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DRM-Free Games Site GOG.com Gone

An anonymous reader writes "Just a day after adding a new game and a handful of promotions, GOG.com, a seller of classic games in a DRM-free format, has closed shop, leaving only a sparse placeholder page and a mention on Twitter that 'sometimes it's really hard being DRM-free... hard to keep things the way they are and keep management and publishers happy.' The site mentions that games purchased in the past will become accessible for downloading within the week, but there is no word on how long this will continue to be possible." The announcement on the site's front page says, in part, "This doesn't mean the idea behind GOG.com is gone forever. We're closing down the service and putting this era behind us as new challenges await."

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  1. More to the story.. by Renraku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They closed down right in the middle of a sale. A lot of people are unable to get what they purchased.

    I don't think this is the end of it.

    Perhaps they got hit with a massive lawsuit or someone is considering buying them out?

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    1. Re:More to the story.. by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly. They announce a sale on the 16th and on the 17th close down stating "they've thought long and hard about it".

      Curious to see what happens next. Had quite a few more purchases planned with them, but in light of the circumstances...

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    2. Re:More to the story.. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or maybe Gog.com just hired a shitty accountant and he got behind on payroll. No sense jumping to conclusions before we know all the facts-- truth is, a ton of businesses fail for a ton of different reasons.

    3. Re:More to the story.. by FictionPimp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Plus, they must suck at advertising. This is the first I heard of them.

    4. Re:More to the story.. by schnell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Plus, they must suck at advertising. This is the first I heard of them.

      But wait ... Slashbot CorrectThink tells us that 1.) advertising and marketing are bad! 2.) Musicians or writers or artists should just be successful by word of mouth and not need evil corporations to advertise, that's why their model is outdated! And 3.) game companies would just succeed if only they removed all DRM! But this was a DRM-free games company that did no advertising and marketed by word of mouth to geeks ... they should have been guaranteed to never go out of business!

      PARADOX! PARADOX! NOMAD WILL NOW SELF-DESTRUCT!!!!

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    5. Re:More to the story.. by xtracto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Howdy cow.. you do not enter slashdot a lot uh?

      GoodOldGames has been *the posterchild* of "good example" for gaming distribution each time a story of DRM-something apears in slashdot!

      Maybe what happened is just that they were not profitable... because you know... people copied the games instead of buying them .. hmmm how could they avoid that ;-)

      yeah yeah i know, mod down -1 sad reality and all that..

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    6. Re:More to the story.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      couldnt agree more. The slashdot crowd whine like children about DRM but when a DRM-free site appears, they ignroe it and all get their games from torrents anyway.
      Typical fucking hypocrites. No wonder we have DRM and no wonder it is here to stay.

  2. Sigh by cstec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Publishers don't get it. I purchased more games from GoG in a year than I have in the last 10 through any other channel. Specifically BECAUSE they were DRM-free. ;-/

    1. Re:Sigh by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He's not the only one buying those games.

      Big fan of GOG, I love the fact that I can run Masters of Magic, Moo 1 and 2, and redneck rampage now.

      That said, I dislike your post as it's obviously typed by a brat.

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    2. Re:Sigh by hitmark · · Score: 5, Informative

      Iirc, the GOG sold games where more then simply copies of old games. They provided binaries that would work on modern systems using the old data.

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    3. Re:Sigh by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People don't go into business just to "make their money back" any more than you work your job to make just enough to pay your rent and feed yourself.

    4. Re:Sigh by emkyooess · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This, here, is the exact reason why GOG was the greatest.

    5. Re:Sigh by wampus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Slashdot loved Loki, too. How are they doing again?

    6. Re:Sigh by jonwil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that the DRM solutions used by most publishers (such as SecuROM, StarForce, Safedisk etc) are produced by third parties, one assumes that producing a game with DRM is more expensive than producing the same game without DRM (both the costs to buy the DRM from a third party and the costs to integrate the DRM). Companies dont usually have teams of guys working on DRM integration (and in fact, companies like Sony probably go out of their way to make the DRM solution EASIER for publishers to integrate in the hope of getting the publishers to use their soltuion vs the other guys solution)

      I think publishers like DRM because:
      1.It lets them continue to push towards a world where all content requires DRM (no more small guys, only big guys who can get licenses for the DRM)
      2.DRM can (and does) make games harder to reverse engineer (which helps with stopping cheaters and in some cases modders) and can allow the games company to use the DMCA as a stick against people cracking their copy protection to get at game data files.
      3.Newer DRM solutions are increasingly being aimed at stopping not just piracy but unauthorized resale of ghames (no more second hand games market)

    7. Re:Sigh by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a seizure ... squinting eye, drooping mouth.

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    8. Re:Sigh by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh...I do. The vast majority of people live paycheck to paycheck and are just trying to break even.

      Which is why you have given up on paying for broadband (you're typing this at the library, right?), don't have a cell phone, don't drink alchohol or eat out, only have one pair of shoes, no TV, no camera, don't by games or music or go to movies, and work a second job evenings and weekends so that you can save up some money, right?

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    9. Re:Sigh by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because DOSBox sucks the big wet titty when it comes to setting it up yourself, with lots of hit or miss crap, and compatibility mode doesn't work on x86 Ring 0 DRM? let me compare DOSBox with GoG with a game I owned and re-bought from GoG when they first offered it...Redneck Rampage. with DOSBox it was 1.-deal with Build engine patch which did NOT like x64, 2.-try different settings trying to get sound stable, 3.-have it CTD more often than not, as well as random lockups.

      Now lets compare that to the GoG Redneck Rampage DOSBox experience. 1.-download game, all patches and expansions already preloaded. 2.-run install, which is "clicky clicky". 3.-play game perfectly on windows 7 x64 with no hassles.

      See the difference? I have bought a bunch of older games like RR and Fallout from GoG simply because they remove all the hassles and make it all just click n' run. I only hope GoG comes back so I can load up on the older games like Blood I hadn't picked up yet. But believe me the GoG experience was well worth it, even on newer games. I bought King's Bounty: The Legend but when I switched to x64 I never could seem to get it to run (my guess, shitty DRM) but the GoG version? Ran beautifully OOTB. If any GoG developers read this, thanks. Your site was the first and often only site I went to when I was bored and wanted a new game. you WILL be missed.

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    10. Re:Sigh by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uh...I do. The vast majority of people live paycheck to paycheck and are just trying to break even.

      That's the situation they're in, not their goal. The goal is to make enough to live a comfortable life with lots of things they want but don't need.

    11. Re:Sigh by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could just try Blizzard's online store which still has it for sale.

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    12. Re:Sigh by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really, what kind of point are you trying to make? That people such as myself in this kind of situation don't deserve Any type of happiness or fun until we hit rock bottom?

      I guess the point of my post is that you really do come off as an elitist asshole, and just because you might be better off than many others out there, does not at all make you a better person.

      The point I am making is that most people who say they live paycheck to paycheck are in that condition because they spend everything they get, as they get it. And freqguently do so on things that they don't need. And then they complain that they don't have any money. I've had this exact converstion with people who run their air conditioning hard all summer, and heat their home to sauna temperatures all winter. Or who can't be bothered to go get a gig mowing lawns on Saturday for a year to establish a slush fund for emergencies. Or people who complain about living paycheck to paycheck, but mysteriously still manage to smoke cigarettes, or buy a latte, or get overpriced mixed green salads from Whole Foods. If you really hate not having so much as one single extra dollar in your wallet at the end of each pay period, do some extra work, or make yourself more valuable and get different work ... and once you start making $50 more a week, put it in the bank instead of spending it.

      I work 60-70 hours a week in IT, and work Saturdays and Sundays in other areas. I haven't taken anything resembling a vacation in over 10 years. But I'm putting some money away for later, when it really matters. What mystifies me is that you equate "happiness" with spending money. Are you unable to find any pleasure in someone else's company, or while reading a great book, or going out for a walk in the real actual outdoors, or in building something with your hands out of found materials, or teaching some kid how to write a WHILE/WEND loop, or anything else? You sound more like someone who is lacking motivation and/or imagination, or who expects that the rest of us are supposed to somehow make your life better by inflating the value of what you do (at whose expense?).

      Don't give me that "elitist" crap. I work my ass off seven days a week, and give up all sorts of modest pleasures because of that. I'll suspend lumping you in with them, but you know exactly who I'm talking about: the "vast majority" (to use your words) of people who live paycheck to paycheck do so because of a lazy habit of instant gratification and total lack of discipline and drive. And even in paycheck-to-paycheck mode, they live like kings compared to people 50 years ago.

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    13. Re:Sigh by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These old games made their money back ages ago, everyone involved has other jobs. I don't feel like I'm depriving anyone when I grab a torrent of DOS classics.

      If the copyright holder has decided to release these games into the public domain, then fair enough. If not, I don't really care what your deluded self-justifications are.

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    14. Re:Sigh by turtledawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, good luck with your life... I try to have some fun on the way, because I could get hit by a truck tomorrow. While it's nice that my savings will go to my husband should I get hit by that truck, I also appreciate the memories we've created together while we're young and fit enough to do more than sit in our rockers and say to each other, Man, I wish I had worked more and spent less time with you while we were young!

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  3. Joystiq reckons it's a publicity stunt? by therealmorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's starting to look like the platform's shutdown is just a marketing stunt. Good Old Games spokesman Tom Ohle told us that "as the site says, this doesn't mean GOG is dead. We will have more to share in the next couple of days." A NeoGAF poster dug up a Polish business forum, in which CD Projekt co-founder Micha Kiciski purportedly mentions a conference dated for this Wednesday, adding, "we'll post information about this soon on GOG.com (please do not panic after reading the information contained there.)" We'll keep an eye out for more info.

    Joystiq

    1. Re:Joystiq reckons it's a publicity stunt? by rm999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This reddit thread contains more links that indicate GOG is not actually dead: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/dfzhe/rip_gogcom/c0zxgih

      Personally I think they are going to change their service in some way, perhaps add a devoted client (like Steam) and perhaps introduce DRM. If so, I will be angry at the lack of transparency; the whole thing smells like a publicity stunt. If this is the case, the game I bought from them last week will be the last.

  4. "Publisher" is the problem. by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in the age of internet and digital downloads, the middleman, publisher, is the problem. not needed anymore, yet they still introduce problems into the production to consumer sequence, right in the middle. actually, in some sectors, they totally control entire sequence.

    they need to be removed.

    1. Re:"Publisher" is the problem. by muridae · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mount and Blade did something like this. The earlier you bought the game in the development cycle, the less you paid. This works fine if you are a small team and have dedicated audience and coders, or the game is not the programmers main source of income.

      The problem is publicity and numbers. How many people are willing to pay early in a games development cycle, and is it enough people to fund the developers? Even if it is enough people, and you are certain they are willing to buy your game, you still need some capital to borrow to pay the developers or wait to hire developers for a short term as each monetary goal is met. And if you find a company that is willing to do this, they might want distribution rights to the game.

  5. From their Facebook page... by owlman17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Posted 3 hours ago:

    The official statement from GOG.com's management about the whole situation will be announced soon. We'll have more details about this tomorrow.

    Sigh. Sure hope this isn't just a gimmick. Like many here, I still have or had quite a number of planned purchases.

  6. I reckon Joystiq needs some reading comprehension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no "stunt" to this. It says right in their notice that the site is ending in its "current form" and that it will eventually return. Which contrasts with Joystiq's sensationalist headline that GOG "shuts down" (also Slashdot's).

    What CD Projekt actually said in the forum was that posting the notice on the current site (which IS closed and isn't just going to be reactivated) was part of a process to raise awareness of the new site that will take its place, which is pretty plain from the notice that they posted, had anyone bothered to actually read it.

    Marketing yes, stunt no. This isn't Death (and Return) of Superman. They said right up front what was going to happen. Just because people glossed over the text and rushed to print a headline, well, that kind of makes the editors at Joystiq (and Slashdot) out to look like tools. Don't try to shift blame to CD Projekt for this.

  7. Re:GOG was great, but Steam is easier by chris411 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having purchased games from both GOG and Steam, I'd pick GOG over Steam any day. I'd argue that Steam made it more complicated, if only because they force you to install and use a client. And then it forces me to download the game again if I choose to uninstall it from my HD. GOG was a simple download and install, always. I never had to download the game again after uninstalling it, I could just burn it to DVD as is, or move it to another HD.

  8. Re:Good by chris411 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a blatant lie.

    They offered old games that worked on modern systems without tinkering. Can't get that on Piratebay. You sure can get dubious "cracks" and viruses though!

  9. You misunderstand what they do by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    The main function a publisher provides for videogames is money. Games are expensive to develop. Game studios cannot always assume that financial risk. Remember that if you self develop you have to pay everyone's salaries, all the costs, while it is being developed. If it flops, you are SOL. So publishers are companies that put up the money. That is their primary function. You sell them a game idea they like, they put up the costs of developing it.

    Along those lines, they function as the business side of things. A bunch of programmers might not make for the best business team. The most classic example is Duke Nukem Forever. 3DRealm had lots of money from the original Duke title so they could self publish, if they wanted to, and elected to do so. However that meant nobody was minding after them to release it. So they faffed about and delayed things and so on. Eventually it became a joke, a lot of wasted money, and ultimately their demise. In a situation with a separate publisher they could have said "No, the game is looking good as it is. You go in to crunch mode, and we ship in 9 months." Might not have been The Best Game Evar(tm) had that happened but it would have been a game, not a perpetually half-finished project.

    Publishers also do marketing and distribution. If you think that is easy or unnecessary then that only exposes your ignorance of the situation. Stores are still where most sales happen (ask Stardock, they publish, develop, and sell online, they'll tell you stores still outsell online 3-4:1). Publishers make sure people know the game is coming out, negotiate with stores for shelf space and release dates, and so on.

    In fact, because of the distribution, even some self funded shops use publishers. Valve funds their own development, but uses a publisher for physical distribution (Activision I think).

    Also none of this is relevant to the older games being talked about. Even if you think they shouldn't have been paid for by a publisher, they were, meaning the publisher owns the rights and sets the rules.

  10. It would seem it's some kind of publicity stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The official statement from the owners of GOG.com (CD Projekt) is:
    "Attention! We scheduled a press conference on 22nd of September, early evening. Information about this event should be soon available at GOG.com (please, don't spread panic after reading what will be posted there:). Please keep in mind, that it's going to be an on-line conference and it's going to be a very first time for us to try such thing:).

    We basically closed all our schedules and we are going to send information about this event on Monday or Tuesday.

    MK
    CDP"

    It was suggested on a forum connected to the company, that this is some kind of mislead publicity stunt... Well we'll see on 22nd.

  11. yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the cool thing is, this doesn't affect their customers' ability to play games in any way.

    If Steam shut down, though...

  12. Re:Too bad but not that surprising by c0d3g33k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think they provided enough of a value-add above and beyond the (IMHO very good) value they offered on the games. For example, DRM-free was great, and the price was right, but they didn't really play up the fact that purchasing through them rather than torrenting provided a *legal* copy to the purchaser. It may seem a rather trivial thing, but these days in which everyone is presumed to be an illegal downloader and the 'rightsholder police' can threaten lawsuits on a whim, the ability to produce valid proof of ownership is powerful. "Why, no, I did not pirate that game - in fact, here is a copy of my proof of purchase certificate (digitally signed and verifiable as authentic by downloading GoG's public verification key). As you can see, your honor, I have the right to possess a copy of the game. The plaintiff has no case." I tried a few times on the forums to advocate that they provide some sort of distinct proof of purchase, whether a signed 'digital receipt' of some sort, or even a nicely formatted pdf document that provided proof of ownership, but nobody was interested.

    Other areas they might have explored: tangible media (for an extra fee) and gifting (with on-demand shipping of hard copies ready for wrapping). The former would be great for those that want a disk for backup/security purposes, or nice graphics and a case. The latter would be useful for giving 'Cousin Bob who loved Psychonauts but can't play his copy on the new PC' a cool gift for christmas that you could wrap up and put under the tree. GoG did gift certificates or somesuch thing, as I recall, but that is just no substitute for something that can be unwrapped and admired. Maybe the answer is to partner with someone like Amazon who has the infrastructure to target a broad audience and could properly sell the DRM-free message, as well as produce and ship tangible media at reasonable cost for those that want to purchase gifts.

    All in all, DRM-free at a low price alone wasn't enough.

  13. Re:Good by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative

    They were profiting by selling games which rightfully belong to the public domain.

    The geek's sense of entitlement can be wonderful to behold.

    Syberia 2 is six years old.

    Many games in the Gog.com catalog were less than ten years old, less than fifteen years old.

    iD open sources aging game engines. It does not open source IP that remains commercially viable and makes their games and corporate identity unique.

     

  14. Re:GOG was great, but Steam is easier by Torodung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It wasn't racism, but it is prejudice.

    He admits to never having used steam and yet declares he will never use it.

    Used, dude, not seen.

    We could equally ask why most have a prejudice against dying, never having "tried it?" Of course, people generally come to that conclusion because they've witnessed it and/or heard anecdotes about it. Fact is, direct experience and/or experimentation is often a bad way to form an opinion.

    Or we could try heroin together, just to be sure, right? ;^)

    What the GP expressed is called a "preference," as in, "I will never try sushi because I am afraid of the potential bacteria/contamination issues." A sushi fan can reassure the person of the hygienic nature of the food to no end, but the person has a reasoned aversion based on fact (uncooked food can carry food-borne illness) which is, in the view of a sushi fan, unreasonable.

    Such a fan has a prejudice against facts, however, because he's conflating facts with opinion. In the GP's Steam case, "I don't like the idea of needing a network connection to acquire games," is enough. It is factual, as Steam requires it. "My catalog could be cut off arbitrarily with no remedy" passes muster, too, as it is a part of the user agreement.

    These are facts.

    It is your opinion that it is unreasonable to believe that these facts will come to any great losses, and you are likely to be correct, but that is not a fact, it is merely presumption.

    Prejudice happens when it is a known fact that what the person believes is utterly untrue or distorted, and they don't realize it because they are unwilling to find out, or even believe accounts refuting their prejudice. I really doubt, after all these years of Steam being around, that anyone is stalking the net badmouthing Steam having never seen or understood it.

    Give me a break. The GP has a preference for an alternate means of game purchase. Those options exist and he's willing to pay more for it, and that's the end of it. It isn't remotely prejudice, just because you disagree.

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  15. Re:GOG was great, but Steam is easier by datajack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, one day in the hypothetical future Valve's servers could disappear, leaving you unable to play your games any more. This is no different from non-DRM-encumbered games you own on physical media, which could stop working at any time due to loss of or damage to the CDs.

    Wrong. there is one big difference.
    It['s a thing that is becoming more and more fashionable to ignore and pretend doesn't exist. It's called responsibility.

    Looking after my copies of my games bought from GOG is my responsibility. I have all the tools at hand to protect against any loss of data. If one copy is lost or damaged, I have a backup copy (which I can then use to make another copy just in case I have another accident). If something happens to that data, it's my fault and my problem.

    If Steam (or whatever other service) goes away or is taken away, it's someone else's fault but my problem.

  16. Out of Beta by Sumbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like others have already said, this is most likely a marketing stunt for getting out of beta. Yes, they have been in beta for the last 2 years and like the message in the site says, "we've decided that GOG.com simply cannot remain in its current form". At no point do they really say that GoG is gone. They mention change and that you will be able to re-download the games you have bought. They also had a promo running and this "announcement" happened on Sunday, which would be highly unlikely if this was a real site closing situation. A real closing announcement wouldn't come suddenly out of the blue without any previous indications of internal or external problems that caused it, nor would they do it on Sunday when most of the workers (and boss staff) are not working.