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The Push For Colbert's "Restoring Truthiness" Rally

jamie writes "A grassroots campaign has begun to get Stephen Colbert to hold a rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to counter Glenn Beck's recent 'Restoring Honor' event. The would-be rally has been dubbed 'Restoring Truthiness' and was inspired by a recent post on Reddit, where a young woman wondered if the only way to point out the absurdity of the Tea Party's rally would be if Colbert mirrored it with his own Colbert Nation.'"

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  1. Count me in by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

    If he will resort to weeping publicly over his concern for our great Republic, I will show up and offer him a kleenex. It's only decent.

    1. Re:Count me in by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Knock what you want, but Beck must be doing something right. Now everyone wants to hold a rally...

    2. Re:Count me in by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, in case you needed more of a reason, the proposed date is 10/10/10... Are you thinking what I'm thinking? 101010 in binary=42 in decimal. The answer is right in front of us!

    3. Re:Count me in by humphrm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, Beck was the first one to think to hold a rally, and now everyone else is just mimicking Beck.

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    4. Re:Count me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was sad enough to see Beck's shameless self promotion, let alone to now see Colbert's cynical copycatting of shameless self-promotion

      Haver you never seen Colbert's show?

    5. Re:Count me in by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Colbert's entire shtick is parodying shamelessly self promoting pundits like "Papa Bear" O'Reilly and Beck.

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    6. Re:Count me in by LaRainette · · Score: 2, Informative

      No he hasn't.
      OR he has a very keen and subtle sens of sarcasm.

    7. Re:Count me in by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, the Nation of Islam and the Million Man March did it first

      It goes back longer than that. Hell, even the crowds that went to see MLK Jr weren't the first to organize a protest or march at the National Mall.

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    8. Re:Count me in by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Funny

      But that's for the British convention of dd/mm/yy. What happens if you read October 10th with mm/dd/yy?

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    9. Re:Count me in by alta · · Score: 2, Funny

      It goes back longer than that. Jesus was pretty good at holding a rally. And before him, Moses could rally the troops and get them to march through the freakin desert for years! Damn, noah could even rally the animals!

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    10. Re:Count me in by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know about MLK, but I was talking about more recent, like in the lifetimes of most /.ers and myself.

      Besides, I didn't want to equate Beck with MLK or with other giant marches like March on Washington

      Million man, Promise Keepers are more in line with Beck's motives

    11. Re:Count me in by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jesus and Moses were at the National Mall?

      I've never read the Book of Mormon, but I don't think the National Mall makes an appearance in it, but Jesus is here in the New World.

    12. Re:Count me in by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2

      Million man, Promise Keepers are more in line with Beck's motives

      Shameless self-promotion? :)

      FWIW, I think Beck's motives are purely personal. I do honestly believe that the organizers of both the Million Man March and Promise Keepers actually wanted to effect change with their marches (though self-aggrandizement likely played a role too). I don't believe Beck actually honestly believes the shit he spews.

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    13. Re:Count me in by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Glenn Beck is a hyper-active ex junkie who is in it to make a ton of money while spewing insanity.

      I thin Glenn Beck is crazy enough to believe himself.

      There was alot of shameless self-promotion in the motivation of both Louis Farrakhan and Bill McCartney, and I think both were focused on dividing rather than uniting. Same for Beck.

    14. Re:Count me in by rubicelli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *whoosh*

    15. Re:Count me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thus proving that 42 = 24.

    16. Re:Count me in by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thin Glenn Beck is crazy enough to believe himself.

      That's scary... it would take some special kind of crazy for that to be true.

      I don't think he really buys it... I think he's like a modern-day Joseph Smith... or at least wants to be.

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    17. Re:Count me in by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yea, I Godwined Beck.

      Does it even count on someone who has an established history of playing video clips of the nazis when talking about his political opponents?

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    18. Re:Count me in by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the part about Colbert I always found so awesome...through parody, he speaks more truth than those with a "serious" agenda.

      Of course, nothing is funnier than someone who thinks Colbert is serious. My friend's mom is a die hard conservative, and she thought Colbert was serious about everything he did (taking it as Comedy Central's counterpoint to The Daily Show, in the interest of being balanced.) I showed her clips of Colbert getting his start on The Daily Show, and of him talking politics outside of his "Colbert" character.

      Her head exploded.

    19. Re:Count me in by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was responding to this:

      It was sad enough to see Beck's shameless self promotion, let alone to now see Colbert's cynical copycatting of shameless self-promotion

      I felt it was pretty obvious what my point was. It is not sad to see Colbert's 'cynical copycatting of shameless self promotion,' because that is what Colbert does, and has always done, and it's funny.

      It seems you have mistaken what I wrote to mean that I support Beck or O'Reilly. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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    20. Re:Count me in by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Funny

      But that's for the British convention of dd/mm/yy. What happens if you read October 10th with mm/dd/yy?

      I need my dates machine sortable. What happens if I use yy/mm/dd?

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    21. Re:Count me in by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Funny

      My God, it's windy in here.

    22. Re:Count me in by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Colbert" is in fact a persona not a real person,

      and the single best part of this is the Bush Administrations complete idoicy when they booked him for the White House Correspondents Dinner.

      That was pure gold.

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    23. Re:Count me in by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I seem to remember some other guy holding a rally at the Lincoln Memorial before Beck, went over really big too IIRC.

      Something about him having a dream or something like that.

    24. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And your point is... what exactly?

      His shtick is funny and has more truth in it than O'Reilly/GB's festering mouth(s) could ever dream of.

      Festering mouths? Really? Why the hatred? I mean, it's OK to disagree on the subject matter, but do you really need to literally HATE those with a different perspective on life? I believe yours and nearly every other post here, are proof that it's not the right that are the "hate mongers", but the left.

      So it's true. The left does project.

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    25. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Colbert" is in fact a persona not a real person, that is the personality on screen is not as he is in real life. The whole thing is a sarcastic cynical look at Fox News talk shows and other self important talking heads. That's why some people think it's funny, others (without a sense of humor) are offended.

      I don't find him funny. It's not that I don't have a sense of humor, it's that I no longer find a joke funny after hearing it over and over and over and over again. We get it. Colbert thinks Bill O'Reilly and what he believes are conservative talk show hosts are ignorant, racist, bigoted, self serving, pompous asses. I got it in the first ten minutes the very first time I saw his show. After that, it's been the predictable telling of the same joke over and over and over again.

      As an example, compare that to South Park. In South Park, you have Ben Afleck with an ass-face, Tom Cruize packing fudge and won't come out of the closet, Mel Gibson smearing poo all over the walls, Cartman as Beck, Al Gore as himself warning us all about man-bear-pig, Scientologists as frauds, Jesus looking at porn and Mohammed in a pedo-bear costume. They piss off everyone. Even Stewart, who also spends much of his time roasting the right, will go after the occasional liberal on extremely rare occasion.

      "Colbert" is nothing more than a repetitive constant bashing of O'Reilly via parody and it gets old really, really, really fast.

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    26. Re:Count me in by jemtallon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Interesting. Why do you think this "left" and "right" exist? And assuming they do, why do you feel this "left" group all agree so uniformly with a couple slashdotters? Do they have a newsletter I've yet to subscribe to? I eagerly await your wisdom. Much love, Jem

    27. Re:Count me in by Romancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cannot contain the laughter...

      That was the perfect Colbert immitation of cyclical fallacy based arguments!

      Build a strawman, name it hatred, claim "literal" hatred, denounce the made up statement, over-generalize and claim as proof.
      The last line though, was absolute perfection. Projecting your own hatred in a statement about projection.

      Classic Colbert.

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    28. Re:Count me in by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but Colbert and others continue to tell us all that nothing's wrong

      Jon Stewart and Colbert are constantly talking about the budget problems lately...they both do many things, but acting like nothing is wrong certainly isn't one of them.

    29. Re:Count me in by Nimey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Best Thing Ever was when some Bush-administration lackey took Colbert seriously enough to invite him to speak at the 2006 White House Correspondents' dinner.

      That speech made Colbert forever one of my personal heroes.

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    30. Re:Count me in by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno. I think Beck doesn't necessarily believe what he says, but he /does/ believe (not without justification) that his viewers are morons who will believe whatever he tells them, as long as he includes the magic incantation to tell them to do their own research.

      The man's *very* well paid to spread conservative propaganda.

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    31. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry. But do Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly have some kind of dental infection that I'm not aware of? No? Then the "festering mouths" comment is a personal attack, an insult not to refute or forward arguments, but to insult these men personally.

      So, yeah, that is what I'd call a hateful attack, or in more general terms, an attack based on hate. So, if it really was a hateful personal attack, then it was not a strawman, which is what your entire point was based on.

      Here, let me try to say it in simpler terms so maybe you might understand:

      Strange that every time I see an argument against the Tea Party or conservatives in general, it is almost always based on how hateful conservatives are. Yet, here are 300 comments, nearly all of which are based on personal attacks and insults.

      So, I ask again, project much?

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    32. Re:Count me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      > I don't find him funny. It's not that I don't have a sense of humor, it's that I no longer find a joke funny after hearing it over and over and > over and over again. We get it. Colbert thinks Bill O'Reilly and what he believes are conservative talk show hosts are ignorant, racist,
      > bigoted, self serving, pompous asses. I got it in the first ten minutes the very first time I saw his show. After that, it's been the
      > predictable telling of the same joke over and over and over again.

      yeah, I expected this sentiment, and it's pretty obvious that you were offended with the stripe of this show, the political bent, and tuned out.

      Which is too bad, because when Colbert gets going, he gets going, and his range is far more versatile than you let up above..

      For example, here was his take on the supreme court case to strike down restrictions on corporate spending - 'let freedom ka-ching':

      http://vodpod.com/watch/2198494-colbert-the-word-let-freedom-ka-ching

      Extremely incisive, informative, and yes, funny. Or his take on the BP oil spill..

      http://www.in.com/videos/watchvideo-the-colbert-report-put-the-cursed-monkey-paw-down-8414401.html

      I'd say that in both cases he's dead on accurate, and dead on clever. It stays fresh precisely because of the creativity and range; if it were what you say, it would have died off long ago.

      Ed

    33. Re:Count me in by Grapplebeam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spoiler alert for Colbert's show: His show is CONSTANT shameless self-promotion. And it actually is shameless, rather than the incorrect usage that really means shameful. He also has the Captain America shield, so he's plot-device invincible.

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    34. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And your point is... what exactly?

      His shtick is funny and has more truth in it than O'Reilly/GB's festering mouth(s) could ever dream of.

      Festering mouths? Really? Why the hatred?

      Festering mouth is right, and its not hatred. Any Projection is on your part.
      If I see someone walking around with a festering wound for a mouth I don't hate them, but I sure am concerned that something dangerously ungood is happening.

      No, of course you don't hate them. You just call their mouth a "festering wound" and claim that their actions can only lead to "something dangerously ungood", but no hatred at all there.

      Of course, these people are only guilty of have a point of view that is different than your own and as we all know, anyone that does not agree with you has a "festering wound" for a mouth.

      Yeah. No personal attacks there. Only pure fact and logic. When someone disagrees with you, they are obviously scum of the earth with no hope of completing anything worth while. Seriously, how could I possibly refute the "festering mouth" argument? It's a plain to see as the Chewbacca defense and equally unrefutable.

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    35. Re:Count me in by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So your comparing a show on Comedy Central to a show on a cable news TV channel?

      The big difference is - yes both are showmen, but Glen takes it a step further by genuinely convincing his viewers that the scary stuff he reveals on his show is in fact true (and if you don't believe me - ask one of his many followers).

    36. Re:Count me in by markhahn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      South Part is all about pricking the pretentious, as outrageously as possible. Colbert does that too, but he's mainly about the politics, not the politicians. so yeah, Colbert isn't much fun if you don't actually care about politics. and why is it that you don't care about politics?

    37. Re:Count me in by Romancer · · Score: 4, Informative

      I suggest you read over your comment again and see if you can spot the hate in your own posts before commenting again. You are making it too easy to show what the problem is.

      Here's the wiki:
      A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

      Here's the specific types:
      1.Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
      2.Quoting an opponent's words out of context - i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
      3.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments - thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
      4.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
      5.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

      Without asking for details on why the poster used an adjective that's not a completely factual representation of "some kind of dental infection" you go off about how he/she has committed "what I'd call a hateful attack" and use that logic to condemn a group of people by generalizing a post or posts into a representation of the group which you disparage in a conclusion of "proof that it's not the right that are the "hate mongers", but the left." Finally using the name calling that you are supposedly denouncing.

      Try reading this:

      Strange that every time I see an argument against (group A), it is almost always based on how hateful (Group A) is.

      See any similarities between your own (generalized) statement and what you are trying to prove in your posts?

      By your own words you were participating and instigating that process. You based your post on how hateful a group is and used an example of someone using an adjective to give visual power to their opinion without asking or participating in a discussion based on facts, You purposly misconstrue it to suit your own hatefull indignation.

      Now you're in a bad spot because you have to avoid the recursion of having the original poster and yourself on the same path of having called the other side names. To leave your straw man misrepresentation a straight example: Do you think that by describing shows or people on one side as having "festering mouth(s)" is more accurately about claiming that they had a "dental infection" or that they were "spouting disease", as in hate or fear mongering? Now compare that to your own finger pointing and name calling and see how much better you and your side are for not spreading hatred without waiting for or wanting the facts or a discussion thereof.

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    38. Re: Count me in by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same with the Daily Show--they'll mock conservatives for their policies

      Policies, plural?

      Ten years ago they had "bomb Iraq" and "cut taxes on the rich" as the twin pillars of their platform, but since 2003 they've been down to one.

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    39. Re:Count me in by cvd6262 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Best Thing Ever was when some Bush-administration lackey took Colbert seriously enough to invite him to speak at the 2006 White House Correspondents' dinner.

      That speech made Colbert forever one of my personal heroes.

      You might want to brush up on the history of the White House Correspondents' Association's dinner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Correspondents'_Association . Yakov Smirnoff was the speaker in 1988.

      The content of Colbert's speech may have surprised some, but taking him "seriously" would have disqualified him from being considered as the speaker.

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    40. Re:Count me in by mdda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Default isn't a problem, since the US can simply print money : TRUE

      Holders of US currency (eg: most US citizens) won't care : FALSE

      If the US prints money, then Chinese exports get more expensive, and the dollars in your bank account become worth less and less. i.e. you get poorer (because you experience inflation). Printing money = a tax that no-one focusses on. If the dollar falls by 10% (say) then every piece of income, every piece of capital, becomes worth 10% less.

      OTOH, if you own a house (a fixed asset) and pay a mortgage (you owe dollars, not own dollars) then inflation is a win for you.

    41. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Colbert is about poking fun at CONSERVATIVE politics. That's why it gets old while South Park and even The Daily Show remain fresh. They spread it around.

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    42. Re:Count me in by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Holy crap! Don't know how I missed this one:

      Oh, no, there are all kinds of Glenn Beck fans. For instance, there is the crazy wing: libertarian crazies, religious crazies, racist crazies. Then there is the retard wing, home-schooled retards, closeted retards, old senile retards. We also have the diabolically evil faction, Wall Street evil, coal mining evil, big oil evil, the military industrial evil complex.

      Glen Beck's popularity spans all sorts of crazy, retarded and evil.

      Wow!!!! and we're the party of hate!

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  2. Go Stephen! by bhsx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, it was funny when it made the top page of Reddit. It was funnier when they acknowledged it on the Comedy Central blog. It will be the ultimate insult to GB and Fox WHEN Stephen gets about 1M more people there than Glen did.

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    1. Re:Go Stephen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but every political/issue rally is absurd. Million man march anyone? The countless demonstrations for the environment? Any rally with a politician?

      These events only serve to make the participants feel like they are doing something.

    2. Re:Go Stephen! by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What exactly is funny about it? I'm no Glenn Beck fan, he's a delusional religious nut. But I don't get what's deep about what basically amounts to "Durr, let's do a mock rally". Seriously, the idea to lampoon somebody is original or clever?

      He won't do it because anybody with half a brain sees how unoriginal, dreary, obvious, and boring the idea is. I don't watch his show, but going for the obvious tack doesn't seem his style.

    3. Re:Go Stephen! by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think the funniest thing would be the signs the Colbert supporters would be carrying. I'm picturing things like:

      "You'll Pry My Teller-Ulam Configuration Thermonuclear Device From My Cold Dead Hands! / 'The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed!"

      "Abortion Kills! / Also, Has Anybody Seen My Keys? I Think I Dropped Them Somewhere Around Here."

      "I Have A Third-Grade Education And I VOTE!"

      "Barack Obama Is An Incompetent Kenyan Socialist Buffoon Who's Carefully Engineering The Wholesale Restructuring Of Our Society For Militant Islam!"

      "Don't Tread On Me / (pic) / Because I'm A Snake And Stuff!"

      "I Don't Support Socialist Road Spending / I Took The Subway To The Protest!"

      "Bring Back The 1950s!"

      "There's A Gathering Storm Of Gays Coming For Your Kids. RUN! Run Like The Wind!"

      Oh, and probably a lot of chalkboards. ;)

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    4. Re:Go Stephen! by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jon Stewart does a much better parody of Beck anyway, with his leaping around and nonsensical chalkboards and crazy pauses where he acts like he's going to cry.

      Colbert is a parody of the more serious right-wing shows, not the histrionic and absurd Beck, which didn't really exist when he created that persona.

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    5. Re:Go Stephen! by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After a Colbert rally, I am quite confident that there will be trash all over the place.

      Huh... so I suppose you've done an in-depth survey, and have thus proven that Colbert Report viewers are slobs... or something?

      Fuck, I'm saddened, yet unsurprised, you got modded up... apparently there are 3-4 idiots out there who believe that baseless opinions insulting groups they dislike qualifies as "interesting".

    6. Re:Go Stephen! by sorak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no idea how many people will show up at a Colbert rally, but I can tell you one very significant difference between the rally that Glen Beck held and one that Colbert holds. After the Glen Beck rally, it looked like the grounds crew had just finished getting the place ready for an event, everything picked up and put away, no trash on the ground. After a Colbert rally, I am quite confident that there will be trash all over the place.

      I really hope that Colbert does hold such a rally, it will tell us a lot about what is going on in this country.

      So is that a relevant issue? Should we decide the merits of MLK based on how many litterbugs where in his crowd compared to an equivalently sized Klan meeting?

    7. Re:Go Stephen! by speederaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It will show that Americans care more about comedy than about politics. Why would it be surprising in a country where only a small percentage of the people vote?

      ..which makes sense since most Americans think that politics is a joke.

    8. Re:Go Stephen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So your "very significant" difference is at this time only in your expectations, since the Colbert event hasn't happened yet.

      I see one difference between a normal person and you, and that is that based only on my imagination, I am quite confident you eat your nail pickings.

    9. Re:Go Stephen! by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, you think we were on track to win in Vietnam? And it was the protests that screwed things up? And you think the citizens of Vietnam are 'relegated to live under communism?' Vietnam had one of the highest growth rates in the world since the government instituted free market reforms in 1986. Vietnam is a member of the WTO, and well respected in the international community. The human rights situation is still abysmal, but improving. Give it time and Vietnam will be indistinguishable from the free and prosperous hybrid socialist/free market economies of Europe. As of right now, their economy is doing quite a bit better than ours. Funny how it was capitalism that imploded recently, not socialism.

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    10. Re:Go Stephen! by masmullin · · Score: 2

      It's easy to get 1M MORE people to stand up for government handouts, affirmative action, race baiting, and pop culture coolness.

      ...than bigotry, ignorance, self aggrandization, and chalk boards? Yes, yes it is. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

    11. Re:Go Stephen! by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, you think we were on track to win in Vietnam? And it was the protests that screwed things up?

      Uh, yeah. We lost zero major battles in Vietnam. Exactly zero. Had the bombing campaign been allowed to continue and not been limited (again, due to liberal protests), we bet your ass we could have won that war.

      And you think the citizens of Vietnam are 'relegated to live under communism?' Vietnam had one of the highest growth rates in the world since the government instituted free market reforms in 1986.

      So, what you are saying is that Vietnam had one of the highest growth rates in the world since the government realized that communism doesn't really work and tossed aside all that "to each according to their need" bullshit.

      Vietnam is a member of the WTO, and well respected in the international community. The human rights situation is still abysmal, but improving.

      What gets me is the respect coming from you, even though you are fully aware that " The human rights situation is still abysmal...". A country with an "abysmal" human rights record is what we were there fighting to prevent. Populations don't want to be oppressed. They are forced to allow it to happen because the oppressor is stronger than they are and is either stronger or more staying power than those fighting for freedom.

      Give it time and Vietnam will be indistinguishable from the free and prosperous hybrid socialist/free market economies of Europe.

      You mean, like they could have had since 1975? How many souls spent their entire lives under oppression because someone thought that if we showed peace and love that the world would turn into a John Lennon song.

      As of right now, their economy is doing quite a bit better than ours.

      Really? While our economy sucks, it only sucks when compared to itself. Our economy grew more in the past year than the entire economy of Vietnam. The US GDP per capita is $46,381. Vietnam's is $2,942. Um, I think our economy is a bit better than Vietnam's. So, given your track record of "non-facts", I guess we can throw out your last point of "Funny how it was capitalism that imploded recently, not socialism."

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    12. Re:Go Stephen! by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, you think we were on track to win in Vietnam? And it was the protests that screwed things up?

      Uh, yeah. We lost zero major battles in Vietnam. Exactly zero. Had the bombing campaign been allowed to continue and not been limited (again, due to liberal protests), we bet your ass we could have won that war.

      Except the political battle.

      And you think the citizens of Vietnam are 'relegated to live under communism?' Vietnam had one of the highest growth rates in the world since the government instituted free market reforms in 1986.

      So, what you are saying is that Vietnam had one of the highest growth rates in the world since the government realized that communism doesn't really work and tossed aside all that "to each according to their need" bullshit.

      That would be a sterling example of winning a war by losing a battle and letting Vietnam realize that communism isn't a plausible way to run a country in the long term.

      Vietnam is a member of the WTO, and well respected in the international community. The human rights situation is still abysmal, but improving.

      What gets me is the respect coming from you, even though you are fully aware that " The human rights situation is still abysmal...". A country with an "abysmal" human rights record is what we were there fighting to prevent. Populations don't want to be oppressed. They are forced to allow it to happen because the oppressor is stronger than they are and is either stronger or more staying power than those fighting for freedom.

      We can't force democracy on people, by definition.

      Give it time and Vietnam will be indistinguishable from the free and prosperous hybrid socialist/free market economies of Europe.

      You mean, like they could have had since 1975? How many souls spent their entire lives under oppression because someone thought that if we showed peace and love that the world would turn into a John Lennon song.

      Again, you cannot force democracy on people who don't want it. North Vietnam would not be as free as it is today had we not withdrawn from the war.

      As of right now, their economy is doing quite a bit better than ours.

      Really? While our economy sucks, it only sucks when compared to itself. Our economy grew more in the past year than the entire economy of Vietnam. The US GDP per capita is $46,381. Vietnam's is $2,942. Um, I think our economy is a bit better than Vietnam's. So, given your track record of "non-facts", I guess we can throw out your last point of "Funny how it was capitalism that imploded recently, not socialism."

      GDP per capita is not adjusted for the market value of goods. I bet they have iPhone clones that cost 1/10th of what ours cost.

    13. Re:Go Stephen! by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Had the bombing campaign been allowed to continue and not been limited (again, due to liberal protests), we bet your ass we could have won that war.

      Oh yes. Unfortunately, the famous liberal dove Robert McNamara doesn't agree with you if you read between the lines of "Fog of War".

      One of the main reasons the bombing was less effective that you make out was the C Chi tunnels which IIRC were far more extensive than bomber-command wished to believe.

      From Operation Thunder

      B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

      So, how many million tons did we fall short of achieving an easy victory? Another 700 tons per man, woman and child?

      Thanks for playing.

    14. Re:Go Stephen! by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What gets me is the respect coming from you, even though you are fully aware that " The human rights situation is still abysmal...". A country with an "abysmal" human rights record is what we were there fighting to prevent.

      Yeah and we went into Iraq to save the people from tyranny. If what you say is true, then you got a lot of splaining to do about South Korea where WE WON and they had similar human rights problems until well into the 80s too.

      South Korea? BTW, how are they doing compared to the North?

      Thought so.

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    15. Re:Go Stephen! by Maniacal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, Attila made a statement based on fact that you blasted him/her for and you were wrong. Wish I could say I was surprised at how you handle that. Maybe if you spent more time reading opposing ideas and viewpoints and less time trying to filter out the boogeyman you would have been able to google it and avoid looking like an ass.

      This one's cool, Beck rally vs. inaguration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7y8gEcoqas
      A little longer with a funny title "Post-Barackalyptic Wasteland" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrJE7J3fWU
      This one's all dramatic looking http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2009/09/13/they-say-a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words-photo-after-obama-inauguration-ceremony-versus-photo-after-9-12-tea-party-rally/
      Here's one from a liberal rag for you. Scroll down to "Tell your grandchildren: 'I was there'. Two people sitting on a pile of trash looking super happy about it http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/cold_weather/page/2/

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  3. What the hell? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this on Slashdot?

    I couldn't care less about the Tea Party or Colbert. It isn't real news. It certainly isn't for nerds.

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    1. Re:What the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a reason it's tagged with "Idle"

    2. Re:What the hell? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The person who posted this image is incapable of reading directions. Feel free to publically ridicule him or her."

      Consider yourself ridiculed.

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    3. Re:What the hell? by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's in the Politics section. As incredibly depressing as it may be, Glenn Beck crying on camera and Colbert making fun of him represents the height of political discourse these days, so it fits.

      We don't debate things anymore, we have competing demagogues shouting past each other, lying, and using naked appeals to emotion to push their agendas. Beck is the most visible at the moment, but he's certainly not the first nor the last. Hell, they don't even really debate things in the halls of Congress anymore, they just shout their talking points at each other to rile up the extremists on either end of the political spectrum because they're apparently the only ones who still vote.

      Meanwhile, comedians like Colbert try to point out the absurdity of it all, and everyone has a good laugh, and no one changes their behavior. A rally at the Lincoln memorial would accomplish nothing. Beck's followers would either ignore it or use it as fuel to steer even further toward the extreme and follow Beck even closer. Beck's detractors would have a good laugh about it, but they're already convinced Beck is a nutbar so it's preaching to the choir for them.

      On the other hand, if it was well-executed it would probably give Colbert a ratings boost, so at least he and the guys over at Comedy Central would get something out of it.

    4. Re:What the hell? by atchijov · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you really want your kids to learn creationism in school, have 99% of the budget spend on military and hunting homeless and immigrants become a recreational activity? This is what will happen if everyone (including nerds) will keep saying - "That none of my business".

    5. Re:What the hell? by mea37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Tea Party isn't news?

      The group whose dominating and inept control of the conservative voice in 2009 was a key factor in passing the sweeping healthcare reform bill isn't news?

      No, they're news. It's just that no matter which side of the aisle you're on, they're bad news.

    6. Re:What the hell? by feepness · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you really want your kids to learn creationism in school, have 99% of the budget spend on military and hunting homeless and immigrants become a recreational activity? This is what will happen if everyone (including nerds) will keep saying - "That none of my business".

      Don't forget the oceans will rise to swallow the coasts and corporations will take all our rights.

      All because of that party of FEAR!

    7. Re:What the hell? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would serve to accomplish one thing - to show that the so-called "silent majority" the conservatives love to quote so much isn't necessarily as big they paint it out to be. Their opponents are numerous, and not so silent.

    8. Re:What the hell? by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, you're overreacting. We will still be free to use subtlety and nuance. Teabaggers are unable to detect or comprehend subtlety and nuance.

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    9. Re:What the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they just shout their talking points at each other to rile up the extremists on either end of the political spectrum because they're apparently the only ones who still vote.

      Actually, the republicans scream/vote to appease the extreme end of the spectrum. The democrats vote to appease the republicans. If the democrats actually listened to the people who elected them the US would be out of the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan and we'd have a single payer health care system.

    10. Re:What the hell? by feepness · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am concerned about pollution. I'm not concerned about the oceans rising up and swallowing the coast.

      It is precisely because I care about the environment that I am concerned about people who conflate caring for the environment with fearmongering.

    11. Re:What the hell? by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "hunting homeless and immigrants become a recreational activity?"

      HELL YES. Bring this on, immediately.

      Seriously, why do people insist on trying to equate illegals with immigrants? The first act of an illegal is disrespect our national and its law, their very method of entry into the nation demonstrates they are unfit to enter our society. The first act of an immigrant is to show respect for our nation and culture and to undergo significant (but not unreasonable) efforts to become a part of it.

      There is a reason why legal immigrants integrate into america and make it stronger with parts of their former culture while illegal immigrants form pockets of what they consider to still be their culture.

    12. Re:What the hell? by mattack2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sheldon Cooper is the nerdiest nerd on TV in the US.

    13. Re:What the hell? by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but when more than half the people in the all the countries south of Rio Grande/Bravo live with less than one dollar a day the offer of a chance to work in USA even for 10 dollars a day is extremely compelling, with papers or not. Immigration is an economic problem more than anything else. A USA without migrants is a USA without jobs to offer or a too poor USA that nobody wants to go there. Illegal immigrants should pay a fine high enough to be a good punishment but low enough to be paid by honest means. Also, I think that the funds from those fines could be used to pay a reimbursement to legal migrants. The point must be to keep honest people honest.

      You could say that we* should fix our problems ourselves and you are right, but, the main problem with Latin-American countries is that almost all have rulers more worried with keeping the people in Washington happy than in improving the supposedly "independent" nations they rule. And we can't get rid of those bastards because the US will send money, weapons and soldiers to keep their puppets in place, even if our countries get destroyed in the process because lives of brown skinned people are less worth than the life of an NYC street dog. Our resources on the other hand...

      For example, the bosses of the murderous Mexican gang of "Los Zetas" were originally Mexican special forces trained in the (in)famous School of Americas in the USA, the American taxpayer should be proud because those guys put to use every fucking disgusting thing they learned there on civilians, police and of course, illegal immigrants. But, since knowledge is like fire, now all the gangs use those methods too.

      *I'm Mexican

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    14. Re:What the hell? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You just don't get it. Illegal immigrants are not in a position to carefully weigh the moral and ethical issues surrounding their illegal entry into the U.S. They are typically not sitting in a middle class suburban home in Latin America (or wherever) stroking their chin pondering the depths of the dilemma. More commonly, they are shit-poor with a huge, imminent economic disaster bearing down on them and on their loved ones. It is sheer desperation that brings them to come over and risk life and limb, rape and robbery, with absolutely no certainty of a positive outcome, knowing that they will get a very poorly paid job at which they will have to work practically like slaves under the constant menace of violent deportation.

      The insistence on the technical illegality of their entry and presence in our country, and the spewing of pious rants about it are the shallow musings of simpletons. What would inspire you to walk across the Sonoran Desert for 48 hours guided by heavily armed murderous mobsters? You wouldn't do it. You don't have even a remote understanding of what leads others to do it. You are a simple-minded tea bagger talking out his ass, nothing more.

  4. Ignore the Troll by al3k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems like 3/4th of the publicity Glenn Beck gets is from people calling him a raging idiot. Maybe if we just stop paying attention to him, and Jon Stewart stops making fun of him every single show, he might just go away when he realizes most people don't care about the crap he spews out of that hole he calls a mouth.

    1. Re:Ignore the Troll by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

      You stopped watching during the Bush years, didn't you? Comedians tend to make fun of those in power. Comedy Central ridicules Obama and the Democrats plenty, now that they are the ones in power.

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    2. Re:Ignore the Troll by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both sides still get it pretty regularly.

      But let's be honest, there isn't a liberal Glenn Beck. There just isn't anyone even in that league in terms of humor value. You have to go where the jokes are, and a guy who writes crazy conspiracy crap on a chalkboard while crying is a gold mine.

      Even if you somehow secretly cloned, say, President Obama and raised him in a secret lab to be the worst parts of everything his detractors claim him to be, then somehow swapped him for the real president, the result would still not be the comedy fodder of a Glenn Beck.

    3. Re:Ignore the Troll by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is it their fault all the good fun is to be had pointing out how hypocritical and untalented the Right Wing is? If you want to watch jokes (try to be) made at the expense of the Establishment/Left, just watch Saturday Night Live (you may or may not laugh)...

    4. Re:Ignore the Troll by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Funny

      You obviously have never seen any of Keith Olberman's political rants.

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    5. Re:Ignore the Troll by ticklemeozmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? Count the number of times John Stewart makes direct fun of a Republican, then rewatch an episode and count the number of times he makes fun of a Democrat. Each episode is HEAVILY weighted to make fun of conservatives. (Colbert is a little more middle but still ridicules Republicans more.) Comedy Central is just as left-leaning as CNN and MSNBC.

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    6. Re:Ignore the Troll by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's obvious you haven't watched either recently.

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    7. Re:Ignore the Troll by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Daily Show and the Colbert report make fun of the brainless.

      Fortunately for the Democratic party, they are spineless.

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    8. Re:Ignore the Troll by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously have never seen any of Keith Olberman's political rants.

      I have. Partisan, absolutely. Demagogue-y, sure. As ridiculous as Beck? Not even close on his best day.

    9. Re:Ignore the Troll by sorak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly...They made fun of Clinton because he got a blow job. They make fun of Bush because he acts folksie and dumb. They make fun of Dick Cheney because he has a Darth Vader Complex. As for Obama, what are they going to do? They can't do racist humor. He isn't dumb or crazy, and he only seems evil to rightwing conspiracy theorists. So what jokes do you make?

    10. Re:Ignore the Troll by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? Count the number of times John Stewart makes direct fun of a Republican, then rewatch an episode and count the number of times he makes fun of a Democrat. Each episode is HEAVILY weighted to make fun of conservatives.

      First, sure, but making fun of one more than the other != only making fun of one, which is what the post you replied to was rebutting.

      Second, to be fair, if you removed mocking Fox News from the count, I think it'd be pretty even up. As a comedian, what can you even do about that? Half the day MSNBC is airing what amount to Dateline NBC reruns or the equivalent and there just isn't shit funny to say about that. Olbermann at his most blustering and ridiculous can't hold a candle to the sheer ludicrousness of Glenn Beck drawing something completely nonsensical on a chalkboard and weeping about it.


      (Colbert is a little more middle but still ridicules Republicans more.) Comedy Central is just as left-leaning as CNN and MSNBC.

      If you think the modern incarnation of CNN is left-leaning, you're seeing what you want to see and not what's actually there. If anything, they attempt to be "balanced" to a fault, giving voice to both sides of an issue even when one of those sides (be it conservative or liberal) is clearly insane. If I was a politician and came out tomorrow saying I thought we shouldn't set kindergardens on fire, CNN would find some nutball who thought we should to provide a counterpoint.

    11. Re:Ignore the Troll by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Neither has anyone else, because liberals don't care about that crap, which is why every attempt to make a liberal talk network has failed.

      That's right, we prefer to think for ourselves rather than being spoon fed regurgitated talking points by moronic pundits.

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    12. Re:Ignore the Troll by rallen911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Check the ratings of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert... nearly 2 million per day (1.8 million or so) Glenn Beck is over 3 million per day. I don't think he or his viewers give a rat's ass about either of these guys.

      All of the negative comments about Beck don't hold water. It's obvious that none of the people spewing have watched his show. He points out freely available information about things he disagrees with ( a lot of it coming from videos of the people in question ). There is never an attempt to correct the information if he is wrong. He only gets attacked for asking the question.

      He is a bit nutty, and he'll admit that himself. He's there to entertain, and he'll admit that too. He tells his viewers, "Don't take my word for it. Investigate it for yourself and make up your mind." I don't hear Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, or Keith Olberman saying anything like that. They assume that we're all idiots and they need to tell us what to think.

      Watch Beck's show for a week. Do some of your own research to see if he's telling the truth. Make up your own mind. You may be surprised.

  5. Idle? by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldn't this be in idle?

  6. Page hits, my man, page hits by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Controversy leads to page hits. Page hits lead to advertisers. Advertisers lead to income. Income leads to getting laid.

    Mystery solved.

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    1. Re:Page hits, my man, page hits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Income leads to getting laid.

      So again, why is this on Slashdot?

    2. Re:Page hits, my man, page hits by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Should the dark side be somewhere in the chain of reasoning?

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    3. Re:Page hits, my man, page hits by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the fellow below had it right when he completed the cycle with "Getting laid leads to marriage, and marriage leads to SUFFERING!"

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  7. It's the answer!!!! by hort_wort · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you put in the proposed date into a binary translator, 10/10/10, you get an output of 42!!! The answer to everything is this rally!!!

    This is better than geese flying over.

    1. Re:It's the answer!!!! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you put in the proposed date into a binary translator, 10/10/10, you get an output of 42!!!

      If you need to use a binary translator to determine that, then you're on the wrong website.

      Please hand in your geek card on your way out.

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  8. Journalism by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every so often I think it's a sad state of affairs for journalism when satirists like John Stewart and Stephen Colbert on a comedy channel are considered more reliable, trustworthy, and objective in their reporting than "serious" (for lack of a better term) journalists like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly on what's supposed to be a news channel.

    1. Re:Journalism by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "serious" (for lack of a better term) journalists

      The better term is "opinion show hosts".

    2. Re:Journalism by longacre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because they're on a channel with "news" in the name does not make them journalists. Beck and O'Reilly are entertainers, just like Nancy Grace, Larry King, Keith Olbermann, Rick Sanchez, etc.

    3. Re:Journalism by NiteShaed · · Score: 4, Informative

      than "serious" (for lack of a better term) journalists like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly

      There's your mistake. Beck and O'Reilly aren't journalists at all, serious or otherwise. Their shows are opinion pieces, start to finish. They're "serious journalists" in the same way that professional wrestlers are "serious athletes".

      on what's supposed to be a news channel

      FOX should just give up the word news and start calling themselves a "political commentary" channel. That's what they really seem to want to focus on, and what they want to be. Why not just go with that? Note to FOX fans who take this as insulting, this isn't necessarily intended to be a negative thing. If anything, it would probably eliminate a lot of the criticism aimed at FOX News. There's nothing wrong with being a political commentary channel, and you don't need to pretend to hold to some kind of "Fair and Balanced" standard.

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    4. Re:Journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every so often I think it's a sad state of affairs for journalism when satirists like John Stewart and Stephen Colbert on a comedy channel are considered more reliable, trustworthy, and objective in their reporting than "serious" (for lack of a better term) journalists like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly on what's supposed to be a news channel.

      Beck and O'Reilly aren't journalists, you goon. They're commentators. There's a difference. People don't seem to get it. Fox News has real news with real journalists, but they also are an outlet for opinion shows with political commentary. It's sad that you can't tell the difference.

    5. Re:Journalism by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know that that's entirely fair. These things are on a continuum.

      You look at an O'Reilly or an Olbermann (to pick two guys with very different politics), and if you're not in line with them politically, you'll probably disagree a lot with their interpretation of an event or its implications, but in some sense their starting point feels based in reality even if where they end up isn't.

      I don't get that same sense out of, say, Beck.

    6. Re:Journalism by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      journalists like Glenn Beck

      I think Glenn Beck might disagree with that statement.

      GLENN: Now remember, I'm not a journalist. They always make fun of me: Glenn Beck, he's a pseudojournalist. No, I'm not a journalist. I never claimed to be a journalist. I am an opinion person.

      http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/24124/

    7. Re:Journalism by killmenow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but it's a pity Fox News' real news coverage consists mostly of: "Today, Glenn Beck questioned the legitimacy of President Obama's claims of being a Christian." and other "news" that you are 100% correct in calling factual reporting even though its primary purpose is to parrot the same political agenda and further push the chosen narrative.

      Sadly, it's the same thing on other networks. ESPN: Mike & Mike show in the AM blathers about something. Later the same day, ESPN news coverage is largely about the crap said earlier in the day on Mike & Mike.

      When you have a 24/7 news channel, sometimes you have to manufacture news.

  9. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are usually nerdy college students or people who live in their parent's basement rent free. In other words dependents who are dependant upon staying out from the daylight. You really think they are going to get a bunch of them pryed away from their gamestations and computers long enough to go outside to a rally in the hot burning sun?

    You would have better luck convincing Vampires to eat a cloves of garlic while standing in an open air church at high noon.

    You shouldn't assume that everyone who watches the same shows you do is like you.

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  10. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by rotide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just curious, but what data are you basing that extremely general claim off of? Or is your post meant to troll all those who like Colbert/Stewart for whatever reason you have?

  11. It's certainly easier... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    where a young woman wondered if the only way to point out the absurdity of the Tea Party's rally would be if Colbert mirrored it with his own Colbert Nation.'"

    It's certainly easier than, you know, actually acknowledging and dealing with their ideas...

    1. Re:It's certainly easier... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean like how pretty much all of what they complained about was happening also under Dubya's reign in office and yet they only started complaining about these things once Obama got into office and continued the stupid policies of the previous administration?

    2. Re:It's certainly easier... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's certainly easier than, you know, actually acknowledging and dealing with their ideas...

      What ideas? You mean ideas like somehow thinking that Patrick Henry was a supporter of the US Constitution http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/09/patrick_henry_and_the_tea_part_1.php. Or maybe you mean Glenn Beck's pseudoscientific ideas about how the Smithsonian is involved in a massive conspiracy to cover up 19th century archaelogical facts?http://anthroslug.blogspot.com/2010/08/glenn-becks-pseudo-archaeology-part-1.html. Or maybe you mean the idea that Obama is going to put Republicans into concentration camps http://boingboing.net/2009/03/17/foxs-glenn-beck-says.html? You know, what? I'm sick of the notion that there is anything resembling worthwhile ideas coming from this man. At a certain point, it is a waste of time to actually respond to this paranoid nonsense in any other way than ridicule. And to the people who believe him or listen to him? Fuck 'em. Fuck every one of them for being too lazy or too stupid or too tribalistic to exercise their brains at all.

      Now, if you just we're talking about the saner end of the Tea Partiers then there might be some argument that they have actual ideas, mainly resembling the form "I like government policies that make life better for me but not for other people." Do I need to address what's wrong with that also or are we done?

    3. Re:It's certainly easier... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. She waves her hand and says something like "Oh, they wouldn't know real debate so we shouldn't bother". The ironing cracks me up. One group of dim, smug assholes mocking another group of people for being dim, righteous assholes.

    4. Re:It's certainly easier... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's my issue with the teabaggers. Where were they when Dubya was spending us into the poorhouse? Granted, he was Scrooge McDuck compared to Obama.

      I think they're largely religious nut Republicans fed up with how "RINO" (they love that term) filled their party has become. Sure, there is a subset of them who are more of a libertarian bent and have logical, rational points of view but I don't think they're a majority.

      I hate both spectrums. The left sickens me with their dreary smugness and complete lack of grasp of obvious reality (we can't keep spending like this), while the right bores me with their flag-wrapped religious jingoism, World Police bullshit. I fucking hate them both.

    5. Re:It's certainly easier... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Both sides are assholes which is why neither extreme should be the one holding power.

    6. Re:It's certainly easier... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Both sides are assholes which is why neither extreme should be the one holding power.

      Sure... and then you get Obama, who's about as middle of the road as they come, hence why no one is happy. The Democrats wish he was more liberal, the Republicans wish he was more conservative, and everyone else wishes he was at least interesting enough to pay attention to.

    7. Re:It's certainly easier... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The first time I heard anything about the tea-party was right after TARP. Doubled budget deficits under Obama didn't help (although really it isn't entirely Obama's fault; just as the Bush deficits weren't entirely Bush's fault, or the Clinton surplus entirely Clinton's fault. It is mainly a matter of demographics if you actually did into the numbers. The Reagan deficits on the other hand actually were Reagan's fault, although they were much smaller).

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    8. Re:It's certainly easier... by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So, let's quote from your link on Wikipedia, where it mentions a protest on the date:

      February 27, 2009 to protest the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) bailout bill signed by President George W. Bush in October 2008

      Now, does it really seem so unreasonable that people were talking about this before the date of the actual protest? Dig around a little, and you'll see people were very upset about the bank bailout, which is the reason the first one failed. A lot of people were opposed to it.

      One other thing, while Obama has increased the debt substantially, no Republican has reduced the debt since 1970

      Um, are you trying to prove that Democrats are better than Republicans or something?

      You aren't thinking clearly. Blaming an entire deficit on one president is silly. Using your approach, you might as well say, "no Democrat controlled congress has reduced the deficit since the Carter era." That would be silly also.

      Look at the numbers more closely, and you will see that in strict terms, no president has managed to reduce the debt. Ever since Roosevelt, the debt has been increasing. Those who've managed to reduce it did so only relative to GDP, and they managed that because GDP of the country was increasing faster than the debt, which is what happened during the 90s, or because inflation really helps debtors when they're on a fixed interest rate (what happened during the 70s).

      Look deeper, and you'll see that the main difficulty for Obama was also the main difficulty for Bush: increasing entitlement spending as the baby-boomers age. This isn't something a president has a lot of control over (you can't demand that everyone stay young).

      It also isn't something tea-partiers have dealt with much. I will be interested in seeing how they respond if they ever become aware of this difficulty, which they will as they begin to gain power.

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    9. Re:It's certainly easier... by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, I have to comment on your link to Ian Welsh. Ian doesn't show that Obama is "conservative". He does show that Ian Welsh is an idiot to an amazing degree. At one point, he fantasizes about nationalizing the entire banking system. Aside from a remarkably callous disregard for the US and its people who would lose most of their wealth in the process, he completely, and I do mean completely, ignores the fact that Obama won't be the president for the rest of eternity. If we actually did this, that would mean someone else, maybe someone with funny ears, would have the tools to epically fuck up on a scale unrivaled in US history and they would proceed to do so. That's how bad the idea is.

    10. Re:It's certainly easier... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Plenty of people simply wish he were doing something in some way positive, especially with the economy. Since he (and his team) clearly have no idea how the economy actually works, people are understandably eager for a sane alternative.

      Funny you should pick that example, the economy is *precisely* a case where Obama is clearly running straight down the political middle. The left has been calling for stimulus. The right has been calling for deficit reduction and tax cuts. And what do you get? A watered down version of both.

      Obama isn't doing the 'right' things for the economy because he's not doing what *either* side wants.

      Oh, and for the record, go read Krugman's latest article on the economy. The anti-Keyensians have completely failed to predict what happened post-stimulus. They predicted rising interest rates and ballooning inflation, and the precise opposite has happened. Meanwhile, as the stimulus wound down, the economy wound down with it. But, alas, Obama will compromise with the deficit hawks and the anti-stimulus folks, and once again won't do enough to jumpstart the US economy, and the result will be prolonged agony. All because the man is too busy trying to please everyone, thus succeeding in pleasing no one, and getting nothing done in the process.

  12. The Date by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The date they want to hold the rally is 10 October of '10. I.E., 10/10/10, however they have the poster written with the date as 101010, which is binary for 42, which, as we all know, is the answer to life, the universe and everything. Its the ultimate truthy thing. It's the ultimate nerd thing. Only thing its missing is a sign saying "Repent! The Singularity is Nye!" with the Science guy himself staring everyone down like Uncle Sam.

    1. Re:The Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      42 isn't the answer to life, etc.; It's the answer to the ultimate question about life, the universe, and everything. Small but critical difference.

  13. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Funny

    Speaking from personal experience?

  14. Well, because it's a "young woman" ... by guanxi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wasn't interested in this at all, until I read that it was a young woman who made the post to Reddit. Now I'm definitely interested. Does anyone know what she looks like? I mean, being a woman implies she's old enough, and young is certainly promising, but you never know. Before I get involved in something like this, I definitely want to know what she looks like. I've been burned on more than one blind date and Internet romance. Also, of course, is she married? Is she dating anyone? How seriously? Is he socially conscious? Because I am, and that's usually my hook, because I'm not really like a jock or anything, but some girls are into that. Also, we both like Colbert, so that's something in common too. Anyway, if anyone gets her email address or some pics, please send them to me, because this seems like a really cool idea from a young woman.

  15. Smug Internet people. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, you mean some smug Internet denizen came up with a way to launch a "hilarious" yet substance-free attack on a group she and all her cool friends just "know" is silly? What stunning news! Strawman used by baselessly smug group of left wingers against group of right wingers!

    What next, are we going to have a story about a group of right wingers painting left wingers as Anti-American and playing the Outrage Card to rouse the rabble?

    A pox on both their houses.

    Doesn't it get boring after a while, reveling in how clever you and your Internet buddies who have developed some lame shared-language of goofball Internet memes are?

    Oh, wait...

  16. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, no, there are all kinds of Glenn Beck fans. For instance, there is the crazy wing: libertarian crazies, religious crazies, racist crazies. Then there is the retard wing, home-schooled retards, closeted retards, old senile retards. We also have the diabolically evil faction, Wall Street evil, coal mining evil, big oil evil, the military industrial evil complex.

    Glen Beck's popularity spans all sorts of crazy, retarded and evil.

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  17. They already had a counter-protest by Quila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The race profiteer Al Sharpton led a small group to protest the "hijacking" of MLK's memory.

  18. Re:Think not what your country can do for you.... by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 3, Funny

    GET RID OF GLENN BECK

    We choose to do it not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

  19. Fools All by Dr.+Grabow · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Reality is a very complex problem.

    To think that ANY political ideology, no matter where it sits on the spectrum of political thought, provides an optimum framework for solving the world's or nation's problems is the sign of a very small mind.

  20. Re:Truthiness by natehoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    In order to understand the difference between the term "truth" and Colbert's made-up word "truthiness", you'd have to, you know, actually watch the show at least once.

    Colbert is a comedian who openly uses lies and manipulative humor to get laughs among his followers. He mocks everything in sight, with a double helping reserved for himself. He's in the business of entertainment, not news. He's a complete attention whore because that's what pays the bills.

    I don't know the term for the opposite of "comedian", "tragedean", maybe? Whatever the term would be, that's Beck. He openly uses lies and manipulative tragedy to get outrage among his followers. He derides everything in sight, with a double helping reserved for anyone who he thinks his followers might agree with him on. He's in the business of entertainment, not news. He's a complete attention whore because that's what pays the bills.

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  21. Re:Think not what your country can do for you.... by Duradin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Getting rid of Beck would be like getting rid of Hitler, you risk having someone competent replace him after giving the followers a martyr and renewed (frothing mad) fervor.

  22. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by ideonexus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good point. Colbert fans don't have a billionaire Obama-hating family to bus them out to the event like Glenn Beck does.

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  23. Re:Think not what your country can do for you.... by Jeng · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wasn't that the argument for keeping Jack Thompson around?

    He's been disbarred and shamed, no one has taken his place yet.

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  24. *Sigh* More liberal BS by MrHyd3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is this liberal garbage on SlashDot? I didn't see anything on Beck on here and pray it wasn't because it should be here either. Please ppl, stop the ignorance.

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    1. Re:*Sigh* More liberal BS by Iburnaga · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My troll-dar is pinging.

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    2. Re: *Sigh* More liberal BS by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is this liberal garbage on SlashDot?

      Probably because of reality's well-known liberal bias.

      (Hey, we're only 87 subscribers apart!)

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  25. A more accurate count by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    The reason it was so clean afterward is there were only 50,000 people there.

    There were a lot more than that.

    Let's compare crowd estimates from the Colbert rally using similar pictures, shall we?

    And instead of simply posting a derogatory reply for appearing to support the rally, you could instead argue against the calculation to come by the range of estimates (low end was 90k).

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    1. Re:A more accurate count by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      you could instead argue against the calculation to come by the range of estimates (low end was 90k)

      The low end was 78k, from the guy in Arizona who is a "crowd estimation expert". His estimate was 87k +/- 9k, so from 78k-96k.

      Now, I'm more willing to believe a guy who has a system and method for accurately estimating crowd sizes than I am a website who is analyzing several low-resolution oblique photos and trying to apply a single formula to the entire crowd. The photos the researcher from Arizona used were taken by a company flying balloons from high overhead to lower down, for the specific purpose of taking pictures for estimating the size of the crowds.

      Their site is here: http://airphotoslive.com/.

      Here is an article describing the guy's methodology with examples:

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015214-503544.html

      I'm much more willing to trust that guy to come up with a reliable estimate versus someone trying to guess at the average croud density and offering a range between 86k and 200k.

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  26. Whoever keeps modding Wyatt Earp Flamebait, by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stop it. It isn't flamebait. I may be a liberal and Wyatt may be conservative, but even I can tell he's not here to incite flames.

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    1. Re:Whoever keeps modding Wyatt Earp Flamebait, by rwa2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer to refer to it as "passing the torch to the next generation"

      *sits back and relaxes*

      So, kids, run forth... and get off my lawn! (I just recently had it sprayed with volatile highly-combustible compounds)

    2. Re:Whoever keeps modding Wyatt Earp Flamebait, by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Luxury. In my day, we had to torch kids with whale oil.

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  27. Re:Think not what your country can do for you.... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Getting rid of Beck would be like getting rid of Hitler

    You destroy everything he's built up until he commits suicide in his basement?

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  28. The Genius of the People ... by niteshifter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... is never absurd.
    The "genius" of the "elites" usually is.

    For those US citizens who don't get the genius reference: It's our Constitution. See Federalist Papers, for starters.

  29. Re:Great idea. by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The best counter-protest signs I'd seen were from the attendees of Comic-Con this year when the Westboro Baptist Church (The "God Hates Fags" guys) protested the event:

    http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/

  30. Sorry, you don't really believe that do you? by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your comment is in line with "elect Republicans and they will take your Social Security away" or "Elect Democrats and they will raise taxes"

    Even if somehow one party managed to control two thirds of both houses and the white house the courts would still be there as well as the court of public opinion. Even while Democrats had a majority in both houses they rarely got anything done. When they did they resorted to parliamentarian tricks and deception. Hell we saw bill after bill passed without Congressmen knowing what was in it and somehow this is better than what might come later?

    If anything government is dysfunctional and they have made it so that the rules protect them in their rule. The tea party that many associate negative connotations with is that part which was absconded with by people looking to make money and increase their power base. As was seen in Alaska, the real tea party does not obey the Republican party and does not cede to the Democrats either. It is still up in the open what they may become but if all we have are people spouting FUD what we will have? Simple, the same crap we have now where both parties play people off each other so that THEY can stay in power. So while they cheer your inane comments, put there by endless talking heads on each side, nothing changes and that is the best solution they could hope for.

     

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  31. What..... by Crosswind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What exactly has Beck said that is incorrect or false lately? Examples please..... just curious.

    1. Re:What..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Politifact is your pal. Glenn "Pants on Fire" Beck's, not so much.

    2. Re: What..... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Informative

      What exactly has Beck said that is incorrect or false lately? Examples please..... just curious.

      At the rally he said the break in building the Washington Monument was "during the Civil War".

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  33. Re:What if Beck is a Colbert? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well of course. Beck, Limbaugh, and Coulter, it's pure performance art. The only difference between them and Colbert is that Colbert plays the whole thing for laughs, and makes few secrets that it's satire. The real eye opener here is just how fucking stupid the Teabaggers are that they don't realize that they're falling for a joke. Now I still Beck is an immoral pile of crap, not because of what he says, but because he doesn't wink at the audience like Colbert does.

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  34. Re:The Lone Conservative... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Younger people are typically left-wing. As you get older, and if you're responsible, you'll begin swinging right... unless you're a career politician...

    Usually what happens is people form opinions and rarely ever change them. Younger people for more liberal ideas and the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" (such as they are) changes over time so people so by the time a person who was liberal in their youth dies, the same opinions they've always held are now labelled as "conservative".

    Or in short, old people mostly become set in their ways and don't like change, as they perceive it. Most people in general, have incorrect beliefs about what actually happened in the past and don't bother to research the truth. For example, the issue of taxation. Never in our history has taxation been as lacking in progressiveness (usually considered a liberal trait) as it is now. When "liberal" politicians try to move taxation to a more progressive level, like it was under Reagan or even Nixon, our society labels that as "liberal" and the opposite of conservative, even though it's actually moving things to be more like they used to be an always have been. Of course that's because the labels "liberal" and conservative" aren't about values, but about dividing society into two competing groups because it's the easiest way to get votes.

  35. Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bear.

    Costume.

  36. Re: The Lone Conservative... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having been visiting /. for over 15 years I'm shocked at the amount of, what appears to be, left wingers here. It's never really come up but am I in the conservative minority on Slashdot?

    It's hard to say. A lot of people used to vehemently defend the Iraq war, but as the public soured on it they became a distinct minority. We still get a fairly large number of anti-Islam anti-Muslim posters... I was shocked by the views I saw posted here (and modded up) on a story a week or two ago.

    But maybe all that doesn't really reflect conservative/liberal politics.

    Traditionally we've had a very large number of "Latter Day Libertarians", by which I mean self-described Libertarians who apparently don't care about anything but gun ownership, taxes, and laws that might restrict their ability to become filthy rich.

    Also... The most vocal group isn't necessarily the biggest group. We should have a /. poll on political orientation.

    Younger people are typically left-wing. As you get older, and if you're responsible, you'll begin swinging right... unless you're a career politician...

    This is conventional wisdom, but I'm not sure it's true. I have certainly gone the opposite direction.

    Also, I suspect liberals and conservatives disagree intensely what "responsible" means.

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  37. Re:Many missed the point by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, they didn't actually /say/ much at the rally; the content seemed to be "mouth nice words, and also we need to turn to the Christian god", i.e. us heathens aren't Real Americans.

    Lastly, with the hyperpartisanship of the previously mentioned, the only ones who'd physically show up were teabaggers anyway.

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  38. Re:Most of the pople who Watch Colbert..... by anegg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So far I and my employer have paid just over $57,000 in to Medicare, and I estimate about another $60,000 will be paid in on my behalf before I reach retirement age. That is $117,000 taken from me by the government as payment in advance for providing me with Medicare services when I reach retirement age.

    Ignoring the time value of the money that was paid in by me and on my behalf over my entire working lifetime (i.e., interest it should have earned), if that money was paid out on my behalf every month starting when I reach retirement age, it would fund a health insurance plan at $300/month for 32 years.

    So, in some sense, it would be "my Medicare" that was being manipulated, wouldn't it?