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Geek Squad Sends Cease-and-Desist Letter To God Squad

An anonymous reader writes "A Wisconsin priest has God on his car but Best Buy's lawyers on his back. Father Luke Strand at the Holy Family Parish in Fond Du Lac says he has received a cease-and-desist letter from the electronics retailer. From the article: 'At issue is Strand's black Volkswagen Beetle with door stickers bearing the name "God Squad" in a logo similar to that of Best Buy's Geek Squad, a group of electronics troubleshooters. Strand told the Fond du Lac Reporter that the car is a creative way to spur discussion and bring his faith to others. Best Buy Co. tells the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that it appreciates what Strand is trying to do, but it's bad precedent to let groups violate its trademarks.'"

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  1. Logo by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.i4u.com/37852/omg-geek-squad-wants-sue-priest The priests logo. And we all know what Geek Squad logo looks like.

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    1. Re:Logo by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      And we all know what Geek Squad logo looks like.

      I was just going to post the same thing. Looking through 12 pages of "geek squad" images, I don't see any images that Best Buy uses that could be confused with this one.

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    2. Re:Logo by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Geek Squad colors are reversed. Orange up top black on bottom. I can see how this would be infringing.

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    3. Re:Logo by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Geek Squad colors are reversed. Orange up top black on bottom.

      Does that mean that Geek Squad is Satanic?

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    4. Re:Logo by morari · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, Best Buy isn't mad eup of Satanists. They appreciate what he's trying to do.

      Best Buy Co. tells the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that it appreciates what Strand is trying to do, but it's bad precedent to let groups violate its trademarks.

      That just gives me yet another reason to not shop at Best Buy. Never mind they annoying and idiotic employees, they appreciate evangelists!

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    5. Re:Logo by Coren22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe there is also an exception to a different line of business. It would be quite a stretch to say this religious man is any way trying to claim to work on breaking computers. Just as Apple Records was unable to win out against Apple Computers because Apple Computers was not in the music business, Best Buy is in the overcharging and breaking computers business, and this guy is in the religious business. Unless Best Buy is looking at expanding into religion...God help us all...

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    6. Re:Logo by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hold on a second, doesn't the type of service being offered play a factor as well? Unless this pastor offers a service where he comes into your home, searches for porn images on your computer, and then passes those images around to his buddies, I don't think there's a case for infringement here.

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    7. Re:Logo by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah the logo is similar but parodies have been ruled as protected speech by the Supreme Court. Best Buy's lawsuit would get thrown-out.

      Normally I'd say "Fuck you Best Buy," but I think "Smite thee!" might be more appropriate. It is unwise to mess with the Creator of the universe. Even megacorps are not that powerful.

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    8. Re:Logo by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Informative

      He might be able to get away with 'God Squad' but he still needs a new logo.

    9. Re:Logo by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would be quite a stretch to say this religious man is any way trying to claim to work on breaking computers.

      I don't know... Listening to some of the expletives around the office, I believe many people are invoking the help of a deity in hopes that their computer issues don't wreak havoc on the work they've done so far.

    10. Re:Logo by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but you have to remember that God is just a 'creator of the universe' impersonator. And He is the one who is really unwise to mess with the Creator.

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    11. Re:Logo by Zeek40 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is that Best Buy needs to send him a Cease and Desist when they become aware of possible infringement or they waive their rights to assert the trademarks in other cases. It's not that they want to be dicks to that particular guy, it's that if they let him get away with it, they lose their right to assert trademark infringement in future cases. The Icons and VW Bug thing are close enough that no reasonable person would say it's not derivative of Geek Squad's logos, so if they let him get away with it they have to let everyone get away with it. There is significant legal precedent that non-asserted trademarks are not valid trademarks. It's much safer for them to just send this guy a C&D than to have a different, real trademark infringement case a year down the road where the defense claims that Geek Squad was aware of other trademark violations that they took no action to end those violations, therefore their trademark claim should be thrown out.

    12. Re:Logo by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Interesting

      GM got into some trouble when they named a Chevy a "Beretta". The armorer of the same name took them to court for cheapening the brand but the resulting out of court settlement was more symbolic than anything else. Perhaps the gun maker realized that it was bringing ridicule on itself when "Car and Driver" did a head-to-head comparison of the two Berettas, finding a pistol had better acceleration, but the coupe had more passenger room.

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    13. Re:Logo by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Best Buy could do the right thing and still protect their trademark by offering to license his usage for a token fee like $1.

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    14. Re:Logo by russotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trademarks only apply in specific markets.

      Nope; there's a winner-take-all clause. If you can demonstrate that your mark is famous (and the Geek Squad mark might be), you can control it in all markets. It's a horrible law (like much of copyright, trademark, and patent law), but it's there.

    15. Re:Logo by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be infringing a trademark, there has to be a chance that it would be confusing; that someone would confuse the priest's product with best buy's. They have to be in the same line of business.

      To be diluting a trademark, the mark is famous, the holder has exclusive use, the counterparty's use has to detract from or devalue the mark, and it can't be a protected use. (For example: a Journalist is allowed to discuss indicate, criticize, or publish 'unwanted' material and refer to the relevant trademarks when doing so. Coca Cola's trademark of the name Coke cannot be used to prevent journalists from discussing a problem or health risk found with Coke, according to someone's study, or prevent people from identifying their product in literature, or even satire/parody.)

      Best Buy doesn't have exclusive use of the name "Squad", or of the colors black and Orange with the use of the word Squad. So there's no exclusive use that's being taken away.

      Unless Best Buy also plans to send cease and decist letters to Oregon State next, over their Orange and Black "Cheerleading squad"

      And others.....

    16. Re:Logo by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Funny

      and in some cases prayer may work better than geek squad

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    17. Re:Logo by Zeek40 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but then they become affiliated with a particular religious organization and most businesses do not want to do that.

    18. Re:Logo by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Geek squad goes around ostensibly fixing computers, but they can't fix a soul.

      Or a computer.

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    19. Re:Logo by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah! Just like we hope that Santa or the Easter Bunny doesn't notice us.

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    20. Re:Logo by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure they are- its just that all the profit goes to the priests instead of to shareholders. Have you seen how fucking rich some of those evangelical preachers are? Or the Vatican for that matter?

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  2. Parody? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can't he claim this is a parody of Geek Squad cars? IANAL so I dunno how this works.

    1. Re:Parody? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nah, doesn't apply because it's not ironic, and it's not targeted at the Geek Squad.

      If you did a car that looked like the geek squad car, with a logo that was the same except it said, "Week Squad" and ran around fixing peoples computers with a sledgehammer, and filming it...THAT would be parody.

      Or in this case, if these people ran around praying over peoples computers and did it specifically to make fun of the Geek Squad, that would be legit.

      Having the same logo on a legitimate enterprise isn't protected by parody/freedom of expression laws.

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    2. Re:Parody? by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IANAL, but AFAIK parody requires the work to be a commentary on the original work. God Squad would have to be about Geek Squad in a substantial way. Also, they would have to use a minimal amount of protected material, and certain other thresholds.

      Satire does not require a work to be a commentary on the original work. God Squad could be about anything, and be re-appropriating Geek Squad material for humorous effect. But Satire is not protected in this country in the same way that Parody is.

  3. Ugh by jschmitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know which "squad" is more f____g annoying.............

  4. In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Best Buy lawyer struck by lightning.

  5. unfair competition by grapeape · · Score: 4, Funny

    They were probably just worried that "prayer" might prove more effective than the typical geek squad employee and cut into business.

    1. Re:unfair competition by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a tech, I find that prayer is often a tool in my methodology when working with windows...

    2. Re:unfair competition by IICV · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, you hafta recite the Chant of Damnation* at least once every time you go through the Ritual of Restarting in order to appease the machine spirit.

      Failure to do so is the leading cause of bluescreens (little known fact!)

      *You know, the one that goes "Damn Windows, damn Microsoft, damn Gates...."

  6. Srsly? by sammysheep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If he isn't selling anything or competing with them, do they have legal grounds to make him cease and desist? I thought imitation was the highest form of flattery. Do we now outlaw spoof, satire, and creative imitation?

    1. Re:Srsly? by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, here goes. The issue is not that the church is creating customer confusion by between its services and Best Buy's. The issue is that its misappropriation of the trademark *dilutes* the value of that trademark to its rightful owner.

      There are classes of ways in which dilution can occur, both of which potentially apply here: loss of distinctiveness, and tarnishment. (1) Best Buy has invested considerable money in creating a recognizable symbol. By misappropriating that symbol, the church is denying them the benefit of that investment by reducing the distinctiveness of the service mark. (2) Many of Best Buy's potential customers may have negative opinions of the Catholic Church because of its handling of the clergy sex abuse scandal. The church's misuse of Best Buy's service mark "tarnishes" that mark with a scandal to which Best Buy is not a party. Even supposing you think such a reaction to the scandal is unreasonable and excessive, that reaction should be the church's problem, not Best Buy's. If Best Buy drove around in cars emblazoned with the ecclesiastical arms of the local archbishop, he'd have a right to object that the dignity of his see shouldn't be tied to the quality of service Best Buy offers its customers.

      Both of these arguments hinge on the fact that the logo used on the vehicles is obviously a copy of the Geek Squad logo. It is simply not credible that the priest arrived at this design on his own. If he'd come up with the "God Squad" name and his own logo, that would be a different matter. You can have a "Speedy Pizza Delivery" and a "Speedy Muffler Service" because they're in different industries, but if the pizza shop copies the Speedy Muffler trademark to promote their business, they've gone over the line.

      In summary, there gray areas in trademark use, but this use is not one of them. Clearly the church is violating Best Buy's trademark rights. I don't think they are intending harm, and I think in cases of such non-commercial uses it might be nice if the trademark owner was polite and understanding rather than threatening. Nonetheless, the church really ought to cease and desist using Best Buy's trademark for its own purposes, even if it believes those purposes are admirable.

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    2. Re:Srsly? by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, here goes. The issue is not that the church is creating customer confusion by between its services and Best Buy's. The issue is that its misappropriation of the trademark *dilutes* the value of that trademark to its rightful owner.

      Nice analysis, but you missed one part that you touched on:

      In summary, there gray areas in trademark use, but this use is not one of them. Clearly the church is violating Best Buy's trademark rights. I don't think they are intending harm, and I think in cases of such non-commercial uses it might be nice if the trademark owner was polite and understanding rather than threatening. Nonetheless, the church really ought to cease and desist using Best Buy's trademark for its own purposes, even if it believes those purposes are admirable.

      Yes, it's almost certainly dilution under 15 USC 1125(c) (Lanham Act sec. 43). However, under under 15 USC 1125(c)(4)(B), "noncommercial use of a mark" is not actionable. It's unlikely that the priest is engaging "in commerce", nor would any Federal court be willing to call charitable donations to a church "commerce" within the meaning of the commerce clause, since they would run up against all sorts of political backlash. So, as long as he doesn't start selling "God Squad" coffee mugs or t-shirts or the like, a Federal court would likely lack subject matter jurisdiction.

  7. Re:Obviously overzealous by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are not being necessarily being overzealous. In the US, trademarks MUST be defended to be valid. If they failed to defend against this possible trademark issue, then the next guy that does a geek squad look alike can point to this case to strengthen his case that the trademark has become generic.

  8. Re:This just proves by Spatial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it proves that geeks aren't running Geek Squad.

  9. Simple solution for these cases by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that legally companies have to enforce trademarks or risk losing them. However, for a case like this where there is no actual damage to their business and no real risk of confusion, the best solution from a PR perspective would be to offer a royalty-free license to the trademark and its variant to the person in question.

    You know, instead of the traditional "cease-and-desist" letter, you could send a "we notice you borrowed from our logo - we are required to contact you by trademark law, and we will offer you a royalty-free license for this use, in a limited context, if you get in touch with us".

    That would completely avoid the nasty press these companies for doing this, and keep the trademark lawyers happily occupied.

    Why can't we live in the kind of more civil society where we look for positive solutions to problems in this way instead of simply defaulting to the negative?

    1. Re:Simple solution for these cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In theory, maybe that would be a good idea, but in practice it's walking into dangerous territory. First off, it could be seen as endorsement of this guys message, and corporations generally try to avoid religious endorsements since it puts them at odds with all other religions. This gets especially tricky if then other religions start to ask for the same treatment. What if an Islamist group wants to do the same thing? If Best Buy says no, they piss off 1.4 billion Muslims, and also look discriminatory. If they say yes, they piss off a nation full of fear mongerers and bigots who accuse them of terrorism. There's a million other ways that could go poorly, Best Buy really has no choice but to put a stop to this.

    2. Re:Simple solution for these cases by Ksevio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it were only one time it might be ok, but religious groups seem to think themselves exempt from trademark and copyright law.

      There are lots of stories of religious groups copying whatever they like to put religious propaganda on them. I remember when the lord of the rings came out, one group took the movie poster, replaced "Ring" with "King" and replaced Gandalph with Jesus. Now you may say that's just parody, but I don't really buy it when the point is to promote a religious message, not poking fun of the original.

    3. Re:Simple solution for these cases by bartwol · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if an Islamist group wants to do the same thing?

      That would be fine as long as they don't drive the car anywhere near Ground Zero.

    4. Re:Simple solution for these cases by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you should reread the GP again. He referred to "a nation full of fear mongerers and bigots who accuse them of terrorism". He did not claim that all Christians were fear mongers and bigots he said the nation was.

      And after the all the crontroversy over the planned Islamic information centre (not a mosque as the media portrays) near ground zero it's a fair assessment. Especially since there are other Islamic information centres in the area that pre-date the completion of the first World Trade Center building.

      But hey, when did fear mongers and bigots let silly things like facts get in the way.

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  10. Must Defend Trademark by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 2, Informative

    Geek Squad has to actively defend their trademark, otherwise they risk losing it. Looking at the FP's link with a bit more information, it sounds to me like Best Buy's PR woman was hinting at an appropriate solution. I bet they find a way to make everyone happy and simply license the trademark to Father Luke for his "God Squad" use.

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  11. Re:Mod Squad by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, not really. Look at the logo. It's clearly based on the Geek Squad logo.

  12. Re:Trademark by maotx · · Score: 4, Informative
    Found out a little bit more. Unless you're going to confuse God Squad for Geek Squad, this doesn't appear to have a leg to stand on.
    From 1114. Remedies; infringement; innocent infringement by printers and publishers emphasis mine
    • (1) Any person who shall, without the consent of the registrant—
      (a) use in commerce any reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation of a registered mark in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of any goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive; or
      (b) reproduce, counterfeit, copy, or colorably imitate a registered mark and apply such reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation to labels, signs, prints, packages, wrappers, receptacles or advertisements intended to be used in commerce upon or in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive,

    Then again, IANAL

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  13. Re:Obviously overzealous by qwijibo · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's more overlap than you may think. Geek Squad caters to many Windows users. Anyone on Slashdot running Windows knows that prayers are a big part of it continuing to work on a day to day basis.

  14. Re:Obviously overzealous by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trademarks aren't enforced on a word-by-word basis. The issue would be the similarity of the logo as a whole.

    The trademark claim may be invalid since the priest is not selling electronics or technical support, and presumably isn't using it in a commercial context at all. On the other hand, I'm not sure you could rule out a claim of dillution.

  15. Obligatory by S3D · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what happen then God sends Cease-and-Desist order to Geek Squad...

  16. Re:Trademark by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think it matters if they offer different services.

    It matters a great deal.

    It would be the same as someone opening a seafood restaurant called Walleye-mart.

    That might be grounds for a dilution claim depending on details since it would be being used to advertise a product. This guy, however, isn't selling anything.

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  17. Re:Trademark by wikid_one · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm pretty sure, if it came down to it, I'd rather call the priest to deal with my computer issues.

  18. Re:Orange and Black? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Funny

    (instead of the religious holiday All Hallow's eve, or the older Celtic Fall holiday).

    Exactly, satan worship. Heathen.

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  19. Re:Trademark by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm pretty sure, if it came down to it, I'd rather call the priest to deal with my computer issues.

    My computer is full of daemons.

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  20. Maybe they'd have a case if by eshbums · · Score: 2, Funny

    the priest started charging exorbitant amounts for things that a user with 30 seconds on google could figure out on their own. "$80 rosary installation - bring in your rosary, and one of our trained technicians can install it around your neck. *Removal of existing necklaces only $5 each for Reward Zone members"

  21. Re:Obviously overzealous by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Funny

    God and Geek are not easily confused.

    Only if your sysadmin isn't doing his job properly.

  22. About time... by Tactical+Bacon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering how virtually every religious sticker I see on a car is a (poorly done) rip-off of an existing trademarked character or logo, it's kind of refreshing to see them actually get called on it. Thou Shalt Not Steal. Unless it looks cool and you can make a mint by altering it to promote your church...

  23. Re:Attn lawyers by Wilden2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I want to open up geek squad plumbing there is nothing they can do about it.

    Not true. They can sue you, even if they have a strong belief that they will lose.

    You can be sued for any reason, by anyone. And in many cases, he with the most money, wins.

    Look at RIAA, SCO, ORACLE, various patent trolls, etc.

  24. Re:Orange and Black? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative

    The religious holiday is All Saints Day (Nov 1), not the evening before it.

    The Christian holiday is All Saints Day. There are other religions, you know. Samhain, a religious holiday for many Neopagans based on ancient Celtic traditions, is October 31, or sunset on the 31st through sunset November 1.

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  25. Re:Obviously overzealous by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The lawyers are just being overzealous in this case.

    God and Geek are not easily confused.

    Squad is generic.

    Trademarks must be considered in their entirety. The fact that "squad" is generic is irrelevant, because the entire mark and the entire alleged infringing use must be compared. The "Geek Squad" trademark is most certainly not generic.

    Furthermore, the fact that two words are different is not dispositive for confusion. Instead, the question is the likelihood of confusion of the source. Might a consumer think "God Squad" is a subsidiary of "Geek Squad" or otherwise related? Maybe "God Squad" is the team of senior associates while "Geek Squad" is the regular crew, like paramedics vs. EMTs. Or the Geeks are for homes and small businesses, while the Gods are for enterprise IT consulting. If a consumer may think any of those or others, then it's irrelevant that "God" and "Geek" are different - instead, there's a likelihood of confusion of the source.

    That said, the priest was almost certainly a non-commercial user, so the Lanham Act wouldn't apply and a Federal court would lack jurisdiction. But there may still be state law claims.

    And the story, is inappropriately tagged with copyright when this is a trademark issue.

    That's true.

  26. Re:Trademark by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That logo on that car is designed to fool people, and it is for the purpose of offering services. In a best case scenario, the priest is hoping that people will see it, think it is 'Geek Squad', then do a double take and realize that it isn't. In a worst case scenario, some people may think there is an actual connection. Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple of large businesses that have an open religious connection. Chick-fil-a and In and Out Burger both have corporate policy surrounding religion. The first closes on Sundays, and the second puts bible verses on the bottoms of their cups.

    The priest was intentionally trying to sell his services by associating them with Geek Squad. This is kind of what trademark is intended for. I know if I owned Best Buy, I wouldn't it want to be associated with what is frequently considered an international child molestation ring.

  27. Re:Orange and Black? by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are other religions, you know.

    Blasphemy!

    Madness!

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  28. Re:Orange and Black? by suutar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sparta!