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Intel's Superchilled Test Rig

Barence writes "Last week, PC Pro issued a challenge to see whose PC could render a 3D graphics benchmark in the shortest time. The competition was won by an entrant with a rather unfair advantage: Intel. The processor giant's superchilled rig is overclocked to nearly 5GHz. As PC Pro explains: 'The rig itself uses phase-change cooling: in other words it's attached to a chuffing great freezer, which I believe is the big box on the right of the photo. That yellow meter with the readout is showing the temperature of its output: yes, that's minus 40 degrees Celcius.'"

147 comments

  1. In a galaxy far, far away by PmanAce · · Score: 4, Funny

    Judging from that photo, we are still in the infancy of computing. The Millenium Falcon looks like that everywhere!

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    1. Re:In a galaxy far, far away by morari · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Down here in the hills of Ohio, we call it "briar-wired". Of course, I don't think the Kentuckians appreciate the term too much.

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    2. Re:In a galaxy far, far away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe the politically correct term now is "presidentially-engineered".

    3. Re:In a galaxy far, far away by Entropy98 · · Score: 1

      We call it Jimmy-Rigged
       
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    4. Re:In a galaxy far, far away by Curtman · · Score: 2, Funny

      -40 is superchilled? That's what we call "morning" from December through February here.

  2. the only question... by Aspenth · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...but can it run Crysis?

    1. Re:the only question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I hope AMD can.

    2. Re:the only question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      worn out meme is worn out.

    3. Re:the only question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, memes wear out YOU!

    4. Re:the only question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here too

  3. Nice by uncholowapo · · Score: 0, Funny

    Great way to whip out the high enterprise penis Intel.

  4. -40C by confused+one · · Score: 1

    No problem. I've got an environmental test chamber which I can use to bring the entire system to -40C. Had it at -75C last week; but, I don't think it could reach that temp with the heat load of a PC. Wonder what numbers I'd get.

    1. Re:-40C by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Informative

      -40C is also -40F ... so -40 it is

    2. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      then one might make the mistake of -40k

    3. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then one might make the mistake of -40k

      No. They wouldn't.

    4. Re:-40C by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      How cool can it get the CPU though? Afaict the CPU usually runs quite a bit hotter than the surrounding air.

      Also I wonder how the rest of the PC would survive those temperatures.

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    5. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think, if they're stupid enough to make that mistake, they probably don't even know what the Kelvin scale is.

      I was going to respond saying that some people are pretty damn stupid, but then I realized this. It makes me sad.

    6. Re:-40C by by+(1706743) · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Negative Kelvin is actually possible...

    7. Re:-40C by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      -40k ?

    8. Re:-40C by arose · · Score: 1

      But 'k' isn't it.

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    9. Re:-40C by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Sort of.

    10. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ultra cold freezers in molecular biology and chemistry labs typically operate below -80 deg. C (usually -85 or -86): why hasn't someone overclocked a computer in one of those? You'll find at least a dozen on any given large University campus. -40 deg. C can't even keep CO2 solid... lame.

    11. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it doesn't mean what you think it does. From the very article you just linked to:

      Temperatures that are expressed as negative numbers on the familiar Celsius or Fahrenheit scales are simply colder than the zero points of those scales. By contrast, a system with a truly negative temperature is not colder than absolute zero; in fact, temperatures colder than absolute zero are impossible by definition.

      There you have it.

    12. Re:-40C by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      If dry ice temperatures are low enough, then you can use dry ice in acetone for cooling.

    13. Re:-40C by BlitzTech · · Score: 1

      Acetone will dissolve most of the plastics in computers, and the dry ice/acetone combo only keeps the acetone at CO2's sublimation point of -78C. Not to mention the need for liquid pump system to carry the heated acetone away adds more heat relative to the ventilation fan you'd need in an ultracold freezer.

    14. Re:-40C by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      that's change in energy/temperature, not stable temperature it's running at. It's like I have a 5 litres of water and I take out 2 litres and say the change is -2 litres of water. That's not how much I have though.

    15. Re:-40C by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      We are only trying to reach -40. and as long as solid dry ice is present the temp will be maintained below that.
      My cpu is in a ceramic case.
      Make a frustrated pyramid with the bottom a heat sink to press against the cpu, and the top closed enough to stop spills but not gas tight. Add styrofoam on the sides to stop frost.
      No pump is needed IMO.
      If having solvent near plastic is not acceptable, then apply cooling to recirculating air. The motor and bearings of the fan can be external to the airflow.
      An experiment carried out without attached computer, and then with a heat source to see how it behaves would be a good idea.

    16. Re:-40C by nickersonm · · Score: 1

      No, it's actually negative temperature. It can occur in systems that have a limit to their possible entropy (number of configurations), where high temperature (simplified: disorder) leads to an equal population of states.

      An example would be excited vs. unexcited states of atoms in a lasing medium - a finite number of states with a finite number of configurations means a finite maximum entropy. If one were to heat it towards infinite temperature, the states would become equally populated (maximum possible disorder, or number of configurations). During lasing operation, though, most of the states would be in the higher energy configuration, thus the overall system would be "hotter" (more energetic) than infinite temperature, but actually have less entropy. This is negative temperature; the scale wraps around because of the way temperature is defined with relation to the energy and entropy of a system.

    17. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. You're always making assumptions like that. I really don't like you, when you do that. In fact, I don't like you at all. Why can't you be more like me. It bothers me just to be near you.
          Signed,
                Kelvin.

    18. Re:-40C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A substance with a negative temperature is not colder than absolute zero, but rather it is hotter than infinite temperature.

      *head explodes*

    19. Re:-40C by confused+one · · Score: 1

      And therein lies the problem. I did the post kind of tongue-in-cheek. I do thermal tests of instrumentation boards all the time. The system would be at -40 and the board might survive; but, some capacitors on the board might stop functioning. The processor is an interesting problem: Since I'm not directly cooling the cpu I'd have to use an air cooler which brings it's own problems. Without re-plumbing the chamber to supply a cold head, the cpu temp would probably be 30 or 40 degrees above the chamber temp. Even if I tried to crank the chamber to below -75C and put the air cooler in the path of the cold air, immediately after the evaporator, I'd still not see -40 at the cpu; and, at those temperatures you'd start to have problems with the other components on the boards.

  5. Correction by Alsee · · Score: 5, Funny

    That yellow meter with the readout is showing the temperature of its output: yes, that's minus 40 degrees celcius.

    Correction, it's minus 40 degrees fahrenheit.

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    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Man, everyone else who replied to this comment is a fucking idiot. Stop trying to prove someone else wrong and just get the obvious joke.

    2. Re:Correction by Tridus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This post deserves bonus points for getting so many people to reply while totally missing the joke.

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    3. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

      Biggest chuckle I've had for a while on /. Only surpassed by the replies.

    4. Re:Correction by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mod parent Swoosh!

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    5. Re:Correction by seeker_1us · · Score: 0, Redundant
      C=5/9*(F-32)

      9C=5(F-32)

      where does C=F=X?

      9x=5x-160

      4x=-160

      x=-40

    6. Re:Correction by nacturation · · Score: 1

      The post is practically trolling for stupid people.

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    7. Re:Correction by m50d · · Score: 1

      It's only obvious if you care enough about archaic measurement systems to know

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  6. AMD by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Any AMD stats for comparison?

    1. Re:AMD by TheEyes · · Score: 1

      Sorry; AMD can't afford a freezer.

    2. Re:AMD by Threni · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to one of the comments (about AMD winning $1B+ from Intel) they can afford a fairly substantial freezer...

    3. Re:AMD by TheEyes · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm aware; I've actually invested in some 2012 call options on AMD stock. Even as-is they should be worth $10 a share. If Bobcat can make them competitive in the ultraportable market (Android on ARM is going to eat Intel's lunch in the netbook-level arena; x86's crufty instruction set can't compete at that low level), and/or Bulldozer makes them competitive in the mid- to high-end desktop market, that should go up to $13-15, easy. It is a hell of a gamble, though; they're still almost a full processor node behind Intel, and that's hard to compete with.

    4. Re:AMD by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is what AMD was doing last year with liquid helium, which would put the temp at about 5 degrees Kelvin (about -450 degrees Fahrenheit) and running at 7 giga-hertz

      Here is an AMD news blurb
      http://eon.businesswire.com/portal/site/eon/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20091105006606&newsLang=en

      And a nifty video
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Hf6d404QY&f=22

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    5. Re:AMD by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Riiight. Just like the x86's "crufty" instruction set couldn't compete in the scientific computing/HPC domain. Oh, wait... I think you'll find Moorestown already proves you wrong, and Medfield will prove you completely wrong. ARM is (and will be for a long time) dominant in the low end embedded market in terms of power/performance, but it's being threatened from above as the Atom chips get more and more integrated.

    6. Re:AMD by evilbessie · · Score: 1

      IIRC some 'clever' people once used up 150l of liquid Helium to run an AMD Phenom II at something ridiculous like 6.5GHz.

    7. Re:AMD by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I do remember the days when they said x86 couldn't compete with the RISC chips (alpha/mips/etc..)

      The reality is that (A) all processors offer instruction forms that are rarely used, and (B) complex instruction sets increase code density as long as the common ones are short. (C) extensive amounts of registers arent all that useful in most circumstances because most long term data has to be written back to memory anyways.

      The read/modify/write instructions are often the best instructions to use these days on x86 because of code density. Instruction scheduling isnt nearly as important as it once was, so RISCifying your x86 assembler code is often a mistake.

      Both CISC and RISC have their pro's and con's.

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    8. Re:AMD by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      It's a minor nit-pick I know, but with a background in Physics I can't help myself - it's not "degrees Kelvin", it's just "Kelvin",.

  7. I'ld rather have a recently-fabricated HP Alpha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of all this Intel and AMD nonsence.

    SO many better computing architectures, that
    are more power-efficient, and no anti-trust
    is being pursued.

    I would rather have a fab'-shrunk recent Alpha
    processor at around 1.4GHz from the 21364b branch
    than tolerate another frying-pan processor from
    Intel or AMD.

    I'm typing this on a Sun UltraSPARC iii processor-
    based system, BTW. Both Sun's SPARC and HP's DEC/Alpha
    are recently using RAMBUS technology for superior bandwidth
    and latency that is licensed by both JEDEC and Rambus.

    IBM's Power architecture is just too expensive, yet here I
    have this 3-year old technology that I'm using and it's
    quality-made to last another 10 years like how all the old
    386 and 486 computers do, and it fits in a 1U and 2U Rackmount
      unlike even Intel's hardware.

  8. in Soviet Russia by FuckingNickName · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:in Soviet Russia by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shame that it's no longer winter.

  9. under 60 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    user@system:~/src/smallpt$ time ./smallpt 100
    Rendering (100 spp) 100.00%
    real 0m49.354s
    user 6m5.160s
    sys 0m0.250s

    Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5530 @ 2.40GHz (quad-core)
    12GiB ram

    and of course, Linux powered. but, just because, i've also got a concurrent VMWare XP workstation running in the background.
    And firefix, and thunderbird, and pidgin....

    i'm currently building the 5000 point scene, so i'll followup with those numbers in about 75% more time.

    1. Re:under 60 seconds? by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

      Dammit, /., i'm logged in. why did you post me as AC?

      Sigh.

      Whatever.

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    2. Re:under 60 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. doesn't like cats with hepatitis who wield AK-47s.

    3. Re:under 60 seconds? by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

      user@system:~/src/smallpt$ time ./smallpt 5000
      Rendering (5000 spp) 100.00%
      real 38m55.591s
      user 301m41.140s
      sys 0m5.950s

      38m isn't too shabby, i guess.

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    4. Re:under 60 seconds? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      so, is it multi-threaded? because it seems to use 1-4 cores max, from the benchmark numbers i see....

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    5. Re:under 60 seconds? by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      time ./smallpt 100
      Rendering (100 spp) 100.00%
      real 0m54.164s
      user 3m33.343s
      sys 0m0.083s

      Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz (quad)
      4GB RAM
      2.6.35-rc6-rc
      Arch Linux

      With spotify, chromium, a few terminals, KDE and ark also running.

    6. Re:under 60 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you think someone cares?

    7. Re:under 60 seconds? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      [user@system] ~ $ time ./smallpt 5000
      Rendering (5000 spp) 100.00%
      real 16m28.799s
      user 262m48.590s
      sys 0m2.280s :)

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    8. Re:under 60 seconds? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      It most certainly is multithreaded, I have it using 16 cores at once on one of the machines I have access to.

      In fact, if you look at the code you might not see at first how exactly it's threaded. That's because it's using OpenMP, which it turns out is an absurdly easy and concise way of parallelizing code. Check out this for more info on using OpenMP with gcc, it is really slick stuff.

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  10. Re:IS THAT IN CELCIUS OR AMERICAN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    40c

    The c stands for COMMUNIST!

    40f

    The f stands for Fuck Yeah!

  11. Big advantage? by leachlife4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Phase change cooling is not really that extreme of a cooling system for benchmarking... go to Quakecon you will see quite a few people with it.
    LN2 (or even better liquid He) on the other hand could be considered an unfair advantage.

    1. Re:Big advantage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      no a really big advantage would be putting the entire rig in a satalite sat in the earths shadow out in the void with a massive superconductor heat sink spreading the heat across 2 or 3 kilometers for really low temps and just beaming the results back via a micro wave trasmiter powerful enough to melt the icecaps... at least that how the borg would do it....

    2. Re:Big advantage? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      I think they just meant unfair in that it was Intel doing it. First that means they can put whatever funds they like to the challenge. A normal user has limits but Intel could spend an effectively unlimited amount if they so chose. Second they can pick the processor. Maybe this is just a random EE of the shelf, or maybe he tested a bunch and found the best. Intel does make them, after all. Finally Intel's engineers probalby know about the limits and how to reach them better than anyone else.

    3. Re:Big advantage? by mat128 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you read TFA (but this is /.), it says he used a retail processor. He was also limited to a single-socket solution, which means no multi-sockets server boards.

    4. Re:Big advantage? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Liquid helium's not better. Your primary problem at that point is not how low of a temperature you can achieve, but maintaining the temperature while the object you're cooling is producing such large amounts of heat. Liquid nitrogen has a better heat capacity than liquid helium (and is enormously cheaper), so it's going to work better.

    5. Re:Big advantage? by 15Bit · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure i'd class Liq He as an advantage. Having worked with it i'd call it a pain in the arse, and totally unsuitable for computer cooling. Low heat capacity and insanely low temp mean it has to be transported and stored in large, very well insulated containers, so it lacks the easy mobility of liq N2. Transferring liq He from one container to another also requires some skill if you don't want to evaporate the whole lot during transfer.

      Oh, did i mention it gives you splendid burns too.

    6. Re:Big advantage? by eeCyaJ · · Score: 1

      That's no moon. It's a Beowulf Cluster.

  12. Beated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my non-overclocked 1055T (stock HSF) it took 44 seconds.

    1. Re:Beated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was 5.1x faster than my desktop Dual 3ghz Conroe system. Part of the performance difference may be due to the desktop running 32bit whereas the hexacore machine runs 64bit OS.

    2. Re:Beated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you still running x64!!???

    3. Re:Beated by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The pcpro smallpt distro is a 32-bit application and uses the 32-bit version of OpenMP.

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    4. Re:Beated by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      How big is that overclock?

      PCPro's $1000 6-core i7 980 Extreme (which is stock 3.33ghz) took 73 seconds.

      My $200 6-core Phenom II 1055T (overclocked to 3.34ghz) took 188 seconds.

      Your $200 6-core Phenom II 1055T took 44 seconds.

      Thats a big assed difference. I was using the same executable as PCPro (the Win32 version of smallpt)

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  13. I'm buying real-estate on Pluto by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    it will be the happening place for gamers.

    1. Re:I'm buying real-estate on Pluto by Arbition · · Score: 1

      Assuming it has air... Otherwise, why not in an interstellar void, or even better, intergalactic. Bring on the massiveo heatsinks please, we have a lot of radiating to do.

    2. Re:I'm buying real-estate on Pluto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Space, no one can hear your CPU fan scream.

    3. Re:I'm buying real-estate on Pluto by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      Available energy would also be a concern. Diddly squat for solar and I don't really see there being either local fuel or oxidizers.

    4. Re:I'm buying real-estate on Pluto by tangent · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the ping time is a real bitch.

  14. Actually a Bugatti Veyron engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It measures it's clock speed in horse power and "FP" units refers to Foot Pounds of torque. If you floor it the Veyron Renderer can render the movie "Up" in under an hour but it'll drain it's fuel tank in 17 minutes flat out. Bugatti is working on a new Veyron hybrid renderer that can render your project on your way home from work. The difficult part will be explaining to the cop that you had to do 240 mph in a 25 mph zone because you had a deadline and needed the shots rendered.

    1. Re:Actually a Bugatti Veyron engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wut

    2. Re:Actually a Bugatti Veyron engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolwut cool story bro

  15. Psh, only 29sec here by Fry-kun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    on a 2x6core server at work ;)

    [xxxx@xxxx smallpt]$ time ./smallpt 100
    Rendering (100 spp) 100.00%
    real 0m29.127s
    user 5m41.044s
    sys 0m0.093s

    P.S. and compiling didn't take me hours, either, since I'm on Linux

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    1. Re:Psh, only 29sec here by somenickname · · Score: 1

      He must have forgotten to turn on optimization (or the MS compiler is *that* bad at optimizing). Even my lowly 2.5Ghz Core2 Duo T9300 renders this in 2m10s on Linux. Core for core, that makes my 2.5 year old laptop chip nearly twice as fast as his i7 980X.

    2. Re:Psh, only 29sec here by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      If you RTFA you'll see they intentionally limited the Intel guy to 1 socket. What fun would it be if he ran it on an 8-way server in the lab that you couldn't even buy in real life?

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  16. 4.94 GHz at 1.62V!!! by fontkick · · Score: 2

    Insane voltage... the 980 is rated up to 1.375V. I'm happy with a i7-860 @ 3.6 GHz running on 1.2V.

    Intel's made upgrading much more fun considering you can get a 30-40% CPU speed increase in about 10 minutes of research and bios tweaking. Next fall there will be 8-core/16-threads on the desktop. I am loving Intel these days.

  17. Editing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    minus 40 degrees celcius

    There are two mistakes in there...

    1. Re:Editing? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I had to use this.

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  18. Getting colder... by sznupi · · Score: 5, Funny

    For extra effect, they should put Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" there; also recently frozen.

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  19. February in Ottawa by rueger · · Score: 1

    So let me understand this. They cool the thing down an average winter temperature in half of Canada, and it's a big deal?

    Already I see thousands of gamers running cables out their bedroom windows and leaving their rigs in the snowbank outside.

    1. Re:February in Ottawa by Shados · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't get to -40C very frequently in most of the populated (well, more than small villages anyway) regions of canada :). -35 happens, but its far from an average, unless you live all the way north in the middle of nowhere or in the territories.

    2. Re:February in Ottawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or Calgary / Edmonton.... fuck, who builds cities where it can get that cold? retards, that's who.

    3. Re:February in Ottawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the only way to keep the idiots at bay.

    4. Re:February in Ottawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to Saskatchewan, you guys are spoiled out in Ottawa. -35 with the windchill is pretty common here. ;-)

  20. You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by HiggsBison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Nearly 5GHz". The whole point here that everyone seems to be missing is that they made something go more than 1000 times as fast as the original 4.77 MHz IBM PC.

    Now if they could give it 640MB of memory and a 110MB floppy drive...

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    1. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Korin43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's interesting is that 5 Ghz isn't all that impressive a number anymore. People have gotten i5's to 5 Ghz on air.

    2. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by gandhi_2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's interesting is that someone has a job where they can just go grab the latest and greatest intel chip whenever they want to, for free.

    3. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if they could give it 640MB of memory and a 110MB floppy drive...

      Sorry, I think they used up all their duct tape.

    4. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what, do you post this every time you see "5 Ghz"?

    5. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Nearly 5GHz". The whole point here that everyone seems to be missing is that they made something go more than 1000 times as fast as the original 4.77 MHz IBM PC.

      Well, only if you're referring to the clock speed. In terms of raw processing speed (by any reasonable benchmark), they're likely *significantly* more than 1000 times faster, since clock speed refers simply to the number of cycles per second, and doesn't account for how much work can be done per cycle.

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    6. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be silly... nobody could *ever* need more than 640*KB* of memory. :-P

    7. Re:You are missing the SECRET AGENDA! by Bobnova · · Score: 1

      5ghz is absolutely nothing in the benchmarking world. 980x cpus can generally reach 6ghz cooled by liquid nitrogen, some are close to 7ghz. Single Stage Phase Change cooling (what is pictured) is used by many to rough in an overclock and get familiar with a given chip, but few people use it for their final results as it doesn't get nearly cold enough. Dry ice gets closer, but nothing beats LN2 for 980x cpus.
      This is really not very impressive.

  21. Wow... by Sack · · Score: 1

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!

  22. Re:I'ld rather have a recently-fabricated HP Alpha by mat128 · · Score: 1

    RAMBUS is dead. I remember the old days where you could get a Pentium 4 that used RAMBUS. This shit was always overrated and super expansive. I knew people who had 128MB of RAMBUS (and you had to buy this shit in pair too) who wanted to upgrade to something descent for the times, like 1G. They ended up getting a whole new computer for the price they would have paid for their RAMBUS, and their new computer was much faster than their old one.
    Also, Intel EPSD does server stuff. Check it out.

  23. Screw yer Giga-hurts nonsense! by sherpajohn · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am more interested a a FPU (food processing unit) than a CPU - how long to render Natalie Portman in hot grits?

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  24. -40C is superchilled?! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Dudes, don't visit the north of Canada in the middle of winter!

    1. Re:-40C is superchilled?! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Well, it's 60C colder than what I've got in winter here.

    2. Re:-40C is superchilled?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not winter until it's under zero celsius.

    3. Re:-40C is superchilled?! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I'm not quite in the tropics so it's winter even if it never gets below zero C.

  25. Windows optimizations by tomz16 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is something seriously wrong with the optimizations in his windows binary...

    Ran in 36 seconds on a 4 x 8224 SE AMD opteron IBM x-server running linux (8 total cores at 3.2GHz)

     

    1. Re:Windows optimizations by illumin8 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why would you assume that? The engineer from Intel was limited to using a single socket system. I could argue that there is something seriously wrong with your Linux compiled binary since you have 4x as many sockets and ran less than twice as fast.

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    2. Re:Windows optimizations by tomz16 · · Score: 2

      Why would you assume that? The engineer from Intel was limited to using a single socket system. I could argue that there is something seriously wrong with your Linux compiled binary since you have 4x as many sockets and ran less than twice as fast.

      and I could argue that you are flat out wrong
      - Intel has 6 cores on the latest architecture running at 5Ghz
      - I had 8 cores that are now 1 generation old, running at 3.2GHz, with slower memory (and cores are a little slower clock-for-clock than the i7)

      but most importantly :
      - most posts from similar hardware show that the people using a linux binary are *several times* faster on identical hardware

      It's pretty clear that the author SERIOUSLY messed up the compilation on windows (also betrayed by the fact that it took him several hours of futzing with visual studio in order to get it to work)

    3. Re:Windows optimizations by Orestesx · · Score: 1

      I have replicated your result, 252 seconds in windows, ubuntu VM with access to 4 cores gives the following for Phenom II X4 965 @3.4: sean@sean-ubuntu-2:~/Desktop/smallpt$ time ./smallpt 100 Rendering (100 spp) 100.00% real 1m22.444s user 5m22.656s sys 0m1.688s And yes the images are the same. I agree that windows optimizations are messed up. AMD users fret not.

    4. Re:Windows optimizations by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      It's pretty clear that the author SERIOUSLY messed up the compilation on windows (also betrayed by the fact that it took him several hours of futzing with visual studio in order to get it to work)

      I'm not sure that it is all that clear. My initial though was that the PC Pro author didn't port the Unix code properly. But there are issues reported with the code on AIX, and I am running into performance issues on SPARC/Solaris with the source code AS IS compiled with both GCC (4.3.2) and Sun Studio. It may be that something about the smallpt source code is preventing the Microsoft compiler from fully optimizing the code. Or the problem may lie with the OpenMP implementations on these platforms. On Solaris, for example, the process never fully utilizes all of the CPU cores.

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    5. Re:Windows optimizations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that the Intel's hyperthreading allows it to run 2 threads per core, so you're also technically out-threaded, if not out-cored.

      I love the GP's idea of ignoring the actual hardware and just counting sockets, though. Apparently my dual PIII from ages back also out beat out the winner of the contest ;).

  26. Real Story: Windows Benchmark is Slow by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The posts from users running Linux on the forum are showing times that are 4-5x faster than those posting benchmarks from Windows. What's going on there?

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    1. Re:Real Story: Windows Benchmark is Slow by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 1

      Differences in compilers? I'm also curious.

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    2. Re:Real Story: Windows Benchmark is Slow by illumin8 · · Score: 0

      The posts from users running Linux on the forum are showing times that are 4-5x faster than those posting benchmarks from Windows. What's going on there?

      If you RTFA you'll see the Intel engineer was asked by his coworkers that challenged him to do this benchmark using only a single socket system. What you have are Linux geeks with 2 way or 4 way servers that want to start a dick measuring contest.

      I would say a 5 ghz. overclock is pretty damn impressive. If someone wants to put up a benchmark from Linux on their single socket system that beats his 50 second benchmark, I would be equally impressed. Putting up a result from your 4 CPU server that is only 10 seconds faster just makes you look pathetic.

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  27. This is like trying to hold a contest by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Of who can blow up a rack of PCs into the smallest size pieces.

    And having the US military unexpectedly enter into the contest, using a tactical nuke to blow up the rack, for their entry in the contest

    You know... for PR... to bolster recruitment rates.

    .

    Same difference... AMD could probably best Intel, if they spent more money on a rig of their own. I think it kind of defeats the point to have large corporations with massive resources the average high-end user could barely dream of seeing in person participate in contests like this

    1. Re:This is like trying to hold a contest by The+boojum · · Score: 1

      It's not as though they're competing for a prize here. It's just a friendly competition. You're free to ignore their result and focus on the rest if you like.

      Personally, I find this kind of thing interesting as far as seeing what's possible, even if it's not exactly practical.

  28. Weird by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    I can hardly think at all at that temperature, let alone faster.

  29. Re:I'ld rather have a recently-fabricated HP Alpha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus, tell me you're joking. If not, this blathering nonsense might be the silliest thing I've read here today, and I think you might have some kind of mental health issue.

  30. OS X Compile? by appleguru · · Score: 1

    I tried to compile and run this on OS X (SL, 10.6.4, gcc 4.2.1). I downloaded the .tar.gz from http://kevinbeason.com/smallpt/, and ran make (which runs g++ with compile flags of -O3 -fopenmp...). It compiled fine. Running it gives a Bus Error though.. any ideas?

    1. Re:OS X Compile? by JimR · · Score: 1

      One of the comments on the smallpt page recommends adding the following line:

      if (depth > 100) return obj.e;

      after line 55 in the code to prevent a stack overflow.

      It seems to do the trick for me.

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    2. Re:OS X Compile? by JimR · · Score: 1

      And FWIW compiling with:

      g++-fsf-4.4 smallpt.cpp -o smallpt -O3 -fopenmp -ffast-math -m64 -march=native -ftree-parallelize-loops=8 -funroll-all-loops

      gives a runtime for smallpt 100 of 2m31s for my MacBook ("Early 2008" model).

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  31. They're... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheating ba***rds!

  32. Poor code for a benchmark by hvdh · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had a 30 minute look at the source code. It's clearly optimized for shortness, not for speed.
    There are some obvious performance no-gos, see lines 44-45, using a double variable as a loop counter.
    Performance depends to a good extent on the erand48 implementation and whether OpenMP knows that erand48 is MT-safe.

    1. Re:Poor code for a benchmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With just doing g++ and minimal options, it took me around 2 and a half minutes on my Core i7 920. Playing around with some compiler flags (I'm guessing SSE can REALLY help here), I got that down to 45s.

    2. Re:Poor code for a benchmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this I don't even...
      Why in the world is that loop counter a double? I feel like I'm not understanding the code, because I can't see any obvious benefit from it. Can anyone explain?

  33. Light speed limit by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Clock speed has reached the ultimate physical limit, light speed.

    If you take a measuring tape to a motherboard and do some math, you'll see that once we got past a few GHz there's no way a bit can go from one chip to the other within one clock cycle.

    The result of that is that chips need local caches and pipelines, etc, until the complexity starts digging into the performance. And power consumption skyrockets.

  34. Still not good enough... by PFritz21 · · Score: 1

    And yet, this system still couldn't run StarCraft II without melting the graphics card...

  35. Not cool by supermariosd · · Score: 1

    Cheating on a benchmark test given is NOT cool, no matter what the temperature of the machine.

  36. Priority? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Task Manager, Right-click process, set priority to realtime?

    Just a guess.

    Maybe there's some way to do it on the command-line too. Either that, or the Express version of the compiler doesn't optimize as well. Maybe they built a debug version.

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  37. very thoughtful by stumblingblock · · Score: 1

    very thoughtful of them to choose -40 degrees, so those favoring Celsius AND Fahrenheit will understand.

  38. Re:I'ld rather have a recently-fabricated HP Alpha by Khyber · · Score: 1

    they made single-stick + terminator blank pairs. I ever only had one RAMBUS RAM stick.

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  39. Warhammer -40K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the joyful future of Warhammer -40K, there is only peace.

  40. The windows is so much slower because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The code relies on linux's erand behavior in the radiance function
    " if (++depth>5) if (erand48(Xi)

    5) if (erand48(Xi)

    5) ireturn obj.e; //R.R." I don't see much difference in image quality, and it's much faster now.

    But still, the results are still not comparable. If you want comparable results, paste linux's erand function in the code and compile it under visual studio.

    1. Re:The windows is so much slower because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? It looked okay in preview... i will snip code.

      The code relies on linux's erand behavior in the radiance function.
      The erand's seed from freebsd gives larger results much later (there are many more iterations) and sometimes - never (this results in stack overflow). So this code will have problem on mac os, free bsd and possibly other systems.

      Solution: change the if with depth increment in the radiance function to always execute return if depth is larger than 5. I don't see much difference in image quality, and it's much faster now.

      But still, the results are still not comparable. If you want comparable results, paste linux's erand function in the code and compile it under visual studio.

    2. Re:The windows is so much slower because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great catch. You can swap out erand48 for Boost Random constructs to get good performance out of Windows/Solaris/AIX/Linux. Though even Boost's fastest PRNG is not as fast and the one used by GNU C erand48(). Still, it gives a good 1:1 comparison.

  41. What ... by sigmoid_balance · · Score: 1

    ... Swedish motherfucker, do you speak it? It's Celsius(https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Anders_Celsius), not Celcius.