or wherever) would be to allow users to "tint" the whole desktop with a particular color scheme and pattern... something that can hit the windows and wallpaper evenly not unlike the sun is currently hitting my monitor, only not so bright, blurry and distracting.
Think looking at a monitor with the faint reflection of light hitting rippling water... ahh, soothing!
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I truly hope the Gnome folks observed the KDE4 fiasco and learned some good lessons. They really need to make sure the product they release is stable and doesn't include significant feature regressions (although knowing Gnome, they'll probably call them usability enhancements...). There's certain types of software that can be unstable, and a desktop environment isn't one of them. I'm very much in favor of them holding off as long as it takes.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
Another reason they're pushing GNOME 3 back is that Shell's design isn't quite usable yet. I would know because I frequently use daily builds of GNOME Shell for testing purposes. I mean, look at it. It's so... blah and thrown-together. The design team is working on the design, and the final design will look much different. If you clone the gnome-shell-design git repository, you'll get the most current mockups. Here's a link to those of you unable to use git including the latest mockups as of today. These mockups look amazing and make the shell much easier on the eyes as well as usable. Ever since they announced this new design, I've been looking forward to it much more than I already have.
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Lets face it, the windows on a desktop with icons experience pretty much hit it's peak with Windows 3.0. Everything since then has been, well, more windows on a desktop with icons.
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I haven't kept up on it. What will be special about GNOME 3, particularly from an end user's perspective?
I'm a pretty dedicated Gnome user, but I'll admit that the new shell isn't something I'm looking forward to. It's too non-traditional IMHO. Some basic designs have evolved in the computer UI world because they work very well, and this seems to be trying to shake things up for the sake of being different.
IMHO, the current Gnome UI with the taskbar replaced with a dock (I use Docky for this) is nearly perfect from a useability standpoint. Rather than major UI shakeups, what I want is polishing work. Smooth out the eye candy. Font rendering. Better artwork on default themes and icons. Performance tweaks. More work on specific apps.
All in all, the BASIC system is is perfect. Now's not the time to be changing it. Focus on the little things.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
I've been using gnome-shell off and on again since f12. It's real easy just yum install gnome-shell
If you didn't like the UI simplification that occurred in GNOME 2.0, you will positively hate the new Gnome Shell that is being introduced in GNOME 3.0. Just stick with XFCE.
I hope there are different operating "modes" for Gnome3 because that screenshot displays a huge waste of screen real estate. It also looks way too much like a cell phone interface. Ironic how a Linux GUI can get so obscenely dumbed down while the core is as difficult as ever to configure.
Does anyone know if more of Gnome will support LDAP auto configuration?
If someone wants his/her desktop environment like windows, then use windows. Gnome is not developed to imitate windows.
He is one of the main programmers of gnome-shell.
By the way, do you know what language did they use to program gnome-shell? Javascript.
There seem to be a lot of people 'round here now for whom Windows is a universal and sole reference point.
That is entirely practical and will continue to be as long as Windows is the dominant legacy system.
But Windows Vista/7 have really broken some of the UI design which made Windows 95 and up great, so as long as GNOME isn't following Apple and Microsoft's trend toward making interfaces more obscure and less powerful, there's certainly room to improve.
(Seriously, Microsoft, wtf. You removed the 'go up one directory' button in the Windows Explorer, and why? I *use* that button! A lot.)
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
+5 Hilarious :D
By the way, do you know what language did they use to program gnome-shell? Javascript.
The JavaScript is the high-level "business logic" that manipulates nodes in a scene graph to move things around on the screen. The actual scene-graph library, Clutter, is written in C and renders via OpenGL.
I think it's a pretty reasonable design decision, actually. High-level behavior in a high-level language that's easy to maintain, lower-level implementation details in efficient compiled native code. It's similar to what browser-based apps like Google Maps do, with Clutter taking the place of the HTML DOM.
as someone who wants to see GNOME Shell and 3.0 finished
How is it that much better than the current paradigm?
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
(Seriously, Microsoft, wtf. You removed the 'go up one directory' button in the Windows Explorer, and why? I *use* that button! A lot.)
Because address-bar now allows selecting "directly-above" and "x-levels-up" using one click so removing unnecessary button reduces clutter.
It's small change in how to use explorer but IMHO is more powerful and usable now.
He is one of the main programmers of gnome-shell.
Where did you get this from and who the hell modded you Informative?
The top 10 contributors to gnome-shell since last years GUADEC was presented in the talk this year. It certainly didn't include Havoc.
If anyone would even bother to look at http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/log/ they would realize not a single commit has been made with Havocs name on it.
What's a "main programmer" anyway?
Oh well, why bother.... I'm just feeling sorry for people who thinks anything written on slashdot is even remotely true... this article certainly drew alot of crappy comments.
(Seriously, Microsoft, wtf. You removed the 'go up one directory' button in the Windows Explorer, and why? I *use* that button! A lot.)
That was my biggest complaint with 7 until I found I could click on the directory names in the location bar; it's simplicity itself.
- "Nobody came out that night, not one was ever seen. But Old Man Stauf is waiting there, crazy sick and mean!"
That was my biggest complaint with 7 until I found I could click on the directory names in the location bar; it's simplicity itself.
I wonder if this idea has been borrowed from somewhere... like the GNOME file views.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Probably the advanced mode where a lot more features are enabled that are not 'user friendly' enough.
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what the one on ballmer's ball sack?
... like a functional screensaver dialog?
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everyone is using sawfish, mwm, or openbox anyways.
Have you tried pressing Alt + Up? I'm addicted to that shortcut.
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I had the same complaint, but then, after a few seconds I discovered that you can click back one directory (or as many as you like) using the address bar. It shouldn't be too far from where you would have had to click that little "go up one directory" button.
I'm already using GNOME Shell on a regular basis, and I've got to say it:
They should take as long as it takes to get it polished, because it's totally worth it. It may be different from Windows or OS X, but that's not a bad thing in this case. Once you've worked with it for a bit, it's super-intuitive.
I don't know it it'll completely replace my use of GNOME Do (which is second only to Quicksilver imho) but it's danged nice, intuitive, easy to use, and yet powerful enough to satisfy someone like me (and I used to use Openbox with all kinds of keyboard shortcuts to do everything!)
You are aware they added a method to go anywhere in the tree by clicking on that part of the path in the Window?
So if you are in explorer and your listed path is C:\users\corndog\Documents and you want to go to the corndog folder, you can just click on corndog. If you want to the users folder, you just click on users and if you want to change form Documents to maybe Downloads or Pictures, you can click between corndog and Documents and it will give you a dropdown list of the available folders wihtin corndog (same works between users and corndog if you wanted to switch to an different user's folder).
For the record this message was posted from my ubuntu 10.04 laptop, it could have easily been posted from my dual boot work laptop using either Windows 7 Professional or Fedora 12, my Vista 64bit workstation at home, my Windows 7 64bit workstation at work, or my Android phone.
I honestly love linux and Windows because I like the power to customize my environment and apps, which, is why I hate Apple computers and iDevices.
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I'm very content with the current state of the Gnome Desktop. It's usable and looks good. I'm wary of change for changed sake. Hopefully the Gnome devs can keep it fast and usable.