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Samsung Shows Off Galaxy Tab, Android Allegiance
cgriffin21 writes "Samsung is making no bones about it: Google Android is its future. And with the revealing of the Samsung Galaxy Tab, the company is showing that it's all in when it comes to Android. At the IFA consumer electronics show in Berlin, Samsung finally pulled the curtain off the long-rumored and teased Galaxy Tab, the electronics maker's touch-screen tablet and answer to the Apple iPad."
29 cookies, really CRN.COM, is that completely required?
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The Galaxy looks pretty sweet...but I'm excited about the plethora of tablets that will be hitting the market soon. Having choice is a good thing, and it will be nice to not have choice limited to a locked-down "appliance".
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Linky.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Why bother? They link to a guardian article from whence all the real information comes anyway. No pricing, no hardware specs, really no useful information beyond a commitment to Android.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
No, seriously, I mean it. I don't want to be locked in, in some app-shop.
Should it run Ubuntu's Maverick, I'll go for one, sure.
Should it be a locked-up version, I'll skip it.
Maybe we should try a poll, so that Samsung can still liberate the hardware?
Take a look at the images here and tell me that's not some kind of proprietary, non-standard connector.
The most notes I could find on it were:
"Connectivity
30 pin connector"
What the fsck, Samsung? Why couldn't you just have used the industry standard microUSB plug?
Ugghhh...
coding is life
which include the first Android device from Samsung, the Galaxy S.
My Samsung Moment and the Intercept would beg to differ. The writer didn't do much research on Samsung's product offerings.
This is a common problem of Samsung's. Their update process is VERY slow. Ask Moment owners (like myself) how long it took them to release 2.1 to those of us running 1.6. Not sure why it takes them so long to update...but it does. Regardless, why switch to iPhones when you can switch to HTC (EVO) or Motorola (Droid)?
Some Samsung android phones are famous for their closed source addons by Samsung, is this also the case? What level of incompatibility, if any, could we expect from a developer point of view?
A couple of reviews of Flash running on Android 2.2 have come out. I submitted this story awhile ago to the editors but for some reason (anti-Apple bias?) they chose not to run it.
"shockingly bad" http://newteevee.com/2010/08/31/video-flash-on-android-is-startlingly-bad/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+OmMalik+(GigaOM)
"Weak Android player proves Steve Jobs right": http://blog.laptopmag.com/mobile-flash-fail-weak-android-player-proves-jobs-right
From the reviews:
"Adobe needs to have a better answer to whether or not Flash is still relevant in a world where other technologies have rapidly started displacing it. Based on my early experience with Flash Player 10.1 for mobile, it could soon join the floppy drive in the tech graveyard, something else Steve Jobs helped kill."
and
"While in theory Flash video might be a competitive advantage for Android users, in practice it’s difficult to imagine anyone actually trying to watch non-optimized web video on an Android handset, all of which makes one believe that maybe Steve Jobs was right to eschew Flash in lieu of HTML5 on the iPhone and iPad."
So is it better to have a sucky experience or none at all?
Create an open source ebook system and expand the Android marketplace to make it dead simple for authors to skip the middle man and sell directly to Android users.
1080p support on most electronics actually refers to "output" and not selfsame screen resolution
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Second the HTC/Motorola comment.
Particularly the Droid. If I weren't such a cheap bastard, I would have gotten that instead of the Moment.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
the price is not, it is 700 Euros which is more expensive than the iPad 9 inch version and it only has seven inches screensize.
I just wonder how many of those Samsung wants to sell here with their pay more get less politics...
You bought a phone that didn't support the thing you needed to use it for. You're moaning that it doesn't do something you knew it wouldn't. How seriously did Ford take you when you complained that your car still doesn't hover or fly?
Perhaps you can complain to apple that they won't upgrade your iPhones to iOS 5 when you get them.
That story states that it has a 1024x600 screen, yet 1080p HD video playback. It has no video output port, according to the description.
False advertising or bad fact checking when writing the description?
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Exactly what kind of connector do they have plugged into the bottom of that thing? I thought we had gotten past this... my last 3 phones have all had charging and data connectivity of USB. Please don't tell me that a flagship product (other than Apple of course) is going away from industry standards yet again.
This is the first device I have seen where I've gone, wow, this has real business potential.
We can port our Flex (Flash) based applications to this using Air or through the web (with the settings set in the browser to only run plugins on demand). The resolution is also very good.
I'm quite excited by this.
Why claim to support 1080p if you can't display it without scaling it down to a lesser resolution?
Because you already have 1080p videos on your PC or camcorder and don't want to spend a lot of time transcoding them to "retina display" size before putting them on your phone. Or because you can buy an HDMI dock and connect its output to your 1080p LCD HDTV.
So is it better to have a sucky experience
That depends. Does Homestar Runner play in HTML5? Does Weebl and Bob? Do the animations on Albino Blacksheep, JibJab, or Newgrounds? These are vector animations, which would be ten times bigger if transcoded to VP8 or H.264. Perhaps we can see more use of HTML5 should Synfig or KToon become more popular, but right now, animators know Adobe Flash.
Obviously the screen isn't magically going to mutate into a 1080p monster when you play back 1080p material, but just being able to watch that material without needing to reencode it first is already a massive bonus.
Remember life before Rockplayer? Even DivX/XviD had to be reencoded so that you could watch it on Android...
you don't understand
he told his boss how much iphone sucks because it's closed and android is open and now he has egg on his face because the new cool phone doesn't work with his infrastructure. while the closed iphone does.
I expect Samsung's tech specs will weasel out of this by saying their device is capable of displaying a 1080p signal, not necessarily displaying a 1080p native resolution. It would be sweet if it could of course, but on a 7" perhaps it's asking too much.
Most likely its downscaling, it says Full HD (1080p) Video Player.. so it seems to be technically referring to the software's ability to play 1080p, not the LCD screen. Pretty misleading.
No, it's called bad reading comprehension. It just downscales it to the screen.
All Galaxy S phones so far have DLNA built in. So HD video output is now wireless.
7" is too big. It isn't really portable as in throwing it in your pocket or using a belt clip.
7" is too small. It really won't hold a full page PDF/Comic.
If I was on the go I would prefer pocketable 5" (Dell streak size).
For at home or a transportable (requiring a bag) I would actually prefer 10+ and about 1200x800 resolution for looking full screen at PDFs/Comics.
An attempt to fill both niches meets none of them very well.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Motorola has the same issues as Samsung for release time on their updates. I'm using a Droid and I'm still stuck on 2.1 because they haven't released the 2.2 update yet, even though 2.2 has been available for months. The update time from carriers on these software packages are ridiculous. By the time I get to use the software it is completely obsolete and Google will have its next version ready to go.
I wouldn't mind if they'd said full 720p on a 600-line screen, but it's 1080p. That's almost double the resolution the screen is physically capable of.
That's some serious stat-padding.
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Galaxy S phones can connect to a TV using an HDMI or composite adapter.
Is it out of the realm of possibility for the tablet to have the same connection options?
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Its 600 lines PER EYE. Since most people have two eyes I think we can all agree that 1200>1080.
I, for one, welcome our new...ah, skip it.
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Ditto for HTC. The MT3G waited for a while for updates, G1 of course is EOL and won't get anything official past 1.6 due to memory constraints, and any number of HTC boxen are just waiting for promised updates.
Expecting a lot of work on phones that are either no longer sold or are well past their most popular moment is pretty useless. Buying an Android phone with the expectation that it will be upgraded promptly is also unwise - if you think buying a Ford on the premise that it will get some massive 'magic' upgrades without cost makes sens, then you're not in my reality.
ps- The Exchange on non-standard ports problem plagues many platforms and clients. If you know this, you can't buy a phone to access your corporate mail without checking this FIRST. Do I need to repeat this louder and slower?
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
So you're poo pooing the whole product based on a news website's spelling mistake. Seriously dude, just come out and say "I'm an apple fan and think this thing sucks". You would at least make more sense then all the nonsense you posted.
Apparently, the way to go for money-making, currently, is to provide Aldiko with your material in epub format, and they build a sort-of statically-linked app for each book. Of course they'd still have to leverage the License Server. (And please, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not completely clear on the details, especially considering that the licensing server was cracked already.)
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That story states that it has a 1024x600 screen, yet 1080p HD video playback. It has no video output port, according to the description.
From what I have seen from the (unofficial) list of accessories, there is an HDMI out adapter for the connector on the device. I'm assuming that this means 1080p capabilities for the video out.
Because the development kit of the imitation is free. I can upload my own applications without the need to jailbroken it beforehand.
For only $99/year you can do the same with an iPad. And for that price you get a ton of development resources, including video from every WWDC (Apple developer conference) from last year, along with supported early access to new builds.
For someone already buying something that's going to be an extra device in addition to a computer, I just can't see getting too worked up over a $99/year fee to develop.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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Talk about cheap...
Check your premises.
Two words and a number: Toshiba Folio 100
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/toshiba-folio-100-goes-official-399-euros-in-q4/
More or less the same specs for half the price, and a decent sized screen (399)... Now that I could get on board with.
http://carrypad.com/2010/09/02/galaxy-tab-first-thoughts/
Chippy is usually accurate:
Price? 799 Euro.
WOW!
That's a huge amount of money. Now who's buying?
bada? I wonder what the default search tool is on it...
But bada from the wiki article you linked to is just for 'dumb' phones. Smart phones? Future is Andriod(for everyone but Apple).
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
It plays 1080p videos at 1024x600 resolution. Yes, the way they say it is confusing, but they aren't 'false advertising'.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
It does have HDMI out. There is an HDMI dock for it.
This is a Microsoft issue. If the Exchange protocol were properly open, you would have a plethora of email clients to choose from rather than just those who are bothered to go to the effort of reverse engineering.
Sucks to buy Microsoft.
Ug. Reply was supposed to be to original poster.
You are correct that the screen doesn't have enough pixels to do justice to 1080p. However, I disagree that this is misleading.
They are saying that you can play 1080p video on the thing. As in, there is enough horsepower there to decode the 1080p video, then downsample it to fit on the screen. If you have 1080p video files, you can play them on the thing without needing to transcode them first. This will be particularly interesting if you can stream them off your media server. I don't really want to store all my movies multiple times in multiple transcoded formats; do you?
What would make that significantly more interesting would be if they had an HDMI port, so that you could play 1080p video to an external device such as a giant flatscreen TV. The Galaxy Tab doesn't seem to have one, but I'll bet other Android tablets will have one.
The latest generation of netbooks come with HDMI ports, by the way. I'm somewhat drooling over the Acer Aspire AS1551-5448. (What a catchy name! Don't you get thrilled by all the 1's, 5's, and 4's?) This is an 11.6" screen netbook with a dual-core processor, a graphics accelerator, and a (just barely) full-sized keyboard.
http://www.netbooknews.com/3780/acer-aspire-1551-amd-athlon-powered-by-ii-neo-k625/
I'm torn. Part of me wants to buy the Acer netbook, and part of me wants to hold out for a smartbook with a Tegra 2 processor and a Pixel Qi screen, for crazy long battery life.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Samsung claims that bada will rapidly replace its proprietary feature phone platform, converting feature phones to smartphones.
From the linked wiki article.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Aha! According to Engadget, the 30-pin dock connector does include HDMI.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/
So I'd say the ability to play 1080p video is a valid thing to brag about.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
I bought a Samsung i7500 last October that came with Android 1.5. The most recent update? Android 1.5. Samsung don't give a shit. Last product I will ever buy from them. Last time I will have an o2 mobile phone contract.
How seriously did Ford take you when you complained that your car still doesn't hover or fly?
NOT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH, Goddamnit!
yes, but it is much more powerful (higher clock CPU, better IPC variant of the arm, etc.)
Also, apparantly no release of the moment has been lacking in huge bugs.
I'm one of the lucky ones - the worst I get, is every couple weeks my phone megically goes into Airplane mode, and I have to restart it to get it out.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
I wonder if K9-Mail can handle the nonstandard ports issue?
I use it because it sucks less than the default android mail app, but where I work doesn't use exchange... yet.
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
Why do you feel sorry for anyone in my position? I didn't need to root the moment, though I could. It does what I need, but I would like the better performance and nicer hardware keyboard of the Droid/Droid 2.
The Samsung keyboard seemed ok, but after using it for a while, I found the odd button shape makes it hard to touch-type.
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Thank you so much for that link, that other one to that original article site was so sketchy. Who the hell puts asterisks in a filename?
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