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Australia Considering iPhone App Censorship

srjh writes "Having raised concerns about 'the classification of games playable on mobile telephones,' the Australian government has now 'put the wheels in motion to address this.' Under current Australian legislation, video games sold in the country must pay between $470 and $2040 to have the game classified, and due to the lack of an 18+ rating in Australia, if it is not found to be suitable for a 15-year-old, it is banned outright. This is the fate met by several recent titles, such as Left 4 Dead 2 and Fallout 3. Over 200,000 applications are available for the iPhone, many of them games, and developers have raised concerns about the prohibitive costs involved, with many announcing an intention to drop the Australian market altogether if the plan proceeds."

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  1. This comment not safe for 15-year-old by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fuck you, Australia

    1. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In more civilized nations, we have no problem with children using extreme language in extreme situations.

      the problem arises when the children think it's fun/cool to use that language everywhere.
      This is where parents should do something, not when government should.

      the same arguments could be used against most things censored.

    2. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by exomondo · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an Australian i'd like to redirect that slightly to 'Fuck you Australian Government'. I can't believe we have such idiots thinking that their 'filter' will censor the net...idiots that have no knowledge of P2P, Usenet, IRC, Anon Proxies, Tor, etc... Their focus has been on child porn and yes this may stop Joe Moron Pervert from going to childporn.com, but are the sorts of people interested in such material really that stupid anyway?

    3. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is where parents should do something, not when government should.

      Exactly! This is all about lazy parents trying to absolve themselves of the responsibility of raising children.

    4. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Morality and Intelligence are completely separate traits. Just look at history...

    5. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by migla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In more civilized nations, we have no problem with children using extreme language in extreme situations.

      the problem arises when the children think it's fun/cool to use that language everywhere.
      This is where parents should do something, not when government should.

      What is the problem with that? Sure it can be an annoyance, but I'm not sure it would qualify as a real "problem". If kids want to fit in under some circumstances, they won't use extreme language, if that is improper. If they don't care about fitting in, that's their business, isn't it?

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    6. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming criminals are stupid is a great way to catch fewer criminals.

    7. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by AtomicDog1471 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >if you don't agree with laws please go forth and make them change. this is a democracy after all.

      Aww, look. He actually thinks the system works! How quaint.

    8. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't think you understand that there is no "18 related films" and none is being proposed.

      Why isn't it about the government trying to help parents?

      If it were about trying to help parents, there'd be a category for adults. Then the parent can choose age-appropriate titles and adults can still get the apps they want. There isn't a category for adults. That's why this is not about trying to help parents. This is about censoring adults in the name of helping parents. If you think helping parents is a good thing then this is a mockery of it, a smack in the face.

      Oh, I forgot, the fucking libertarians have taken over the asylum, so if it's done by the government it's necessarily evil.

      No real libertarian would support censoring adults. Especially not when having an adult category does not negate the usefulness of all the other categories. Adding an adult category would be cost-free in the sense that it wouldn't hinder any of the stated goals of this proposal. The omission of it is either institutionalized stupidity or a deliberate attempt to censor. Both can be called evil.

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    9. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by exomondo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why isn't it about the government trying to help parents?

      It is! If we had an R18 rating that's exactly what it would do! Instead they absolve parents of their responsibility by just banning anything not suitable for a 15yo.

      It's much more logical and consistent for a parent to be able to say "you can't watch any 18 rated films" to a child rather than "well OK, you can watch this one because I've heard a good review of it and it has artistic merit, but you can't watch this other one because it's too violent/pornographic/sweary".

      Yes, which is why we want an R18 rating for games, but the government won't do that. That's exactly my point, they decide they will just wield the ban-hammer instead of having an R18 rating that parents would have to be aware of.

    10. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it"

      the GP seems to have no idea what "
      Libertarian" actually means.

    11. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bullshit.

      The official ratings are meaningless to me. I don't care if my kid sees a topless girl, I don't see anything wrong with the human body. But I sure as hell don't want him filling his head with the most disgusting murders imaginable until he's old enough to handle it.

      Yet the ratings are very strict with anything related to nudity or sexuality but give a free pass to all sorts of violence.

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    12. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They also give a free pass to religion. Religious texts are uncensored and do not have to be submitted for censorship. I don't want to have my child exposed to religion at a young impressionable age. I will leave that to him to decide when I think he is intellectually ready for it. I am personally offended by mixing young children and religion. While I do not agree with censorship this latest push for censorship from the Labor party makes me wonder where it will stop.

      I'm voting No1 Australian sex party. The two major parties are both shit house it's time to help someone else have a go. And at least when it all goes to hell I won't be to blame.

    13. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by MozzleyOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe the idea of an R18+ rating is that everything which is now considered "Refused Classification" just becomes "R18+" ... i.e. it's a lower, not an upper, limit to content

      One effect of not having an R18+ rating means that there is immense pressure on the classification board to be very liberal with the 15+ rating, as companies spend millions of dollars making these games. This actually increases the chance of young kids seeing inappropriate content!

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    14. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny you should say this (about religion).
      We are nominally Christian. A friend who is much more religious than us urged us to read the Bible to our kids. Thinking it couldn't be a bad thing, we get a Bible and looked through it. HOLY S! I would *never* read these stories to my kids. They are full of the sickest violence and perversions imaginable. There's incest, rape, murder, revenge, and overall a very callous attitude towards extracting violent revenge and causing misery. We told our friend that if the cover didn't say 'Bible' on it she would never allow any of her kids to hear stories like this.

      We tried cleaning up a story. We took the story of 'Lot' and skipped over the part about the townspeople wanting to rape the angels staying with Lot. We skipped over the part about Lot offering to give his daughters to the townspeople to rape instead of the angels (a tempting offer, I'm sure, since Lot told them they were virgins). We skipped over the part where Lot's daughters got him drunk and had sex with their father so they could get pregnant (seriously WTF?! If you tried to make a movie of this without the name 'Lot' on it the religious right would freak). We only told that Lot left the city and his wife looked back and God turned her into a pillar of salt.

      My kids laughed and laughed at how stupid the story was and how mean and nasty God was in the story. They started playing 'I caught you peeking, ZAP I turn you into salt! HAHAHA! It turned into a game of Simon-Says where if you missed an instruction you got turned into salt.'

      Maybe I should show them the movie 'Saw' next, but I'll write 'Holy' on the cover to make it ok.

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    15. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>The problem isn't a lack of R18, the problem is that anything not meeting 'standards' is illegal.

      Good point. The government should not have the power to ban adults from buying items. The government is not your daddy or mommy. I used to think, "Well if America falls to tyranny, there's always the freedom-loving Aussieland," but apparently I was wrong. Australia is ruled by a tyranny of oligarchs that won't even let you play an adult game.

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    16. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe the idea of an R18+ rating is that everything which is now considered "Refused Classification" just becomes "R18+" ... i.e. it's a lower, not an upper, limit to content

      I understand, but isn't it just easier to just get rid of the damned refused classification all together?

      Is there such a difference between someone 15+ and 18? Here is my worry:

      Right now you have HUGE support because Refused Classification is a HUGE category of things being literally banned.

      Let's say you cut that down to 18+ but add a few restrictions onto that, some rather nasty restrictions but less than what exists now.

      As a result they will have divided your group into people that were mostly pissed at the old system, but accepting of the new system. But still a large (but now smaller) group of people who are still royally pissed at the still existing censorship.

      The opposition has been reduced, and the politicians still get to censor. We know how these things generally operate, and once made 'taboo' things rarely come off the list. Especially when it requires a political vote to remove it from the list. It's easier to ignore it.

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    17. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been frequently surprised by the Australian Govs at time puritanical, at times "Big Brother" attitude with new technology and its social impact. I've spent time with Aussies in Japan, mostly meeting them at bars and they seemed to be quite good folk. Then I hear about this stuff and I have to ask "Are these really the same people?"

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    18. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by wall0159 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the iPhone we're talking about, right? What's the use of downloading apps from IRC if you can't install them?

    19. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by Hashi+Lebwohl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please don't confuse us with our politicians - I have no idea where they come from, but it's certainly not the real world!

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    20. Re:This comment not safe for 15-year-old by exomondo · · Score: 2, Informative

      An R18 rating isn't a solution, but a means to introduce further censorship.

      Wrong, it means less censorship. Because anything above the M15 rating would not be just outright banned like it is now.

      The fact that there is always something 'worse' wouldn't be the point. Right now you have a rating of what T15? That IS your R18 rating.

      No it isn't, anything that would receive an R18 rating is refused classification and banned because M15 is the highest rating.

      So you increase the level to R18, what difference would that make. All it would do is give people justification for applying more censorship.

      No it would mean that actually have a category of material higher than M15 that would be legal and classified rather than just being deemed illegal.

  2. Good grief! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is with the Australians? This is just the latest in a long line of this sort of shit. Is this really what the average Australian wants? Surely the Assie public is not this stupid? They do elect their politicians, don't they?

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    1. Re:Good grief! by jessejackson100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh we elect them alright. The problem is neither of the major parties has a full set of policies that don't suck.

      - Vote Labour and there will be Internet Filtering for all!
      - Vote Liberal and we no longer get the promised high speed broadband network, because apparently 'wireless is the future'.

      EPIC FAIL either way...

    2. Re:Good grief! by exomondo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is with the Australians? This is just the latest in a long line of this sort of shit. Is this really what the average Australian wants? Surely the Assie public is not this stupid? They do elect their politicians, don't they?

      Thank god we have an election coming up in the next couple of days and neither liberal nor labor are looking to be clear winners but it looks like the greens are most certainly going to dominate in the senate so these censorship bills are going to get a serious beatdown very soon! Hopefully we won't have to deal with any of this shit ever being implemented.

    3. Re:Good grief! by SJ2000 · · Score: 2, Funny
    4. Re:Good grief! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is this really what the average Australian wants?

      Of course not, and it's not what will actually happen either. There's a snowball's chance in hell that the government will form a new body to review hundreds of thousands of applications, and if they tried to lock out the app store altogether... they'd be booted at the next election. This is a publicity stunt that will lead to nothing. There are 2 parties in Australia . .. Liberal & Labour. Labour just ousted their leader, meaning that the new *female* leader (a first for Australia) is ahead in the polls, but standing on shaky ground ahead of the election in a few days time. The Labour party is rallying whatever votes they can and this is an ideal stunt in the "Think of the children" and "We'll catch those tax dodgers" veins to bring more people on board the party line. Note that TFA specifically calls for changes that require no legislation but enforcement was not discussed at the meeting of attorney generals ... translation "We aint doin nothin, but the media will pick up on our concern".

      It's an election stunt, slashdot has officially been trolled by the Australian government.

    5. Re:Good grief! by slackarse · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is not what the average Aussie wants. There was a petition that set the record http://bit.ly/aJuLUO in Australia for the most number of supporters, for anything, ever! There was also a public debate http://bit.ly/cts8kl showed 98.2% support for a higher rating from over 60,000 submissions.

      The current government may well be voted out this week, but the problem is, the state attorney generals decide classification guidelines http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Classification_policy. And if only one of them has a personal vendetta http://www.news.com.au/technology/attorney-general-to-veto-r-rating-for-games/story-e6frfro0-1111115654451 against something it won't get through.

      Our hopes were raised when Michale Atkison, main detractor for a new rating, "retired" http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/04/new-s-a-attorney-general-might-support-r18-might-not/ earlier this year. But all that seemed to do was delay decisions.

      If you'd like more information, please subscribe to the very informative r18 tag for Kotaku http://www.kotaku.com.au/tags/r18/.

      Disclaimer: I am in no way afilliated with any political party or news site. I just value my freedom, or what little we have left. http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23nocleanfeed

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    6. Re:Good grief! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is with the Americans? PATRIOT, revocation of habeus corpus, free speech zones, a prison population 5-10 times that of *any* other western nation... even 2257? Is this really what the average American wants? Surely the Yank public is not this stupid? They do elect their politicians, don't they?

      Or we could go across the pond to where it's the House of Lords, of all things, that is standing up for human rights by beating down unprinicipled legislation submitted by the House of Commons.

      Yeah, it's all "those crazy people in Australia". No-one else has whackos. At least our major politicians don't have to mention God in every. damned. speech. Next time you see any quality of life measure, have a look to see which nation is usually nestled under the Scandanavian countries which top the list - it's not the US, nor the UK. But no, you go dwell happily in your caricature that we're weird and repressed.

    7. Re:Good grief! by delinear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a snowball's chance in hell that the government will form a new body to review hundreds of thousands of applications, and if they tried to lock out the app store altogether...

      Isn't that the point of the administration fee - to pay for someone else to review the app? As for them being kicked out if they tried to lock out the app store, well they're not suggesting anything they don't already do with traditional (and much bigger) game markets. If that's not sufficient to generate enough uproar to get the law overturned, what makes you think smart phone owners will have any more impact?

    8. Re:Good grief! by imakemusic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just don't show the hooker's tits!

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    9. Re:Good grief! by exomondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, assuming by "Greens" you mean "Family First" and by "going to get a serious beatdown" you mean "actually be taken seriously and implemented". A clear win for either of the major parties is a blow to anything this stupid.

      No I mean the 'Greens' - as i have written - and 'beatdown' - again as i have written. Im not sure how you could misinterpret that, seemed pretty obvious based on the words i wrote and you quoted.

    10. Re:Good grief! by HJED · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your link is broken, where you looking for this: http://www.belowtheline.org.au/?

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    11. Re:Good grief! by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It will do more than register ire. The greens are set to hold the balance of power in the senate so they will stop pretending to appease senator Fielding with an internet filter and start pretending to appease the greens.

      I confidently predict that after the election the never ending inquiry into internet filtering will rapidly be dropped in favour of a never ending inquiry into renewable energy.

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    12. Re:Good grief! by tdelaney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least I can watch free-to-air TV in Australia that is not limited to what is appropriate for a 12 year old. You can say "fuck" or show naked people (including nipples!) on FTA TV in Australia after 9:30pm. I'm pretty sure you could even get away with "cunt".

      All countries have some fucked up stuff. The US allows all kinds of violence on FTA TV, but not a hint of sex, swearing or (god forbid) blaspheming. Australia doesn't have an 18+ rating for computer games, and has a government that wants to introduce ubiquitous high-speed broadband (yay!) and a very broad (and technically useless) internet filter (boo!).

    13. Re:Good grief! by tdelaney · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's looking likely that the Greens will probably have enough seats in the Senate to hold the balance of power in their own right.

      If you want to vote for progressive parties in the Senate without the hassle of voting below the line, I strongly suggest thinking about voting for the Australian Sex Party. Their preferences flow through a variety of progressive parties (who are unlikely to achieve a quota) before going to the Greens and then Labor.

      Unlike many minor parties, the ASP don't seem to feel the need to have a policy on every issue. But I find that they don't have a policy I disagree with.

      http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php
      http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/policies

      Remember - parties need to obtain 4% of the vote (I think) to get their deposit back - voting for a minor party can help them even if they don't get a seat.

    14. Re:Good grief! by ultranova · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is with the Australians?

      Australia is a penal colony the British Empire shipped its worst troublemakers to - you know, the people who even the American Puritans refused to take. When a maximum security prison is run by the inmates, what do you expect - justice?

      Australian Government - By the Criminals, For the Criminals!

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    15. Re:Good grief! by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least I can watch free-to-air TV in Australia that is not limited to what is appropriate for a 12 year old. You can say "fuck" or show naked people (including nipples!) on FTA TV in Australia after 9:30pm. I'm pretty sure you could even get away with "cunt".

      You can do that.

      Hell, you could even flash a nipple during the AFL grand final (largest sporting event in the nation) and not hear a single word of protest. Unlike during the superbowl.

      Have you ever watched Australian TV, compared to American TV where "gosh darn" is considered cursing, we have a much more restrictive interpretation, bugger, damn, god damn, bollocks ect.. are not considered swear words and you can even drop the F-bomb once or twice and avoid the M15+ rating.

      Compared to Australian TV, American TV is puritanical.

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  3. regulatory capture by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a fine example of it as only the big boys can absorb the costs and this effectively closes the market on their smaller competitors.

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  4. What's the point? by Netshroud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Aside from the government making money. Applications that get classified as RC wouldn't be affected by any of the RC restrictions. The biggest restriction is that RC material cannot be sold in brick and mortar stores. iOS Apps aren't.

  5. We have an election coming up.. by nickd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Basically:

    If the liberals/nationals coalition gets in, we are all kinds of fucked (they have become the religious extreme with their preferences going straight to the Christian Democratic Party and Family First after themselves)
    If labor gets in again - we get the only visionary policy any of the politicians have to offer - the National Broadband Network, but they saddle it with filtering, censorship and the lack of an R+18 classification for games.
    So the only decent vote left is the Australian Sex Party - which is a civil libertarian group who are anti-censorship, pro same sex marriage and also want to remove the tax exempt status for religious organisations.

    Next election we will hopefully have the Australian Pirate party fully formed to be able to run a candidate.

    This election is really a case of trying to pick a candidate that is the least awful.
    Ugh

    1. Re:We have an election coming up.. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This election is really a case of trying to pick a candidate that is the least awful

      C'mon its always like that.

    2. Re:We have an election coming up.. by Tuan121 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This election is really a case of trying to pick a candidate that is the least awful.
      Ugh

      As opposed to any other election anywhere in the world...

  6. Re:Yet another reason not to get an IPhone by benbritten · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has nothing at all to do with Apple, it applies to any mobile app. So even if you have android, the developers who want to sell apps in Australia will have to pay to have their apps (well, games) rated.

  7. Relax people by giorgist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is growing up pains ...
    None of all these things have come to pass.
    They come up with them, the realise they don't work, and they let them go.
    No better way to learn, it is the process of making laws.

    What is an iPhone app ? They only reason they are attacking, is because they are contained by apple.
    What next, webapps ? Android and HTML5 and FLASH will make them indistinguishable to a normal app.

    I would much rather they try and get it out of their system, than winge for ever ...

    1. Re:Relax people by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      uh huh. Tell that to Blizzard.. they were delivering unclassified games through Steam and got the same smackdown from the Australian government. It's literally about keeping the fees running into the classification board. You think they aint gunna go after every possible source of income?

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  8. Re:Oz border agency to search iPhones ? by srjh · · Score: 3, Informative

    You might be joking, but they are already doing it for pornography.

    Along with the standard "did you spend time in agricultural regions" and "are you carrying more than $10,000 cash" is a question about whether travellers are carrying pornography. Not just child porn or videos intended for redistribution in the country, but any porn whatsoever, including your honeymoon snaps. Privacy isn't really something that is taken quite seriously by successive Australian governments. The one we end up with on Saturday won't be any different, regardless of who wins, but at least it looks likely the Greens will hold the balance of power and keep whoever wins accountable.

  9. In Brazil is the same by rsilva · · Score: 5, Informative

    Brazil has the same rules since the start, hence in Brazil the appStore does not carry any games.

    What people do here is to have accounts in other countries, usually Argentina. Then the country looses the taxes...
    Since taxes are outrageously high for video games in Brazil, this is probably better for the costumers here.

  10. Re:Oz border agency to search iPhones ? by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fun and games at Oz airports!

    Oz immigration officer: Do you have any criminal convictions?

    Brit wit: No, I didn't realise they were still necessary entry requirements.

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  11. What's next? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Australian government soon to ban all forms of evil sorcery, including phones, television and the telegraph. Story at 6 on smoke signals and tam-tams.

  12. This comment not safe for the sarcasm-impaired by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >the problem arises when the children think it's fun/cool to use that language everywhere.

    What problem? If that's how they want to express themselves, let them. They're just words for gods sake...

    If people don't get offended about something, how can they feign injury and use that to justify their demands that others conform to their expectations? Why, they'd have to resort to being patient and tolerant (in the true sense) and to using their counter-example to protest against whatever it is they don't like. If that happened their egos might shrink and become less inflamed with fewer high horses to mount. They might see the petty power struggles for what they are, and they might enjoy life more once they stop participating in them and wasting so much energy on them.

    Clearly we cannot allow this! We must reinforce the easily offended lifestyle. We clearly need to legitimize it with political power and by taking it seriously at all times. At all costs must make sure to never tell anyone to grow up and get over any otherwise harmless thing that offends them. Any authority figure must especially take seriously and whenever possible, kowtow to whoever screams the loudest with no regard for the actual legitimacy of their grievance. Young people must grow up seeing the repeated examples of parents, schools, and media who model this behavior and never question or critically examine it, because then it will be normal and all they've ever known. That's the precedent we want to set and the message we will send.

    Otherwise people might adopt a "live and let live" philosophy otherwise known as freedom, and might get the idea in their heads that there's something wrong with so much concern for what other adults want to read, listen to, watch, or what games they play. Shit man, they might even think it's good enough that they can choose such things for themselves and that it's proper to allow other adults to do the same.

    If we allowed that, then the next thing you know, entire political campaigns and party platforms will have to find some other basis. The tacit assumption that "they must be up to no good" might shift to the busybodies and away from those who want to be left alone by them. This could really spiral out of control! It would become difficult to try to legislate morality. It could even lead to more people believing that it's silly to blame any of our problems on inanimate objects, and with that goes the War on (some) Drugs and all the great justifications for expanded police powers that it has faithfully provided all of these years.

    So you see, Australia must stay the course. If they allowed a category intended for adults and restricted to adults, it'd be a small and seemingly harmless step down a very slippery slope. Do you know what's at the bottom of that slippery slope? Why, a world where other people might say or do things that someone else doesn't like. Do you understand now the danger that we are in?

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  13. Mick Dundee wept by paiute · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How did Australia devolve from the cool tough guys of Gallipoli/"That's not a knife" to this bunch of pussies?

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