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To Ballmer, Grabbing iPad's Market Is 'Job One Urgency'

Barence writes "Microsoft's Steve Ballmer has vented his frustration at the success of the iPad and said developing a Windows alternative is 'job one urgency.' 'Apple has done an interesting job of putting together a synthesis and putting a product out, and in which they've... they sold certainly more than I'd like them to sell, let me just be clear about that,' Ballmer told analysts. The Microsoft boss said the company plans to deliver a range of tablet formats in the next year, some based on Intel's next-gen Oak Trail processor. 'It is job one urgency around here. Nobody is sleeping at the switch. And so we are working with those partners, not just to deliver something, but to deliver products that people really want to go buy.'" In Microsoft's vision, slates will run a derivative of Windows 7.

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  1. Anger. by slaxative · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shocking news. Microsoft exec upset by the success of a member of the competition.

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    1. Re:Anger. by rimcrazy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They seriously don't get it. The very statement that it will be running a derivative of Win7 says that they are doomed from the start. Actually, not that Win7 is bad, on the contrary even as a MacFanBoy I like Win7 but it's not the right OS for a tablet platform. They keep trying to shoehorn the same thing to be a one OS meets all. They have no ability to step back and say what does the market need and what is the solution the users needs. All they seem to be able to do is ask "What is the problem and how can we solve it with Windows?". The concept of thinking outside the box simply does not exist in Redmond. Really sad as I'm sure at the worker level there are a ton of very smart, all be it ,very frustrated software engineers.

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    2. Re:Anger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shocking news. Microsoft upset that someone is succeeding by innovating rather than generating bloatware / buying out competition.

    3. Re:Anger. by Goaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you have any idea how many times Microsoft has already launched a "tablet that is more like a PC"?

      I've lost count. Probably five times at least, going back to the days of Windows 95 for Pen Computing.

      Each and every time, it has failed miserably.

      Then Apple make a tablet that is not "more like a PC". And they succeed wildly.

      And then you claim that making a tablet like a PC is supposed to be an advantage.

    4. Re:Anger. by rimcrazy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is exactly the same thinking that killed DEC, killed DG, killed "enter name", companies that only see a market from the perspective of what they currently manufacture.

      Like them or not, contrast the two companies, Apple and Microsoft and where they have come from and what they currently make. Apples main revenue stream did not exist when Apple was formed. Microsoft is still a 2 product company and gets its revenue from the same 2 product lines they started with. They are a "deer in the headlights". They can't think outside of what brings in their current revenue. The concept of killing your own so you can grow into new markets is a totally foreign concept, and IMHO, will kill them in the end if they don't learn to change.

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    5. Re:Anger. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Can you imagine what it's like to be a small child, seeing Steve Jobs hold a piece of candy in front of you, to hold it before you and tell you how great its going to be, how it's everything you could possibly want. And then lick his tongue all over it just before giving it to you? This is what it feels like to be someone who reallly wants a nice, tablet form-factor device without a sodding keyboard attached to it, and then find that the only one that is pretty much decent is locked down and made into a device for consuming games and media.

      Microsoft are going to make a tablet? About fucking time. I want to take notes on it with a stylus, not wave my fingers over the screen going 'oooo, I can make pictures big'. I want to be able stuff a USB stick in the side of it and put directories of data on it, not sync it to a fucking iTunes program running on an entirely separate computer (because, amongst other things, my Gentoo box really loves running iTunes). The iPad is pricey, pre-licked candy. Until someone else opens a sweetshop and starts selling their own candy, the only way you're getting any is with Steve Job's drool over it. Bring on the rivals, I say.

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    6. Re:Anger. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If inflating an iPod Touch (or iPhone for that matter) to the extent that the device no longer fits in your pocket is innovation, then I guess that's fine.

      I'll wait as long as I have to to get a proper tablet computer that isn't just a media consumption device. My laptop isn't that heavy.

    7. Re:Anger. by randomaxe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tablets PCs have been around for a long time, indeed. However, tablet devices as a distinct platform -- and not as just another PC but with a touchscreen instead of a mouse & keyboard -- have not.

      And if there's anything that Microsoft as a company should be angry about, that's it. Bill Gates stood there ten years ago and told us that tablet PCs were the future of computing, that a significant portion of PCs sold would be tablets within a few years, and Microsoft failed to make it happen. They failed to make tablet computing sufficiently different from a laptop PC experience, and consumers didn't give tablet PCs a second look.

      Now Apple has succeeded in a major way at what Microsoft completely failed at, and boy, that must be embarrassing.

    8. Re:Anger. by sdpuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Looks like it is in Apple's favor now.

      Today AAPL cap is $235 B, MSFT is 221 B, according to Google quotes.

      If they only sold a bunch, one can rightfully assume that it's "Apple Fanboys", but they're not selling by the bucket-load, they're selling these things by the millions even if you're scratching your head "why?".

      http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/22/ipad-sales-accelerate/ iPad sales accelerate, 3 million sold in 80 days or one every 2.3 seconds

      When someone is successful, it's useful to think about why they are successful - and sure if they stop doing "whatever they are doing wrong" maybe they will continue or prevent their future failure - or maybe there is something else going on and figuring out the reason can be quite informative. If you just think about the negative, you may never find out the truth. Who is buying it, what are people using it for, what are advantages - and it is a mistake to assume only idiots are buying it. Even if that is the case, remember the adage that you can learn from anyone, even an idiot.

      I don't have one. I'm waiting to see what they do with V2.0. I'm thinking "why would I want one?" and I've been surprised that I have found a number of times where it could be useful.

    9. Re:Anger. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And it will sell as well as all of the other tablets that have been previously manufactured which MS has developed the software for. You guys really don't get why the iPad is selling, do you? It's because it doesn't have all of the crap that you think is "essential". The thing is, you guys are a very small market, populated by low-disposable-income types. You are not a particularly desirable demographic. As such, you'll be perfect for the bottom feeders that will supply you with cut-rate, crapola hardware coupled with a cut-rate, crapola OS that you both desire and so richly deserve. Have fun shopping at WalMart for it. Pick up a can of Pringles while you're there to make your experience complete.

      You really do wonders for the research last week that characterised iPad owners as selfish affluent types. :D

      Why do you put "essential" in quotes? I determine what I want from a device, not you. If I say I want to be able to manage file transfers and organization on a device before I buy it, then silly comments about why don't I pick up a can of pringles aren't going to make the device something I want.

      Your comment about a "cut-rate" device make no logical sense when I'm saying I want the device to have more features. Your comments about business users being a "very small market populated by low-disposable-income types" make even less sense.

      And the way you mock people when you suspect they might not have a lot of money doesn't suggest much nice about you.

      And for all the relevance it has to a discussion about market requirements for tablet form-factor devices, I'm not eating Pringles, right now. I'm eating a quiche.

      Relax a bit. There's room for more than one type of tablet in the world. It's not worth taking these things personally.

      Regards,
      H.

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    10. Re:Anger. by bonch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Windows disappeared, we could still run Win32 programs using WINE. If Office disappeared, we could still use OpenOffice. It wouldn't be as chaotic as you think.

      If Apple disappeared, the industry would be a lot more stagnant since they've been at the lead of nearly every trend since the original iMac. But Apple has never been interested in being everywhere. They're interested in being the best in a few areas.

    11. Re:Anger. by David+Rolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Complaining about tone is ad hominem. Address the argument:

      Are you willing to pay more money than the cost of an iPad for a device that is bigger, has worse battery life, runs windows and lets you manage your own synchronization?

      You can't just whinge that the market isn't serving you.

      The truth is, those devices have existed since the ThinkPad and still exist -- and yet you aren't saying you use or still use yours (never mind that the Newton was better by every metric that doesn't include running PhotoShop 3.5).

      E.g., I've had one of these for almost 20 years: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:710T

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  2. D'oh. by gorzek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, Microsoft is late to the party and Ballmer's pissed. Hey, Steve, your company has never been a trendsetter! Deal with it.

    I'm no Apple fan, but a company that can create markets out of thin air for products everyone else assumed would fail has to be doing something right.

  3. Quit playing catch up, innovate! by mini+me · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad is old news. Wired reported on the existence of the iPad way back in 1999. Why wasn't Microsoft working on their iPad-competior way back then? More importantly, why are they trying to play catch up now? Should they not be working on the next big thing?

    1. Re:Quit playing catch up, innovate! by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More importantly, why are they trying to play catch up now?

      They see Apple making monies, they want THOSE monies.

      Microsoft is a three year old child.

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  4. I don't want... by matt4077 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't want a "range", developed with "partners". MS has repeated that mistake so often now, expecting different results every time. isn't there a witty saying that defines insanity this way?

  5. And yet by Bertie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They killed the genuinely interesting-looking Courier before it ever got anywhere near production.

    Can't think why the vultures are circling over Ballmer, can you?

    1. Re:And yet by ultramk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing about Courier is that nobody ever saw it actually working: they just saw tech demos. In the tech demos, the stylus handwriting recognition was always perfect. Considering that we never once saw an on-screen keyboard in the demos, it appears that the handwriting recognition portion of the formula was crucial to the concept. What do you want to bet that it wasn't nearly as good as it was supposed to be? Can you say Newton? "Eat up Martha?"

      There was one other thing that made me think that perhaps it was less realistic than it first appeared: Battery life vs. weight. With both of those screens going all the time, that's two separate backlights sucking power. Either the weight would have to be a lot heavier than the iPad's (which is already heavier than I would like), or the battery life would be much worse.

      Remember: Lies, Damn lies, Statistics, and Tech Demos.

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  6. Playing catchup by ckhorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to be another "Johny come lately" attempt by Microsoft to catch up to Apple and Google. "Innovation" may be a big catchword these days by the large companies, but by making a competing project "job one urgency", it just underscore the fact that Microsoft is just trying to play a me-too game.

    I don't mind if Microsoft does well or not, but why do they actively choose not to actually innovate? Do they not understand that the success of search engines, phones, tablets, and everything else that they've been late to the market on is because...well, because they're late to the market.

    I simply don't understand why Microsoft doesn't get it. Innovating requires *new* ideas. Otherwise, they might as well be another Chinese second rate copy.

    1. Re:Playing catchup by al0ha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft has been playing catch-up with Apple since the day the Apple II launched. The only reason Apple didn't continually trounce Microsoft was due the ouster of Steve Jobs in 1985. Apple's board thought they were the big brains, but as everyone found, it was Steve all along.

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  7. From an iPad owner by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I own an iPad. It's nice for what it is, a media consumption device.

    What amazes me though is the time it's taking for viable alternatives. It wasn't in any way a surprise that Apple launched this. It wasn't a surprise that this would be a new market segment - netbooks had already shown demand for lower cost highly portable computing devices.

    I purchased the iPad for a specific function and it does its job well. However, I can see plenty of areas it could be improved. We're still waiting on multi-tasking. It has no camera a gaping hole in what would otherwise be a great device for grandparents to use for web/email and skype). No flash does limit some sites, and Safari is just okay, certainly not a great browser - you have to pay to get a browser that supports tabs!

    The email client seems cumbersome, and from a business user perspective, Microsoft could really make a killing from a similar form factor but with outlook. Outlook is, after all, still king in the corporate world.

    The competition needs to get in gear before the iPad becomes as entrenched as the iPod.

  8. Ballmer's phrasing is telling by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >they sold certainly more than I'd like them to sell

    Not "we'd like to sell more", not "we'd like to supply their software and participate in their success like we did with AppleSoft Basic and Mac Office".

    This is competitiveness in its pathological form, where the point isn't to win but instead to make sure others lose.

  9. Re:I don't get it. by monoqlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Because that's going to make far less money in the long run.'

    Is it? Microsoft has already basically conceded that Apple has won this round. As Apple very well knows from the early desktop days, once a competitor has a solid lead in the market share it is very, very difficult to get the market back. It seems like whatever Microsoft's offering for this market is, it's probably never going to be as popular as the iPad.

    Software is supposed to be Microsoft's main business, not hardware. Producing quality apps for the iPad as well as for various other portable devices that hopefully *other* people make, but which run Windows, would be their best bet, money wise. I haven't been able to see why, for some time now, Microsoft won't just focus on producing good products in one area (software) rather than producing shitty products in lots of areas.

  10. Re:I don't get it. by AtomicJake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft, why don't you just write some QUALITY software for the iPad instead of trying to go head on in competition? That way, the more iPads Apple sells, the more software you sell. It's win-win.

    But we, the consumers would lose. Without a healthy competition, there is no pressure to lower prices. And, there is no pressure to innovate on the existing iPad for Apple. So, yes, I would love to see many tablets - some with an Apple OS, some with Windows, and some with Android. What could be better than having the choice?

  11. Re:I don't get it. by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft, why don't you just write some QUALITY software

    Because that goes against everything they stand for.

    That way, the more iPads Apple sells, the more software you sell. It's win-win.

    NO! There is no win-win: the other guy has to lose! They MUST lose! You're not a winner unless someone else is hurting.

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  12. Re:I don't get it. by phoenixwade · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be honest, they're better off buying HTC, or releasing their own version of an Android tablet. They're far less likely to fuck it up if they do that,

    I disagree - in my opinion, they'd "Buy HTC" - move all the hardware to Windows mobile, and HTC will just be a memory.

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  13. Re:I hate unoriginal people like Ballmer by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS has not recently issued an new product. It's always me too.

    Replace "recently" with "ever" and your sentence is fixed.

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  14. Re:I don't get it. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Apple very well knows from the early desktop days, once a competitor has a solid lead in the market share it is very, very difficult to get the market back.

    Really? Ask Wordstar, Wordperfect, Lotus 1-2-3, dBaseIII, Netscape, and countless other companies what fat lot of good the early lead did for them?

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  15. Re:I don't get it. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Excellent list. I'd offer one even more profound example. Apple. The Apple II (combined with VisiCalc) redefined the personal computer from hobbyist novelty to must-have business tool. If anyone has had a front-row seat to how the industry works, it's Apple.

  16. Urgency is not the answer by Altus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Urgency is not going to produce a quality product. According to Jobs the iPad was in development before the iPhone, they have been waiting for technology to catch up the the design. They have spent serious time and money on both hardware and software design.

    You don't turn around and make a high quality product in 6 months, sure you might already have the core of the OS ready to go, but to develop the UI and the applications and come up with a consistent user experience takes time and effort, lots of it. If MS rushes to release a tablet in 6 months it will not be good. It will not likely even be good enough. Sure the people who want to be different might buy it, much like they bought the zune, but making a quality, easy to use product does not happen overnight.

    My professional career has been spent creating high end, end user software with a specialization in user interface design and development. Most developers consider this to be something that gets tacked on at the end but it is not and the iPad (and any competitor to the iPad) is more about the UI than anything else and trust me, the UI matters more to most users than just about anything else.

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  17. Re:Good luck with that. by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft will be successful with it just like they were successful with netbooks. They came into the game late with an inferior product, but used their position to push the hardware manufacturers and retailers to sell XP netbooks instead of Linux netbooks.

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  18. staring him in the face by SkunkPussy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In Microsoft's vision, slates will run a derivative of Windows 7."

    and therein lies the problem.

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  19. Re:Way way too late Ballmer by John+Whitley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even Gates wasn't fully on top of things BUT he was at least in the same ballpark.

    Note that MS under Gates' watch had successful (and ruthless) business practices to make sure that MS made heaping tons of money, even without being a major market innovator. It was often easier to let others innovate, then use a combination of financial might, second-mover advantage, and sometimes a bit 'o market leverage to move in and take over.

    I'm frankly a bit shocked at how much this news item echoes Ballmer's earlier pathetic whinging about iPod and then iPhone. It's unacceptable that a major corporate CEO should sound like such a broken record when the message being repeated is "failure!"

  20. Re:I don't get it. by smcdow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without a healthy competition, there is no pressure to lower prices.

    Healthy competition? What healthy competition? It certainly won't be in the form of Micro-Soft's rush-job tablets.

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  21. Re:Good luck with that. by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that a netbook interface is pretty much identical to a normal PCs interface, so Windows works "good enough" and is more familiar to most users. The traditional Windows paradigm does NOT work well in a touch-only, tablet interface. If they insist on using it, they will fail. It doesn't matter how much money they throw at it... look at the Zune.