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Video Showing Half a Million Asteroid Discoveries

An anonymous reader writes "Since 1980 over a half million asteroids have been discovered, mostly between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, now thanks to this video you can see this activity condensed into a few minutes. At full resolution it's a mesmerizing experience as new discoveries are added and the video makes it possible to see patterns in the discovery positions, for example a large number appear in line between Earth and Jupiter as astronomers started looking for smaller jovian moons after Voyagers visit to the system."

154 comments

  1. dizzy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody else getting dizzy?

  2. Cheers, astronomers! by Aussenseiter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Celebrating 30 years of counting rocks in space. Here's looking at you, kid.

    1. Re:Cheers, astronomers! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I can't get the video to play. It works on Ilsa's computer.

      Come on, IE! You played it for her, you can play it for me!

    2. Re:Cheers, astronomers! by Aussenseiter · · Score: 1

      Oh, that was AWFUL.

      Let me go write it down.

    3. Re:Cheers, astronomers! by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      They couldn't even set the video to some spacey music? Bogus man!

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  3. "That's some mighty fine science, Lou." by reverendbeer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Since 1980 over a half million asteroids have been discovered, mostly between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter

    Between Mars and Jupiter, huh? You mean right where the asteroid belt is? And there are asteroids in it? Wow.

    1. Re:"That's some mighty fine science, Lou." by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well you see as a marine biologist I thought it would be really ground breaking if I looked for a new species of fish living in the Gobi Desert. After a lifetime of work I'm sorry to say that there just appear to be no fish living in the Gobi Desert. I know I could have taken the easy route and actually tried to study fish in bodies of water, but that would have been so cliche.

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  4. what's the green shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ?? :/

    1. Re:what's the green shit? by grub · · Score: 1

      Greeh cheese. Remember how the moon is made of it?
      Presumably these asteroids were originally a moon which suffered a cataclysmic event in the distant past.

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    2. Re:what's the green shit? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Asteroids.

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    3. Re:what's the green shit? by mcgrew · · Score: 0

      Ass teroids, apparently. If they are indeed shit.

    4. Re:what's the green shit? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Dewd! Look at all that Arkanor!! - Man the Hulks!!

      - Dan.

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  5. I see you! by alphatel · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I removed the One ring, why does Sauron still taunt me?

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    1. Re:I see you! by alphatel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      At the end of the video this swirling image looks like the seething eye of Sauron. Definitely not offtopic!

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    2. Re:I see you! by natehoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One Sun to rule them all, One Sun to find them,
      One Sun to bring them all and with its gravity bind them
      In the Solar System where the asteroids fly.

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    3. Re:I see you! by BSAtHome · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ehm, you mean:
      One Oracle to rule them all, One Oracle to find them,
      One Oracle to bring them all and with its gravity bind them
      In the Oracular System where the asteroids fly.

  6. Needs a caption by mbone · · Score: 0

    Is there a caption or story behind this ? I have worked on asteroids, and I have no real idea what is being portrayed.

    My guess is that they are actually showing observations, not discoveries, as the flashing dots seem to be mostly in opposition, but a description would be useful.

    1. Re:Needs a caption by mbone · · Score: 0

      Oh, and there is a difference between "smaller jovian moons" (which would all be indistinguishable from Jupiter on this scale) and the Trojan asteroids (which are all more or less at Jupiter's orbital radius, and a good 3-6 AU from Jupiter, not "between Earth and Jupiter." There have been a lot of Trojans found recently.

    2. Re:Needs a caption by michaelwv · · Score: 2, Informative

      Discoveries are observations. Most discoveries are near opposition. It's only for special reasons that some surveys have been looking in other directions: either things like WISE that are in the infrared and so have special restrictions about where they can point, or targeted searches for near-Earth objects. In you click on the video you can read all about it in the caption. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw

    3. Re:Needs a caption by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Is there a caption or story behind this ? I have worked on asteroids, and I have no real idea what is being portrayed.

      Double-click on the video to reach the YouTube page. To the right of the summary (left of the number of views) is a down-chevron icon. Click on that for the full description.

    4. Re:Needs a caption by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Its not that hard to understand, right?
      Otherwise, if you are really dense you could have read the video descriptions:

      Flashing points are discovery events, the rest are the orbits of the known objects.
      And of course discoveries _require_ and observation (more than one, but that doesnt matter on that time scale). They even explain the reason for the patterns.

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    5. Re:Needs a caption by ATestR · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It does appear that the white pixels represent observations of objects for which a solid orbit has not been calculated. The colored pixels appear to be objects for which an orbit is known. You will note that during the last few seconds of the video that the density of "known" objects is high, and that few(er) new objects were being displayed.

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    6. Re:Needs a caption by jidar · · Score: 1

      Uh... so they see an asteroid, it pops up on the video and then continues in it's observed orbit. How is that observation not a discovery? What's the difference?

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    7. Re:Needs a caption by mistralol · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have worked on asteriods? Was the commute better than the average commute in china?

    8. Re:Needs a caption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      View of the solar system showing the locations of all the asteroids starting in 1980, as asteroids are discovered they are added to the map and highlighted white so you can pick out the new ones.
      The final colour of an asteroids indicates how closely it comes to the inner solar system.
      Earth Crossers are Red
      Earth Approachers (Perihelion less than 1.3AU) are Yellow
      All Others are Green

      Notice now the pattern of discovery follows the Earth around its orbit, most discoveries are made in the region directly opposite the Sun. You'll also notice some clusters of discoveries on the line between Earth and Jupiter, these are the result of surveys looking for Jovian moons. Similar clusters of discoveries can be tied to the other outer planets, but those are not visible in this video.

      As the video moves into the mid 1990's we see much higher discovery rates as automated sky scanning systems come online. Most of the surveys are imaging the sky directly opposite the sun and you'll see a region of high discovery rates aligned in this manner.

      At the beginning of 2010 a new discovery pattern becomes evident, with discovery zones in a line perpendicular to the Sun-Earth vector. These new observations are the result of the WISE (Widefield Infrared Survey Explorer) which is a space mission that's tasked with imaging the entire sky in infrared wavelengths.

      Currently we have observed over half a million minor planets, and the discovery rates snow no sign that we're running out of undiscovered objects.

    9. Re:Needs a caption by chanrobi · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have worked on asteroids,

      Which one was that?

    10. Re:Needs a caption by mbone · · Score: 1

      Better than when I worked on Mars. Then I had to take the subway.

    11. Re:Needs a caption by jdgreen7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Double-click on the video to reach the YouTube page. To the right of the summary (left of the number of views) is a down-chevron icon. Click on that for the full description.

      Or, just copy and paste that description here:

      View of the solar system showing the locations of all the asteroids starting in 1980, as asteroids are discovered they are added to the map and highlighted white so you can pick out the new ones. The final colour of an asteroids indicates how closely it comes to the inner solar system.

      Earth Crossers are Red

      Earth Approachers (Perihelion less than 1.3AU) are Yellow

      All Others are Green

      Notice now the pattern of discovery follows the Earth around its orbit, most discoveries are made in the region directly opposite the Sun. You'll also notice some clusters of discoveries on the line between Earth and Jupiter, these are the result of surveys looking for Jovian moons. Similar clusters of discoveries can be tied to the other outer planets, but those are not visible in this video.

      As the video moves into the mid 1990's we see much higher discovery rates as automated sky scanning systems come online. Most of the surveys are imaging the sky directly opposite the sun and you'll see a region of high discovery rates aligned in this manner.

      At the beginning of 2010 a new discovery pattern becomes evident, with discovery zones in a line perpendicular to the Sun-Earth vector. These new observations are the result of the WISE (Widefield Infrared Survey Explorer) which is a space mission that's tasked with imaging the entire sky in infrared wavelengths.

      Currently we have observed over half a million minor planets, and the discovery rates snow no sign that we're running out of undiscovered objects.

    12. Re:Needs a caption by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Nope, discoveries. They occur at opposition because that's the best time to do deep imagine of a patch of sky, of course.

      There's a caption to this on the YouTube page for this video that highlights most of the patterns I noticed myself, including the advent of automated surveys in the late 90s/early 2000s.

    13. Re:Needs a caption by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, and there is a difference between "smaller jovian moons" (which would all be indistinguishable from Jupiter on this scale) and the Trojan asteroids (which are all more or less at Jupiter's orbital radius, and a good 3-6 AU from Jupiter, not "between Earth and Jupiter." There have been a lot of Trojans found recently.

      Right, which is why one would expect that if astronomers were pointing their telescopes at Jupiter in order to find new Jovian moons, they'd be likely to find asteroids between earth and Jupiter in the main asteroid belt, which is what the summary says, and the video seems to bear it out.

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    14. Re:Needs a caption by thechemic · · Score: 3, Funny

      He didnt really work on asteroids. I think the 'a' in asteroids was a typo on his behalf.

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    15. Re:Needs a caption by mbone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm interested in the dynamic influence of all of the asteroids on spacecraft navigation and the celestial mechanics of the solar system. There are lots of asteroids that influence the orbit of Mars at the meter level, and lesser but still substantial numbers that significantly perturb the Earth and the other planets. Even the large Kuiper belt objects like MakeMake have a significant effect.

    16. Re:Needs a caption by thechemic · · Score: 1

      You worked on asteroids? Cool. What about other cellestial bodies. Did you ever work on Uranus?

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    17. Re:Needs a caption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a cellestial body?

    18. Re:Needs a caption by PatHMV · · Score: 3, Informative

      The green color for asteroids does NOT indicate that the orbit has been "confirmed." It indicates that the orbit never crosses or approaches the Earth's orbit. And the green color for the planets as well as some of the asteroids hardly causes real confusion in watching, as the planets have their orbits permanently displayed with circles.

      I think you need to watch the video again, in 1080p resolution. It DOES show plenty of Jupiter trojans, but they don't stand out as much because not as many of those individual objects have been formally observed and catalogued (a requirement to be displayed in this particular video).

      If you were reviewing this for publications, I hope you would read (and understand) the caption provided with it a bit more thoroughly, and watch the highest resolution version, before making your evaluation.

    19. Re:Needs a caption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, please, please don't say "Jessica Alba".

    20. Re:Needs a caption by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Bruce? Is that you? I thought you died when you stayed behind to set off the nuclear device.

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    21. Re:Needs a caption by smitty97 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.

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    22. Re:Needs a caption by thechemic · · Score: 1

      LMAO

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    23. Re:Needs a caption by camperdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      so they see an asteroid, it pops up on the video and then continues in it's observed orbit. How is that observation not a discovery? What's the difference?

      A discovery is when it passes from unknown to known. Once you know the asteroid is there, you can't discover it anymore.

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    24. Re:Needs a caption by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The major planets are light blue, not green. I certainly don't want you as a reviewer.

    25. Re:Needs a caption by daeley · · Score: 1

      Never tell me the odds!

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    26. Re:Needs a caption by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Natalie Portman, of course.

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  7. Cpt Obvious Observation by smitty777 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's interesting how the video highlights the fact that the bulk of the asteroids seem to be discovered in a direction of the earth's orbit opposite the sun. Seems obvious when you think about it, but it really becomes apparent from watching the vid.

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    1. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful

      discovered in a direction of the earth's orbit opposite the sun

      Yeah, we call that "nighttime" around here.

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    2. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! So you're assuming that all the discoveries have been made by people at night using telescopes. Oh, wait...we have these things called satellites around here.

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    3. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by advid.net · · Score: 1

      If you watch the video at 3'01" the patern changes : discoveries are made on both "sides" of Earth ( read "sides" as if previous discoveries were made at front and sun were in rear position ). Does anyone has an explanation to this new patern ?

    4. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, most optical astronomy is done at night.

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    5. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      That is interesting - I wonder if that was the activation of some new technology (Hubble?).

      It's also interesting to note the "blind spots" that are created by Mars.

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    6. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      are you willing to point millions of dollars of technology to look directly to the sun to see a faint reflection.

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    7. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Whether terrestrial or space-based, telescopes are generally going to be pointed away from the sun.

      Plus the asteroids in opposition at any given point in time are also the ones closest to earth and thus easiest to see.

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    8. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Even satellites can't see asteroids on the other side of the sun. Or through the Earth. That doesn't leave a lot of directions to look in...

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    9. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Informative

      At 3:01, the data is from 2010, so it has to be preliminary data from WISE.

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    10. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by spacemandave · · Score: 4, Informative

      That comes from the WISE mission: http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/mission.html WISE is a whole sky infrared survey that happens to pick up asteroids. The spacecraft spins to survey a complete arc of sky roughly perpendicular to the Sun direction.

      You'll also notice that during much of the 2000s, there is a gap in discoveries at about the 5 o'clock position. This corresponds to monsoon season in the southwest U.S. (roughly July to mid September). Most of the discovered asteroids in the past decade were made by the Catalina Sky Survey, based just outside of Tucson, AZ, and they generally don't bother observing during monsoon season because of the increase in cloud cover.

    11. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by spacemandave · · Score: 2, Informative

      You'll also notice that the discovery rate seems to "pulsate" with a period of about 12 times per year (this is most obvious in the 2000s when the discovery rate was mostly uniform throughout the year). I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to explain why that is (hint, skies need to be very dark to observe faint asteroids).

    12. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      And they're the most "full" in phase, so that they are as bright as they'll ever get.

    13. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also there's a strong correlation with wintertime in the northern hemisphere earlier in the video, but that gets washed out with what appears to be the advent of computers.

    14. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 1

      You'll also notice that the discovery rate seems to "pulsate" with a period of about 12 times per year (this is most obvious in the 2000s when the discovery rate was mostly uniform throughout the year). I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to explain why that is (hint, skies need to be very dark to observe faint asteroids).

      then why wouldn't it be 13 times per year?

      I would guess that some of the data is submitted monthly and the tracts show when the data was submitted, not necessarily observed. there's also a lot of big pulses early on, far larger than the overall rate would see to indicate as within the normal deviation of observation rate at that point. hence, the thought that it's mapping based on submission date and some are submitting bulk results on a monthly or quarterly basis.

    15. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by spacemandave · · Score: 2, Informative

      then why wouldn't it be 13 times per year?

      I would guess that some of the data is submitted monthly and the tracts show when the data was submitted, not necessarily observed. there's also a lot of big pulses early on, far larger than the overall rate would see to indicate as within the normal deviation of observation rate at that point. hence, the thought that it's mapping based on submission date and some are submitting bulk results on a monthly or quarterly basis.

      Well, to an astrophysicist "roughly 12 times" is equivalent to 13 times, but your point is taken. I've sat in with the Catalina guys (on a nearly full moon night, so they didn't discover anything while I was there), and they don't wait to submit data. They send candidate objects to a followup telescope to confirm the discovery, then publish any object with the Minor Planet Center as soon as they are confirmed. They need to act quickly, because orbit refinements often rely on followup observations (often by amateur astronomers), and many objects, especially Near Earth Asteroids, could be lost if they are not followed up quickly. The big pulses in the discovery rates at early times are because objects were only discovered in sensitive surveys that were not run very frequently (and before the mid 1990s usually relied on photographic plates). After about 1997 once LINEAR got going (and later Catalina and a couple others) asteroid surveys have more or less been continuous, with lulls arising due to full moon nights and the weather patterns of southern Arizona and New Mexcio.

    16. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's synced with the menstrual cycle of some astronomer's wife?

    17. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Informative

      then why wouldn't it be 13 times per year?

      Because 12.3683 is closer (somewhat) to 12 than it is to 13?

      Hint: 12.3683 is the number of synodic months per year

    18. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I wasn't expecting that data wasn't shared quickly but more that the source of this animations data might be entered in a less timely manner. interesting to know that the pulses are from moonlight and a little disturbing as to how much of our asteroid mapping is affected by weather. That we might miss the 'big one' because there was a storm on the wrong night...

    19. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by camperdave · · Score: 1

      You'll also notice that the discovery rate seems to "pulsate" with a period of about 12 times per year... I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to explain why that is.

      The grad students at the telescopes need to submit monthly reports, so just before month-end they change the telescope from pointing at the girl's dorm to the sky?

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    20. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Near the end it looks like something changed about the way asteroids were discovered. In addition to the ones opposite to Earth they were being found parallel to the sun.

    21. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by pz · · Score: 1

      discovered in a direction of the earth's orbit opposite the sun

      Yeah, we call that "nighttime" around here.

      Doesn't that mean the region within the earth's orbit will be substantially less studied than the region outside the earth's orbit? Moreover, given the confounding effect of figuratively staring in the direction of the sun, won't the same tools be far less sensitive than when looking at the night-time sky? Could it be that there are many more asteroids closer to the sun than us than we have observed?

      Is there a professional astronomer here who can give an authoritative answer?

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    22. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by GreenTom · · Score: 1

      I'm not a professional, or even an amateur astronomer, but I think you're right, the region inside the Earth's orbit is less studied. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcanoid_asteroid. The Messenger Mercury probe spends some of its spare time looking for those, so I assume there's still some legit scientific questions about if they exist or not.

    23. Re:Cpt Obvious Observation by yo303 · · Score: 1

      You know, satellites have day and night too. Even if they were far from Earth, and lit up by the Sun, it would still make sense to aim the satellites AWAY from the sun.

  8. What about the trojans? by blcss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm wondering why I see no conspicuous clustering at the trojan points of Earth and Venus. Are asteroids there harder to detect?

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    1. Re:What about the trojans? by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are no known Venus trojans, but they would be hard to detect from Earth. Messenger is looking for Mercury trojans, which should be dynamically stable (and even harder to detect from Earth). While the Earth has a handful of co-orbiting asteroids, I am not aware of any solidly confirmed Earth trojans. There are 4 known Mars trojans.

      None of these objects are of sufficient numbers to show in this video.

    2. Re:What about the trojans? by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      size of the planets as well as greater interferience from other nearby bodies reducing the stability of the lagrange points.

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    3. Re:What about the trojans? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Informative

      In addition to what mbone said, it's also the case that the terrestrial planets should have a much more difficult time capturing asteroids into their trojan points thanks to their smaller masses (and therefore shallower potential wells for the asteroids to get captured into).

    4. Re:What about the trojans? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      I don't worry about trojans. I use Linux.

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    5. Re:What about the trojans? by mbone · · Score: 1

      Very true. It's pretty mysterious why Mars should have any trojans at all, or if the ones it has are actually in stable orbits.

    6. Re:What about the trojans? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Well, it's also farther from the Sun. I'd have to check the equations, but for orbits around the planet, at least, that affects things in a linear fashion. Plus, it's had a lot of opportunities to capture asteroids, particularly at lower relative speeds. Earth, Venus, and Mercury, have had a lot fewer.

    7. Re:What about the trojans? by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      That's a risky strategy. While Linux is very effective at reducing sex and therefore unwanted pregnancies, it's not nearly as effective as a condom.

    8. Re:What about the trojans? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      Startling that many more specks appear in the range of Mercury to Mars in the last half. In grade school, I heard of the asteroid belt beyond Mars, but there is a lot lurking at one astronomical unit from the sun.

      With so many pieces even as far as Jupiter one good bump could put the Earth in a collision course - is that enough incentive to do something?

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    9. Re:What about the trojans? by saider · · Score: 1

      It is closer to the asteroid belt, where collision debris can provide more potential objects to capture.

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    10. Re:What about the trojans? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      In addition to what's already been said; Trojans are only really stable in a simple (two body) system, or when the Trojan points belong to a body with a large gravity well.
       
      The Earth has the moon disturbing it's Trojans, and Trojan's all over the solar system are effected by Jupiter.

    11. Re:What about the trojans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they named after the condoms?

      Cause if they hit the planet in the same orbit they are screwed!

  9. Planets? by sTc_morphius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the video is showing meteors in their orbits it appears that we might have to question the validity of calling Mars and Earth planets. It looks like neither planet really meet the guideline of "clearing its neighborhood"...

    1. Re:Planets? by mbone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Earth, yes. Mars, no, not really, as you point out. You could consider Mars the largest asteroid.

    2. Re:Planets? by sznupi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not about vacuuming the neighborhood (by that measure even Jupiter doesn't count), but whether or not the nearby debris is dominated by the gravitation of the body in question.

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    3. Re:Planets? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Also, there is something very wrong with saying "meteors in their orbits" (which just shows how much you are into all of this) - check for yourself what, it shouldn't take long.

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    4. Re:Planets? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It looks like neither planet really meet the guideline of "clearing its neighborhood"...

      Sure they have. It doesn't mean there can't be any other object in their orbit. Think of it in terms of ratios. Earth plus its moon, and Mars are both several orders of magnitude more massive than the sum of every other object in their orbits. Non-planets like Pluto or Ceres are several orders of magnitude less massive than the rest of the mass in their orbits.

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    5. Re:Planets? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Er, okay, "several orders of magnitude less massive" isn't correct... Ceres is about a third as massive as the rest of the belt, and Pluto is under a tenth as massive. They are still less than the mass of the other objects in their zones, while for instance Mars is over 100,000 times more massive than the other objects in its orbit. There's a table here showing these ratios for all the planets and dwarf planets.

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  10. Age of Discovery by Teancum · · Score: 1

    This past couple of decades has certainly been an age of discovery that equals if not surpasses a similar expansion of knowledge about the universe that happened in the 15th-18th Centuries when knowledge about new continents and islands became common place throughout most of the world. Most of us have been doing mundane things and living our lives, but this is certainly something that deserves note. More planets are also being discovered, including asteroid belts in other star systems as well.

    What isn't being said here is how big some of these objects that are being discovered now: Most of the new objects being discovered are about the size of a house or sometimes even smaller. They really aren't all that large, even though if one of them hit your house it would make a bad day for you.

    In a couple cases, there have been objects "rediscovered" that are suspected of being space junk left over from human exploration of space, such as spent stages from Saturn V rockets in solar orbit or other spacecraft that are not merely orbiting the Earth. What we will find out by doing a closer examination of these objects will be as interesting as anything else in human history, as at the moment most of this is merely discovering that something is there and not really understanding a whole lot about what it is that is moving around in that orbit. I suspect that the next several decades are going to be involved with cataloging and classifying these asteroids to understand what kind of resources are "out there".

  11. Time by oojah · · Score: 1

    Nice, but it's just a shame there isn't a caption or something else to indicate how much time has passed... :)

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    1. Re:Time by somersault · · Score: 1

      You mean like the little counter in the bottom left telling you what year it is? Can't tell if you're just being overly sarcastic here..

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    2. Re:Time by somersault · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you can't see that on the 4:3 cropped version linked into Slashdot, but if you go to the actual YouTube video you can see the counters for the current year and the currently discovered number of asteroids.

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    3. Re:Time by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      It is totally "teh awsum" at 1080p. I dug it out of my browser cache, renamed it to xx.flv, then slowed it down in VLC. Amazing. Can't wait until the WISE data gets added to this.

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    4. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just used keepvid.com.

    5. Re:Time by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      I used Greasemonkey with the Youtube Video Download script. It embeds a button on the page and doesn't involve external sites. It's pretty handy if you watch/keep a lot of stuff on Youtube.

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      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    6. Re:Time by oojah · · Score: 1

      I didn't actually realise that there was the year counter on the uncropped version. That's actually useful, thanks.

      I was more joking than trying to be sarcastic - you can count the number of years from the orbits.

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  12. Osmos by Elgonn · · Score: 1

    Someone just faked that whole thing taking a fraps video of Osmos.

  13. Gives me a cool idea... by boneclinkz · · Score: 5, Funny

    For a potential video game. You pilot a small spaceship, and your job is to shoot asteroids with your laser cannon as they appear. When an asteroid is hit, it breaks into several smaller asteroids. You then have to shoot those asteroids until they break up into asteroids so small that they are no longer a danger. If an asteroid impacts your spaceship, you die.

    I think they should call it The Ship that Shoots a Laser Cannon.

    1. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      Just for grins why don't you make it have a third person point of view. It could also appear to be a old fashion radar screen with just green outlines...

    2. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by bazorg · · Score: 1

      Lame name. How about " 'roid rage"?

    3. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by GayBliss · · Score: 1

      How about " 'roid rage"?

      With a ship captain named Preparation H

    4. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Oooh! And then you could have a CPA in a Ford rental drive past every few minutes you have to shoot before he bean counts all your asteroids and audits you. Or, maybe something more contextual.

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    5. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      You might be joking but i would play a game that somehow fetches data from some public NASA server. Caches it and then fiddles with the scales so as not to make it too boring. And then you shoot those.

    6. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to add warp drive and first contact with aliens

    7. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I got an idea for the song for you game... it goes like this.

      dooot DOOOT dooot DOOOT

      Then when stuff starts getting hairy it speeds up, like so:

      dootDOOTdootDOOT

    8. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Took me a while to remember what this reminded me of. For those still struggling to remember, it was Homer Simpson's description of the movie "Speed" (a.k.a. "The bus that couldn't slow down")

      - RG>

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    9. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and have a frog trying to cross a road and river and stuff. The space ship can shoot at the frog in space.

    10. Re:Gives me a cool idea... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Too bad so very few will have the chance to teleoperate future moon rovers / robots. I hope anybody doing them will at least put a live stream on the web...

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  14. Cool. And Scary. by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Watching that video is incredibly cool and the geek in my is really impressed with it on many levels. I must admit, however, I also find it kinda scary. I guess ignorance is bliss - I know that there are a ton of rocks floating around out there but seeing it graphically presented like that just makes me think it's damn lucky we haven't be pulverized into the stone age...

    I'm going to focus, instead, on just how cool it was because, really, it was damn cool.

    1. Re:Cool. And Scary. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I know that there are a ton of rocks floating around out there

      A lot more than a ton. If you put all the rocks in the asteroid belt together you'd probably have a new planet. The asteroid Ceres is called a "dwarf planet" in wikipedia. The protoplanet Vesta is 530 km in diameter.

    2. Re:Cool. And Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "I must admit, however, I also find it kinda scary."

      If it helps, at the real scale of the real solar system, those dots should probably be the size of an atom in your computer display.

    3. Re:Cool. And Scary. by Confusador · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you'd probably get a planet, but not a very large one. From the wiki:

      The total mass of the asteroid belt is estimated to be 3.0×1021 to 3.6×1021 kilograms, which is just 4% of the Moon.

    4. Re:Cool. And Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of the scale they're using, the video is a little unrealistic. Yes, the Asteroid Belt is real, however I'm not losing any sleep over the fact that if a 'global killer' is spotted to intercept earth within the next decade, there's little we as humans can do about it. We sure as hell could try, but our prevelance for apathy and greed has made me cynical to think we could get our shit together in time.

      Have a decent beer with dinner tonight, and sleep well. I plan to.

    5. Re:Cool. And Scary. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Take comfort in the fact that the dots on the video are thousands, perhaps millions, times scale size for the space they are presented in.

      Space is big, really big. Still a scary video, though.

    6. Re:Cool. And Scary. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, but even so, there's evidence that at least two major extinction events were caused by asteroid impacts here on Earth over the last billion years, most notably the K-T event. Because of the relative emptiness of space, these impacts don't happen very often, but it's been tens of millions of years since the last major impact, so it'd really suck if the next one were only a few decades away.

      For the religious people out there: maybe God has been protecting us from these asteroids for a while, while we had no technology. Now that we do, and have no excuse for not being able to deal with these threats ourselves, perhaps he'll stop protecting us, to see if we can get our shit together in time to save ourselves. I'm not hopeful.

    7. Re:Cool. And Scary. by shokk · · Score: 1

      'm gonna make a big leap of faith here, but I think that video is not to scale. The gap you see between the third blue dot and some of those other dots are on what we like to call "a planetary scale". And they have hit us before!

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  15. My God by mc6809e · · Score: 1

    It's full of rocks!

    1. Re:My God by asnelt · · Score: 1

      Shit! All those asteroids. We are so screwed. We're all gonna die!

  16. What sort of work? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Did you work as a miner? Shuttle pilot? What??

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  17. Next blink, 2012. by xigxag · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lookie, you heathen scum! Creationism is vindicated! What's that you see glimmering by the end of the video? It's the eye of God!!! That proves He exists. Y'all scientists done hoist yerselves by your own atheistic little petards, aincha? Gaze into His ocular glory, that greenish, ominous, malevolent, downright wicked...hey wait a second, you're not fooling me, you used summa that false color tricknology to make Him look evil didn't ya?

    Next time show us His true colors -- red, white and blue.

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    1. Re:Next blink, 2012. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      I dunno, looked kinda meatball-shaped to me... I'm going to go to Church in full pirate regalia, just in case. Cover all my bases.

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  18. Creepy by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

    Very creepy...

  19. Some notes From The Creator by szyzyg · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hadn't quite finished this, I wanted to record a voiceover, but a friend submitted it before I was ready.

    So essentially the video shows asteroids which are known, so in the early portions around 1980 we have less than 10,000 and by the start of this month we have over half a million. Asteroids are highlighted on discovery and within a second they fade to the colour appropriate to their orbit (Green, Yellow and Red), asteroids are usually observed intensely around discovery and once an orbit is determined observers can go back and follow up to refine the exact elements, I only show the discovery, not follow up measurements. This does mean that a number of the objects that are being plotted have orbits that may be so poorly determined that they are 'lost in space' because they were only observed for a short time and by the time people attempted to follow up they were lost.

    At the start of the videos, the 1980's, CCD's weren't used for astronomy, photographic plates were the primary technology for imaging the sky, furthermore, there were no digital systems for identifying asteroids on these plates, so while many asteroids were no doubt imaged they were generally not of interest to the observers who were probably taking nice pictures of nebula or other photogenic phenomena. Many of the discoveries in the 1980's were still made visually by minor planet hunters who knew what they were looking for. One of the earliest 'bursts' in the video is most likely related to observations of Jupiter searching for new moons around the giant planet, they'd look for objects moving on the plates and then make an orbit determination to see if it was a moon, it's waaaaay cooler to find a moon since they're a rarer commodity, but if you merely find an asteroid at least you get a chance to name it.

    By the time we get to the mid 1990's we start to see automated sky search programmes like LINEAR, LONEOS, Spacewatch and the Catalina Sky Survey and these are primarily searching for asteroids in opposition since they're closer to Earth and at peak brightness so you can see a discovery cluster radiating out from the Earth.

    In the last 8 months you see WISE which is a satellite performing a full sky survey in the Infrared, its scans the sky at 90 degrees to the sun, so its discovery pattern is very distinctive.

    1. Re:Some notes From The Creator by meekg · · Score: 1

      Oh blessed be Thou who is THE CREATOR. I am not worthy of your NOTES. What are those CCDs you speak of?

    2. Re:Some notes From The Creator by natehoy · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge-coupled_device

      Think "digital photography", hence the comparison with photographic plates.

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    3. Re:Some notes From The Creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the WISE surveys kick in, you can see distinct, concentric distances of observation and discovery. Why?

    4. Re:Some notes From The Creator by pz · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see more of the animation at the end, showing the dynamics of all these objects. That's fascinating!

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    5. Re:Some notes From The Creator by zzyzyx · · Score: 1

      When you say 90 degrees to the Sun, is it 90 degrees to the ecliptic plane?

      Could you upload a higher quality version somewhere? The Youtube video has a lot of compression artifacts.

    6. Re:Some notes From The Creator by Jace+Harker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would love to see the original, full resolution video. Could you upload it somewhere, or perhaps put it up on BitTorrent?

      Also, what data sets did you use in the preparation of this movie? I would be interested to see the orbit specifications for all of these asteroids.

    7. Re:Some notes From The Creator by kwoff · · Score: 1

      Point a camera at the sky, get 2-D images at certain moments in time, and somehow dots on the images can be distinguished from dots discovered decades ago. It's amazing how they can all be kept track of.

    8. Re:Some notes From The Creator by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Blessings on you, the Creator for your Intelligent Design ;)
      Have you considered a horizontal split-screen, with the current perpendicular angle above the ecliptic, and another view parallel (or maybe offset 15 degrees or so) to the ecliptic?
      Again, awesome work, thanks for making it.

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  20. Asteroids do not concern me by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Unless they're red

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  21. remnants of a planet? by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

    There's lots of rocks out there. I wonder how much mass they all add up to. The theory in The Twelfth Planet ( http://www.amazon.com/12th-Planet-Earth-Chronicles-Book/dp/038039362X ), which sounds a bit farfetched since the author states it is gathered from ancient tablets that were dictated to us by aliens, is something like: There was a big planet around where Earth is now. This 12th planet (Moon, Sun + Pluto also being 'planets') with a 3600-year orbit came into our solar system and came really close to it. I think the moon split off from it, then another moon, which shattered to become this asteroid belt, and what was left (with the modified orbit) was Earth. Other pieces that broke off from the planet were flung away and became comets. This is all from memory, so it might not be accurate. Interesting theory, though.

    1. Re:remnants of a planet? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The orbital mechanics of that is insanely complicated (and unlikely). Plus, where is this "twelfth planet" now? Why did it cause so much havok on only a single approach and hasn't done squat since?

    2. Re:remnants of a planet? by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

      dnno, it was suppose to have been here 600 BC, will be here 3000 AD. would be somewhere we haven't detected. he did say it triggered the great flood. didn't say why it hasn't messed stuff up since its other approaches. any strange things hapening in ancient history aroudn 600BC?

    3. Re:remnants of a planet? by yyxx · · Score: 1

      The total mass of the asteroid belt is about 4% of the mass of the moon. So, no, not enough for a whole planet. The composition and orbits are wrong for being a result of the earth/moon formation. Comets mostly come from the Oort cloud.

    4. Re:remnants of a planet? by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

      That would be an awesomely simple rebuttal. Is that 4% the mass of asteroids we know of, or estimated total mass?

    5. Re:remnants of a planet? by yyxx · · Score: 1

      That's the estimated total amount. I don't think the undiscovered tail of small objects really can amount to much mass anyway, however.

      (Note that that's not my rebuttal, it's the standard reason given in astronomy.)

  22. Seasons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what seasons are where. I noticed that there were few discoveries towards the top and bottom of the video near the beginning. Then later on, discoveries near the top became more common, but even to the end, discoveries near the bottom were rare, except for the WISE discoveries. It's like there's a 1 or 2 month period every year when all the discoveries stop. Why is that?

    1. Re:Seasons? by flug · · Score: 1

      This was answered above by spacemandave:

      You'll also notice that during much of the 2000s, there is a gap in discoveries at about the 5 o'clock position. This corresponds to monsoon season in the southwest U.S. (roughly July to mid September). Most of the discovered asteroids in the past decade were made by the Catalina Sky Survey, based just outside of Tucson, AZ, and they generally don't bother observing during monsoon season because of the increase in cloud cover.

  23. I don't get it. by Motard · · Score: 1

    What keys do I press to select the BFG?

  24. Size and Why No Planet? by transami · · Score: 1

    How big are these asteroids? They must be tiny on average otherwise I don't see how we can still be here. We are swimming in the things.

    Also why hasn't the asteroid belt become a planet? What prevents the rocks for grouping together?

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    1. Re:Size and Why No Planet? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      How big are these asteroids? They must be tiny on average otherwise I don't see how we can still be here. We are swimming in the things.

      From a few hundred kilometers across down to dust particles. There are around a million objects over 1km in size.

      Also why hasn't the asteroid belt become a planet? What prevents the rocks for grouping together?

      I think the leading theory is that Jupiter's gravity disturbs the belt enough that it can't accrete into a planet.

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    2. Re:Size and Why No Planet? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      They're tiny. And the probably didn't become a planet (or large planetoid - even all together they're not very big) because Jupiter's gravity keeps things well stirred up.

  25. Those odds aren't that bad by Velodra · · Score: 1

    at least two [...] over the last billion years

    So a few asteroid impacts every billion years or so? There are probably many other things that are more dangerous than that.

    1. Re:Those odds aren't that bad by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Like what?

      Sure, hurricanes are far more frequent, with big ones hitting every decade or less. However, the damage they cause is very minimal: at most, they might destroy one city. Big deal.

      Tsunamis can cause more damage, mainly because so many people live near oceans. But these happen even less frequently than hurricanes, but they kill more people. The one in 2004 killed 250,000, in several locations such as India and Indonesia.

      Tornadoes are scary-looking, but basically harmless. The most they usually do is take out one town in the midwest, with death tolls in the mere hundreds.

      An asteroid impact, however, would probably wipe out most or all of human civilization. They may not happen often, but when they do, everyone dies. Ask the dinosaurs (of whom only the birds survived). Do you really want to bet the survival of your civilization on the fact that these impacts are relatively rare? The dinosaurs tried that, and it didn't work out too well for them.

      Considering that we actually have the technology now to 1) locate, observe, and track Earth-crossing asteroids, 2) launch spacecraft to intercept asteroids, and 3) change the course of asteroids (thanks to the thermonuclear bomb), keeping our heads in the sand because we're too lazy to watch out for and deal with exterior threats is inexcusable.

    2. Re:Those odds aren't that bad by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Considering that we actually have the technology now to 1) locate, observe, and track Earth-crossing asteroids, 2) launch spacecraft to intercept asteroids, and 3) change the course of asteroids (thanks to the thermonuclear bomb), keeping our heads in the sand because we're too lazy to watch out for and deal with exterior threats is inexcusable.

      BBC filmed some penguins fighting off seal attacks, the pitiful little black flipper trying to slap away the oncoming hungry seal looks like it has a better chance than we do of redirecting a direct hit, such as might come from a close approach redirection from Mars or even Ceres or similar planetoids. Those rocks have been orbiting for billions of years, so most of the radical restructuring of their orbits has happened already, the cloud is mostly stable, but once in awhile one of them does get flung in a crazy new direction.

      If we've got tens of years to avert a near miss, we might pull that off with chemical rockets and H-bombs, but redirecting a K-T sized rock that's on a solid strike course within 90 days, sorry, no, should have built those lunar colonies sooner.

      Sad thought #2, a successful redirection of a significantly sized rock could possibly de-stabilize the local cloud...

    3. Re:Those odds aren't that bad by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If we've got tens of years to avert a near miss, we might pull that off with chemical rockets and H-bombs, but redirecting a K-T sized rock that's on a solid strike course within 90 days, sorry, no, should have built those lunar colonies sooner.

      That's part of my point. For even the biggest H-bombs to work, you need to have plenty of warning, because it takes an enormous amount of energy to divert an asteroid, and the sooner you do it, the greater effect you have. So you need to have monitoring and tracking systems in place to predict the courses of asteroids, so that you DO have plenty of time (like years or decades) to launch an H-bomb up there and divert any that are a threat.

      With a sufficiently advanced monitoring system that predicts asteroids' trajectories, including the effects of passing by other large objects (which may greatly alter their paths), we could be reasonably safe from asteroid impacts. But instead, we're basically doing nothing right now. There's a few people watching out for them, but there's zero plans for any type of system to deal with them even if we do have decades of advance notice.

  26. youtube-dl is handy for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/v/S_d-gs0WoUw

    downloads the highest quality version automatically.

  27. It is just me, or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there a shitload of asteroids zooming dangerously close in and out of our orbit?

    1. Re:It is just me, or by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Remember the 3rd dimension

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  28. Considering Future Applcations... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    What are those rocks made of? And given that their made from some heavy elements, what could either Venus, or Titan offer to lighten objects up?

    1. Re:Considering Future Applcations... by yyxx · · Score: 1

      Mostly rock, some ice, some metal. Probably good for mining, and a prime target for future space exploration. Potentially, these are better candidates for human settlement than any other solar system body.

    2. Re:Considering Future Applcations... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      If a raw material is out of the gravity well, isn't gathering it for processing a little easier?

  29. discrete distances by yyxx · · Score: 1

    Towards the end of the video, a lot of the asteroids seem to be detected on discrete shells--around half a doze equally spaced shells through the asteroid belt. Where does that structure come from? I assume it's an artifact of the measuring process.